Why do people follow WWE logic all the time?

[Brothervis]

When people call Bryan a "heel" i think hells bells his ex crazy gf(kayfabe) is making his life miserable which sounds like a heel move. If she is a face I guess johnny ace was a babyface as well he only made Punk's life miserable.Cena who is = to the rock minus having the balls to change his character acts like everyone is beneath him yet he's a role model . Difference between back in the day and now is a rivalry you would have Cena vs Orton feud but neither switch where The Rock face triple hhh as a face with triple hhh as a heel and the rock as a heel vs HHH who was a face. Kept things interesting plus the logic made sense for the most part.

 

[Stormtrooper]

Maybe we think Daniel Bryan is a heel because he is constantly badmouthing the WWE Universe and disrespecting them, screaming in their face and telling them they are not as good as him.

AJ is a face because she is pandering to the WWE Universe, doing things that they like, which is making the bad guy angry.

Johnny Ace was a heel because he made a good guys life miserable. Punk was a good guy at the time, so making his life miserable makes Johnny Ace a heel.


It's not rocket science. Good guys get cheered, bad guys get booed.Good guys are put in good guy situations, and bad guys are put in bad guy situations. That's called logic, not WWE logic.

 

[Foshinzo]

When people call Bryan a "heel" i think hells bells his ex crazy gf(kayfabe) is making his life miserable which sounds like a heel move. If she is a face I guess johnny ace was a babyface as well he only made Punk's life miserable.Cena who is = to the rock minus having the balls to change his character acts like everyone is beneath him yet he's a role model . Difference between back in the day and now is a rivalry you would have Cena vs Orton feud but neither switch where The Rock face triple hhh as a face with triple hhh as a heel and the rock as a heel vs HHH who was a face. Kept things interesting plus the logic made sense for the most part.

I'm not entirely certain what you're trying to say.
Are you saying that it's dumb to call Daniel Bryan a heel and AJ a face? I would say it fits the situation well. Daniel Bryan talks smack to all of the fans and complains about not getting his due respect, and AJ picks on him to the amusement of the audience. Also, AJ is clearly on the same side as John Cena and other faces. With the way the WWE views heels and faces, it's okay to act like a heel, so long as it's against the natural heels. Johnny Ace was clearly a heel because he tormented the full-on babyfaces.

As for the rest of your message, I'm really not sure what you're saying. Are you saying that babyfaces and heels should switch during feuds?

You can say a babyface Cena v heel Orton feud is boring because it doesn't switch, but it wouldn't make sense to just flip Cena heel for no reason. Also, Orton is better as a heel. You can't just completely flip people's alignment for no reason. People lose track of their character and the performers lose their identity. That's why they have runs with one particular personality. You're trying to make characters that would act like regular people; normal, psychologically healthy people don't just completely change their personality for no reason. I get that some characters have run their course and should probably change it up some, but you shouldn't just flip people in a feud for no reason.

The question I was expecting to respond to was your title, "Why do people follow WWE logic all the time?"

Are you questioning why we follow the logic of the show?
We follow the logic of the show because we're following the show. It has to make sense, if you're telling a story. If it stops making sense, it will cease to be interesting. Nobody wants to torment themselves with some jumbled mess.

Think of it like the Harry Potter series of books. Every character has a set of traits that defines who they are, and they're probably not going to really do anything outside of that. However, say in one of these books, Professor Snape does something completely out of his character, such as he did at the end of the fifth book, I think. You have to make sure there is a logical choice behind that action, otherwise you're just doing things and the writing falls apart. It's just bad storytelling.

When the Rock turned heel and sided with Vince McMahon in 98, the follow-up made so much sense. It was something that the character would do and it furthered the story. When Bret Hart and Stone Cold pulled the double turn at WrestleMania 13, it was a masterpiece. It was something that both characters would do and therefore furthered the characters.

I hope I'm being clear enough, God knows I've said enough. I sincerely hope that answers any questions you may have had.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I'm not really sure what your point is exactly. If you look for 100% rock hard logic in pro wrestling, then I don't know why you're watching it.

Why do we think of Daniel Bryan as a heel rather than AJ? Well, Daniel Bryan "badmouths" the fans for one thing. When you insult fans, you're going to get booed. That's logical really. It's dirt simple logic. Bryan developed a massive ego after becoming World Heavyweight Champion. When you have a massive ego that isn't kept in check, then it's perfectly easy & natural for people to dislike you. Bryan also mistreated his petite, pretty young girlfriend throughout the course of their "relationship", even going so far as to blame her for costing him the World Heavyweight Championship.

Why don't people see AJ as a heel right now? Well, for one thing, she panders to WWE fans like most babyfaces do. She's "crazy", but people blame that on the way Daniel Bryan mistreated her through their relationship. Not entirely accurate, but it works because people want to boo Bryan for his behavior. Also, AJ frequently "picks on" the heels by putting them in matches or situations that they don't want to be involved in.

Big Johnny was a heel because he made things tough for babyface characters, like John Cena. His decisions as GM were blatantly biased against babyfaces, like John Cena, and he went out of his way to sometimes insult them and to insult the fans all while trying to portray himself as a benevolent person. Big Johnny's "good guy act" was completely transparent and that was the point.

Again, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

 

[Brothervis]

WWE saw his catchphrase was catching fire and remember the night when Cena said Daniel Bryan you owe me one(very arrogant of a "babyface") Bet Cena used his pull to keep Bryan as a Heel as he doesn't need another independent made name to top him as top reaction in the company(CM Punk). My point was the WWE tells people what to like and people accept it. That makes sense to some people I guess? AJ got Jericho fired I guess that was a "babyface" move by her unless she "hires him back" to tie up the "storyline".

 

[The Dragon Saga]

WWE saw his catchphrase was catching fire and remember the night when Cena said Daniel Bryan you owe me one(very arrogant of a "babyface") Bet Cena used his pull to keep Bryan as a Heel as he doesn't need another independent made name to top him as top reaction in the company(CM Punk). My point was the WWE tells people what to like and people accept it. That makes sense to some people I guess? AJ got Jericho fired I guess that was a "babyface" move by her unless she "hires him back" to tie up the "storyline".

Or they went the even more intelligent route which is to incite the fans into cheering it even more. Much like children, you tell a wrestling fan not to do something and nine times out of ten, they'll do it and do it to an even greater extent than before. Bryan's character went from someone who embraced the "Yes!" chants, which probably would have dwindled, as Bryan is a much more interesting heel than a face, who is now irritated by them and has a new chant, which makes the fans chant the original to an even greater extent as it drives the heel Bryan crazy.

AJ didn't get Jericho fired either, she made a rematch between him and Ziggler, each man had something on the line. One had a contract for a future World Heavyweight title match, the other had his professional contract; what else was Jericho going to put on the line, his bright light jacket? Plus why place inverted commas on the word storyline? It is a storyline.

 

[RD_21]

I'm not really sure what your point is exactly. If you look for 100% rock hard logic in pro wrestling, then I don't know why you're watching it.

Why do we think of Daniel Bryan as a heel rather than AJ? Well, Daniel Bryan "badmouths" the fans for one thing. When you insult fans, you're going to get booed. That's logical really. It's dirt simple logic. Bryan developed a massive ego after becoming World Heavyweight Champion. When you have a massive ego that isn't kept in check, then it's perfectly easy & natural for people to dislike you. Bryan also mistreated his petite, pretty young girlfriend throughout the course of their "relationship", even going so far as to blame her for costing him the World Heavyweight Championship.

Why don't people see AJ as a heel right now? Well, for one thing, she panders to WWE fans like most babyfaces do. She's "crazy", but people blame that on the way Daniel Bryan mistreated her through their relationship. Not entirely accurate, but it works because people want to boo Bryan for his behavior. Also, AJ frequently "picks on" the heels by putting them in matches or situations that they don't want to be involved in.

Big Johnny was a heel because he made things tough for babyface characters, like John Cena. His decisions as GM were blatantly biased against babyfaces, like John Cena, and he went out of his way to sometimes insult them and to insult the fans all while trying to portray himself as a benevolent person. Big Johnny's "good guy act" was completely transparent and that was the point.

Again, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

Maybe he didn't use the best example but I can see where he's coming from.

Take Punk "heel" turn. When Cena decked The Rock with an AA last year we didn't got any "Cena turned his back on the Universe and his a heel", it was just a case of Cena attacking The Rock and vice versa.

But when Punk does it he should become a heel.

I also understand what he meant about Bryan and AJ to an extent. Take the badmouthing of the fans out and Bryan is the victim in the whole thing now to a certain point.

I guess he's just mad that some people will follow the course that the WWE want us to follow instead of thinking by their own. I'm not 100% sure of what he meant, but I see where he could start to have a point.

 

[The mind]

I'll keep it simple.

Daniel Bryan is a heel because he won the World title, and got a big ego. He used AJ Lee, and even the Big Show. The fans see the attitude change, and begin to boo. AJ Lee simply stood up to him, and never did anything heelish.

As for the rest, I'm confused on what point you were trying to make. Maybe this term will help: Defacto Heel. Cena is becoming a Defacto Heel because the WWE used him too much, and outside of his 12 year old child fan base, no one likes him. Same thing happened to the Rock, he became a defacto heel when despite being pushed as a good guy, the fans turned on him, and favored the heelish Triple H.

Hopefully that clears things up for you. If it doesn't, just think of it this way. Cheer for who you want to. if you personally want to cheer for the heel, cheer for the heel. If you want to cheer for the good guy, cheer for the good guy. And enjoy the show.

 

[♠Spades â™]

Honestly, it seems like you're looking for a problem to start and for people to agree with you. Fact of the matter is, everything in wrestling and the world works on the basis of good vs evil. AJ is face that panders to the fans and gives them what they want, the fans want Bryan miserable because he's a prick and douche to them.(good vs evil)
Same thing goes for Johnny and Punk, Johnny was undoubtedly a heel and Punk the obvious face. If your point is something else, let me know because the logic you speak of at the moment is quite flawed.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

Not everything is Hogan turns on WCW at BATB therefore he is a heel now. You have to look at a superstars complete body of recent work to make the determination that said superstar is a heel or face. Granted a couple of recent faceturns (Kane and Jericho) seemed out of the blue but all of the heels in the WWE (including Bryan and Punk) are clearly heels. Bryan for one was an abusive ex-boyfriend who tried to take advantage of AJ by proposing.

The OP talks about logic, but I can barely follow what he is trying to say. It just seems like another way to mask Cena-hate. Remember, WWE just wants your money. Punk, Bryan and Cena want WWE's money.

When did Cena give Rock the AA pre-WM? I missed that.

 

[Swarles Barkley]

When Cena decked The Rock with an AA last year we didn't got any "Cena turned his back on the Universe and his a heel", it was just a case of Cena attacking The Rock and vice versa.

When did The Rock attack CM Punk? He didn't and Rock never ran down Punk like he did Cena prior to Cena getting some physical revenge.

But when Punk attacked Rock, it was different. Rock came down to help Cena, who was being beaten down by Big Show, and Punk had left the ring -- a very important point -- and only returned to deck The Rock. When Cena nailed Rock with the AA, those guys were at the beginning of their year-long feud. There is no feud right now between Punk and Rock. Their interaction earlier in the show was not the type of stuff that would require the type of response Punk gave Rock when he attacked him. Punk's actions were the actions of a heel.

As far as the overall point made at the start of the thread, it's not WWE logic, just simple logic. Bryan runs down fans and that is why he is a heel. They could have turned him face when AJ became GM, but they didn't. The fans chanting "YES! YES! YES!" and Bryan screaming "NO! NO! NO!" back at them is no different than Kurt Angle's "YOU SUCK!" chants. Angle said he didn't suck, the fans chanted the opposite. It's simple wrestling logic. Like someone said up top, tell the audience what not to do and they will do it. A heel says he hates a chant, they chant it more. What's happening with Bryan is no different than what has happened countless times in the history of professional wrestling.

 

[Brothervis]

So you prove my point the fans are sheep. The ones who complained about how Punk was booked was always a storyline like him mention heyman and lesnar last year. Do you really think vince would allow Punk to name drop guys for kicks.Not looking to "start something". I just don't get why i'm getting ripped when everyone on this forums bitches about who should and shouldn't get pushed. It's simple whoever gets a reaction are the ones getting a pushed

 

[CuddleBuns84]

Well, this is why logic is important. See, you have to have a reason to fight someone. You have to have a reason to become a heel, or to be a face. For CM Punk, him being a heel had "Logic". The whole, I'm the world champion, and I'm the 2nd or 3rd match on the PPV. Gives a good reason to be a heel.

Now, sorry for the rewind. But, Survivor Series 2011. Rock and Cena vs. Miz and Truth. What threat did Miz and Truth give the Rock? What did Rock gain from teaming with Cena? Now, the logic behind that, cost WWE big time. Their sales for that PPV was down.

Another form of logic. Why not Jericho leave at SummerSlam? Why have Jericho get fired the next night on Raw? Zigler would of won the World Title, then Jericho could of came back and stated "You couldn't beat me, prove yourself!" A perfect return for Jericho, and better send off into the sunset for him.

Granted, Pro Wrestling logic doesn't have to be a hundred percent. I mean, it is pro wrestling. But you have to the right logic to give people a reason to fight. HHH vs. Orton for WM25. Was Triple H breaking into Orton's house a realistic thing? No, but was the build-up amazing? Oh yea, you had a reason for those two fighting. Did the match live up to the hype? Oh no, but their was a reason for the fight.

 

[Headman]

When people call Bryan a "heel" i think hells bells his ex crazy gf(kayfabe) is making his life miserable which sounds like a heel move. If she is a face I guess johnny ace was a babyface as well he only made Punk's life miserable.Cena who is = to the rock minus having the balls to change his character acts like everyone is beneath him yet he's a role model . Difference between back in the day and now is a rivalry you would have Cena vs Orton feud but neither switch where The Rock face triple hhh as a face with triple hhh as a heel and the rock as a heel vs HHH who was a face. Kept things interesting plus the logic made sense for the most part.

This has to be the most poorly written paragraph I've ever read. This is why drinking and posting is a bad idea. The comment about Cena being the Rock minus "Balls" sort of caught my attention. How does Cena act as if others are beneath him? And how did the Rock ever change his character? Once he became the Rock he was the same. Face or heel he was always saying the same things. And since when is the late 90's "Back in the day"? If you're looking for logical booking you should never point to the attitude era because storywise nothing made sense.

 

[Brothervis]

The Rock had attitude he was a jock and no matter what he said people cheered him.When fans booed him they were tired of the same act(John Cena) so he became a heel and used fans booing for his heel turn. The whole CM Punk turn felt so force.Cena saying that he whines sounds lame. Cena saying Punk you can't beat me wihout some luck would be better for the feud. I guess i'm the only who sees the lack of emotion in this feud maybe because lawler has too much involvement. PS. People who are bronies really shouldn't be such a wise ass.

 

[Final Form Snyper.]

I'm not even sure what the OP is getting at. It's not even a joke. Do we really need to explain something that should pretty much be known from the start?

A good guy is someone who will often find himself fighting the odds or someone that the fans can relate to or someone they think are doing right by them. A bad person is someone who is likely to mock, be underhanded or disrepect the fans, other wrestlers or the business as a whole. So in the case of Daniel Bryan who is loud obnoxious and egotistical and someone like CM Punk that is self righteous and egotistical for being the self proclaimed "Best in the world". On the other side of the coin you have AJ who is reasonably innocent, while a little crazy that caters to what the fans what to see so naturally the fans will always grow to like her because they view her as a nice person and John Cena who has always been down with the fans. Gives them their respect and always fights with everything he has. The nice guy that always seems to fight against the odds (to most fans).

 

[Brothervis]

"A good guy is someone who will often find himself fighting the odds or someone that the fans can relate to or someone they think are doing right by them." yeah Punk is fighting against the odds and doing right thing for fans who grew up in the 90's where fans decided who was face/heel. I can relate to him because he is human where Cena is built to do no wrong. Instead of changing his character like Punk and Bryan have done in the last 2 years he's so lazy he says "rise above the hate" when all he needs to be is himself. Can't tell me you would enjoy people telling you suck but you have to put a fake smile on anyway.If Randy Orton is tired of his old theme song(which he used for 4 years) just imagine how Cena really feels about this character. He only does it because him and Vince think it will make them the most money. All i'm saying is you wouldn't know NAO were heels with them saying "next tag team champions of the world" with the fans saying it with them. They didn't tell the fans to shut up because other people were even more over then the NAO were. If Bryan doesn't yell at the fans people would cheer him it's called cheap heat which works. AJ imo got even with Bryan embarassing him at the wedding.She calls bryan crazy meanwhile she asked 3 men to marry her in one night. Got RTruth talking to a invisible child but he's mentally stable because he's a face. One can only assume Cena is in a relationship or why else did she get a mega push considering people on this forum say divas don't sell. Since i don't know any better can someone explain why people booed Rocky maivia when he was being a babyface sort of like people boo Cena. The only difference is one person changed it up while the other guy refuses to tweak the character. Cena got charisma but he wastes it by catering to the children. The rock got booed in 02 for that and "selling out". Came back as a arrogant heel.

 

[Brothervis]

I got sympathy for Bryan who keeps getting screwed since WM it's true YES YES YES. Do others have sympathy NO NO NO NO because AJ and Cena are supposedly moe over which is why Punk and Bryan are relegated to being coward heels cause God forbid you had cool heels in the biz

 

[George Steele's Barber]

I got sympathy for Bryan who keeps getting screwed since WM it's true YES YES YES. Do others have sympathy NO NO NO NO because AJ and Cena are supposedly moe over which is why Punk and Bryan are relegated to being coward heels cause God forbid you had cool heels in the biz

So you are sympathetic to the abusive ex-boyfriend who tried to manipulate his unstable ex-girlfriend in to giving him the WWE Title? I don't follow your logic, did AJ deserve his abuse?

If you like guys like Bryan and Punk I suggest you "Boo" and "No!" them to death so Vince thinks they are actually good at doing their jobs - getting the appropriate reaction from the fans.

In today's WWE cool heels become less cool faces because of people like you Tsmarks) who think they control the show and should determine who gets what spot. Vince and HHH know what their doing and what they are doing is not meant to please you, maybe you have just reached a point in life where you should find something else to entertain you.

 

[DetectiveZelix]

So if WE SMARKS hadnt booed Rocky Maivia as much, he would have NEVER become the Main Eventing Rock that we come to know and love now globally known and loved. All started when WE, the SMARKY fans decided Death to him. Like we are doing to Cena, but apparently failing

 

[George Steele's Barber]

So if WE SMARKS hadnt booed Rocky Maivia as much, he would have NEVER become the Main Eventing Rock that we come to know and love now globally known and loved. All started when WE, the SMARKY fans decided Death to him. Like we are doing to Cena, but apparently failing

Different guy and more importantly way different time. What the fans did for Rocky to push him heel and Austin to push him face were organic. What happens today is that every jackass with an internet connection adopts some guy as their own and wants that guy to be #1. It leads to awful Zack Ryder pushes and a lame Punk. Punk can not be entertaining as a heel without being a supposed real-life dick (Brock Lesnar) or kayfabe lunatic (Daniel Bryan). In other words, he can't be what we appreciated pre-shoot.

 

[theBec2101]

I have to go with he is confrontational with the fans. Dint get me wrong he is funny, but that doesn’t make him not a heel. Not everybody is going to be Undertaker and HHH heel. Its more of a Kurt Angle heel. He was funny when he was heel.

 

[Brothervis]

During the attitude era it seemed like everyone had catchphrases which help characters get over where now if someone wants to get over they have to pass the cena test

 

[Ashw825]

Everyone has an opinion. People constantly try and compare the differences between heels and faces when really, there not that different at all. Simply, if Del Rio would have done what Sheamus did at Summerslam, he would have been looked at by everyone in the WWE as the heel for doing because that is a heelish tactic. When Sheamus does it, it is ok because he is a face and when faces do it, the WWE show it in a way that makes Sheamus still look strong. It's weird logic, but its a show, when a good guy does a bad thing, he is looked at by the viewer in there own way, the show though, will make that person look good or bad whilst doing it to tell you how they want you to view the character

 

[Kodo Sawaki]

When people call Bryan a "heel" i think hells bells his ex crazy gf(kayfabe) is making his life miserable which sounds like a heel move. If she is a face I guess johnny ace was a babyface as well he only made Punk's life miserable.Cena who is = to the rock minus having the balls to change his character acts like everyone is beneath him yet he's a role model . Difference between back in the day and now is a rivalry you would have Cena vs Orton feud but neither switch where The Rock face triple hhh as a face with triple hhh as a heel and the rock as a heel vs HHH who was a face. Kept things interesting plus the logic made sense for the most part.

Because storyline wise their logic is good 99% of the time. I am not talking about ridiculous staff like Mark Henry, Mae Young and the Hand but characters in general...

- Bryan is a cowardly heel that in every way possible wants to take advantage of the situation

- AJ is crazy but even as that(and the revenge on Bryan) she is the face GM because she makes heel characters pay for their actions and good characters profit in the way.

- Johny Ace was one of the best heels lately because he maked babyfaces(Cena, Sheamus, Punk at that time) life miserable and he was very good at bringing the heat.

- Cena is a face that makes heel guys miserable and that makes people cheer for him(most of the time when they dont hate his guts in his "Superman" gimmick )

So, you see, WWE logic is good. There is almost destinct line between faces and heels and changes are very rare and they are very visible on the characters(like when Punk turn heel on RAW1000).