Why are they not building up number one contenders?

[Navi]

A thread was made earlier asking "Who would dethrone Seth Rollins?" and it got me thinking. There is no one. The WWE has spent zero time building up anyone to go up against the WHC Champion.

It's hard to believe with the roster they have, not one person can stand there and say "I have shown that I'm worthy of taking that title off Seth and carrying it."

Lets look at the challengers so to speak. Roman Reigns was the who was pushed to the moon last year. He also had one of the worse falls I've seen in a long time when the fans turned on him. So much so the main event at Mania was changed either on the day of the show, or the day before, depending on who you believe. He has been struggling for the last 7 months to get the fans back on his side, and still gets booed in some markets. I can't see them putting the title on him anytime soon. All the good work they've done will have gone to waste.

Dean Ambrose has hovered around the main event scene all year. He has also lost every feud he's been in so far. He's still one of the most over guys on the roster, but his win/lose record is in the crapper, and while he's good in the ring, he's not believable right now as WHC.

I thought they might have gone with Rusev. After riding into Mania in a tank I mean shit where do you go from there. Well you meet Summer Rae, get put into one of the worst story lines ever, and now you are in a 6 man tag team on a B PPV.

Orton and Bryan are out on the injured list, and that leaves pretty much Cena. Where is Cena? Well he's on hiatus for the next couple of months. Leaving Rollins to feud with of all people Kane. Kane maineventing a PPV in 2015. Makes my head hurt that that's the best they could come up with.

So let's say Rollins wins, and Kane goes away for a week or so, cause we all know he'll be back. Who's next for Rollins? Not Sheamus with the MITB, who again has done nothing for most of the last few months, and now seems to be Barrett's tag team partner.

It's almost unheard of that they have no one waiting in the wings to take this title. I thought it was bad last year when Lesnar had it and spent most of the year with it on his ranch. But you know what this is worse. At least last year there were contenders, this year no one.

 

[BillAlfonsos_Whistle]

Simple laziness.
They have enough part timers and roster mainstays, no matter how stale many of them are, that they feel comfortable having them headline the big cards still. It's really gross but the only newer wrestlers it seems they truly want to feature are Rollins/Reigns/Wyatt in that order.

 

[MartialHorror]

There just isn't any long term planning and WWE seems to be constantly changing its plans. For example, remember when Ryback technically defeated Rusev earlier this year, before Cena was the first to completely defeat him? It seemed like they were setting up a feud. but then nothing came of it. That- combined with an embarrassing Royal Rumble elimination- made Rusev not look quite as strong going into the Cena program. Meanwhile, Ryback went...nowhere, so nobody benefited from it.

Bray ended up beating Ryback months later, which lead to Ryback contended for the Intercontinental Championship. Meanwhile, Bray arguably went nowhere, as there haven't been any stakes for his Roman Reigns feud.

Or more recently, Ziggler defeated Rusev, reducing Rusev's credibility. But are they doing anything with Ziggler right now? It has been speculated he might be the challenger for HiaC, but I doubt they will planning that far ahead.

Of course, there's also Bad News Barrett's King of the Ring debacle. Even Sheamus as the MitB contract holder hasn't been put over as much as he probably should. Randy Orton defeated him, but does this elevate Randy? Nope, he stays where he is and Sheamus gets no momentum.

 

[OYDK]

Yeah, honestly the last person that Seth has left to go through is Roman Reigns and I really feel like they're trying to hold off on that so it's a viable option for Mania. But as of right now, like it or nor, there IS a number one contender, and it's Kane. I mean, we can complain about this feud all we want, WWE has been building to this for months now... it's just ridiculous that they've handled the actual feud so horribly. Really, who's left for Seth? He's faced Orton, Sting, Cena, Ambrose, Brock Lesnar, and now Kane. Who's left for them to build up as a new contender? Do you want to see Ryback vs Rollins? Ziggler/Rollins?

We're at a point now where WWE is going to be laboring to keep Seth's title reign fresh until Mania. I guess they could tease the Sheamus thing for a while, but who knows. I think this thread was made a couple of days too early however. WWE will name and build a new number one contender when this feud with Kane is over, and than we'll decide if we hate it or not. Could be Taker honestly.

Let's just breathe and decide how angry we are about the lack of number one contender after Hell in a Cell.

 

[Just Zay'n]

I mean, we've all heard it numerous times before, and straight from the horse's mouth as well. HHH and Vince have said it many times.

"Producing 3 hours of live TV is actually very hard."

So there you have it. It's just too hard.

Edit: I've never really gotten over this feeble, sorry-ass excuse for why the main TV product blows like Hurricane Patricia...

 

[Mustang Sally]

I thought it was bad last year when Lesnar had it and spent most of the year with it on his ranch. But you know what this is worse. At least last year there were contenders, this year no one.

The 'Brock factor' could be the reason there's been no build-up of contenders. It could be WWE's intention is to stick Lesnar back in the top spot, thereby making it unnecessary to boost anyone else.

Honestly, I hope that's not the case. It surprised me that many members of this forum were thrilled to have Brock keep the world championship on ice last year by taking the belt and not letting us see it for a few months. I don't want him as world champion again......at least, not for a long time.

If the intention is not to have Brock wear the belt by the time WM32 rolls around, I'm alluding to the same thread Dark Lady refers to, in which several people choose Roman Reigns as the guy to challenge Seth Rollins. There's lots of time to install him as the #1 contender to the title and get folks excited about him challenging for the belt.

Lastly, I'm continuing my campaign to have John Cena come back from his hiatus as a mega-heel. It would be huge. It might even satisfy many of the Cena haters whose main complaint has been that the man's act has long gone stale.......this would be something different, wouldn't it?

And, it would surely place him as #1 contender to a (hopefully) good guy Seth Rollins.....and a hell of a main event for WM32.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

In my opinion, I may be entirely wrong but this is just the feeling I get, it's another example of how lazy and out of touch Vince has allowed himself to become. Right now, Raw is getting crushed in the ratings and one reason for that is that there are currently no viable, main event contenders being built up to be a real challenge to Rollins. That's not the only reason, of course, but it's one of the many contributing factors.

Another problem is Vince's constant use of the formula for making heel champs who weigh 220 pounds or less come off as looking extremely vulnerable, afraid, etc. of physical powerhouse challengers. Brock Lesnar isn't booked to look like someone's bitch. Sheamus isn't, Ryback isn't, Taker isn't so why should Rollins be just because he's not as physically large as these men? The tastes of a great many wrestling fans have most definitely changed, they're no longer impressed by the big, overly muscular powerhouses the way they were 30 years ago; they're into the smaller, more athletic, faster paced wrestlers but Vince has this insistence on booking smaller heel champions as looking weaker or not as much of a threat. A heel wrestler can look like a piece of shit scumbag without being made to look like a pansy ass coward. A heel champion can look intimidated or worried about an upcoming challenger without being made to look like a petulant, spoiled rotten 16 year old brat that's used to having everything he wants handed to him on a silver platter.

There are plenty of wrestlers who can be built up as main eventers, Vince just doesn't have that much faith in them because they're not jacked up bruisers. This then leads to the problem of most fans not being all that interested in most of the jacked up bruisers, hence Vince paints himself into a corner rather than accepting the fact that times have changed and he isn't changing with them.

 

[UFOcalling]

Agreed, 100%. The last few challengers to Seth's title were Sting (at NoC), Cena (at SummerSlam), & Brock (at Battleground). The only one of those three that had a legitimate claim to number one contender's status was Brock, since he was due a rematch from WM31. Then we've got "Demon" Kane vying for the title tonight at HIAC.

Looking at the way Cena, Sting & Kane all got their opportunities at the WHC, it doesn't make a lot of sense. I guess Cena made the most sense out of those three, because Seth wanted the US Title (technically it was a "winner take all" match, so there was a chance Cena was leaving with both straps as well). Neither Sting, Kane or Cena really did anything storyline-wise to deserve a shot at Seth's WHC. Were there any number one contender matches won by any of those guys? I know there wasn't any sort of tournament, or other gimmick match like that.

That's one thing I think TNA & NXT has going for them right now, over the WWE's main roster. They actually use wrestling matches to crown a number one contender. TNA is doing a big tournament right now (even though the reason the tournament came about was kind of stupid, at least the tournament is cool IMO), and NXT most recently had a battle royal to determine the next contender for the NXT title. Why were Sting & Kane put in that position? Because they're "legends"? With that logic, HHH could challenge for the strap at any given time. Kevin Nash could come back and challenge for it. Flair, Shawn Michaels, The Rock, etc. Granted, it would be great to see Rollins fight more of these Legends; it just doesn't make a lot of sense for these guys to come in and demand (kayfabe-wise) a match against Seth for seemingly no reason (and ultimately have the match without actually "earning" it).

I'd like to see a tournament, or something like that to determine a number one contender for the WHC at Survivor Series. We all know that Kane's chances of beating Seth for the title are slim to non-existent, so we probably won't see Kane vs. Rollins "part two" at SS; there will most likely be a new challenger for the belt. If Seth is put in some sort of traditional Survivor Series match instead, then we'll at least see a new number one contender by December for the TLC PPV.

I'm sick of seeing guys inserted into the main event picture, even if they are considered "Legends". Sting and/or Kane could have at least won some sort of gimmick match(es) to get into that spot, and hopefully WWE Creative will do something like that to determine Seth's next opponent(s).

I really hope the Reigns/Wyatt feud ends tonight at HIAC. Not only does that free up Bray & his crew, but it frees up Ambrose as well. I don't think they'll put Reigns in a number one contender's spot this early, since they probably want his first title win to happen at a Wrestlemania event. Both Ambrose and Wyatt would be great choices to fight Seth at Survivor Series and/or TLC, but who knows what they have planned? Personally, I'd love to see Cesaro get a chance at Rollins. Cesaro would be completely believable, if they had him win a tournament or something. They'd have about a month to make him look more credible leading up to a potential match with Rollins (since they've had him lose almost every match he's been in for a while now), even though I'm sure he'd ultimately lose to Seth. We all know Cesaro probably isn't moving up the card anytime in the immediate future, but a man can dream.

 

[Savior of Silence]

It's lazy booking and and everybody not named John Cena having a .500 record. Somebody in Connecticut needs to put their goddamn foot down and tell Vince like it is instead of being a "douchebag yes man" as CM Punk once put it.

And then when they DO try to push somebody, they basically push them down your throat until you're sick of seeing them (Roman Reigns 2014 - 2015). Meanwhile, they have Cesaro - who is super over with the crowd - doing absolutely nothing, Bray Wyatt putting over their golden goose, and the most over superstar on the current roster - Daniel Bryan - just sitting at home.

The single greatest thing that they've done to help elevate younger stars is the US Title Open with John Cena since Wrestlemania. Outside of that? Business as usual. I haven't even watched the show in the last 3 weeks because I work a lot of hours and, as much as I love wrestling, 3 hours of a shit wrestling show is not a priority to me with my limited down time. I'd rather watch Monday Night Football.

 

[BestSportsEntertainer]

At the moment, no one is ready or worthy of dethroning Seth Rollins as WWE Champion.

Brock Lesnar rarely shows up. Randy Orton and Daniel Bryan are injured. John Cena is taking time off. Sheamus isn't relevant. Dean Ambrose and Bray Wyatt haven't won a meaningful feud. Sting, Undertaker, Triple H are part-time. Kevin Owens isn't ready. Roman Reigns got rejected.

Who else is there? WWE has yet again backed themselves into a corner.

The best option is for Rollins to keep the title until WWE can build a worthy challenger, but it doesn't appear that WWE is interested in or even knows how to do that.

Basically, I don't know who will dethrone Rollins. I have no idea. At least WWE has unpredictability going for them though not in a good way.

 

[#tamale]

Hard to say. Two thoughts come to mind:

1. Brock Lesnar and John Cena. It's just hard to buy other #1 contenders when these two guys around.

Keep in mind, Lesnar should have never lost the title. Facing Lesnar is a spectacle. Facing Lesnar for the title just adds fuel to the fire.

2. They don't want to destroy any of their younger stars.

This has left their young stars in limbo. Why not have a month long feud for Stardust against Seth Rollins? How about Neville going against Rollins? Wyatt and Reigns have created their moment, but the rest of the younger guys are just trading wins in meaningless feuds instead creating their moment.

 

[mkw1962]

I think they are not building up contenders because of Brock Lesnar, he is standing in the way of all the other stars. Keep Brock away from the World Title or just get rid of him for good and watch what can happen.
Roman is almost ready I would say next year, they should have a number one contenders tournament that would be cool. I would say right now before it is to late go with Cesaro or Dolph to feud with Seth to end the year they have the crowd behind them and it could make for great feuds, try Ryback as well. I do not know what it is but Brock just seems as though to be in the way I do not know why but he is hurting the WHC picture even when he is not in the picture if that even makes sense.

 

[Vanilla Midget]

I think they honestly are still of the belief that they can stick whoever they please in top spots and people will buy it. They're not wrong, us die hard fans will follow the product no matter what, but it's poor business. Roman is clearly the man they want, and there's no doubt as to the fact that he's improving. The only thing that makes sense with him though is a Rumble win and Mania victory. I think they're stalling for Mania.

That's what the Kane match tonight says to me, they're stalling in the world title scene. WrestleMania is still five months away, I think they want Rollins vs Regins (possibly vs Ambrose) in the main event, but what happens in the mean time?

If you build up a number one contender, he has to take his shot, and if you have no intention of putting him over, what's the point? I'm not arguing that this is a good thing, quite the contrary, I'm more trying to rationalize what WWE is thinking.

I think they realize the reality that they've created when it comes to belt counts. You have Cena destined to break Flair's record, you have Orton not far behind him. Ambrose had his "not" title Reign this summer when he beat Rollins, the match was overturned, then he "carried" the belt with him for a two week PPV cycle. It made more sense than him actually winning the belt and adding a two week reign to his title count.

Getting back on topic, I get the feeling that WWE is refusing to name an heir apparent because they're stalling. Roman challenging Rollins now makes it stale come Mania. Bringing Bryan back before the Rumble overshadows Roman.

The other elephant in the room is the Brock Lesnar vs The Undertaker rubber match. I'm willing to be McMahon doesn't know who wins as of this writing, and deciding that victor means many things. Both wrestling demi-gods need direction out of this match, and that direction will undoubtedly impact the whole product, including the world title scene.

TLDR

They're caught up in booking Lesnar/Taker and building up Roman that they've completely neglected it. Once the bell rings tonight, McMahon will be free to think up what's next. This is a symptom of laziness and faith in soap opera writers that has plagued WWE for years.

 

[Kris Benwa]

i think its because they plan on putting it back on Lesnar at some point. This whole time Brock has been the true contender. He got screwed at Mania then screwed at Battleground. Once be puts Taker away it'll be made apparent. They haven't built up any because they want you to view it as Brock's championship still. He just has not gotten a fair chance to regain it yet.

 

[MERPER]

It's hard to figure out what this company is doing right now. Ratings are down, storylines aren't being built, contenders aren't emerging.... product is stale and boring.

They just had the roster at, arguably, the healthiest it has been with a chance to build some great things and they choked it away. Daniel Bryan is out still, Orton is now out, Cena is about to take a long break, Sting is done, Lesnar only works limited dates, Undertaker is on his last legs.

Awful, just awful.

 

[Prince Vee]

A thread was made earlier asking "Who would dethrone Seth Rollins?" and it got me thinking. There is no one. The WWE has spent zero time building up anyone to go up against the WHC Champion.

It's hard to believe with the roster they have, not one person can stand there and say "I have shown that I'm worthy of taking that title off Seth and carrying it."

Lets look at the challengers so to speak. Roman Reigns was the who was pushed to the moon last year. He also had one of the worse falls I've seen in a long time when the fans turned on him. So much so the main event at Mania was changed either on the day of the show, or the day before, depending on who you believe. He has been struggling for the last 7 months to get the fans back on his side, and still gets booed in some markets. I can't see them putting the title on him anytime soon. All the good work they've done will have gone to waste.

Dean Ambrose has hovered around the main event scene all year. He has also lost every feud he's been in so far. He's still one of the most over guys on the roster, but his win/lose record is in the crapper, and while he's good in the ring, he's not believable right now as WHC.

I thought they might have gone with Rusev. After riding into Mania in a tank I mean shit where do you go from there. Well you meet Summer Rae, get put into one of the worst story lines ever, and now you are in a 6 man tag team on a B PPV.

Orton and Bryan are out on the injured list, and that leaves pretty much Cena. Where is Cena? Well he's on hiatus for the next couple of months. Leaving Rollins to feud with of all people Kane. Kane maineventing a PPV in 2015. Makes my head hurt that that's the best they could come up with.

So let's say Rollins wins, and Kane goes away for a week or so, cause we all know he'll be back. Who's next for Rollins? Not Sheamus with the MITB, who again has done nothing for most of the last few months, and now seems to be Barrett's tag team partner.

It's almost unheard of that they have no one waiting in the wings to take this title. I thought it was bad last year when Lesnar had it and spent most of the year with it on his ranch. But you know what this is worse. At least last year there were contenders, this year no one.

This certainly is a big concern isn't this? And it's not just for the World Title but also for all the titles in the WWE. I miss the old days when the superstars compete in the #1 Contender match and sometimes the dusty finish might lead to a Triple Threat match. I seriously miss it. The anticipation have reduced drastically due to this. For instance, if Neville and Dolph Ziggler fights for being the #1 Contender for the IC title, that's a wild card. We'll never know who's going to win. Regardless of whomsoever wins, the WWE Universe will be kept anticipated.

Cheers!!

 

[kadroan]

A thread was made earlier asking "Who would dethrone Seth Rollins?" and it got me thinking. There is no one. The WWE has spent zero time building up anyone to go up against the WHC Champion.

It's hard to believe with the roster they have, not one person can stand there and say "I have shown that I'm worthy of taking that title off Seth and carrying it."

Lets look at the challengers so to speak. Roman Reigns was the who was pushed to the moon last year. He also had one of the worse falls I've seen in a long time when the fans turned on him. So much so the main event at Mania was changed either on the day of the show, or the day before, depending on who you believe. He has been struggling for the last 7 months to get the fans back on his side, and still gets booed in some markets. I can't see them putting the title on him anytime soon. All the good work they've done will have gone to waste.

Dean Ambrose has hovered around the main event scene all year. He has also lost every feud he's been in so far. He's still one of the most over guys on the roster, but his win/lose record is in the crapper, and while he's good in the ring, he's not believable right now as WHC.

I thought they might have gone with Rusev. After riding into Mania in a tank I mean shit where do you go from there. Well you meet Summer Rae, get put into one of the worst story lines ever, and now you are in a 6 man tag team on a B PPV.

Orton and Bryan are out on the injured list, and that leaves pretty much Cena. Where is Cena? Well he's on hiatus for the next couple of months. Leaving Rollins to feud with of all people Kane. Kane maineventing a PPV in 2015. Makes my head hurt that that's the best they could come up with.

So let's say Rollins wins, and Kane goes away for a week or so, cause we all know he'll be back. Who's next for Rollins? Not Sheamus with the MITB, who again has done nothing for most of the last few months, and now seems to be Barrett's tag team partner.

It's almost unheard of that they have no one waiting in the wings to take this title. I thought it was bad last year when Lesnar had it and spent most of the year with it on his ranch. But you know what this is worse. At least last year there were contenders, this year no one.

Right now only legit stars I could see who got a legit case is Reigns and Brock but when you got people like Sting and Kane who can just get a title match despite not winning matches in recent memory, it makes being #1 contender irrelevant.

 

[MERPER]

Right now only legit stars I could see who got a legit case is Reigns and Brock but when you got people like Sting and Kane who can just get a title match despite not winning matches in recent memory, it makes being #1 contender irrelevant.

This is so true. Recent history, wins/losses is completely irrelevant in current WWE.

They are more or less picking guys out of a hat.

Would it shock anyone if Big Show got a crack at it next?

Hell, in another thread I even suggest Braun Strowman. I mean, in his short time in WWE, he's being built up into an absolute monster. Opponents can't even bring him down... everyone from Orton to Reigns to Ambrose. And if the Wyatt family's stable of 4 is supposed to make them some kind of dominant force, then why the hell not?

 

[FreezeIzGAWD]

I am about to become unpopular. Hey wait a minute most of y'all hate Me anyway so who cares?



Has it occurred to you guys that it's not lazy booking but because of the FANS they have no choice but to throw contenders in matches with limited to no build.

Every time they have tried giving a story as of late the FANS shyt on it completely!

Batistas return got completely destroyed. It got so Bad people made fun of his color tights and for what reason? It should have been Bryan. It should have been Punk. Well for whatever reason they gave you a story with a background and build and you ripped it?

Then a year later the same guy who y'all cheered and begged to be number one contender became number one contender.....

And you BOOED and COMPLAINED and ran him out the building......

I remember when both Ryback and Rusev debuted. I said I liked them you guys ripped them as being muscle bound losers who would be jobbers and released in a year.

Oh Ryback was a character with a STALE GIMMICK and Ryback was a Goldberg clone.

ADR made a surprise return and beat SUPER CENA, who has lost a LOT this year for a guy who is ALWAYS burying people, and y'all still complain.

He sucks. He is boring.

The funny thing is he actually got a GREAT POP from the crowd but of course y'all still hated it.

Let's be real unless it involves DB having an uninterrupted reign that breaks Bruno's record, CM Punk coming back and saying how everyone who doesn't love him a mindless sheep or some other undersized Nerd from some 5th rate organization that NO ONE but the net have heard of.....

Well then y'all are going to hate the decision and turn on the guy any way.

By the way, what happened to all the people on hear who use to love the Miz and were screaming he was the best Promo guy EVER!!!!

Maybe the reason the E doesn't do builds is because the FANS don't allow it anymore....

One love....

Feel the FREEZE!!!!

 

[BestSportsEntertainer]

I mean, we've all heard it numerous times before, and straight from the horse's mouth as well. HHH and Vince have said it many times.

"Producing 3 hours of live TV is actually very hard."

So there you have it. It's just too hard.

Edit: I've never really gotten over this feeble, sorry-ass excuse for why the main TV product blows like Hurricane Patricia...

Raw wasn't any better when it was only 2 hours.

 

[hbkhhh44]

What a confusing thread. Seth has had new contenders on a consistent basis. There's always going to be a few months that are repetitive it lackluster in a long reign. U don't want the champion to completely run through the roster.

 

[hbkhhh44]

Let me put it differently. Seth beating and feuding established main eventers is beneficial for Seth and doesn't hurt the people he beats. If someone like Neville is built up to lose to Seth it doesn't elevate Seth and it hurts Neville in the long run, he will have to wait and re establish himself before another run.

 

[chicagokmc]

What a confusing thread. Seth has had new contenders on a consistent basis. There's always going to be a few months that are repetitive it lackluster in a long reign. U don't want the champion to completely run through the roster.

The problem, as HHH pointed out during the opening last night, is that Rollins has already run through the roster. He's already beaten almost all of the relevant faces, Ambrose, Cena, Lesnar and irrelevant (for the WWE long term) ones like Sting and Kane. The other problem is that the WWE is heel heavy now and they won't book heel on heel. Other than Reigns and now possibly the returning Del Rio (who I think they'll have to face turn given the lack of active faces) I'm not sure who is next for Rollins.

I also don't think Rollins has been booked that badly. Yes, he comes across as whiny and petulant and even fearful at times, but he wins most matches cleanly now. Gone are J&J and Big Show and Kane interfering. And even when interference happens like with Cena and Lesnar, the interference wasn't booked to benefit Rollins, Jon Stewart and Undertaker had beefs with Rollin's opponents.

 

[laodaron]

This Rollins run has been excellent. He's gotten clean wins when necessary, cheap wins (or DQ losses) when necessary.

I would argue that the attention Rollins is getting to his matches, their booking, the finishes, etc. is more attention than anyone else on the roster. He's been booked brilliantly.

Reigns as number 1 right now is great, because it means that Reigns isn't going to win the Rumble or fight at Wrestlemania for the belt, so the nerds won't have a chance to riot over Reigns winning.

 

[ad556]

At the moment, no one is ready or worthy of dethroning Seth Rollins as WWE Champion.

Brock Lesnar rarely shows up. Randy Orton and Daniel Bryan are injured. John Cena is taking time off. Sheamus isn't relevant. Dean Ambrose and Bray Wyatt haven't won a meaningful feud. Sting, Undertaker, Triple H are part-time. Kevin Owens isn't ready. Roman Reigns got rejected.

Who else is there? WWE has yet again backed themselves into a corner.

The best option is for Rollins to keep the title until WWE can build a worthy challenger, but it doesn't appear that WWE is interested in or even knows how to do that.

Basically, I don't know who will dethrone Rollins. I have no idea. At least WWE has unpredictability going for them though not in a good way.

I agree mate,i yawn at WWE though, if only they thought harder to put Ambrose and Wyatt in the mix, make it a Fatal 4 Way, even yet make it a Gautlet Match, chuck in Cesaro for the taking since he has no real tv time, and is as good as majority of the rosters not excluding Rollns, Owens to, i have a feeling that Ambrose may win the Rumble and if i can dream to believe possibly Cesaro or Owens but i doubt he will drop the IC title before then, since reports of Taker leaving, i doubt that is true anymore after they advertised 25 Years Of Taker At SS(Survivor Series), i wonder what concept they will produce with that, my idea would be Kane v Taker feud, but yet again for some random reason they tag teamed in Mexico, i think that was just a selling point for ticket and merchandise sales, due to the lack of star power on the tour possibly, i know when i went to WWE live it was pretty average, Owens made an appearance i was impressed about, Amrbose and Dean was in a cage match which was pretty solid, first match i missed Balor V Neville was spewing and second was Fandage V Adam Rose, had no idea why they did that, really really silly.