Who needs to turn most on Raw?

[Inferno Prince]

Some people seem to be rooting for face/heel turns from certain stars in the WWE. We've seen Batista make his turn, but there seems to be a need for another one


Something that i've sort of wanted to see lately is a heel turn from The Game

The face HHH made a pretty big impact when it first happened, but it was basically a way to reunite DX. With the DX reunions growing stale (in my opinion anyway) is there any big reason to keep Triple H as a face?


The last time Triple H was a heel, was during the last remnants of the edgier, PG-13 RAW. With the kid-friendly shows they want now, do you think turning Triple H heel would help the show or hurt it?


Despite the idea of having to tweek the way they use his character, I think turning Triple H heel would help the show by a decent amount.

I dont mean turning him heel for another feud with Cena, unless a major incentive is thrown in. But in general, I think the storylines that could come from Triple H returning somewhat to the way he was in the Evolution era could have great benefits for himself and the WWE, as long as the writers use it well.

Now im aware that Triple H doesnt seem to have any desire to turn heel, but this is my opinion. What about you guys?

 

[dvayne]

With the recent rumor that Shawn Michaels has no plan on retiring for a few years still I wouldn't mind seeing him go heel again. He hasn't ben a full flegged heel since his early Commisioner days. It would be the most unique way to break up DX this time and could freshen up his character making him cocky again.

He could have good feuds with HHH, Cena, MVP, Morrison. It could also be a great way to bring in Danielson & Cade when they debut. He could say they're the best because they were trained by the best. Setting up a feud with a face Legacy. It could all culmulate at Wrestlemania when Morrison challenges HBK and gets a good rub win or lose

 

[Tyler44]

Honestly, this thread will turn into a "turn Cena heel thread". I'm sure most people will say Cena is the one to turn, so i will completely avoid that one.

Yes i do agree with Triple H just because he is a ridiculous heel and one of my favorite memories was him coming out every show back in 02-04 with the title. It for some reason stands out in my mine as awesome times.

I would also love to see Jericho turn back to face eventually, not now. He is doing great as a heel because i absolutely can't stand watching him (i think its just because he should put his pants back on because is one person who should not being wearing little under wears). I think in maybe like a year and a half or so just because he is great as both a heel and face, and i am curious to see which "gimmick" he would go with as a face (create a new one based on his character now or go back to Y2J and cool).

I would like to see Edge back to his old and cool ways. I can see him becoming a face anyways when he returns, but i hope he goes back to the cool Edge.

Overall, there are a bunch of turns other than those i would love to see, but i don't have much reason for the others so i don't want to waste anyone's time reading something with no explanation.

 

[RatedRPiedmont]

IMO i think raw definitely needs another major heel. Cena and Orton are done and whats the first rivalry Cena has afteR? A triple threat match with the two biggest heels. I would LOVE to see a heel HBK. I would like to see a heel HHH but here is the problem. There are 4 main eventers are Raw: Cena, HBK, Orton and HHH. If you have Cena and HBK as faces and Orton and HHH as it sets up an obvious HHH vs HBK rivalry. Cena Orton cant happen again so i dont see a heel turn by either one of them yet, unfortunately. Maybe a midcarder gets a push as heel such as MVP or Swagger.

 

[Slam Master]

I would like to see Shawn Michaels turn heel. The last time we semi-saw it was with Hogan in 2005 and it was great. HHH or Cena would be a nice option. Since Batista turned heel, Edge turning face when he comes back would be a nice change. There are many possibilities because a lot of the characters have been the same for the past few years besides Punk's recent turn.

 

[Southwind]

Triple H it's the easiest question I was asked today by far. HHH needs to turn heel he was good as a face at first but everybody knows he works better as the "I'm that damn good" heel.

Plus there is a necessity on Raw Randy Orton is the only main event heel on the show to challenge Cena.... Except he can't anymore Swagger and those of his ilk are to green and stand too much to lose career wise to be fed to John Cena right now.

It''s Triple H it makes sense for him personally and it really makes sense for the company and Raw itself.

 

[ascott1984]

i would like to see an undertaker heel turn just to see a feud with john morrison. i think these two could have some epic matches given the right set of ingrediants such as storylines and proper time to develop a good chemestry with one another. Other than i think cena definatly needs a heel turn possibly evolve the dr. of thuganomics character again as well as maybe a swagger face turn.

 

[bxbigshow]

Undertaker is working to well as the 'concious' of WWE that a turn would not be feasible.

CM Punk is also playing heel very well, reminds me of his ROH days.

Cena, I'd love it but it'll lose money.

HHH is the closest to crossing over right now, so I think that's the route that WWE will go.

But I like the idea of maybe MVP, because he played it well previously. He can sell the idea that he is being 'held back' by WWE Management (classic heel story) because he was US Champ when he got here and now he's stuck in a nowhere tag team with Mark Henry. Just a thought.

*Sidebar- I also selfishly want Chris Jericho to turn facr again only because I want an new updated DVD from WWE. I would LOVE a heel oriented disc (ala Edge) but hell any new DVD will do.*

 

[Binga09]

Triple H: I'm sorry to say it guys, But I just don't see it happening. He plays a good face, but he plays an even better heel. Hunter has even stated himself that he prefers to portray a heel character, but for some weird reason, I just can't see it happening anytime soon.

Chris Jericho: I absolutely love the persona of Jericho when he is a face. When he made his inevitable return to face The 'then' WWE Champion Randy Orton, I thought the way his character was used was instrumental to the way Jericho has been used as a heel. Jericho, in either situation plays a strong, power character. Face or Heel, You cannot go wrong with him and I just hope he dosen't retire anytime soon because in my mind, He has the most to offer with the WWE as we speak.

Randy Orton: Like Jericho, He plays a terrific heel. In my mind, He is probably the greatest heel character at this moment of the last ten years and that is a very big statement to make. Orton has a face however, I wouldn't be against it. I've seen him do it only once. I think we all remember when this occured, as he became the youngest World Heavy weight champion in history. I think if he were to turn face, He would take on the role quite well.

Other noteable mentions have to go to
Face Turns: Cody Rhodes, Ted Debiase, Edge ( something i do see happening, with potentially a rivalry with his ex - tag team partner Chris Jericho? )
Heel Turns: Shawn Michaels, Finley ( Would love to see Finley go back to his Irish, hating ways )

 

[Brady12]

In the true sense of the term, a heel is someone we are supposed to actually not like and truly boo. People would still like HBK or Triple H if they turned heel, but a Cena turn would make the most sense. Half the arena usually boo him anyway and can't stand him, but this time, WWE could convert the kiddies and the women folk into booing him. Imagine...a heel that people ACTUALLY don't like.

As for money, I think when Edge returns, you can make him a face and make up the difference. Cena is not the end all be all like Hogan and Austin were in their day and I'm at a loss to why Vince won't turn him.

When people booed the Rock during his rookie days...Vince turned him heel. When people started liking him...Vince turned him face. When Austin was a heel getting cheered....Vince turned him into a renegade babyface.

Vince not turning Cena into a mega heel is confusing. Vince usually listens to the fans, but not on this one. It's weird.

 

[AMH]

I agree that HHH needs to be turns ASAP. Watching him week in and week out with HBK acting out situations that they think are funny has grown painfully stale. Neither of them are funny anymore (with the exception of HHH questioning Kofi about his accent). What they need to do is bring back the old HHH. He cut some of the best promos as a heel, he worked better as a heel. And, quite honestly, I would LOVE to see him turn on HBK, perhaps during the Royal Rumble leading to a one on one encounter at Wrestlemania that could, quite possibly, be the match of the night. And to whoever it was who said they should turn Jericho face, I think you should greatly re-consider. In my opinion, Jericho is THE best in the WWE. Much of the reason for that simply because of the way he handles himself as a heel. He is perfect in the role. Much like Orton and Punk. It would only bring him down to turn him face. And when Edge comes back, which by reading may not be as soon, I cannot wait to see him back and hopefully challenge Y2J for the title at Wrestlemania. That will be an amazing match as well. So would a Raw vs. Smackdown match consisting of Cena vs. Undertaker at Wrestlemania. Oh, if only....if only.

 

[Henry Hill]

Let me start out by saying that turning Cena heel would be rushed and completely stupid. Not for the "oh he draws well with kids and girls and sells merch" reasons, as i could really not care less who draws, as i don't have any stock in the company and it does nothing for me. All i care about is what is entertaining, and makes sense. It would be a complete collapse in judgement to turn almost any of the baby faces on raw heel, and vice versa. I think its funny how half the time, people think a way to "freshen" up the shows are to just turn people. It would have to make sense to turn someone, to have the crowd start getting behind a heel who is having a hot streak or start turning on a baby face who is slumping. with Batista it made sense, because he's already a big angry dude, and has always snapped and let loose on his opponents, just this time its rey, and everyone likes rey. For almost anyone in the raw locker room to come out and screw over someone else that way, would be a swerve for the sake of swerving. So in my opinion, no one needs to turn, Raw just needs to create feuds that suit the different wrestlers, and not Vince's ego.

 

[Ziirox]

In the 6 man tag match tonight, I was really hoping they break up the MVP-Mark Henry Tag Team by turning one of them heel. Raw needs another heel or two. Randy Orton and Big Show are the only heels on the roster right now that are capable of fighting Cena for the title.

I have a feeling Regal/Jackson/Koslov could be moved to Raw or just Regal with his goons being left behind. Regal plays a fantastic heel and before his suspension, he was in line for a huge push.

As for current Raw stars that need a turn, I'd say HBK. We all know HHH plays a fantastic heel but its always the same old story with him. He goes after the title and gets it eventually after 2-3 months of feuding and beats people up with a sledge hammer and is super evil. I'd say turn HBK at Survivor Series, do a short Cena vs HBK feud and a HHH vs Orton feud but then start a HBK vs HHH that headlines Wrestlemania. By then we may have other heels coming up to the Main Event scene in the likes Chris Masters (if they ever utilize him correctly) or maybe they'll make a big swerve and turn someone heel whom we never expected (Could anyone see Kofi a heel?).

 

[Brady12]

Well...everything in the WWE right now is rushed, stupid or makes no sense. It kills me because I'm a WWE fan.

But it's about formula. Half the audience is booing Cena. Turn HBK or Triple H heel and have him take on Cena and guess what happens? Fans will cheer for Hunter or Michaels and will boo Cena out the building.

So even though Michaels and Hunter would make cool heels...the idea is to give fans a heel they can truly hate and baby faces they can rally behind. Cena is not a baby face that all fans back like DX or Undertaker.

 

[attitude_hero]

Some people seem to be rooting for face/heel turns from certain stars in the WWE. We've seen Batista make his turn, but there seems to be a need for another one


Something that i've sort of wanted to see lately is a heel turn from The Game

The face HHH made a pretty big impact when it first happened, but it was basically a way to reunite DX. With the DX reunions growing stale (in my opinion anyway) is there any big reason to keep Triple H as a face?


The last time Triple H was a heel, was during the last remnants of the edgier, PG-13 RAW. With the kid-friendly shows they want now, do you think turning Triple H heel would help the show or hurt it?


Despite the idea of having to tweek the way they use his character, I think turning Triple H heel would help the show by a decent amount.

I dont mean turning him heel for another feud with Cena, unless a major incentive is thrown in. But in general, I think the storylines that could come from Triple H returning somewhat to the way he was in the Evolution era could have great benefits for himself and the WWE, as long as the writers use it well.

Now im aware that Triple H doesnt seem to have any desire to turn heel, but this is my opinion. What about you guys?

Triple H doesnt need to turn heel because he can wrestle faces or heels, ask cena last year. HBK probably doesnt need it but i would definetly love hbk turning heel, as far of d-x going stale i really dont thinks so, they get the biggest pops of the night and they are really entertaining, a breath of fresh air from the psycho orton and the super cena, although triple h needs to stop shooting on the young guys like he usually does.. poor erick escobar, no one is going to take him seriously now

 

[school-of-hard-knocks]

I would say HBK. He has grown very stale as a face in my opinion. Plus his best work is when he is a heel. It allows him to take more cheap shots at people, mixes up his in-ring work better and as easy as it is for the fans to like HBK it is just as easy to hate him due to his past. Plus with Orton likely out of the title picture for a while who better to take the belt from Cena than HBK?

 

[Jaziet]

TRIPLE H needs to turn heel as RAW is quite thin in that department. Triple H was sick as a heel and could easily attract heat.
MVP: his just become stale since joining raw and if his ever gonna be pushed it will be as a heel.

 

[Guyzwitgunz]

Triple H: He played a damn good heel character during those runs but he is also a great face too. The thing is that if he actually wanted to turn heel he probably would because he and HBK have heaps of creative influence and a close relationship with Vince so he normally gets what he wants.

HBK: Same as Triple H but i dont really see him turning heel because even though he says he is not going to retire he may becuase you never know at his age and with all the past injuries he has had and i think WWE would want to send him out on the good side of the fans.

Randy Orton: I think hes a terrific heel and the best one since the end of the Attitude Era. Whenever i look at him all i see is evil and thats what makes him so damn good at the role so i don't see him turning either.

John Cena: So many people want him turned and I think it would work out great AFTER the Raw main event situation becomes a bit bigger and we get a few more stars up there such as Kofi Kingston who is in the process of that right now along with Jack Swagger , Mark Henry and MVP. The real thing that is holding his turn back though is merchandise sales, Vince doesn't want them to fall out as he is a leading seller for the WWE product.
Hell he would make a great heel though because, as someone said earlier half the arena already boo him and so he could get and even louder reaction even as loud as Vickie Guerrero.

Well i have a lot more to say about this but i cant be bothered typing it all so i will leave it there for now

 

[ThaGreyHoodie]

when the time is right, WWE should turn Orton face. I feel at this point he's so built up as a great heel character,that when that time comes for the turn, he'll carry not only the show he's on but the company as a whole,kinda of like how Jericho has been lately(but as a heel of course)...

by the way,I am in no way an Orton mark, so my opinion isn't bias.

 

[d_henderson1810]

when the time is right, WWE should turn Orton face. I feel at this point he's so built up as a great heel character,that when that time comes for the turn, he'll carry not only the show he's on but the company as a whole,kinda of like how Jericho has been lately(but as a heel of course)...

by the way,I am in no way an Orton mark, so my opinion isn't bias.

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Firstly, turning Orton face would be completely stupid. I mean, this is suppoused to be a guy who was prepared to KILL another man, by lying him across where the pyros come out. If you watch that "Ironman" Match carefully, every movement, every twitch, put across that Randy Orton is cold, calculated and pure evil. He is by far the best heel in WWE for a long time, and also they had him as face a few years ago, and it sucked. He still had the confident swagger and "I'm better than you" mannerisms, but he was supposed to be a face. No, he is a perfect heel, and could wind up being one of the greatest heels of all time. They just need to give him fresh feuds against the likes of Kingston, MVP, Mark Henry, and even Ted DiBiase and Cody Rhodes when Orton kicks them out of Legacy.

I have the perfect way to do a Cena heel turn. It can be based on the fact that the fans boo him. Cena can turn heel on someone, and say that he is sick of the fans booing him, claim it is because they are jealous and ungrateful, and he will make them all pay. His method: since he will claim that the WWE Universe lives vicariously through their favourite superstars, then those same superstars (like the Undertaker, HBK and others) will suffer for the fan's disrespect of him. He will force the fans to cheer him , or he will make them stop cheering their favourite stars, by beating them down until the fans, not wanting to see their favourites put on the shelf or retired, will stop cheering their faves just to keep them safe. Cena could become obsessed with making the fans and their superstars pay, for all the years he has tried to represent them and, yet, they boo him.

If I was Cena, I would want to do this, if only to cut a shoot heel promo, where I really tell the fans who boo to get a life, and that the reason they boo Cena is because he is rich and living his dream, while they are nine-to-five ham-and-eggers who hate their job, are no good at it, and hate their boss. They boo Cena because he seems happy, and they are miserable human beings by comparison. Just sayin'.

 

[ThaGreyHoodie]

Firstly, turning Orton face would be completely stupid.

I agree, right now it would be a dumb move,that's why i said "when the time is right...".I feel though you can't deny that this heel run he is on now is making him a better sports entertainer and is also preparing him for when it IS time to make that turn.If he makes you believe that he's psychotic,and really wants to destroy someone now,just think how well he could do the next time around as a face.I think it would be a different story from the last time he was a face,when i felt he was okay but he really wasn't ready to take over a larger spotlight. it seems like he's learned a lot from guys like Flair and Trips when it comes to the entertainment part of the business.

 

[Ziirox]

I remember Randy as a face. He was so dry and awful. He has become such an amazing heel. As a heel, he is one of the tops in the business. We're talking HHH, Edge and Jericho top of company heels.

Mark Henry has never really been a great face. Whenever hes a face, he simply jobs to the stars. Well, he was still the World's Strongest Jobber when he was a heel, but hes better at it and he puts people over like no one else can. I only say he can't be a face now because they would not bring the back the "Sexual Chocolate" gimmick which produced some of the most controversial and worst on screen moments in WWE History. Anyway... Mark Henry is at best forgettable as a face, turn him heel. MVP could benefit a heel turn, especially with the slim main event scene on Raw. NOW is the time to definitely pull the trigger on that. Its not so much Raw's problem that they need heels, but they need new Main Eventers. Kofi coming up as a face makes sense but don't forget about MVP. They need to bring him up to the Main scene as a heel.

Oh... and I still stand by my post about turning HBK.

 

[DXOWNZ]

I agree that HHH needs to be turns ASAP. Watching him week in and week out with HBK acting out situations that they think are funny has grown painfully stale. Neither of them are funny anymore (with the exception of HHH questioning Kofi about his accent). What they need to do is bring back the old HHH. He cut some of the best promos as a heel, he worked better as a heel. And, quite honestly, I would LOVE to see him turn on HBK, perhaps during the Royal Rumble leading to a one on one encounter at Wrestlemania that could, quite possibly, be the match of the night.

I know its weird by my username but I would love this. Okay, imagine HHH wins the title at SS, keeps it at Royal Rumble, and during the royal rumble match he comes to ringside. HBK is getting thrown over, but HHH catches him. Everyone cheers thinking he'll put him back in the ring. Instead he throws him at the barracade, making everyone hate him right away. Then HHH will successfully defend his title at No Way Out or Elimination Chamber or whatever its called, and at Wrestlemania, HHH vs HBK for the WWE Title.

 

[BigCraigie]

Theres no value in a DX heel turn because a) people will always cheer them anyway b) they can fight anyone anyway because of there whole DX attitude and c) they are both getting old and the WWE needs to desparately build some younger guys up.

I applaud the suggestion of Kofi Kingston as a heel and would also add Swagger and probably Christian once he's done with ECW.

 

[Derf]

I know the guy can't move, but they need to turn Khali heal again and actually use him. He's a former World Champion, remember? I know the usual "Big guy = Monster" gimmick don'tt work most of the time, but with Khali, it did, bigtime.

Also, I see a trace of Jack Swagger possibly turning face right now? That could be a good thing, even more so if they followed up with his thing with Miz last week.

Cena as a heal would be cool, but it'll never happen, end of that story.


I actually think that the triple threat match at SS will be a way to make one of the DX members turn on the other. And if you don't think they'll actually turn fully heal, just wwatch the kiddies cry when the heal of the two destroys Hornswoggle. Full fledged heal right there.

But the person that needs to go heal the most is Santino. Sure, he's featured every single week in a comedy skit, never wrestling, but at least as a heal he got SOME in ring time, and who can say no one loved watching him get what was coming? He did what Chavo is doing now 100X better.