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Who has improved the most?

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Which WWE star began as crappy or subpar, but drastically improved themselves more than all the rest? Based on what I've seen, I'd likely choose the Miz. His earlier work was pretty terrible, but he is now pretty good on the mic and is tolerable in the ring. Nikki has also gotten a lot better, although I feel her recent face turn might derail this. Watching her as the underdog in her match against Cameron felt...wrong...
 
Roman Reigns is the easy choice for this. When he debuted he had a lot of potential but was very green and had a lot to work on and therefore was protected in tag matches for nearly 18 months but now he has improved massively actually winning a wrestling observers most improved in 2013. While he has been over pushed for someone of his talent when the big occasions came he stepped up in the matches and in his 4 PPV singles matches the worst rating a match got was a 4 star which shows the clear improvement.
 
I would give a list of top 5 WWE superstars who had improved over the years..

#5 ROMAN REIGNS
I'm not a fan of Roman Reigns. But I should admit that he had improved a plenty over the last few months, its more or less just the creative who tried to shove it down our throat. He never spent more than 1 minute in the ring when he was in The Shield but now he is potent to fight a Last man Standing match and that's the improvement.

#4 DOLPH ZIGGLER
I guess many of the IWC is in love with this guy. But what was he before? He was just a parr of The Spirit Squad but the evolution of the Show off Dolph Ziggler from the scratch is something remarkable.

#3 THE USOS
They evolved from just some Heel twin Tag team to the Crazy Usos who's loved by the crowd. Some of us even deemed them as the John Cena of tag team division. Every Subsequent matches of them in each PPVs shows their improvement. The most astonishing match of their career in my perspective is 2 out of 3 falls against the Wyatt Family!

#2 RUSEV
If he hadn't lost consecutive PPVs against John Cena for the United States Title, he could've been the top heel of the company right now apart from The Authority! But still his in ring work, in ring psychology and the way he battles the stipulation matches shows how much he had evolved and improved.

#1 BRAY WYATT
He was the leader of the Wyatt family and apparently a Cult but he doesn't had great in ring skills and he couldn't reflect his mic skills inside the ring. But everything regarding Bray Wyatt has improved over the years. But he should start winning at the Major Events.

Cheers!!
 
The Miz become quite a solid heel with time. Hopefully he will get a more serious push for a midcard title when he comes back from shooting his movie.
 
Unquestionably Roman Reigns.

Yes, the company is obviously solidly invested in his improvement.....and honestly, since it was their mistake in the first place to put forth such grand plans for a guy who was nowhere near ready, it's right and proper for them to get behind him now.

Of course, none of this is to belittle Roman's own efforts. He's plainly been working overtime; while everyone else has to perform in the ring and hit the gym (presumably) several times a week, Reigns has to do all that and absorb in-ring and "mic" lessons after all his buddies have retired for the night.

When we first met the Shield, Roman Reigns was the big guy who stood quietly in back of the threesome and looked more like an enforcer than anything else. To handle that, all he had to do was level a few poor suckers and admire his own handiwork. Apparently, the company figured that that.....and a fantastic "look"......would be enough to carry the guy to the world title, a strategy which was ultimately proven shortsighted and foolish.

So, now they're doing what they should have done over a year ago.....and the results are obvious. Roman has improved in leaps & bounds.....surely more than anyone else in WWE.
 
I agree that Roman Reigns has improved quite a bit but one name I'd put right next to Romans is the big guy, Ryback.

Ryback has come a long way from a few punches, a big clothesline and then his finisher. He can also talk on the mic better than before. Had he not been pushed so hard all of the sudden I think that we would have a Ryback who is much better than he is right now. I see a lot of money being dropped on this guy.
 
While I agree with others who have posted about Miz, Reigns, and Ryback, I would like to mention Cesaro's improvement since the infamous brass ring interview.
Although, he's definitely hasn't started giving promos that the Rock is jealous of, he has improved every aspect of his character.
Before the interview he was basically a "poser." Not an imposer which is how the term is usually used, but a guy that comes out and poses for the camera like The Masterpiece, or Lex Luger used to do. The announcers used to have to tell you how good Cesaro was, now he does that himself.
He has a new, cooler attitude, and is not afraid of promos or mic work. His move set compliments his physical abilities very well, and allows him to show off his strength and athleticism. His partnership with Kidd is fluid, salient, and looks like they grew up together. They truly cover all the bases when it comes to a tag team.
He's still got some a ways to go if he wants to be WWE champ, so let's hope for Cesaro's sake that slow and steady wins the race.
 
The Miz, without a shadow of a doubt. He was absolutely horrible when he debuted, just a snot-nosed nobody from some Z-list reality show nobody watched. Over the course of a few years he worked his ass off and became one of the overall best in-ring performers in the company. By 2009 he was one of my favorites on the roster, and I was ecstatic when he won the WWE Championship. I got to see him win the Intercontinental Championship live on the WrestleMania 29 Kickoff Show and marked out huge. Today Damien Sandow is incredibly over because The Miz saved his career. Nobody would love Sandow if they didn't hate The Miz. He's one of the most brilliant heels of his generation and the most criminally underrated performer in WWE today. He's much more deserving of superstardom than most of the Superstars getting the big pushes today. The Miz should be constantly holding or chasing a championship. Just get rid of that weird mumu thing he stole from Mrs. Roper, give him back the leather trenchcoat, grow his hair and beard back out, and let him run with it.
 
You have to bear in mind that improvement is experience based first and formost and not a natural thing for many. Everyone is going to be better in some ways 5 years into their WWE career, but the genuine most improved are the ones like Undertaker, who when given the opportunity to work with "better" guys actually improve in a relatively quick time rather than it taking the 5 years. Taker's "gift" wasn't his size or ability, he was shocking prior to 1995, but he was only getting to work monster of the month... once he was put in with real workers like Foley, Dustin, Austin, Shawn and Bret he went from a C to an A in barely 2 years... he learned and improved exponentially, that was his gift.

Guys like Dolph, Ryback and Reigns haven't yet taken those chances but are making improvements for sure.

Bray Wyatt is a classic case of someone who has improved immensely... not just from Husky Harris but since debuting as Bray. Each "big feud" even if it ends up a loss for him has seen him improve his psychology and his in ring ability/toughness. Some thought the "melt" from the spiderwalk at Mania was bad... not at all, that is a guy who knows he is equal to Taker on that night, but knows what he has to do to sell the match/loss he is taking. He's not a ring general yet, but it was a major step.

Arguably Goldust is the most improved on the WWE roster if you take from their debut to now... sure he's had 20 years but remember when he joined he was just "Dustin Rhodes", a very vanilla/bland brawler type... there was an upwards trajectory in his work the moment he donned the wig and makeup and he has never STOPPED getting better. Arguably only now age is inevitably catching up is it starting to slip... same thing happened with Regal and Billy Gunn... they kept not only in great shape but got way better with age till age got the better of them.

Miz deserves a mention... from the days of him being banned from the locker room for chicken over a bag to headline Mania to being someone who always gets strong heat is no small feat.

If I had to pick one person who has really improved quickly it's Neville... he's been on-screen barely a month and in that time has worked some very big names and matches, and much like Taker did he has learned from them and is showing that improvement already... if he can keep it going like this, he'll be knocking on the door of the main event through sheer quality by this time next year.
 
The Miz would definitely be at the top of my list much like everyone else here. I'm one of the few that actually believe he deserved his world title run. At that time he was just on fire and he was doing all the right things media wise and whatnot. I think he should've been given a longer run in the Main Event. Right now he's doing a great job in the mid card. But I believe if given the right opportunity again and if the company gets behind him, he can be a top heel.
 
As has been mentioned, guys like Ziggler, Wyatt, Ryback and Miz are examples of wrestlers that started out with lousy and/or too one dimensional gimmicks but vastly improved their lot with some alternations, sometimes minor to sometimes major, to their personas.

Another example, from my perspective at least, would be The Undertaker. For the first year to year and a half, Taker's character was pretty dull and one dimensional. Most of his matches ultimately had him doing little to no selling with an offense comprised mainly of punches and variations of choking someone out. His promos were generally him saying a small handful of words after Paul Bearer had finished with his portion. While they ultimately kept the dark, macabre aspects of the character at the heart of things, Taker's persona gradually evolved over time into something a less hokey.

Another guy I think that deserves a mention is Triple H himself as he's most certainly come a long, long way from the days in which he was "The Connecticut Blueblood" Hunter Hearst Helmsley. Even though I personally liked the character, I knew that it wouldn't really sustain him as a major star and I liked how it changed slowly over the course of a couple of years.
 
john cena is the most impoved. his first year as champ was terrible. remember his match at mania 21? he got beat up for twenty minutes, did his five moves and won. it wasn't until mania 23 where he started to improve.
 
As has been mentioned, guys like Ziggler, Wyatt, Ryback and Miz are examples of wrestlers that started out with lousy and/or too one dimensional gimmicks but vastly improved their lot with some alternations, sometimes minor to sometimes major, to their personas.

Another example, from my perspective at least, would be The Undertaker. For the first year to year and a half, Taker's character was pretty dull and one dimensional. Most of his matches ultimately had him doing little to no selling with an offense comprised mainly of punches and variations of choking someone out. His promos were generally him saying a small handful of words after Paul Bearer had finished with his portion. While they ultimately kept the dark, macabre aspects of the character at the heart of things, Taker's persona gradually evolved over time into something a less hokey.

Another guy I think that deserves a mention is Triple H himself as he's most certainly come a long, long way from the days in which he was "The Connecticut Blueblood" Hunter Hearst Helmsley. Even though I personally liked the character, I knew that it wouldn't really sustain him as a major star and I liked how it changed slowly over the course of a couple of years.

The persona is only ever part of the puzzle though... Some have actually gone backwards persona wise... Dolph is a prime example, while his "Hi, I'm Dolph Ziggler" stuff was lame, his "banging Vicki/AJ" type character was interesting, he was incorporating his stand up hobby and was developing nicely... then somewhere along the line he seemed to become "bland babyface who bumps a lot and has great matches"... In essence he became Curt Hennig during his 1993 face run... or Trips when he returned from his quad injury... In Hennig's case he was phoning a lot of that run in as he was still trying to claim on a Lloyds policy... but the character side regressed along with his ring work... Ziggler is still putting on great matches, but personality wise he isn't putting much out there at all.. that might not be on him but how WWE want it, but it's definitely there. It's only the feud with Sheamus that has remotely made Dolph look like he has a personality to go with his moves... and even then it's not really convincing me...

Bo Dallas is another who has regressed, he's gone from over the top babyface to a genuinely snarky/nasty guy on the mic... perhaps that again is choice on WWE's part, perhaps they're building him up for a run with his brother... but he's definitely gone backwards lately. Others can do that snark/nasty stuff way better.

It's hard to say Wyatt's initial gimmick was one dimensional... perhaps it relied on the Family a bit too much, but after all, what good is a cult leader without a cult?

Likewise it's hard to say someone like Kane has regressed, his initial gimmick WAS pretty one dimensional, then gained layers and now he's got perhaps the most interesting yet... The world knows he's a smart guy now, possible politician etc... but he's playing conflicted over being a monster and giving up what "brought you to the dance"... Kane's perhaps the most improved character recently for that reason.
 
Out of the whole roster i have to say Rusev is the one who has improved the most, I like almost everything about Rusev his in ring work, his look, his entrance, his gimmick, the only problem i'd say is the fact that he speaks Russian or Bulgarian every single time he starts with a promo, his English is Near Perfect and he doesn't need to speak Russian/Bulgarian every time. but other than that he has improved so much every since he was with Syvester LeFort and Teaming with Scotr Dawson in NXT.
 
. remember his match at mania 21? he got beat up for twenty minutes, did his five moves and won. it wasn't until mania 23 where he started to improve.

If by "beat up" you mean "laid in a reverse chin-lock/sleeper hold for what felt like a fucking hour" then yea


Its obviously The New Day. From being the worst segment on every show they are on to being the best segment on every show they are on, going from a group that shouldn't have lasted past the fireworks of the 4th to be a group a large part of the show is built around.


If anything, people like Zigs and Ryback have regressed.
 
I'd go with Rusev. It's crazy to see the difference between his time in NXT, where he could barely speak English and couldn't wrestle a very good match, to today, where he can now cut a decent promo and consistently wrestle good matches with everybody he faces. Rusev is one of the few guys who has consistently gotten better over the years without regressing, and has even broke the mold of the "foreign monster" gimmick.

I remember when he first started, there were a ton of people who weren't sold on him and labelled him the monster of the month. Nowadays, you'd be hard pressed to find many Rusev detractors.
 
Which WWE star began as crappy or subpar, but drastically improved themselves more than all the rest? Based on what I've seen, I'd likely choose the Miz. His earlier work was pretty terrible, but he is now pretty good on the mic and is tolerable in the ring. Nikki has also gotten a lot better, although I feel her recent face turn might derail this. Watching her as the underdog in her match against Cameron felt...wrong...

I'd say Ryback. He went from 3 year ago, being a poor man's Goldberg to a complete wrestler who can compete with the best of them. I never would have thought Ryback's mic skills were so good.
 

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