Where's the patience, man?

Michael J. Fox

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Too many times on these forums/comment sections I see a fan giving up on a peformer. One guy takes a loss, maybe loses a title, then its all pessimism and obscurity for said performers. One loss does not equal burial/demoralization. It seems like too many fans think one loss = no future in the WWE (or any promotion for that matter). Much of WWE's roster is still fairly young, they have all the time in their careers to reach the "brass ring". Given some angles have been horrible, it's obvious some wrestlers could use some positive light. If all goes well, we'll sew this roster + some over the next ten years. What is it that makes a fan give up on a wrestler so quickly?
 
I only give up on talent if they become uninteresting. If they're not entertaining people won't stay behind them.
 
It's just what happens in this ADD generation. Something's not happening quick enough people give up and move on. Or something/someone else randomly grabs their attention and they forget all about whoever/whatever had their attention prior. In this day and age of high speed this and instant that and so forth, it's really no surprise.
 
Jesus man, could you be any less specific? Who exactly turns on talent after one loss? What talents are you talking about? What people? Is it really butter?
 
Well, you have to consider the nature of some of today's fans. You can categorize them in various different groups if that's your thing.

There are still fans who're content to be fans and want enjoy the product. That doesn't mean that they enjoy everything that goes on or just buy into anything that WWE puts out, but these fans generally want to be and try to be entertained. Even though these fans are "smart", they don't dwell on it as much as others.

There are fans who've become "too smart" for their own. They're more concerned with analyzing everything they see, categorizing it and essentially playing armchair booker to enjoy it. These are fans who strike me as the most difficult to please because it's almost like they're more concerned with nitpicking at everything, looking for some fault in what's going on, focusing on it when they find it, often exaggerating the hell out of it when they find it and often grow to feel that they have some sort of special insight into what's good & what isn't that no one else except themselves & those who share their opinions possess. While we all enjoy our fantasy booking scenarios, this caliber of fan takes it much further and are just unrealistic at times; if WWE doesn't somehow follow their ideal scenarios to the letter, these fans tend to crap all over it.

There are fans who're very, very picky about who they want to like and who they don't. Not that there's anything wrong with having high standards, but these fans often have very, very specific traits that a wrestler has to have or they'll often shit all over them. For instance, a lot of these fans claim that they want wrestling characters to be broad and cover the entire spectrum, but that's not really how it is. For instance, look at how many times we've seen threads in which the OP, or others posting in said thread, basically want every wrestler, heel or face, to be this superhumanly tough, nearly unstoppable, godlike badass with no real moral center. A good portion of the time, this doesn't apply for all fans of this type but a good number, often dismiss a wrestler, a storyline or an angle without even giving it a chance; they've already made up their minds to dislike it no matter what on some sort of strange principle that often makes sense only to them.

There are fans who're also just unwilling to suspend disbelief to any appreciable degree, which is ironic when you consider that they're spending their time and money to watch a fictional fighting league comprised of men & women with exaggerated and/or fictional personas that engage in scripted feuds which culminate in choreographed fights in which the outcome is predetermined. These fans can be difficult to satisfy because, again, they have tastes that can be difficult to cater to in the traditional sense. For instance, many of these fans suspend disbelief enough to watch, yet they often root for the "bad guys" while crapping all over the "good guys" for various reasons. Some feel it makes them "edgy", some do it because it's what others around them are doing, some do it because they just flat out want to. For instance, 20 years ago, fans wouldn't have cheered for a calculating, opportunistic sociopathic heel like Kevin Owens while jeering a patriotic, all American "hero" babyface like John Cena.

Now, to one degree or another, all of these "types" can be applied to most fans. One thing I do think that a healthy majority of fans from every viewpoint, philosophy, taste, etc. have these days is that they're spoiled to some degree; it's not really just in wrestling, but in society as a whole because we've very much become a world where we want everything and we want it yesterday. We also seem to be just plain more pessimistic as a society as we seem to be ready, willing and more than able to focus more on negatives rather than positives. Whenever we see something good, some sort of story in the news or we hear about on social media that has a positive message, it's like it's gone and completely forgotten about in the blink of an eye; yet negatives continue to stay around and are put in front of us relentlessly day in and day out. Police officers accused to racial profiling, politicians raking each other through the mud, the latest celebrity feud over something one of them said about the other on Twitter or Facebook, etc. Not that some of that stuff doesn't warrant a lot of attention, it's just that there's an endless barrage of negativity that's always front & center of just about everything we do; whenever we hear about someone doing a good deed or helping out a charitable organization or what have you, somebody always has to make a negative comment asking what the ulterior motive is, what's this person getting out of it, etc. When it comes to WWE, it's pretty much the same thing as whenever something good goes down, whenever there's news of WWE joining forces with a charity or raising money for this cause or that cause, here come the haters. As far as the product itself, it seems that a number of fans want every promo to be golden, every feud to be something they talk about 10 years down the road, every match to be an epic encounter and every wrestler to be all things to all people. We want feuds to be stretched out longer with fewer ppvs so the matches feel bigger when they happen, yet it's not very long before we get the "I'm bored with Wrestler A vs. Wrestler B" threads and complaints after the program's been going on for a few months.

It's easier to be negative and critical, always has been. Historically speaking, it's always been easier to tear something down than to build it up whether it comes to just about anything and pro wrestling's no different.
 
Too many times on these forums/comment sections I see a fan giving up on a peformer. One guy takes a loss, maybe loses a title, then its all pessimism and obscurity for said performers. One loss does not equal burial/demoralization. It seems like too many fans think one loss = no future in the WWE (or any promotion for that matter). Much of WWE's roster is still fairly young, they have all the time in their careers to reach the "brass ring". Given some angles have been horrible, it's obvious some wrestlers could use some positive light. If all goes well, we'll sew this roster + some over the next ten years. What is it that makes a fan give up on a wrestler so quickly?

Can you give us some examples of who fans are giving up on, because quite honestly I think the opposite is true?

Look at someone like Dean Ambrose. He's on TV each week, in almost every PPV for the last year, part of the hottest feud last year with Rollins, and I can count how many wins he's had on one hand. Yet he's one of the most over guys on the roster, and receives one of the biggest pops each night. Same goes for Ziggler, Ryback, Sandow and a number of others.

You don't have to win to keep support, you just have to be able to get out there and entertain the masses. Cena wins all the time and he's hated by a lot of the IWC for that reason alone. So wins and losses count for nothing really with most people.

The best example might be Daniel Bryan. He won the titles at Mania, got injured, had surgery and was out for almost the whole year. When he came back the fans went nuts, they didn't give up on him even though it looked like he would never wrestle again. Wrestling fans are a niche group, and very loyal to the superstars they like and support. Yea sometimes they suck, but then everyone sucks at some point or another. None of us are perfect.
 
Can you give us some examples of who fans are giving up on, because quite honestly I think the opposite is true?

Rusev. I think the guy is terrific; a heel who fights scientifically, but how many times have we read on this forum that since he's finished his program with John Cena, he's a half-step from being bounced out of WWE? Folks say that Rusev's only possible act is roaring his anti-American spiel, leaving him with nowhere else to go. Still others tell us that the split with Lana is a sure sign that she'll go on to better things while Rusev will be released.

Personally, I think he's just starting. The Creative people were surely aware from the beginning that the nationalistic stuff always has a limited shelf life and if they were going to spend so much time and effort building Rusev, they'd have a new direction to take him once his flag-waving days had run their course.

One of the factors that makes fans "give up so quickly" on a wrestler are uncertainty as to what lies next for the guy/gal. In Rusev's case, the concern might amount to something if WWE doesn't have a plan in mind.

Honestly, I think a face turn is in order, for a few reasons: First, having this guy turn good is almost inconceivable, adding spice to the idea.....second, if he's renounced his allegiance to Mother Russia, he'll shed a lot of the unfavorable feelings we have toward him....and third, he already fights like a good guy, scientifically breaking down opponents to win his matches.

At any rate, that's why I think Rusev is an example of a performer on whom many have "given up"........and why I believe that sentiment will turn out to be incorrect.
 
I've seen it whenever someone leaves the WWE lately and goes somewhere like TNA with some IWC it seems like how dare they work anywhere else and try to make a living at their chosen profession once their ex WWE its like they should just lay down, give up and disapear and also how dare TNA for hiring a WWE reject but its always ok for WWE to hire ex TNA guys though. Ive noticed that a few times its like some have an obsession with it and appear incenssed with hatred due to TNA hiring an ex WWE worker. Which I can't understand why but to each their own I guess.
 

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