1) I'm not really "offering counterpoints" for two reasons.
My guess, you can't and won't ever be able too.
One, you don't really say much.
I say plenty.
You attack my credibility a lot, and toss out a lot of cheap insults, but beyond that, you really don't have much to say.
Question of thread; "is TNA a success" my answer: Yes. What else do I need to say there?
Two, I don't care enough to play the quote wars game, because you aren't attacking my arguments. You're attacking individual points, saying that there's room for doubt, and since the idea is absolute, it obviously must be false
Last I checked your points are part of you argument, unless they're mutually exclusive in which case you're ******ed. Allow to me to break it down for you, when you're arguing an opinion you make points to support it. Me taking each point you've made and proving it wrong is an effective way to slaughter your arguments, which if you could back up in any way, shape or form you would.
2) "Court law"? Are you fucking serious? We aren't in court. I'm not trying to put someone in prison or deprive them of their freedom, I'm trying to make a suggestive case that TNA is in a bad way right now. The standards of proof are just a wee bit different. And, yes, I am quite familiar with court law. If this were any court proceeding, it would certainly be a civil court as opposed to a criminal one, where the standard is "preponderance of the evidence". You aren't the smartest kid on the internet, bucko, don't act like it.
You're accusing TNA of being a failure, yet you offer no proof to support your claim. Therefore your point is moot.
This boils down to "TNA can spend money".
Somehow I have this strange feeling that if in the 8 years TNA's been around they haven't made any money, someone would've cut the cord a while ago.
Duh. They've got a large company behind them (WCW spent plenty of Time Warner's money- we've seen this movie before.) In business, this is what's called "seed money". You've heard the expression, "you have to spend a buck to make a buck?"
So, in your opinion the people at Panda Energy are somehow smart enough to run a major company that makes money, but are dumb enough to waste money for 8 years with no return? Sure thing there.
That's what TNA is trying to do right now, but I can see no tangible evidence that they are making a return on that investment.
No evidence? Do you really think the money-grubbers at Spike would've gone from giving TNA one hour a week to four hours primetime if TNA was already doing badly? I mean does that sound like the logic of an experienced network board? "Hey, this show isn't making us money, lets make it bigger. Hey lets give the guys making the show more shows." Do you honestly expect me to believe that the guys at Spike have run with TNA for 5 years and instead of canning them, they've given them more airtime? That's not how tv networks make money.
You say they don't have to announce you're making a profit? You're right. But they have every reason in the world to announce that they're turning a profit, and the only solid reason I can come up with as to why they wouldn't announce they're turning a profit is if they weren't.
Why would they need to announce it? What benefit would it have? The agreement with Panda maintains TNA's place as a privately traded company. They're not looking for stockholders or shareholders, they have literally no need to announce their financial situation.
If TNA were a public company trying to get people to buy shares then yeah, infoming the general public that they were turning a profit would benefit them. How would a private company, that cannot be bought into, benefit from announcing profit margins?
You even say it yourself- "they've signed big stars". Big stars cost big money, and I don't need to see a contract to understand that.
Answer me these questions three, question the first; How can a company not making money afford people who cost lots of money? For questions two and three, refer to question one.
When someone tells you they're a teacher, you have an idea of how much they make; you can even refine that by finding out what kind of teacher.
LOL, as the son of a teacher you're very off. Teachers are paid according to their general role within schools, seniority and faculty rankings. Not what kind of teacher they are.
Wrestling isn't much different. What would TNA have to offer a wrestler to get them to sign with them instead of the competition? It varies greatly depending on how much leverage they have at the time of their contract signing, but not so widely that it's impossible to make an educated guess based on how the market was when they signed their contract. Ken Anderson didn't sign for $1000 a match, for instance. Hulk Hogan isn't working for tips and the opportunity to "get back" at Vince McMahon, he's making enough money to make it worth it to him.
Go back to that question I asked before, "How can TNA afford big stars if they aren't making money?" and before you try to insinuate that the money comes from panda, stop and think to yourself "I'm Bob Carter, TNA has cost me money for 8 years, better spend even more, because clearly 8 years is not enough time to turn a profit", now unless you're telling me the CEO of Panda Energy is dumb enough to fund TNA for 8 years with no return on his investment and then to give them even more money, then TNA's got to be doing rather well.
If you want to do the half-sentence at a time thing, feel free, but understand that I think you do it because you don't have any real arguments of your own to offer, merely individual criticisms of individual points, which serve to form no coherent logic of your own.
If you identify them as individual points then why am I required to address them as a group? Oh right, that's stupid.
I eagerly await you to isolate the "you're right" in this post and jump up and down like it was meant as a complete endorsement of your argument. BTW, I am *raking* in that +rep for that original "quote wars" post. Seems there are a lot of other people who don't think the tactic proves anything.
Seriously? Oh look I got some green rep la-di-da. What are you on, two bars? Fuck man that must make you the king of the forums.
Professional wrestling is about denying concrete information
No actually that's just your approach to debating. Allow me to perform an impression of you "TNA just went from 2 hours of primetime programming to 4...that means they're going to go out of business!!!!"
If the only standard for the proof you'll accept is an absolute, airtight one with irrefutable numbers that aren't available, you'll never have to change your mind and will always be able to tell yourself that you're right, right on up until the day Panda Energy sells TNA for far less than they put into it.
Ahhh, yeah not gonna happen. Unless you can provide some logical reasons that support your side of the argument, regarding the following;
TNA has existed for 8 years, according to you for those 8 years they've not made any money, yet the CEO of a major corporation is apparently dumb enough to keep spending money on it, despite being an intelligent businessman. Explain that.
TNA has managed to sign a broadcast deal with Spike TV originally airing 1 hour of television a week. This has since risen to 2, then 3 and soon 4. Yet Spike TV executives are apparently so dumb that even though TNA, according to you, isn't making any money they continue to give them more air time. In what would be essentially a money drain. Explain that.
The various PPV providers, who make money based on how many people buy the PPV's are willing to broadcast TNA's PPV's despite them, according to you, not making a profit. Why a PPV provider would be dumb enough to allow 8 years of PPV's to be run without a cent in return is something that I'd love for you to explain?
TNA, running more live shows, more international tours, breaking their attendance records, but apparently not making money, yet somehow managing to keep doing more and more.
TNA, able to sign major names and highly paid stars, yet somehow they make no money, yet are still able to pay for people who, according to you, wouldn't be there if they weren't guaranteed a paycheck?
Explain all of that logically and you can have some more of that precious rep you desire so badly.