This is fucking ridiculous.
The first thing I thought when I read the title of this thread was AGAIN?! Really? ...REALLY?
I dont know if the Mods or WZ or someone decides that threads need to be trashed after not being active for a while or something, but I KNOW for a fact that this specific thread has been done to death and if anyone tries to tell me it hasnt, then they are lying. I remember discussions in past threads like it was yesterday and some are inevitably reoccuring here as this thread always has the same bullshit in it this one has... and really should be deleted. Not for the fact that the topic keeps peaking on and off, but every so often there's a new thread made on this topic. There were many more pages than 3 in the other various threads with this topic. Maybe they dont have the same title, but are on the same subject exactly. I cant even begin searching today, but surely there's comments in my history from those threads I can go look up and when I get to a faster pc tomorrow I will.
Getting to the actual topic of the thread I'd like to congradulate everyone for being completely stupid in thinking your opinions mean shit. All this thread ever becomes is an "I think" or "To me it began here" thread. No facts. So fuck this thread once again.
The fact that someone actually stated that The Attitude Era started in WCW should show why this thread needs to die and never come back, the utter stupidity this thread brings out time and time again heightens.
Everyone should know that WWF's Attitude Era, again WWF's Attitude Era something exclusive to them NOT any other company, was a gameplan to compete with WCW. Bischoff states it I believe in the Monday Night Wars DVD and some others that someone gave him word that WWF were doing something different to compete along the lines of Jerry Springer and something else, forgot the exact quote. (ECW also didnt start it even if Attitude did mimick it, it was still its own era regardless and a WWE thing only, edginess around that time period in other companies doesnt put them in another company's era, WCW competed with WWE during their Attitude Era, but were not in it. How the hell can another company start in era in another? The only thing you can say is WCW was the reason they brought it about, but nothing they did in their company was a moment that sparked an era in another company.) WCW started the MNW not The Attitude Era and that's where that guy was confused.
Hell some said in one of the other threads here that it started when The Monday Night Wars started which is dead wrong. The Monday Night Wars was exactly that, The Attitude Era was a period of time within The MNW as a WWF thing because they needed it because they were getting their asses kicked.
I've seen the pre-recorded video by Vince where he stated that things were moving in a different direction and I would give that more credibility to that as being a start point than any other ridiculous statements made. However, I do want to point out that The Attitude Era is a delicate era that yes has always been debated on via the start time. Hell the end time debates are even more ridiculous as some would argue it ended when Rock and Austin left as some idiot stated. That would be like saying The Golden Era didnt truly end until Flair and Hogan left... and that hasnt happened yet, for good.
I would like to also point out that John Cena, Randy Orton and CM Punk, Rey Mysterio, Brock Lesnar... none of these guys were part of that era, NONE. That's bullshit to say it went any where beyond these guys.
And here's where the delicacy for this era comes in...
Just because WWE continued to do Attitude Era things outside of the era itself doesnt mean the era continued as far as said things. The Attitude Era died at WrestleMania X7 when it was no longer needed as the thing that caused WWE to create it was defeated.
The fact that things happened that were Attitude-like before the era began doesnt mean it was the start either which is why we have actually a pre-Attitude and post-Attitude period but a solid 4 Years of the Attitude Era are recognized even by WWE themselves.
It's been stated on record in a copy of WWE magazine several years ago that the Attitude Era started at WrestleMania 14 and ended at WrestleMania X7
The best era in all of wrestling started and ended at the greatest show in all of wrestling making it an era that touched 98, 99, 00 and 01.
This makes 97 a Prelude to Attitude and the rest of 01 after it ended Post-Attitude. Every era has its transitional period. Just because you have triggers and sparks for something doesnt mean it's the beginning, McMahon's promo was signalling the build to something not the start of something, Rome wasnt built in a day. 96 had nothing to do with the Attitude Era. But yes, The Face of The Attitude Era's win at WM14 is a nice way to say it was the start, but his title win alone is not the reason alone. He had moments before then. Just because he passed out to Bret doesnt mean it started at WM13. Not true at all. Another one I cant believe is someone actually thinks it started with the Tyson/Austin confrontation... WTF? really?
The Screwjob wasnt even the start, 97 had loads of Attitude stuff in it, just wasnt the start, it's like the unofficial year of Attitude really. Shawn of course was part of it and the original DX did do a lot for the era. I realize the original DX died the night it started, but again it's Pre-Attitude the original DX was, they set the stage along with Austin.
The Attitude Era in 98 is like fucking. 97 was foreplay. That's the best way to describe it.
But we have all come to know a point in 2002 as the start of Ruthless Aggression... and not only does an old WWE Magazine timeline confirm the Attitude Era's start and end, but if you look in the WWF Anthology album it says WWF Federations Years, WWF Attitude, WWF NOW (the era was unnamed at the time)
Rey Mysterio, John Cena and Lesnar's themes were under NOW, not Attitude so for those who keep saying it ended in 2003 when Rock and Austin fought or 2005 when Cena won the WWE title or after 2006 when WWECW died (yes ppl have said all this in past threads) just stop it, WWF has stated themselves for you when it started and ended THEMSELVES.
This isnt even a goddamn argument or even logical to debate opinions over what has fact to it by the damn company that made it!
So just stop it, just stop the recreation of this thread because I'm serious, it HAS been done already and I'm calling a conspiracy to recreate by a hacker or someone that keeps deleting it for a resurrection thread, but there were atleast 3-6 of these in the past 3-4 years alone.
R.I.P The Attitude Era WrestleMania 14-WrestleMania X7
And That's The Bottom Line... Because WWE THEMSELVES Said So!
[P.S. You know I speak the truth, and if you dont like it, SUCK IT!!]