What's wrong with HHH

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so ive been reading all these D Bry threads and cant help but notice all the hate for HHH and i just dont understand it. With Cena gone there is a void in wwe for someone who loves to talk. D Bry can cut decent promo as long as it is short. Orton has been pretty dissapoiting in my book. so someonne ha to fill the empty space. witch is y HHH is on tv so much. i for one love it. for the first time in a long time i dont no where they going with this story line. hhh is one of the best heels ever.. stef is doing pretty good work. they giving the Roads family good story line. giving the shild somthing to do. bigshows story could b better but it ok. all and all im really enjoying all this stry line. but it looks like im in the miority on this one so i ask. y all the hate. what would u rater c? ideas?
 
It's another HHH story that's in the main event, that's all there is to it. Now understand I'm not hating on the storyline as I've actually thought its been done quite well but there's a time where people just don't want to see someone anymore, that's why people blast Hogan in TNA as well, its the same thing. Say what you want but its Triple H hogging the spotlight yet again, outside of kids who weren't dominated by Triple H and people who will watch WWE no matter what no one wants to see that.

The truth is it really doesn't matter if Triple H is playing his part well, a lot of people just don't want to see that guy on their television, especially over an hour a week when you account for both Raw and Smackdown, that's a lot of Triple H to handle in 7 days. I don't have an issue with Triple H being on TV but it's a lot easier to do when its sporadically, not consistent.
 
When this storyline started, I felt like, "Oh boy, HHH is yet stealing someone else's thunder and is going to bury them in the process." He did this 2 years ago with CM Punk and stalled his momentum for a bit, beating him in a meaningless match at MITB. I personally never liked HHH, I think there is some bitterness on his behalf that all his peers kinda moved on and transcended Sports Entertainment (Rock= megastar, Austin=celebrity status, Foley=award winning author, Taker=untouchable legend status). Out of everyone from the AE, he got left behind. Maybe it's his "love" for the Biz that's kept him in it for so long, who knows? Anyway, at first I didn't like the storyline because I felt it was more about Hunter than DB, but now that the whole roster is somewhat intertwined into this story....this s#&t is getting good!!! The last 3 or 4 weeks have been epic to say the least.

John Cena getting hurt is what turned out to be "BEST FOR BUISNESS". Can you imagine if Cena was on TV? It wouldn't be this good.

I just hope the payoff involves HHH getting what he deserves from Big Show and DB.
 
I agree with asiatic in that I didn't have high hopes for this once HHH got involved, but I think they have really done well with it. Everyone is playing a part in this, and I really don't think it is going to end with HHH stealing anyone's thunder. I have always liked HHH, but I really feel he stalled Punk's momentum in 2011. I thought the same thing was going to happen with Daniel Bryan, but I think they might have moved past that and HHH is really just going to play a supporting role in the whole thing.
 
Personally I do not see anything wrong with Triple H in the picture and he's not the WWE Champion. That already is a step up in my books. But the reason why some people hate on the angle is because they have already seen enough 'H in the spotlight, have already seen "What's Best For Business" play out in perhaps the most drawn out conversation on this forum, The Attitude Era, and once again a multiple WWE Champion is portrayed as an underdog.

I enjoy the product for what it is, but I do wish they would pick up the pace and work on something that isn't Orton vs Bryan because in my honest opinion the angle got stale from the get go. Randy Orton has gone back to being this vicious predator character that didn't work out well the last time he did it, and they have to bring Cody Rhodes's family in to give Cody something to do. It's not very creative, and that's why people are dissing it.

Not to mention the Lifetime movie walking around in the back, getting ordered to punch people.
 
The HHH hate stems back from when won the title and used to cut 20 minute heel promos at the beginning of Raw. The IWC hated it, but, they are SUPPOSED to because he is doing his job. Everything about HHH is perception vs. reality. The perception is that he was this spotlight hungry belt mark that held talent down. HELLO, it's creative's decision about who goes over, not HHH's decision. Period. The reality is that he was Vince's backbone during the worst years of the WWE. They really had NO ONE for a while. Stone Cold was done, Rock was gone, Foley was done, Taker rarely wrestled, Cena wasn't big yet. etc. Who the hell was going to carry the company from a star-power standpoint? NO ONE.

Today, he's just trying to get the angle over by being a heel. Pure and simple. DBry is still over, it's not killing his momentum by not having the title. Enjoy the story, jesus.
 
But the reason why some people hate on the angle is because they have already seen enough 'H in the spotlight

This...

But I need to commend HHH. I dont like him personally but he played his role as heel very well and didnt hog the spotlight as much as I thought he would. :)
 
If people are showing so much dislike for HHH, isn't he doing his job as a heel? I won't sit here and effuse praise for HHH, he's got another DVD coming out that will undoubtably do that. But he's done a nice job of vascilating from a condescending, disingenuous heel to a ruthless bastard, at times. The biggest problem I've noticed?

Under the guise of what's "best for business", he's involved himself far too much in the show for a non-wrestler.

Want to truly build new stars? Give the airtime that he and Stephanie are taking in non-wrestling segments, and spend that time instead building those stars. I know the depth isn't great right now with John Cena hurt, and HHH brings unquestionable star power. But he's seemingly feuding with half the roster, and how are they going to pay that off? He's in a non-wrestling role, yet taking the TV time and then some of an active wrestler. Even when Vince became Mr. McMahon in 1997 and dominated as a heel owner, he still climbed in the ring most PPV's, and often on Raw as well. HHH isn't doing that, he's wearing a suit and emasculating the babyfaces involved in the feud.

It's the role HHH has always played, and he's a great heel. I've never been down much on him, and I'm not being critical of him using his desperately needed star power to help feel a void in Cena's absence. It's what he's not doing that bothers me, mostly. And that's in not having his much needed star power transfer into a wrestling role, where he would be exceptionally valuable right now.

HHH wants to mix it up with the regulars, most of them, in fact, on the mic. It's just that he hasn't backed it up with actions, and has had the Shield fight his battles for him.
 
I think a lot of people are missing the point that they're trying to get Daniel Bryan (and others, such as Big Show and Cody Rhodes) more over.

This storyline is not really about Triple H. In kayfabe, maybe it is, but its logical ending is Daniel Bryan and company triumphing over the evil corporation. Bryan getting screwed over and over again by this passive aggressive douchebag is getting him more and more crowd support, which is the whole idea.

Every great hero needs a great villain, and Randy Orton by himself is not it.
 
If HHH putting Bryan over clean via submission or pinfall is the end payoff and Bryan gets a proper title run, then yes HHH is doing a spectacular role as head heel. If on the other hand he is going to go over Bryan like he did Punk when his idiot mate Nash couldnt compete, then this is yet another Vince/HHH way of saying yep, you little indy guys cannot cut it at the top of the card, and will blame the ratings for this. I am pretty sure that if Bryan beating HHH CLEAN is the end payoff, then ratings will spike and Bryans title reign, with a returning, and hopeful heel, Cena with Punk in the background leads to intriguing storylines in the future
 
What is it that you don't get OP? You might not know this but HHH hate is like 14 years old or something. It's simple..he married into the business and he knows what consequences it got.

Now listen I don't think anyone really have much against HHH as a character. He's undisputed best heel character in the company. He has done it to perfection in the past and taking a different approach now.

Problem starts when we understand that he is a big deal backstage and can get his way. But at the moment no one is a threat to him. He will get WWE after Vince. he is being groomed for that role at the moment. As far I see it I can't see it him burying DB. If anything he is elevating the underdog everyone loves.

WWE already tried to bury DB in 18 seconds which backfired completely. it's good for DB to chase that title for a while. People need to let it play it out. They can bitch all they want but if anything when everything is said and done Db will look like million bucks.

As far as him burying people on TV it should just show how great of a heel he is. He is playing a role now. He knows his role and he knows who needs to get over. I can't see this storyline failing.

This is not 2011 when he did not put over Punk. DB fans just gonna have to deal till they realize this storyline is good and everything is peachy and will end well...unless people backstage really are unable to pull of an underdog story.

As far as Punk...folks I'm a fan but it's time to let it go. Cm Punk doesn't need anyone to put him over. He proved well enough that he put himself over. He is self made(more or less). Sure HHH putting him over might been good idea at the time. But all Punk needed was a mic. I still enjoyed summer of punk as long as it lasted. He still held that ttile for longest time in 25 years or whatever. he is main event who is heere to stay for a while. In the end it's about superstars carving a name for themselves...it's like Austins, Hogans and Rocks where made.
 
Triple H will always have his share of haters for any number of reasons. I'd say the most prominent reason is the refusal by some to accept that his success wasn't handed to him. Left & right, you'll have some pop out of the woodwork and bitch about how Trips is only where he is because he's been banging Stephanie McMahon since she was of legal drinking age. They ignore the fact that the man's pretty damn talented and very good at what he does. They conveniently ignore that he was a founding member of DX, they seem to forget the great feuds & matches he had, and leave out all the memorable moments he was part of during the Attitude Era. Triple H was someone who had the goods to be a major level player in WWE long before he got involved with Stephanie McMahon. If you want an example of being placed in a high profile spot due to familial connections rather than having the ability to justify having it, look at Brooke Hogan's time in TNA.

Triple H in this role has been definitively helping the careers of a number of young guys on the roster; especially Daniel Bryan, all three Shield members and Cody Rhodes. People have been wanting to see Bryan get a major main event singles push and he's getting it. They want to see The Shield kept in a high profile spot with the US & tag titles, they've got it. They want to see Cody Rhodes break on through to that next level in his career, it's looking like he's on his way. Triple H, and Stephanie for that matter, have also helped inject some fresh life & interest into veterans like Goldust and Big Show. Goldust was, pretty much, a nonfactor in WWE, and pretty much all of wrestling for that matter, during the entirety of the 2000s. During his match with Randy Orton on Raw a few weeks back, which was a great showing btw, when was the last time Dustin Rhodes received a pop like that or such interest from fans? When fans rally behind babyfaces in the hopes of seeing the heels ultimately get what's coming to them, because the heels are such pricks, it means the heels are doing their jobs of generating disdain for their characters among the audience. In an age where smarks populate the wrestling landscape and are more interested in putting on their own show rather than suspend disbelief, what Triple H & Stephanie have been able to do as heels the past 6 weeks or so has been great.

I think another problem that some have, not all but some, is one that's become pretty common among internet fans: The "they're not doing everything I want 'em to do or the way I want it done" and/or "things aren't moving fast enough" complaints. In some aspects of the angle, metaphorically speaking, WWE probably zigged while some fans felt vehemently that they should have zagged. Because of that, they piss & moan about it with some using Triple H's presence in the storyline as a scapegoat or complain that the storyline isn't progressing quickly enough. If it went any faster, then you'd have some of the same fans and dirtsheet writers complaining that WWE is rushing through things and not giving it enough time to get fleshed out.

I don't think the angle is perfect or anything, I do believe that Trips is sometimes involved too much. We don't have to see him in half a dozen segments, but that's not nearly enough for me to spew hate all over the angle because his presence isn't hindering it in my opinion.
 
Everyone cries whenever an established star either comes back into the picture, or gets put in the spotlight; like they should just go off and die.

Wrestling is about two things: draw power, and fan reaction. HHH has done both for a long time now (ever since DX; his Blue Blood gimmick was <york>) He is the guy you should love to hate. His persona is the guy who gets and has everything and it goes his way. That is the schtick. People clamoring that wrestler bury one another is BS. You either draw or you don't. If all these baby faces were so good, they'd still be pushed.

Do you think people looked at Andre and said "man, that guy's a prick; he always wins and never lets anyone get over." NO. Because he was supposed to win. He was the biggest sumbit out there. The sad thing IMO is guys like Show and Henry not being allowed to be the Immovable Object. They should have been billed from the get go as brick houses; and kept that way. Sure, they'd lose; but the losses would mean something. Not a boxing match with a middle weight. Mayweather can't even knock out guys his size. But i digress. What truly buries guys is programs like that that don't make sense. That aren't able to be carried for months, and come back years later. In five years, we could see Rhodes/Orton at WM, and it would make sense.

HHH being on TV isn't the problem. The problem is his persona cannot be a doucher one segment, and then cool guy another. McMahon knows the blueprint, he was the epitome of the evil unfair owner.

don't hate The Game.
 
what Triple H & Stephanie have been able to do as heels the past 6 weeks or so has been great.

You lost me at this sentence. Sure, I know HHH and Stephanie are supposed to be heels, and in general they act like it. Then they go ahead and do shit like talking shit to Paul Heyman. They make 11 on 3 matches where the 3 are heels. They don't rig it so Randy Orton gets the belt back almost immediately after stripping DB of it. Nope, instead Stephanie chewed his ass out. Sure, they might cheat to give the belt back to Orton at Battleground. Sure, we might find out HHH rigged it so if the ref knew DB was going to win he'd do a fast count. That doesn't change the fact that they currently appear to be more impartial dicks than biased heels.

I don't have a problem with HHH. And before I joined the IWC I had no idea about his politicking and other bs that people like to bash him for. He's still one of my favorite characters because he's generally a badass and can have really fun matches. That doesn't mean that I can't admit his faults. And his current fault is the execution of his role on TV right now. He's not an effective heel right now. He's just a general douchebag to everyone, including heels.
 
You lost me at this sentence. Sure, I know HHH and Stephanie are supposed to be heels, and in general they act like it. Then they go ahead and do shit like talking shit to Paul Heyman. They make 11 on 3 matches where the 3 are heels. They don't rig it so Randy Orton gets the belt back almost immediately after stripping DB of it. Nope, instead Stephanie chewed his ass out. Sure, they might cheat to give the belt back to Orton at Battleground. Sure, we might find out HHH rigged it so if the ref knew DB was going to win he'd do a fast count. That doesn't change the fact that they currently appear to be more impartial dicks than biased heels.

I don't have a problem with HHH. And before I joined the IWC I had no idea about his politicking and other bs that people like to bash him for. He's still one of my favorite characters because he's generally a badass and can have really fun matches. That doesn't mean that I can't admit his faults. And his current fault is the execution of his role on TV right now. He's not an effective heel right now. He's just a general douchebag to everyone, including heels.
Maybe thats the point is to avoid being the cool heel where he gets cheered by the section of the crowd that always cheers for the heel
 
I think a lot of people are missing the point that they're trying to get Daniel Bryan (and others, such as Big Show and Cody Rhodes) more over.
Based upon the precipitous drop in viewership, I'd say it isn't working thus-far. And perhaps I simply don't like storylines featuring authority figures and dominant heel stables, but I've seen it as a story that's emasculated the men you mentioned. Not only that, but by a woman in Stephanie McMahon, who hasn't wrestled since an "I Quit match ten years ago, and her husband HHH, who wrestles 1-2 matches a year.

Yet they've gotten more air time than the wrestlers they're "attempting" o get over. That's been my biggest gripe.


This storyline is not really about Triple H. In kayfabe, maybe it is, but its logical ending is Daniel Bryan and company triumphing over the evil corporation. Bryan getting screwed over and over again by this passive aggressive douchebag is getting him more and more crowd support, which is the whole idea.
What if Bryan doesn't win this feud? You can almost sense that HHH means it when he calls Bryan a B+ player. And yes, the crowd is supporting Bryan now, but they won't stay behind him if he continues to win, only to be screwed that night or the night after by HHH.

Every great hero needs a great villain, and Randy Orton by himself is not it.

The Orton we're getting now, you mean? Absolutely a great villain. He's ruthless, relentless, and his attacks on Miz, Bryan, and RVD the past 3 weeks have been brutal for PG television. His scenes backstage with the Bellas make him look like a mysogonistic jerk, and are plain uncomfortable to watch because Orton is playing up the arrogance so well.

How exactly is he not being a great villian right now?
 
For years, people enjoyed having Vince McMahon show up on-screen. He was the ultimate authority figure in WWE and whether he was a major part of the proceedings (during the Attitude Era) or just an occasional presence to hand down some policy or punishment, fans seemed to get a bang out of it.

Triple H is simply Vince's replacement. If life mirrors art, this will be so in the running of the whole company, somewhere down the line. For now, Trips is handing down pronouncements and being included in the act.

But don't mistake "hate" for Triple H as opposed to Paul Levesque. If people are disapproving of what his character is doing.....that's fine. That they're displaying a reaction to him is just what the company wants, whether positive or negative.

I don't think there's anything wrong with Triple H. If it's true that USA network wants to see more of the First Family, this is a great way to get it done.
 
I like Triple H as a character but some of the past stuff he has done like defeating CM Punk back in 2011, when he was on a hot streak was bad business IMO. I worry that he will do the same thing to Daniel Bryan and destroy his momentum which would be bad business also.

As long as Triple H does not start putting himself over and beating stars that he has no business beating, I am OK with that.
 
I think that Triple H has done a great job thus far. He has had turn heel and garner heat and has done so very well. However, he hasn't become dull and is ensuring that Bryan looks like the underdog. I have never understood why people dislike Triple H. As Jack-Hammer pointed out; he is talented and would have succeeded regardless of him banging Steph. Heel, Face, Dx, Evolution he was fantastic.

Ultimately, Triple H will lose a match to Daniel Bryan. That has to happen yet people will claim that he "buried" him - another aspect about Triple H that people exaggerate about.
 
Because HHH has the propensity to fuck up things like these. Whenever HHH is a heel against an up-and-coming face, 9 times out of 10 he ends up bucking the program and putting himself unnecessarily over. Now this is not me bashing: I actually really love HHH's role and place in this story, and I also enjoy Stephanie's to a lesser extent. But history has proven that this has a very high probability of ruining Bryan. This is a list, off the top of my head (no wiki) of HHH ruining similar angles:

Kane (Katie Vick/Title Unification), RVD (Unforgiven 2003), Booker T (WM 19), Randy Orton (Randy's defection from Evolution & 1st world title reign), CM Punk (Night of Champions 2011), Umaga (You could literally pick any match between the two, same thing every time), and if I cared to use Google I could find lots more. Putting over Shelton and Batista does not balance out this long ass list.

Chances are I'm wrong and HHH, as COO, puts Business first and lets goatface do his thing, but there's always that underlying thought of HHH standing over Bryan in the end that God forbid we may end up seeing.
 

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