We love you Dolph but alter your moveset!!

[Prince Vee]

Not anyone of us can simply hate or even dislike Doplh Ziggler. He's one of the solid workers in the industry and he never disappoints with his matches. He sells so well perhaps better than anyone. But take a moment to think about this Mateys; aren't you getting tired of his movesets?

When he fights with the guys taller his size, it is pretty obvious that he never ever connects with the Jumping DDT. For god's sake I'm starting to hate it whenever it happens.

It isn't a matter of size but I hardly seen him getting connected with the Famouser. Its not a bad move. It probably is better than 5 Knuckle Shuffle but he never is connecting with it and the camera is screwing things up by showing it obviously.

I love when he uses the Superkick + Zig Zag combo. It looks so cool but just the Zig Zag, it looks like one other move yeah.

Don't assume yourself that I don't like Dolph. I'm a fan of him. But don't you think the same way as I do?

 

[Messiah]

I hate Dolph Ziggler so that first statement is wrong.. Saying no one can hate a certain wrestler is ignorant.. Every WWE Superstar/diva has some haters whether you like it or not. Every one of them, no exceptions.

I'd much rather if Dolph left WWE like he's rumored to when his contract expires.

 

[Mustang Sally]

Don't assume yourself that I don't like Dolph. I'm a fan of him. But don't you think the same way as I do?

I still enjoy watching him, but that's more appreciation for the effort he puts into each and every match. No matter what a person's field, it's a pleasure to see someone work so hard and benefit because of it.

That said, I would take Dolph's moveset and reclassify it as a flopset. A certain amount of flopping is acceptable, of course; selling your opponent's maneuvers will naturally entail some ......but Dolph has taken it to an art form.....and not all art forms are appealing. He takes so much punishment in a match that it seems his victories come only by accident since he spends so much of each match allowing his body to be tossed around the ring like a sack of flour.

It seems management has finally decided to stop trying to make Dolph into a main eventer. I believe he's more suited to battle other midcard performers like Wade Barrett; the two make entertaining contests. Also, Dolph should serve as a stepping stone for up & comers, as he did last night against Kevin Owens. That's where Dolph does his best work.

But as I say, I like him. I might dredge up some hate for a guy who half-asses his matches and gets the job done with a minimum of effort........but that sure ain't Dolph Ziggler.

 

[AustinHartLesnarHBKTaz80]

I dont see what the all the infatuation is with Dolph Ziggler in the IWC. He doesnt really blow me away with any of his matches. I cannot remember a memorable match from him whatsoever. He doesnt really stand out from the rest of the pack. Hell, IMO, even The Miz is a more entertaining character right now than Ziggler (although Ziggler is better in the ring).

And yeah, that zig zag is a horrible finisher. Doesnt look devastating at all. His jumping ddt looks more brutal than a damn zig zag. And quit using a 'fame-asser.' Why?? Cuz you look like Billy Gunn?? That move sucks!!

 

[stonerfriendlykid]

I like all of his moves to be honest. The Zig Zag isn't the greatest finisher of all times but it suits Ziggler and he can pull it off pretty well most of the time. I was actually irritated that none of the announcers even called the Zig Zag that Ziggler did to Sheamus off the ladder at MITB.

 

[Prince Vee]

I like all of his moves to be honest. The Zig Zag isn't the greatest finisher of all times but it suits Ziggler and he can pull it off pretty well most of the time. I was actually irritated that none of the announcers even called the Zig Zag that Ziggler did to Sheamus off the ladder at MITB.

Because it doesn't look like a Zig Zag. I was anticipating it and looking excited but it was more like Dolph just pushed Sheamus off the ladder by his shoulders and accidentally fell down in the process. I'm glad that Michael Cole didn't make a bloody scream like "Oh My God! ZIG ZAG OFF THE LADDER". Thank god coz it doesn't look like one.

Cheers!!

 

[multiverseman.com]

Speak for yourself as far as the first part. I think Dolph Ziggler is a clown and really always have. I oversells and he wrestles like he's trying out for the gymnastics team rather than engaging in a fight. He's Billy Gunn with less wrestling intelligence. I think he needs to alter more than his moveset. He needs to alter his career choices.

 

[OYDK]

"We" love you Dolph? That we certainly doesn't include me. I'm meh on Dolph Ziggler... sometimes I can get behind him, but more often than not, I'm in the bathroom taking a leak when he's on my TV. He needs to alter more than his moveset. He needs to alter a lot because he hasn't improved at all in the past 4 years or so. He's stationary, which makes him boring in my book.

 

[Navi]

I like Ziggler. He's pretty solid in the ring and I find him very entertaining to watch. Sally is right though, his moveset should be called a "flopset", and I don't think we've watched one of his matches where my son didn't say "Oh so and so just killed Ziggler".

In saying that though, he can take a bump, oversells just a little too much, but he's not boring. And being not boring is a big plus for me.

 

[Poop Master Flex]

Personally there are so many things about him that drive me up the wall and his in ring performance is the biggest part of it. He's a hard worker, he can put on a decent performance but his moveset is just infuriating, Sally calling it a "flopset" is as apt of a description that I can give it and his selling is even worse, so many times he looks like a fish when someone hits a big move.

He seems like the kind of guy that could do so much better if he slows down a little bit in the ring and gets a little more snug with his working. He's a hard working performer but he's not much of a realistic performer, he's not the type of worker who can really pull you in with their performance and buy into the match(sans his concussion match with Del Rio). He does cool things but he needs to stop trying to do cool things and start doing things in the ring that just make sense (which can be said about far too many performers these days).

 

[Messiah]

Speak for yourself as far as the first part. I think Dolph Ziggler is a clown and really always have. I oversells and he wrestles like he's trying out for the gymnastics team rather than engaging in a fight. He's Billy Gunn with less wrestling intelligence. I think he needs to alter more than his moveset. He needs to alter his career choices.

He needs to be fully repackaged, his look, his moves, everything.. He's so bland and boring nowadays.

 

[Paige's Side Piece]

Smh build someone up just to hate them. What is wrong with his moveset. Everybody does the same moves night in and night out. This is the WWE style of wrestling where it's more storytelling in the ring rather than on the indies where it's move after move. Changing his moveset will do nothing but add another move that won't put his opponent away.

 

[MartialHorror]

He sells so well perhaps better than anyone. But take a moment to think about this Mateys; aren't you getting tired of his movesets?

Eh, I think Ziggler is prone to a strange combination of overselling and underselling. He'll act like certain attacks have just broken his body, but then will immediately be on his feet, perfectly fine. I was beginning to like Ziggler around Survivor Series, but he completely lost me when he got chokeslammed by the Big Show and like 10 seconds later was strong enough to land a Zig Zag.

 

[Soulblazed]

I like Ziggler..I think that he could use the Superkick as one of his finishers..I also always thought that Ziggler should use the Top Rope Fameasser Cena uses(obviously he won't use it since Cena uses it, but nonetheless), instead of the Billy Gunn Fameasser..Reason being-Ziggler always talks about showing off, etc, hence why not use the Top Rope Fameasser.

Also, I think that if Dolph left the WWE, he could either goto Lucha Underground, New Japan or AAA and that way he'd be able to reinvent himself and learn things from different wrestlers he's never wrestled before...It'd be a great change of pace for him and maybe he'd wrestle his matches using more psychology.

 

[Woodstuff]

Not anyone of us can simply hate or even dislike Doplh Ziggler. He's one of the solid workers in the industry and he never disappoints with his matches. He sells so well perhaps better than anyone. But take a moment to think about this Mateys; aren't you getting tired of his movesets?

When he fights with the guys taller his size, it is pretty obvious that he never ever connects with the Jumping DDT. For god's sake I'm starting to hate it whenever it happens.

It isn't a matter of size but I hardly seen him getting connected with the Famouser. Its not a bad move. It probably is better than 5 Knuckle Shuffle but he never is connecting with it and the camera is screwing things up by showing it obviously.

I love when he uses the Superkick + Zig Zag combo. It looks so cool but just the Zig Zag, it looks like one other move yeah.

Don't assume yourself that I don't like Dolph. I'm a fan of him. But don't you think the same way as I do?

Remember 2 years ago? Back when everyone loved the feisty up-and-comer Dolph Ziggler, and cried out for him to be pushed as a regular character on TV? Can't say it surprises me that everyone's decided he needs to change it up now that he's being used regularly lol

As far as his move set goes, it suits him perfectly. He's a flashy high flying guy, and his moves reflect that. The Superkick, the DDT, the Zig Zag ect all look impressive, and that's what Ziggler needs. Impressive looking moves that come out of no-where and could turn the tide of a match ('cause Ziggler usually plays the fall guy for the first half of his matches). The Jumping DDT doesn't look like it hurts? The Famouser doesn't connect when he uses it? Well too bad, this is pro wrestling. If you're old enough to spot these things, it's time to either suspend your belief and enjoy the show or stop watching and quit posting on sites like this.

 

[Softcore Holly]

Eh, I think Ziggler is prone to a strange combination of overselling and underselling. He'll act like certain attacks have just broken his body, but then will immediately be on his feet, perfectly fine. I was beginning to like Ziggler around Survivor Series, but he completely lost me when he got chokeslammed by the Big Show and like 10 seconds later was strong enough to land a Zig Zag.

To be fair everyone kinda does that. Last Sunday for example Ambrose was hoping around on 1 leg one minute the next he's running and jumping around perfectly fine. Or the much more common example one minute the underdog face looks totally dead on the mat after the heel's been beating him down the whole match but kicking out of a pin somehow supercharges them to victory. Yes underselling feels dumb when it happens but it's hardly exclusive to Dolph.

 

[Aquaman6686]

I'm a huge fan of Dolph Ziggler, but I dislike the Zig Zag. It's increasing his risk of getting another concussion, since half the time he lands on his head instead of his back. I'd like if he once again used the sleeper hold as his primary finisher, and upgrade the superkick to his secondary finisher.

 

[Hollywood Naitch]

I think Ziggler is a valuable member of the roster and a solid mid-card hand, but that's it. For some reason, and I dont know what that is, I've just never been able to buy into him as a legitimate main-event talent. Perhaps it is his moveset?

The ZigZag has never impressed me as a finishing move, it just doesn't look devastating at all. Neither does the Fameasser (I always hated that, it's so rarely landed in a way that looks painful). I'd prefer to see Dolph use the Superkick as his main finisher, but also develop some kind of "slam" or "driver" type move which actually looks like it could do some damage.

Also, I do think he needs to change his look a bit. I'd get rid of all the bright pinks and blues, and have him coming to the ring dressed in a suit and shades, with his hair slicked back in a modern style instead of his out of date Curt Hennig curls. He could still talk about being the show off- but doing it more in a Ric Flair, Horsemen, or Evolution style with the expensive watches suits and cars.

 

[Prince Vee]

He's a flashy high flying guy, and his moves reflect that.

He's a high flyer? When did he show that to you? Being in the lightweight category doesn't mean he's a high flyer. The only move I've ever seen him done from the top rope is "Rough Ryder" which obviously is Zack Ryder's finisher. He had barely used body splash, cross body, missile dropkick or topè or even the suicide dive. And he has never uses the Springboard. Don't call him a high flyer please.

The Jumping DDT doesn't look like it hurts? The Famouser doesn't connect when he uses it? Well too bad, this is pro wrestling. If you're old enough to spot these things, it's time to either suspend your belief and enjoy the show or stop watching and quit posting on sites like this.

And I never meant that the Jumping DDT seem to hurt. The problem is when he connects it with big like for instance, Kane, his head was almost 1 feet away from hitting the floor and the camera obviously shows that and yeah Michael Cole on commentary was like "Kane goes face first onto the mat!" For God shake his head was 1 feet from touching the ground!! Either he should stop using the move or the cameras should do a decent job to hide it.

Cheers!!

 

[Kayq]

WWE stars these days abandon some of their moves for no reason. 4-5 years ago Dolph had many great moves in his move-set. The Fireman's carry gutbuster (Darren Young's finisher now), Fireman's carry Takeover, Sit-out facebuster, Snap powerslam, German suplex, Invert powerslam ... Don't know why he stop using these moves...

List of abandonned moves by wrestlers, comeone need to make a topic about this...
_ Orton: Threz press, Elevated neckbreaker, ...
_ Cena: Gutwrench suplex, Fisherman suplex, Emerald Flowsion, and the Half nelson lifting neckbreaker he used in 2013... At leas the added some good moves this year.
_ CM Punk: Butterfly backbreaker, Pepsi Twist, Falcon Arrow, the kickboxing combo, Bulldog, Snap Powerslam,...
_ Wade Barrett: Pumphandle drop
_ Sheamus: Inverted backbreaker, Rolling fireman's carry slam...
_ Batista: Almost all of his moves, His last run all the moves he did are Spear, Spinebuster and his powerbomb. He used to had an amazing moveset in the past.
_ Jericho: just like Batista, almost all of his old moves too...
(more)

Cesaro is the only superstar I know added many moves to his move-set and not take out his old moves...

I don't see any reason why they take out those moves out of their move-set...
My first long post

 

[TheLittleOne]

my biggest problem watching dolph is everytime i watch him perform, every offensive maneuver he does looks like it hurts himself MUCH more than his opponent.

Also the whole idea / phrase of " steaing the show" just doesnt click with me for a wrestler.. you shouldn't care how good your match is.. you should want to win, want money, want fame, want glory, want power, want more money, want women, but a good.. a Great wrestler should want to win his match in five seconds using a schoolboy.

but its his thing.. just dont believe it, he doesnt help me suspend my disbelief. dont get me wrong, i still hope he succeeds and changes.. i'm rooting for him to become better and a bigger draw.

i say, heel turn is needed. maybe a random beatdown on us champ cena or ic champ ryback after a tag match. and demand to be taken as a threat.
i did enjoy that run w/ Big E & AJ.. that ended too quick.

 

[Aquaman6686]

Also the whole idea / phrase of " steaing the show" just doesnt click with me for a wrestler.. you shouldn't care how good your match is.. you should want to win, want money, want fame, want glory, want power, want more money, want women, but a good.. a Great wrestler should want to win his match in five seconds using a schoolboy.

but its his thing.. just dont believe it, he doesnt help me suspend my disbelief.

I couldn't disagree more with this. This makes ABSOLUTELY no sense. A wrestler who is only in it for the money shouldn't be in the business. And actually WANTING a wrestler who's only in it for the money makes even less sense.

 

[MartialHorror]

I couldn't disagree more with this. This makes ABSOLUTELY no sense. A wrestler who is only in it for the money shouldn't be in the business. And actually WANTING a wrestler who's only in it for the money makes even less sense.

I think the emphasis should be 'I want to win', whether it's for pride, money or ethical values. It seems like much of Ziggler's characterization is purely meta, hanging out on that fourth wall. I don't mind it, honestly, primarily because I find Ziggler- personality, not match quality- to be dull and that gives him a little bit of flavor.

On this topic, I was watching Ziggler fight Kevin Owens and laughed when his Zig Zag seemed to do just as much damage on himself. Is it becoming a gimmick that he accidentally kicks the crap out of himself? That actually sounds kinda funny. But it makes Ziggler look like an idiot. And in true Ziggler fashion, the psychology was bungled. It didn't even look like he landed on the back of his head. Why wouldn't they have just made Ziggler look too exhausted to go for the pin immediately?

Don't know why I decided to go on this Ziggler rant. I don't think he's bad or anything, but I will always be baffled when confronted with the IWC's love for him. But there is no denying that the fans adore him and he deserves some sort of push for that reason alone. At least his moveset is still better than Naomi's.

 

[Mustang Sally]

At least his moveset is still better than Naomi's.

And his butt is smaller.

Still, I feel the fan's 'love' for him is based on how hard he works. If you watch the fans at ringside on your TV, they're looking at any direction but the ring while classic wrestling holds are being applied. Ever notice? They're watching Dolph Ziggler, though, because he's flying all over the ring, never standing still.....never a dull moment. I don't appreciate all his flopping but can certainly see why so many fans in the arena do.

On one level, I'd like to see him alter his moveset and ring style.....but on the other hand, it could be that's all he's got, and without it, fans might not have interest in him at all.

Making out with Lana in ring center won't get it done.

 

[Jeff Deliverer of Mail]

Once he's done with the Rusev story, he should turn into a major heel with dyed black hair and white ring gear. He should drop the fame asser and zig zag and try something else, both moves just suck. Then go after Ryback for the title.