WCW Region, Third Round, Ultimate Submission:(2) Andre The Giant vs. (10) Verne Gagne

Who Wins This Match?

  • Andre The Giant

  • Verne Gagne


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This is a third round match in the WCW Region. It is an ultimate submission match. It will be held at the Georgia Dome in Atlanta, Georgia.



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Rules: The winner of the match is the competitor with the most submission victories in thirty minutes.

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#2. Andre the Giant

Vs.

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#10. Verne Gagne



This match takes place one week following the second round.

Polls will be open for four days following a one day period for discussion. Voting will be based on who you feel is the greater of the two competitors. Post your reasons for why your pick should win below. Remember that this is non-spam and the most votes in the poll win. Any ties will be broken by the amount of posts of support for each candidate, with one vote per poster.

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Oh. Fuck. Yes.

I was honestly resigned to Gagne going out this round. Don't get me wrong, he was so much better than Andre as to be laughable, but super heavyweight bias always makes the giant near impossible to beet if you're an average sized man.

This gimmick however should give Gagne a complete free pass into the next round.

Lou Thesz said:
I didn't think I'd have much trouble with him. But he fooled me. He looks small, but actually he's stronger than most big wrestlers. His smooth muscles are very deceiving.
And does he know how to wrestle? Wow! He has the best liming and leverage of any wrestler I know. And as for pure guts, he'll die before he gives up.
He's very smart in the ring, fast and aggressive. If there are any better contenders around than he is I just hope I have a very good night when I have to meet them in the ring.

If Verne Gagne isn't the greatest submission wrestler of all time, he's undoubtedly in the top five. He has literally thousands of submission victories to his name, his technical prowess was so immense that he was considered for the US Olympic team and Lou Thesz called him his greatest ever opponent. There are maybe half a dozen man in the history of the world who could stand toe to toe with Gagne, and Andre certainly isn't one of them.

Ultimate submission matches, more so than any other type of match, tend to take place on the mat, which is the one place where Andre's size ceases to be advantageous and instead becomes a liability. Andre was a dominant power house, and were he looking for pinfalls he'd stand a reasonable chance, but he was never able to go hold for hold.

Then there's the question of conditioning. Gagne was used to going sixty minutes multiple times a week and was considered obsessive in his training routine even by his contemporaries. Going all out for thirty minutes is not going to strain his cardio, but the same cannot be said for the giant. Even before he became thoroughly overweight (which was incidentally when he was at his most dominant) Andre was never knows for his longevity. Against an opponent as fast and well conditioned as Gagne, Andre will be gassing long before the match nears its conclusion. Then you have to considered that Gagne's favourite method to win matches was a sleeper hold and what you end up with is one totally worn down giant.

Andre is bigger, stronger and heavier... if only any of those factors mattered here.

Gagne is faster, better conditioned and a better technician... pretty much the three most important qualities in an ultimate submission match. He was also a bigger draw, a bigger star and left a much bigger legacy on the world of professional wresting, if that's your idea of a good time.

Vote Gagne because it's pretty much the only option.
 
Hmmm... Andre has one Submission on his record that I am aware of, to Antonio Inoki on a supercard before his run in the WWE. But that is one submission. I know Andre isn't a mat technician but there is nothing to stop him throwing Gagne around the ring like a rag doll, then standing on his back or something until he taps out.

I dunno... this is a tight one. I know the stip advantages Gagne but this is Andre the freaking giant.

I will wait a while before I vote I don't know which was to go.
 
Hmmm... Andre has one Submission on his record that I am aware of, to Antonio Inoki on a supercard before his run in the WWE. But that is one submission. I know Andre isn't a mat technician but there is nothing to stop him throwing Gagne around the ring like a rag doll, then standing on his back or something until he taps out.

Wow, one submission win in a career that spanned decades. [sarcasm]How impressive. Truely Verne, a man who won matches by tapout by the boatload is stands no chance against this titan.[/sarcasm]

Seriously? You're making the argument that Andre would get more submissions in one match than he did in his entire career? No, he wouldn't for two reasons. Gagne wouldn't tap, anything Andre could conceivably do to him to make him tap, Gagne will have taken worse from Thesz and not tapped. And second, he's not going to just fucking lie there and let Andre sit on him or get ragdolled. He's an olympic class wrestler. Brute force isn't going to beat him.

I dunno... this is a tight one. I know the stip advantages Gagne but this is Andre the freaking giant.

And he's facing Verne freaking Gagne. Your point?

I will wait a while before I vote I don't know which was to go.

Gagne would win. Therefore you should vote Gagne. Simples.
 
Submission match? Really?!

In an ideal world, you'd want to go with the bigger guy. Andre's transcended the word 'big' for God knows how many decades. He's the most agile Giant in history and was very serviceable in the ring. But a submission master he was not.

Verne Gagne was an OLYMPIAN at Greco-Roman Wrestling. Gagne's specialty was tying people up in a knot and making them say 'uncle'. And even if Gagne could get Andre in ONE submission, it'd be enough to win against a man who's never used a submission move in his career.

Advantage. Gagne.
 
Nope sorry I'm not buying it. If this was Gagne against anyone else I could conceivably see him winning but the size difference here really is too much. Andre has a height advantage of 1ft 5 inches, he's more than double Gagne's weight, he's stronger and he's going to throw Gagne around like a ragdoll the moment the little guy tried to apply any submission.
This argument that Andre is going to get tired is also a nonsense as the guy went 60 minutes with Harley Hace.
 
Gagne is roughly the same height and weight as Inoki, and he was able to make Andre tap easily enough. He's roughly the same height and weight as Canek, who was able to manhandle Andre without trouble. If you'd actually watched Ander's longer matches then you'd know that there is no way in fuck he could survive that long wrestling Gagne's pace.

The argument that Andre is big therefore he wins is ******ed. He's going against a faster, better conditioned, in batter shape and infinitely more skilled submission specialist in a submission match. The fact that anyone is even trying to argue this boggles the mind.
 
The only submission I could see Andre using to win a match is a bearhug. That's pretty much all he'd be capable of. Knowing this, Gagne wouldn't leave himself open to getting wrapped up by Andre and thus gives himself an incredible advantage.

In a submission match, the most important thing is match knowledge. Very few are better than Gagne in this regard and I can't imagine him losing a match that plays right into his specialty. Gagne wins this.
 
Andre might as well just not show up for this match unless he wants to get stretched out and possibly tear a few muscles. I read someone say 'Andre wont get tired he went 60 minutes before'. Well I bet his hand gets tired from tapping out so much.


Seriously Gagne lucked out with this match. He will take some lumps, but Andre will fall. Once the big guy is down, Gagne will make him tap quite a few times. This wont even be close. Andre limps home and Gagne moves on to round 4.
 
I was thinking "the only way Gagne will win is if it is on a ladder". Well, I forgot about the ultimate submission match, clearly. To put it bluntly wrestling for an hour would be difficult for Andre. I'm sure he's done it on occasion, but Gagne was from a period where people wrestled submission style wrestling for an hour 300 nights a year.

Normally people who are badly conditioned leave the ring for a breather in long matches - I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to in an ultimate submissions match. The fact of the matter is, Gagne is definitely a decent enough wrestler to survive the onslaught, and then take advantage later.

Bearing in mind that his prime was in about 1955, he had no trouble beating Crusher Blackwell (weight - 485 lbs and an unfairly forgotten man. Had he been in WWF, I don't doubt he'd have had the Bundy spot at WrestleMania 2) at the age of 56 in 1982. I'm not saying he'd beat Andre in a similar manner - he'd be much younger for a start - but he is able to avoid the onslaught. As a youngster, rather than doing a weird move and pin combo, he'd just start to work on him.


I can't see any way Andre would win this one, to be honest.
 
I would have to go with Andre here, he is the bigger guy and honestly I don't see him tapping out to gagne
Andre wins.
 
This is simple, as Gelgarin has already pointed out numerous times.

Verne Gagne is a submission specialist, good enough to be considered for the OLYMPIC team. He won countless matches by submission, and even Andre The Giant would have to tap out if Gagne locked a hold in.

In a regular match, Andre's size is a major advantage, but if Gagne can keep him grounded, and he would, he would come out on top in a match that suits him perfectly. Better conditioning, better submission skills = victory in this one.

Winner: Verne Gagne
 
What joke. You guys have your noses so far up Gelgarin's ass that you refuse to look at this logically.

So just because Andre didn't win many matches by submission during nearly his two decades of complete dominance (15 years this man was undefeated), that automatically means he doesn't know how to win a match with a submission? Really?

Come on, now. You have to believe that if Andre simply knocked Gange down and then stood on his hand and not move, there is not a thing Verne Gange could have done other than fucking tap out.

Andre was a monster, and there are very few who could ever take him down. In his prime, no one did. What makes Verne so special? Because he was an Olympic wrestler and was champion for many years of a company he ran and booked. Seriously? The guy couldn't make it in the NWA (his title win was an absolute joke), so he started his own company and made himself champion. This is the guy you want to vote over Andre the Giant, one of the biggest draws and most dominant wrestlers in history. Again... seriously?
 
JMT, you're just about like the only person I've seen in this tournament who isn't full of shit when it comes to a lot of these old guys, with your head shoved up their asses. Thank you for being realistic and shit dude.

What joke. You guys have your noses so far up Gelgarin's ass that you refuse to look at this logically.

Yeah I agree. It's fucking pathetic. Why argue otherwise when you can nod your head in agreement, shoving your head up someones ass in hopes of approval, and not have to have an actual opinion you might have to defend?

So just because Andre didn't win many matches by submission during nearly his two decades of complete dominance (15 years this man was undefeated), that automatically means he doesn't know how to win a match with a submission? Really?

I've been just as baffled as you playa. Andre DID often do that whole trapezium squeeze which worked a lot like a submission, and with his gigantor hands I can't even imagine the amount of pain he could inflict. Probably enough to make a much smaller man like Gagne quit while he's writhing in pain.

Come on, now. You have to believe that if Andre simply knocked Gange down and then stood on his hand and not move, there is not a thing Verne Gange could have done other than fucking tap out.

And I'm saying, what exactly do a lot of these people think Gange is going to be able to do PERIOD? Even Hogan, who could fold up Gange like a fucking accordion himself made note that if Andre decided he didn't want to let you win or do anything to him for that matter, it just wasn't happenin', and that's not some overblown bullshit from someone trying to kiss his ass, it's just the truth. Andre could probably break your arm with his bare hands, snap it like a twig, and I'm willing to bet you quit at that point.

Andre was a monster, and there are very few who could ever take him down. In his prime, no one did.

Ahhhhhh, Someone who gets it. Yeah, I don't get the mental fucking hold up with these people. What in your right mind would make you think for a second that a guy like Andre The Giant is going to get dominated and out wrestled by a guy who would be wearing thigh high boots if he put on Andres? Here's a tough reality for the shit for brains people that seem to have trouble comprehending reality. SIZE MATTERS. Not in every case, but in this one it certainly does. I don't think a lot you can even comprehend just what kind of advantage and how overwhelming the size of Andre is/was.

What makes Verne so special? Because he was an Olympic wrestler and was champion for many years of a company he ran and booked. Seriously? The guy couldn't make it in the NWA (his title win was an absolute joke), so he started his own company and made himself champion. This is the guy you want to vote over Andre the Giant, one of the biggest draws and most dominant wrestlers in history. Again... seriously?

I made this exact case in a previous match that Gagne shouldn't have won, but I was just a fuckin' idiot apparently because I stated the God's honest truth and fanboys didn't like it.

What makes anyone think Gagne's amateur wrestling would amount to dick against Andre? You think Andre is gonna get down on all fours and mat wrestle the fucker? You think he's going to cooperate with him? Fuck No. He's not going to let him do a god damn thing, and he can do that because he's just so damn big, so damn strong, and BTW a bigger deal than Gagne could ever even fabricate himself to be. Gagne could TRY all that shit he cares to, but you can't move mountains and you can't move Andre unless he lets you. And, as far as this being a submission match and Andre not having many submission victories. Did it ever occur to anyone that-that could possibly be because he never had to make anyone submit? He didn't need to, he just beat people, PERIOD. In the event that he did need to like this situation here, what in Gods green Earth makes anyone think he couldn't impose his will and make Gagne submit in any number of ways? You could create a whole laundry list of ways that he could twist, mangle, stretch, tear, and torture Gagne until his eyeballs popped out of his head or his body and will simply gave out.

Don't be Stupiditarded, use your common fucking sense, and vote for Andre.
 
So just because Andre didn't win many matches by submission during nearly his two decades of complete dominance (15 years this man was undefeated), that automatically means he doesn't know how to win a match with a submission? Really?

Same logic I'd apply to Kane vs William Regal in a submission match. Andre never demonstrated any submission aptitude, whereas Gagne did. There's also the whole Akira Maeda mess where a guy not much bigger than Gagne legitimately kicked Andre's ass so badly he lay down to let his opponent pin him in a match he was booked to win. Andre's big but someone who knows what they're doing can beat him up to the point of surrender. Gagne has the credentials to do that.

Come on, now. You have to believe that if Andre simply knocked Gange down and then stood on his hand and not move, there is not a thing Verne Gange could have done other than fucking tap out.

Actually there is. It's called not tapping out. An option exercised by Stone Cold in his submission match against Bret Hart. I point you in the direction of Gelgarin's post. Specifically the part where he quotes Thesz saying that Gagne wouldn't tap out full stop.

Andre would either stay sitting there while Gagne doesn't tap, or he gives it up as a bad job and tries (and fails) to do something else to get the win.

Andre was a monster, and there are very few who could ever take him down. In his prime, no one did.

Akira Maeda. Legitimately, undeniably, definitively. Or was 1986 not in Andre's prime?
 
Why do people keep talking about an hour? According to the OP this match is 30 minutes. The idea that Andre could not do a submission is ridiculous. I see the normal let us bring up the two matches that Andre lost in 10 plus years has happened. None of those matches happened in the US which is where this match will be taking place. It certainly isn't the best match type for Andre but it is still a wrestling match (I have it on good authority Gagne lost an ultimate submission match to an ursus arctos horribilus). In a be named Verne Gagne match I still think Andre would have a better chance to win.

Food for thought, undecided on relevance.

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Big Show can't hold Andres jock (not like Bourne can hold Gagne's either)but he did quickly submit a faster, more agile and in better shape opponent. I'll go out on a limb and say Andre has faced opponents that are pretty good at submissions before and the only one that got it done was a legend on foreign soil. Maybe if Gagne was actually the top legend in the US I would consider it but I have a different quote from Thesz.

I am better than Gagne in every conceivable way. I could probably beat Andre the Giant in an Ultimate submissions match 1-0. Gagne is excellent at submissions but he would not go over.
 
What joke. You guys have your noses so far up Gelgarin's ass that you refuse to look at this logically.

Well I was wondering when somebody was going to try this shit. Have to say, disappointed that it's you.

People come to this thread, see how the stipulation massively favours one man, see the coherent arguments presented by the Gagne supporters and see that the best argument anyone from team Andre has been able to field is "Andre is bigger", and you accuse them of being up my ass for coming to the same conclusion that a seven year old would achieve.

On behalf of everyone else who posted in support of Gagne: go fuck yourself JMT.

So just because Andre didn't win many matches by submission during nearly his two decades of complete dominance (15 years this man was undefeated), that automatically means he doesn't know how to win a match with a submission? Really?

Pretty sure we're not allowed to simply make up information. Andre was nothing like undefeated for fifteen years; that is what is known as a promotional lie. He lost plenty of matches during that period to such titans of the industry as Joe Dusek and Don Leo Jonathan. That's not even beginning the consider the myriad of tag matches he last in Japan to guys that even I can't identify.

And yes, the fact that he never used submissions absolutely counts against him on account of this being a submission match. Seriously, you're attempting to berate people for concluding that the man better at submission wrestling might have an advantage in a submission match, and you're accusing other people of refusing to look at this logically? Good grief.

Come on, now. You have to believe that if Andre simply knocked Gange down and then stood on his hand and not move, there is not a thing Verne Gange could have done other than fucking tap out.

Perhaps you could find some matches where Andre did this? I looked and I couldn't. Being big and fat doesn't automatically win you a grappling contest. Now we could argue that Andre never needed to employ such a strategy in account of never having fought a submission wrestler like Gagne before.

Oh, wait.

Karl 'fucking' Gotch. April 27th, 1971. The wrestler closest to Verne Gagne that Andre ever faced. The old school submission specialist dismantled Andre, and actually racked up four consecutive victories over him.

Antonio 'fucking' Inoki. June 14th, 1986. Another old school submission specialist who Andre faced with a huge height and weight advantage. Didn't do him a whole lot of good, the giant ended up tapping the fuck out.

And for the record, these were standard singles matches where Andre was free to rely on his power game in order to win the match. They were not contests specifically designed to be advantageous to technicians.

Andre was a monster, and there are very few who could ever take him down.

So was Gagne.

In his prime, no one did.

Verne Gagne had magic powers and could make super heavyweights implode just by looking at them.

You know what the two above statements have in common? They're both totally untrue.

What makes Verne so special?

Well since you asked.

He was one of the most over wrestlers in the world during his prime. He was one of the best draws of his era. He revolutionised the industry and is the primary reason why the technical wrestling you adore is still popular. He was one of the all time great technicians and submission specialists, wrestling to an Olympic standard and he didn't tap out.

Lou 'fucking' Thesz. October 26th, 1951. Lou Thesz, probably the greatest submission specialist of all time both in and out of kayfabe spent a full sixty minutes trying to make Verne Gagne tap out. He was unsuccessful. Verne Gagne is contrast made Lou Thesz submit to a sleeper hold after 53:00.

That's what makes his so special. He's one of the greatest stars of all time, and he's a fucking submission god wrestling in a submission match against a guy with little to no submission experience. I'm amazed you're struggling so much with the concept here.

The guy couldn't make it in the NWA (his title win was an absolute joke), so he started his own company and made himself champion.

More ignorant fiction, but I suppose I should at least thank you for bringing this up. The main reason I picked Verne Gagne as my primary horse this year was to disprove this nonsense that people insist on spouting. Gagne only succeeding when he held the book is one of the most pervasive myths in classic wrestling (alongside Verne Gagne somehow ignored Hulk Hogan and Verne Gagne was a nepotist who insisted on pushing his son).

Verne Gagne couldn't make it in the NWA you say? You're aware that Verne Gagne did make it in the NWA right?

Verne Gagne started wrestling in 1949. He didn't found the AWA until 1960. Let's look at his record for those ten years and we can judge whether or not he 'made it'.

1949 - 42 wins, 1 loss. (nobody you'd recognise)
1950 - 104 wins, 13 losses, 38 draws. (ties with Thesz and Rogers - the top stars of the era)
1951 - 161 wins, 7 losses (most by DQ), 14 draws. (Multiple ties with Thesz. Victories over Stu Hart, Dory Funk and Pat O'Connor)
1952 - 120 wins, 6 losses (Hans Schmidt and Lou Thesz were the only men to pin Gagne this year), 7 draws. (More ties with Thesz, victories over Schmidt, O'Connor and Orton)
1953 - 125 win, 8 losses, 12 draws. (Business as usual. Victory over Rocca, the top draw in the world at the time)
1954 - 125 wins, 3 losses (tag matches only), 7 draws. (Nobody you'll know added to the list, more ties with Thesz.)
1955 - 107 wins, 7 losses (tag only), 21 draws. (Multiple victories over Rocca and DLJ, the man who would go on to defeat and totally manhandle Andre the Gaint)

I'm bored now, so I'll just give you a summary of the next five years. It's basically exactly the same as above, but with even fewer losses and victories over Carpenter, Kiniski, Kowalski (both of them), Blassie, Fritz Von Erich, Gorgeous George and basically everyone else significant from that era.

So to summarise, JMT contested that Verne Gagne couldn't make it in the NWA. I am countering this with the assertion that JMT doesn't have a fucking clue what he is talking about.

Gagne was a top star and top draw for ten years before he decided to set up one of the most successful wrestling promotions of all time. He was totally dominant and was shown to be capable of hanging with the very top stars on a regular basis. He has literally thousands of victories to his name, and this was well before the time period that most people consider to be his prime.

So yeah; you're going to have to do your homework again, the last effort really wasn't up to scratch.

This is the guy you want to vote over Andre the Giant, one of the biggest draws and most dominant wrestlers in history. Again... seriously?

Yes it is. This is one of the greatest wrestlers of all time, and whilst the status quo of you being completely ignorant about his career persists, you might want to wind your outrage back a few notches.
 
As much as I would like to vote for Andre, he's simply outmatched here. The 30 minute match really doesn't bother me. If Andre were to gain an advantage and dictate the pace of the match, then it's really a non factor. I really couldn't see someone like Gagne taking unnecessary risk to try and get a cheap submission. He's going to take his time and pick apart Andre, probably utilizing the entire 30 minutes to score a fall.

I can't say for sure, but I will trust Gelgarin on this one, supposedly Verne Gagne has never submitted. Andre has submitted, on multiple occasions. Logic says, if a man doesn't submit, he's not going to lose the match. There isn't any evidence kayfabe wise that Gagne will give up. Now, we might get an "Austin passing out" moment, and I believe that is entirely in play here.

I'm not sure it's a blow out either way. It's not entirely out of the realm of possibility that Andre simply pounds on Gagne to the point of him being incapacitated. A 200 lb. weight advantage can work wonders. I simply see Gagne being able to work a limb and chip away at the big man, and getting a victory.
 
Wow...

I love me some Andre but Gagne really lucked out with the stipulation. A submission match was probably the only match where he'd gain a distinct advantage. Gagne was an All-American, an Olympic champion, he was legit, a true wrestler and a real stretcher. The guy could twist body parts like pretzels, regardless of his opponents' size. This match is completely catered to his size and skillset.

Poor Andre... your run ends here. Gagne for the win.
 
Same logic I'd apply to Kane vs William Regal in a submission match. Andre never demonstrated any submission aptitude, whereas Gagne did. There's also the whole Akira Maeda mess where a guy not much bigger than Gagne legitimately kicked Andre's ass so badly he lay down to let his opponent pin him in a match he was booked to win. Andre's big but someone who knows what they're doing can beat him up to the point of surrender. Gagne has the credentials to do that.

Firstly the difference in size between those 2 is 9 inches, not the 17 inches Andre has over Gagne.
Secondly Regal only has an 80lb weight disadvantage comparsed to the 260lb disadvantage Gagne has.
Thirdly, Kane should and would have won that match.

I'm 5ft 8 so in comparison, saying Gagne would win is comparable to me being beaten up by 4ft 3, 10 year old that's half my weight. It's ludicrous.
 
And yet Andre lost matches to guys of Gagne's height and weight. Size is not an insurmountable advantage, especially in a match where size is a disadvantage.
 
Firstly the difference in size between those 2 is 9 inches, not the 17 inches Andre has over Gagne.
Secondly Regal only has an 80lb weight disadvantage comparsed to the 260lb disadvantage Gagne has.
Thirdly, Kane should and would have won that match.

I'm 5ft 8 so in comparison, saying Gagne would win is comparable to me being beaten up by 4ft 3, 10 year old that's half my weight. It's ludicrous.

Google this: Akira Maeda vs Andre the Giant. Or don't because I'll give you the cliffnotes version.

It's not ludicrous because that actually happened. Andre the Giant got his ass handed to him on a silver platter by someone around the same size as Gagne. The story goes that Andre was persuaded not to cooperate with Maeda by some of the other workers because Maeda was a cunt and Andre was a memetic badass and therefore could get away with it. The match started and Andre no-sold everything, and rag dolled Maeda a bit. And then Maeda kicked Andre's ass. Literally kicked his ass for a solid half hour without Andre doing a fucking thing to stop him. If he'd wanted to, he could have ended the match at his leisure but Andre was booked to win. However, wanting the match to end he lay down, Inoki came down the ramp had an arguement with Maeda, the match was thrown out and Andre's reputation as a good fighter was ruined.

JMT rightly said that Gagne booked himself over everyone when he had the chance. Well, the same logic that applies there applies in this match. Gagne would either be booked to win or he'd be booked to lose. But, let's face it he'd rather go to the next round and so if he's booked to lose... well he'd just go into business for himself, and as Maeda proves Andre ain't so tough in a shoot fight. Gagne on the other hand won multiple national championships in legit fights.

Gagne would win the easy way or the hard way, but make no mistakes about it he would win.
 
Gagne has the obvious advantage here, this is his specialty match.. But how often do we know of Andre tapping out?? I found one example in Japan, so it has happened, but its rare!!

I see a winner by default in Andre getting Gange to pass out before he taps! But i wont vote till i'm convinced either way!
 
Google this: Akira Maeda vs Andre the Giant. Or don't because I'll give you the cliffnotes version.

It's not ludicrous because that actually happened. Andre the Giant got his ass handed to him on a silver platter by someone around the same size as Gagne.

Maeda is 6'3 and bulkier than Gagne, just like Inoki and El Canek were bigger than him. Gagne is 5'11, 215lbs, his record is compromised because of his booking and Andre at his best would simply not lose this.
 
Maeda is 6'3 and bulkier than Gagne, just like Inoki and El Canek were bigger than him. Gagne is 5'11, 215lbs, his record is compromised because of his booking and Andre at his best would simply not lose this.

Because those four inches and kilos would make all the difference against Andre, right? It's not like Maeda overcame 13 inches and 250 lbs or anything. Oh wait that's exactly what he did. Gagne is considered by everyone who mattered to be vastly superior to Maeda (case and point, one's widely known, the other isn't), and therefore he is more than capable of overcoming a slightly greater challenge than Maeda did.

Face facts Loveless, Gagne would and definitely should win this match. Andre taps because he's told to, or because Gagne makes him.
 

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