Vince Russo on Challenges Facing TNA, Says Biggest Problems Are "Outside" The Ring

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Vince Russo has a new blog up on his official website that talks about what he thinks TNA's real challenges are. Russo believes TNA's biggest problems are outside of the ring. Here's part of what he wrote:

"From a philosophical view, I think both TNA and the WWE my be a bit “off” when it comes to the way they present their product in 2014 – that’s MY opinion. To me, it’s not “really” about the characters, or the storylines, or the in-ring wrestling – all of those things can be changed by next week – no big deal. To me, it’s about vision and direction. The “Attitude Era” was a vision, and a direction. Can today’s vision, or direction, really be described by either wrestling company as I write this? WHAT is their product and where do they see it going. However, even that is subjective. Even though I believe the product should go a certain way, who knows where the leaders of those companies feel the product should head? Because of who they are, and what they’ve experienced – they have different views and ideas. Nobody’s “right”, or “wrong”, it’s just their VIEW.

That’s why I like talking about FACTS. The FACTS are all that really matter. You hated me at WWE, WCW, and TNA – great, that’s your opinion – but – what do the FACTS say about my legacy? If we looked at all three companies and their numbers prior to me coming in – then leaving – what will they tell you? That’s really all that matters to me.

In my opinion, having worked there, what’s hindering TNA more than anything right now, are major factors that lay “outside” the ring. Again, the creative is all subjected, and can be adjusted — if need be – but the financials — the costs to operate — are FACTUAL, much like TV numbers.

For starters, and I don’t need to tell anybody this, including the brass at TNA -- trust me, they know — the environment inside the “Impact Zone” is not ideal for what TNA is attempting to put across your TV screen every week. Universal Studios is a “tourist” attraction, so primarily, TNA is drawing “tourists” to watch IMPACT, not die-hard “wrestling fans”. The truth is, many of those people attending might just be wanting to get out from under the scorching Florida sun. As you know, attendance to IMPACT is free, so there is no cost if you’re just looking to stay in the shade for a few hours. But, this isn’t anything that anybody doesn’t know. We all see it every Thursday night. But, no one knows first hand how much an audience can affect your show than me.

You see, when you write a wrestling show, you’re writing it knowing that the fans “cheer” here, the fans “boo” there — that’s how you write any wrestling show. Well, at Universal, you’re not always getting the response your writing for, simply because many of your customers are simple not die-hard wrestling fans. Also, add to that, the performers get FUELED by you — the fans. The less “true” wrestling fans rooting you on — less gas in the tank. That’s just human nature. Unfortunately, in getting back to the facts, at this point in their business plan – Universal Studios is the best route for TNA to take. Are they aware of all the problems? They certainly are, and there is no doubt in my mind that if they had the ability right now to change that – they would – simply because – why wouldn’t they?

But, aside from the lackluster, vacationing crowds, I think there is a much bigger problem that TNA is faced to deal with every week. And, this is the problem that very few fans watching from home either realize, or understand. THE SCHEDULING. Again, due to the FACTS - the FINANCIALS – TNA works under a rigorous schedule that not many fans are aware of. In order to work within their current budget, TNA is forced to shoot MULTIPLE shows, or parts of shows, per night. Unlike the WWE, who has the luxury to just shoot one show – be it three hours – in one night, TNA is usually filming at least a show AND A HALF during that same time. Again, having been a part of it, this leads to numerous problems that have a diverse effect on the end product.

For starters - you have to write accordingly. In other words, many times the writers can’t write their “dream” show, because they have to look at how many times EY wrestled in one night, or, how many in-rings did MVP have. They have to adjust to not wear the performers out on a nightly basis, but also to protect the audience response — whatever there is — from sending a guy out through the curtain too many times. So from the beginning — the writing is being affected to compensate for the work schedule. Again -- it is what is it, and they are all working as hard as they can to make it “work” providing the circumstances.

Then, of course you have the performance of the boys. If they have to wrestle twice in one night -- that second match just may not be as good as the first — no matter how hard they try. Why do you think that when a team plays a double-header in baseball, very, very few players play BOTH GAMES. The same goes with their mic work. How much verbiage can you ask any human being to become familiar with in one night? The first promo is always going to be better than the second. Again, you’re dealing with wrestlers, not actors, and human beings, not machines. This problem lingers over to the backstage pre-tapes, where the talent and producers, and writers are getting content for not just ONE show, but maybe two, or three. I know that there were nights in the Impact show where I would shoot 30 -- yes, THIRTY — pre-tapes from morning until we went back to the hotel at night.

And here’s something else that NOBODY has ever realized, or put into consideration. Being that you are already asking the audience to stay for a minimum of at least three hours a night, in an effort to move the show along as quickly as you can -- you don’t have the option of playing the pre-tapes to the crowd -- that were shot to build the match! Therefore, on many occasions, the audience is seeing what they view as a “cold match”, when on TV, that same match has been built up for two hours! In other words, the response is going to be far inferior than what it should have been had you had the luxury time you needed to correctly tell your story.

And lastly–I’m not going to even get into what happens when the star of your show gets hurt in show one, day one, and you have him booked in THE major angle of the next two shows that are going to be shot over the next three days. Looks like the writers aren’t going to get a good night’s sleep tonight.

All these issues are what TNA has to deal with on a weekly basis in order to make their company successful from a financial viewpoint which is all that really matters. Are there solutions to these problems? Of course there are . . . in time. Look, TNA has only been around for 10 years – many people forget that. Vince McMahon Sr. had the WWWF on TV in 1955, TWENTY-SEVEN years before he even handed it over to Vince. Under Vince, it’s been another THIRTY-TWO YEARS on the boob tube, that’s FIFTY-FIVE years of television experience – and time for the WWE. Does anyone think that “back in the day”, Vince Sr. wasn’t faced with the same challenges that TNA is today?

That’s why, every time I view the TNA product – I’m viewing it with all things in mind. I understand fully what it’s taking them to produce that wrestling show. And – most importantly – I GREATLY appreciate their efforts. I’ve said many times, if you spoke to any Hollywood writer, or Hollywood producer, and explained to them the QUANTITY of product that TNA was churning out, and the QUALITY they were achieving in a minimal amount of time – they would accuse you of LYING, saying that’s physically and mentally impossible. But guess what – it’s not — because they are doing it every week.

All the reasons listed above is WHY I have all the respect for every one involved in TNA. From the very top of the food chain, to the wrestlers, to the writers, producers, everybody involved in television production and all the way down to Angela the caterer. Do you know how hungry those guys get putting in so many hours a day?!!! It’s the work ethic, working as hard as you possibly can on that third, or fourth show, just like it was the first. It says a lot about everybody in that company and it’s leadership. They are all working as hard as they can to deliver the best product that they are capable of, under conditions that make their jobs extremely difficult.

So, the next time you see a missed spot, or a flubbed line on IMPACT, maybe you’ll look at it a bit more differently now. I know I do. And, I know that I’m rooting for TNA to continue to fight through!!! All things in life take time to become great — and it’s only those who possess the will of perseverance–that ever get to witness their labor of hard work come to fruition!"

This was a pretty amazing read. Never really thought about TNA in that way. Dammit, I absolutely hate it when Russo writes a brilliant piece with good insight and respect shown. It makes it so hard for me to hate him.

I can't say I always support the man...hell most times I just don't like him from a fan stand point. But that was a pretty good insight into TNA. Granted, the show did used to be A LOT better. I don't even fully blame Hogan like most fans do. I feel that it is just as much the company head honchos like Dixie or the rest of the Carters. Jarret seemed to know what to do but lacked the finances. The product just isn't as good and I can't say I have much interest in watching it because in part of what Russo says, not only because the crowd is kinda not reacting and making the product seem strong, but also because by time it does reach television it is sometimes months old.

How do you guys feel about Russo's statement above?
 
Damn amazing foresight I have never thought of it that way! Like Vince Russo or not,he makes very valid points.. Really kinda of hard to build your company when most of your audience is just tourist and not die-hard wrestling fans.. Also very hard if your there live,to see a cold match with zero buildup.. I know at least last i heard,that TNA was shopping around for a different home venue.. Makes me root for the underdog now
 
Russo is correct in just about everything he said. A lot of these issues have been brought up in the past though. The tourist problem is common knowledge, but Russo went in depth about the psychological aspects that I had not considered, such as the performers not "being fueled". Granted these are problems that TNA faces, but TNA hasn't approached them the right way to correct them either. They took the show on the road to correct this problem, but they were not ready yet. TNA is run so tightly on a budget that they are afraid to lose money now to make it later. If they focused on putting on a strong show, then took that show on the road to build up a following (while taking the loss in the beginning) they could turn that into a profit down the road if done correctly. Many promotions have had a local base and been successful. Studio wrestling, Memphis, NXT, etc. They need to slowly build and not try to become a powerhouse over night. It took 35 years for WWE to have a live show, and even then it was only part time (1 live raw, 1 taped raw). I would say that TNA should find a new base for iMpact though, the crowd sets the tone and tourists can't do that.
 
It's not as if the world these days is massively asleep to the problems of manufacturing a wrestling show, let alone a televised wrestling show. We know that it's difficult and the general feeling from people who have grown up with pro-wrestling in their hearts is unanimous sympathy toward difficulties such as roster injury, migration of talent and sometimes having the fact that you're trying to maximise a dollar to avoid spending two exposed.

My sympathy starts to slip when TV people suggest how difficult it is to come up with 2hrs of TV every week (on average: let's not get into when they tape and how often). If the storytelling occurs mostly in the ring as you'd expect, then you could be down to as little as 15-30 minutes actual dialogue writing per week. Unfortunately, TNA runs so many consecutive backstage and in-ring promos that they make lead shoes for themselves. Here's a clue: let the wrestlers (that's the guys not wearing much) do some actual WRESTLING. Have them work the crowd rather than lamely suggest that their lack of reaction is down to an absence of VT. Pathetic.

However: not only is this essay shot through with lots of bullshit excuses, I'm genuinely not surprised to read that Russo is a terrible and overly sensationalist prose stylist who can't follow through a thought to a logical conclusion and needs to service his own ego at every turn. Why else for the need to refer to the 'facts' of his good ratings 20 years ago? Not to mention that decontextualised facts are about as useful as a tin dick on a dog. Let's hear all the facts, Vin-Ru, like the multiple ongoing orgiastic failures you've had. No? Thought not.

As Bryan Alvarez of Wrestling Observer has pointed out: NXT & ROH do four tapings per night. NXT is also shot at a university and yet it attracts wrestling fans rather than students and also manages to maintain vocal and focused crowds, sometimes whilst watching characters they might not know much about. Decent professional wrestlers and good television-credited writers should be able to make crowds, be it the most ardent diehards or the most casual tourists, cheer and boo. If they're on vacation it should be extra easy, not harder!

It's not as if wrestling fans are barred from Impact tapings: I have a friend, a former huge TNA mark, go to the studios specifically for the Impact tapings back in their good days. I can only conclude that wrestling fans in Florida do not want to see TNA. Nor do they particularly want to on the road. For example (all credit to http://taimapedia.org/index.php?title=LOLTNA_History)

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Mobile, AL

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Tulsa, OK

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"Anything not highlighted was tarped off"

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Configuration for their Alamodome show.

There are all road shows. No tourists.

The problem isn't flubbed spots. It's a flubbed opportunity on a grand scale for 12 years now. I don't have the time and energy to point out the extent of the problem but I can sum it up with the following bullet points.

- wasted talent
- overpushed losers
- incoherent stories
- uninteresting stories
- Dixie Carter
- Vince Russo

Oh but it's ok Vince because Hollywood producers are impressed, they who famously always portray the industry accurately. :icon_neutral:
 
I really have no idea how they pay some of those wrestlers what they do with crowds that small. TNA's best bet is to try and join up with WWE like ECW did in the 90s, and just try to get on the WWE Network and do a talent exchange. If not I really don't see TNA going on much longer, but we been saying that for years now.
 
I really have no idea how they pay some of those wrestlers what they do with crowds that small. TNA's best bet is to try and join up with WWE like ECW did in the 90s, and just try to get on the WWE Network and do a talent exchange. If not I really don't see TNA going on much longer, but we been saying that for years now.

But the thing that is different between then and now is the the people backing TNA are no longer pouring money into it. They need to just sell it and get rid of Dixie. Not only is she horrible but she is stopping them from selling it because daddy wants her written in the show.

Russo is a turd and is quick to give himself credit and takes very little blame. WWE and WCW used to run things with tapings and such that way TNA is now. I remember when I was a teenager WWF coming to town and they would tape 4 or 5 episodes of WWE Superstars in one night.

The problems with TNA are in the back right now and many bad decisions that they made. They can't afford to make many mistakes like that. WWE can get away with it because of how big they are. Bad management is killing TNA just like it did WCW because they made the same mistakes.

Right now TNA is nothing more than a glorified Indy fed and should be ran as such. Get rid of Dixie and sell the company and put it into the hands of someone who knows what they are doing. It would suck to see TNA die.
 
TNA has hit the restart button with talent releases, booking staff etc. they've been around for 12 years, the should know by now where they will get a good crowd, use those areas & then book smaller venues for other shows.

The crowd at Orlando is pathetic, together with the commentary it would make you watch Impact on mute. If TNA found 3 or 4 venues to tape Impact it would be much better.
 
Eric Bishoff said last week "the guy who supposedly invented the attidude area, is blowing smoke up everyone ass!" Him and Stone Cold laught at him. If I was in charge of TNA I would bring back Bischoff for the last two months of his contract. Instead f sitting around with my thumb up my butt like a ******. Maybe list to Jim Ross with 40 years in the sport of wrestling.
 
Why on earth would you bring Bischoff back. The man is a repeated failure. His push of his own son ranks among the 10 most embarrassing things I've ever seen.
 
WWE does 2 shows per nigh not 1 RAW and NXT and Smackdown and Main Event.

not to mention the stuff on the WWE network has to be pre-produced using those same stars, sure thats months previously but they needed them during the time they were producing RAW, Smackdown and Main Event back then.

WWE also goes on the road and tours the globe all at the same time obviously, so thats no excuse for TNA's woes of how hard it is they work on a such a rigorous schedule that WWE doesn't Pffft.

nooone's forcing TNA to tape for a month at a time in 1 week thats there own stupidity and taping those crappy 1 night only PPV's that don't fit into the Impact in any logical fashion. and if they are giving it all away for free they are even more ******ed.
 

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