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So Brock Lesnar helped the UFC get 600,000 domestic buys for his first UFC fight. So do you think Vince McMahon is shitting himself right now realizing he let his biggest draw walk.
 
So Brock Lesnar helped the UFC get 600,000 domestic buys for his first UFC fight. So do you think Vince McMahon is shitting himself right now realizing he let his biggest draw walk.
No.

Contrary to what the report by Ryan Clark would tell you, Wrestlemania 19 drew terribly. It was the worst drawing Wrestlemania since Wrestlemania 13. Which is ten years worth of Wrestlemanias. See the Financial, Ratings, and Buyrates thread I made for further investigation.
 
You know, it might seem a little late, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Lesner somehow promote Wrestlemania in return. But I doubt it.
 
Lesnar wouldnt be a huge draw ever for WWE becuase he's a crap face, and he's only just gets over as a heel, and even that was either by having heyman as his mouthpiece, or soding with Vince which will pretty much get anyone heat.
 
See, can you really blame WM19 on Brock though? With a card with undercard matches featuring Hogan vs. McMahon, Austin vs. Rock, and Jericho vs. Michaels, that should have sold the card as well. I think it's unfair to put that on Brock.

UFC is saying, (if the report is true) he's responsible for nearly 300,000 buys.
 
That really seems very strange to me that WM 19 sold so poorly. That card, and WM, was amazing. I dont really think you can put it on Brock, as he was very hot back in those days.

I dont really know that it was BROCK per sey that made the UFC buys go up so much, I think it was just having a former pro wrestler of his stature involved. If it wouldve been Kurt Angle, watch the buy rates skyrocket. Or Triple H, Or Undertaker or some shit (not to say they would, or could, just making scale comparisons)....I think it was more based on the side show storyline of a High profile former pro wrestler being involved, especially with the stature of Lesnar (someone like Goldberg or Lashley could probably sell well too, becuase of their size)
 
See, can you really blame WM19 on Brock though? With a card with undercard matches featuring Hogan vs. McMahon, Austin vs. Rock, and Jericho vs. Michaels, that should have sold the card as well. I think it's unfair to put that on Brock.
The fact that card drew so poorly is entirely reflective on how poor of a draw the two main-eventers were. I mean, if that strong of an undercard can't put that main-event into a great buyrate, then clearly the main-eventers don't draw. And, they neither Lesnar or Angle were really that big of a draw.

UFC is saying, (if the report is true) he's responsible for nearly 300,000 buys.
Lesnar's DEBUT drew nearly 300,000 additional buys, not Lesnar himself. My bet is that a LARGE number of those buys are crossover wrestling fans, who wanted to see if a wrestler could make it in MMA. If Lesnar is still drawing that in his fifth fight, then maybe there would be something to it.
That really seems very strange to me that WM 19 sold so poorly. That card, and WM, was amazing. I dont really think you can put it on Brock, as he was very hot back in those days.
Sure you can. Main-eventers sell the show, always have, always will.
 
The fact that card drew so poorly is entirely reflective on how poor of a draw the two main-eventers were. I mean, if that strong of an undercard can't put that main-event into a great buyrate, then clearly the main-eventers don't draw.

That's incredibly presumptuous.
 
The fact that card drew so poorly is entirely reflective on how poor of a draw the two main-eventers were. I mean, if that strong of an undercard can't put that main-event into a great buyrate, then clearly the main-eventers don't draw. And, they neither Lesnar or Angle were really that big of a draw.

Lesnar's DEBUT drew nearly 300,000 additional buys, not Lesnar himself. My bet is that a LARGE number of those buys are crossover wrestling fans, who wanted to see if a wrestler could make it in MMA. If Lesnar is still drawing that in his fifth fight, then maybe there would be something to it.
Sure you can. Main-eventers sell the show, always have, always will.

True, but WM 19 was the first mania of the Brand Split where there was no clear cut what would be the Main Event. So some of the blame could be put on Booker T and Triple H as well. Or you could spin it the other way and say, damn that Rookie Brock Lesnar managed to get 500,000 plus buys in his first Mania main event. You can spin it a lot of ways.
 
True, but WM 19 was the first mania of the Brand Split where there was no clear cut what would be the Main Event. So some of the blame could be put on Booker T and Triple H as well. Or you could spin it the other way and say, damn that Rookie Brock Lesnar managed to get 500,000 plus buys in his first Mania main event. You can spin it a lot of ways.

True, I remember leading into WM, I thought Trips/Booker was going to be the ME for sure with the way they were building it up...
 
That's the main thing with wrestling the last few years and the shows with multiple championship matches on it. You can't blame the main eventers because you don't know who is going to be in the main event. WM 19 was billed as four main events. Each show had two main events. When there isn't that one clear cut thing, it distracts from the show.

Last year WM 23 had a huge buyrate, but how do you know it wasn't for people thinking that Taker/Batista was going to be the main event.
 
That's the main thing with wrestling the last few years and the shows with multiple championship matches on it. You can't blame the main eventers because you don't know who is going to be in the main event. WM 19 was billed as four main events. Each show had two main events. When there isn't that one clear cut thing, it distracts from the show.

Last year WM 23 had a huge buyrate, but how do you know it wasn't for people thinking that Taker/Batista was going to be the main event.

Very true, I was actually hoping that Taker/Batista was going to be the ME, and IMO should have been cause it was the better match, I thing I don't get is why can't they have both the WWE & WHC matches at the top of the card?...If they think they need a match to break them up then just stick the ECW title or MITB match in between them, hell stick the Women's title match in between them
 
Last year only had a huge buyrate because it was marketed so hard. They were blitzing everyone with ad's from like mid-december onwards for it. Then there was PR from Trump, celebs, getting Stone Cold in on the action, even the Rock. It is a pity that the trump hair vs hair storyline sucked almost as much as the actual match itself.
 

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