VAL VENIS: What is his purpose???

[hinkey1]

I've wanted to submit this thread for a long time, but wanted to do it when we see certain superstars are recently "released" by the company.

Val Venis started in WWE in the late 90's. He was very popular with the fans (mostly women), and that lead to him capturing the intercontinental title. The biggest match of his career was against The Rock on SD!. Although he didn't win that match, it still points that he was a major star in WWE at the time.

The last major on screen role I recall him having was as Eric Bischoff's chief of staff (back in 2003). Ever since then, he has become what we all know as a "jobber". He will get an occassional victory on HEAT, but NEVER and I mean NEEEEVVVVVVVER get a victory on RAW.

How can he be beneficial to the company in any way when they don't use him?
How has Val avoided the infamous "we wish you well in your future endeavors"???


The only explanation I can think of, is that he will make people look good by getting his ass kicked. But IMO, he's been beaten one to many times, and thould either:
1. Quit
2. Ask for a better role in the company (which would prob. lead to Vince firing him lol)

 

[Y 2 Jake]

The purpose of him is to make rookies look like they're not totally hopeless. That's Venis' purpose. And I imagine it will be for a few years to come. He's somebody who'll get a HOF spot in 20 years time and while some people as why, some will be aware that he's the guy who made certain wrestlers look at least average before they got on TV.

 

[hinkey1]

No way, I can't see Val Venis going into the HOF
There is no purpose for the HOF if everyone goes into it. To be in the HOF you need to have done something great in the wrestling business. From what I can see, he hasn't done squat

 

[DjPauliieeP]

Good Ol' Cheif Morley


Why Did He Come Out Of That To Go Into That Intercontieal Battle Royal Where Booker Got Screwed, And We Saw The Birth Of Christan, Even Though That Match Was Awesome, Esspeocaly When Christian Put Jericho Out, He Was One of The First People To Go Out Of That Match
And Ever Since Then He Has Beat Charlie Haas And Tajiri A Few Times


Big WOOPP

 

[RadioGaGa]

I see Venis hanging around for the foreseeable future. Why? Because he is a damn good jobber who makes his opponents look good and because of his gimmick he is over with the fans - both men and women. So why wish him well in his future endavours?

He's currently injured I think, so with the lack of Heat, why not put him on ECW to work with the youngsters when he returns? Anyway, I'm sure he will be saying "Hello Ladies" for the next few years.

 

[Davi323]

Yeah. Val Venis is "enhancement talent". He isn't paid to win matches, his paycheck is because he can make green wrestlers look better than they would otherwise. I think that is the main reason they keep him. He is probably content with that role, doesn't bitch and moan, so, he isn't giving the WWE any headaches. Some guys are born to be World champion, others are born to help train. Venus is closer to the latter than the former.

 

[My$terio_Fan]

Like others have already said Val's whole purpose is to help the younger guys and help put them over. You can only go so long beating no-named jobbers before you dont look credible. Venis is the next step since he is a former champ and it means more to beat him than "Joe Somebody". Also when a new a guy faces a random jobber the matches arent the best and the jobber usually is just as young as them so they aren;t learning from them whereas Venis can help them improve while making look a little more credible.

 

[klunderbunker]

Venis is there as everyone else has said: to make young guys look good. Its been a long time since Venis was a big deal, but he can go in the ring. He was never going to be a world champion, but you could put him in the ring and know you didn't have to worry about it bombing. He's solid in the ring and on the mic, and he has a few credentials. He won the IC belt before it became what it is now and still means a bit to defeat. He can cut good promos to get the crowd interested as well. Maybe he's got a small feud or two left in him. I for one hope so, as he could be good to put someone over.

 

[Rusty]

Val Venis has a great purpose, that is making others look good. He is a jobber and nothing more. Thats why the fans like him, because he wrestles without winning but putting others over, particularly the rookies. I think his wrestling skills aren't totally bad at all and he can certainly put on a decent match. He is a jobber that mildly gets the crowd involved even though they know he will lose every time he steps into a WWE ring. Venis makes others look better than what he does and that isn't an easy task to do. I have great respect for the man as I think he has one of the most important roles in the entire company and that is, turning rookies into superstars.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

No way, I can't see Val Venis going into the HOF
There is no purpose for the HOF if everyone goes into it. To be in the HOF you need to have done something great in the wrestling business. From what I can see, he hasn't done squat

You talk like it's some elite, legitimate Hall Of Fame. It's not. If it was then Savage, Sammartino & The ultimate Warrior would all be in it. Instead of having a ceremony with names that just pad out the running time, they have one show, per year, dedicated to a wrestler who deserves it. But they don't.

Within the WWE HOF induction system, Val Venis will be more than worthy. His impact isn't huge. But a lot of wrestlers already in it had little to no impact. With the rate in which WWE induct people in 20 years time they'll also be inducting Cherry, Deuce & Domino.

 

[Dead Kennedy]

Val Venis is a guy who could have been great if he wasn't more injury prone than Bob Holly. He was pretty over with the crowd back in the day, and I've always liked the guy. The mic skills were very much so there.

His main purpose today is being the best damn jobber in WWE, thus the best damn jobber in the business, period. He can still throw a good match, and make his opponent look good, while never making himself look bad. I can't remember the last time he was on TV, but I heard he was working dark matches. Val Venis' greatness will forever be his behind-the-scenes/non-televised deeds. I respect the guy.

A strange thing, I notice that somehow, Val Venis always gets extremely many votes in WWE polls involving him. He was the leader in the "Who do you want to be Raw's new general manager" poll for a while, heck, he might have even won it, but I wasn't around to see due to my crap internet connection that got severed. He also received a hell of a lot of vote percentage in a "Who do you think deserves a title shot" last year. Is this a sign that he's still more over than the crowd than you'd think? I, for one, do not know.

What I do know is, if he wasn't so injury-prone, he could have been a big time player, as far as mic skills and ring skills matter.

 

[hinkey1]

Well I'm glad i got so many responses. All pretty much telling me the same thing. But if this is the case, where his job is to be a jobber, than he should be released.

I've been to a few RAW shows in my day. I for one don't want to pay my money to watch a Val Venis where I automatically know what the ending will be. I don't care how good he makes other people look. He continues to make himself look like crap in the process. So, whats the point in wrestlers getting a win over him, when his character is no longer credible

 

[Syxx-Pac]

Well I'm glad i got so many responses. All pretty much telling me the same thing. But if this is the case, where his job is to be a jobber, than he should be released.

I've been to a few RAW shows in my day. I for one don't want to pay my money to watch a Val Venis where I automatically know what the ending will be. I don't care how good he makes other people look. He continues to make himself look like crap in the process. So, whats the point in wrestlers getting a win over him, when his character is no longer credible

Yeah, you are right. I think Venis should be released. He's just a jobber and he always will be... And I wouldn't want to pay money either to see a Venis match. He just gets squashed and his matches are one sided.

Don't forget that WWE is doing a roster cleanout right now, and I think he may be next.

 

[My$terio_Fan]

Yeah, you are right. I think Venis should be released. He's just a jobber and he always will be... And I wouldn't want to pay money either to see a Venis match. He just gets squashed and his matches are one sided.

Don't forget that WWE is doing a roster cleanout right now, and I think he may be next.

Yes he's just a jobber, but he's a good one. Yes his matches are usually a squash and thats why he's there. They need people to lose to make others look credible. If there were no Super Crazy's, Funaki's, Venis', ect then either other wrestlers would have to lose to help establish people or they would just hire local jobbers. Would you want credible guys like Jeff Hardy, CM Punk, Carlito, ect getting jobbing to help establish other guys but losing their credibility? And if they just hire local jobbers who probably can't wrestle as well than the "new talent" wouldn't learn anything. Guys like Venis while being squashed or jobbed out can help teach the newer guys how to sell, how to work a WWE style, ect. They are like the next step above a trainer. Also if a new guy the WWE is trying to establish, really can't wrestle very good or chokes on live TV, people like Venis can try to cover their mistakes and/or help them call what to do next. Of course nobody will pay to see Venis and thats why he usually isn't listed on the card, but he is valuable to help out new talent. Also he's been a WWE employee for sometime and has done what they want so this is their way in still employing him(rewarding him for his years of work) but allowing new talent to shine, IMO. And I'm not a Val mark...

 

[mcflyboy]

The last time i remember val venis on raw was i think some sort of qualifier match...can't remember against whom, and i don't reven remember what it was to qualify for. But of course he lost. Might have been for a money in the bank slot. Or a royal rumble slot or something.

Anyway, I never cared for him or his character when he was at his prime...sorry, but a "porn star" gimmick is just stupid. But he certainly serves a purpose now, and like others said, he's there to job and make others look good. And don't forget that when we do see him on TV, unless its a total squash match against some giant like khali or big show or whatever, he usually at least gets a near-pin. That's more than can usually be said about other jobbers such as funaki.

I also agree that he won't be going anywhere anytime soon. My guess is that he'll have one more good run back in the spotlight on TV again, probably right before he retires. Most likely as a tag team champion for a little while.

 

[Y 2 Jake]

Well I'm glad i got so many responses. All pretty much telling me the same thing. But if this is the case, where his job is to be a jobber, than he should be released.I've been to a few RAW shows in my day. I for one don't want to pay my money to watch a Val Venis where I automatically know what the ending will be. I don't care how good he makes other people look. He continues to make himself look like crap in the process. So, whats the point in wrestlers getting a win over him, when his character is no longer credible

Possibly one of the most ******ed posts I've read in a long time. No you don't pay to see Val Venis. But you also don't pay to see most of the WWE roster. The Majority of people pay to see Cena, Batista, Undertaker & Triple H. But next time you see somebody like Kennedy or MVP think for a second who probably played a part in making then look at least acceptable in the ring.

 

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

Also it could be due to his contract. I read yesterday that Mark Henry had a 10 year contract (which has recently been renewed) and that explains why after 10 years of fathering hands, squashing jobbers and injuring Main Event talent he's still there. So maybe Val has a similar contract, or has a new contract where he takes on other responsibilities and gets the towel out of retirement when his name is called.

 

[JBK2008]

If he's gonna job, bring Charlie Haas with im. Make them a porn like gimmick tag team. Haas always needs someone to help him. Poor Val though. I mean you gotta respect a guy who has put up with that much from Vince. I know putting two singles guys together isn't an original tag team, but look at the Highlanders...does it really matter now guys?!?

 

[Mr. TM]

Val Venis is a great wrestler. He can wrestler almost everyone. The most valuable thing he does, is making other wrestlers look good. He is a jobber. He can job to Midcarders and to Main Eventers, so he extremely versatile. He has been around for a long time with few injuries (besides his last one). He should be awared the Intercontinental Championship one more time in his Career before he retires. He is a valuable member of the WWE now, and for years to come.

 

[Hailey Rose]

I wouldn't say jobber is the right world for someone like him. He's enhancement talent, they obviously know that if they throw him in a match with someone who isn't the most talented worker, he can pull a good match out of them. Yeah, they are doing a bit of a purge, but they need people like Val. If you want to build up new stars or push guys who have the look but not necessarily the skill, enhancement talent are very valuable.

 

[Julius Rage]

Val is a jobber to the stars and thats just the way things are.

"Enhancement Talent"? Shelton is Enhancement Talent because he'll definately drop some matches too you but he'll make you look way better in the ring than say if he just let you hit a few moves and get a three count. . .Same with Umaga. Umaga loses often nowadays but he'll make you look like a contender while doing it.