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Using Santino to build up the Morrison vs Sheamus feud has been a masterstroke.

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We, the IWC, do not give WWE much credit. In today's age there are plenty of good wrestlers but very few entertaining personalities. One of them happens to be John Morrison.

I just feel WWE should be applauded the way they have used Santino to build up Morrison's feud with Sheamus. Whether we like it or not, Santino because of his comedic talent is one of the most popular superstars on Raw. Up till now Morrison has done nothing but save this guy each time Sheamus tries to attack him. And that has worked to such an extent that I believe Morrison is actually getting bigger pops than he would have otherwise got

I think this is a pretty unique way of booking their eventual feud. From a personal perspective, this would have never occured to me. Not everyone may like it but I do. So my questions to you are:

Do you like the way WWE has built up this feud so far?

Do you think Morrison could gaain something from this feud or will this just end up as a comedy feud?

Please give your thoughts on this.
 
Do you like the way WWE has built up this feud so far?
Very much so, Santino has been very funny, Kozlov has been relevant again , and Sheamus hasn't actually been made to look weak..

Do you think Morrison could gain something from this feud or will this just end up as a comedy feud?

He can and Will, this is a great way to get him over Jeff Hardy style - through his In-ring work.. He has been lack-luster on the mic, instead of pushing his mic work as a face, they are letting his above average in-ring work do the talking for him. He is getting over much better than he was with his persona during his Feud with McIntyre and his previous IC championship run. He can have a few witty one liner's but keeping him off the mic is smart, and as far as talking goes, santino is doing the heavy lifting in this feud..
 
No, simply because John Morrison hasn't been made to look stronger than he is, and Sheamus hasn't been made to look any different than he's already been since his debut on Raw. If they book Morrison vs. Sheamus to be a legitimate feud, and it's not completely squashing Morrison, then the booking won't be consistent with the fact that Sheamus can end Triple-Goddamn-H's career. If he can take care of HHH, I don't see why Morrison is going to be any more than a minor blip on Sheamus' radar.
 
Hm... I guess if anything I would say it's an "efficient" way of booking. Rather than have a guy falling further and further down the card and not getting much of a crowd response, pair him with someone entertaining. Morrison has his flashy moves and his unique look but there is something that just keeps him from really connecting with the universe, be it the lackluster mic skills or whatever.

But saying it's an efficient way to do things doesn't mean I like it. Santino being a ping-pong ball between two other superstars to fuel their feud is kinda insulting. I commented in the Santino thread a few days ago that they should stop this trend of comedy characters having to be total jobbers. I'd be just as entertained by these recent events if they only involved Santino and Sheamus, and if Santino was the one actually getting the main focus of the feud, without some third wheel being thrown in because he can't cut a good promo.

It's effective, it seems to be working so far, and it's an interesting way to put more of the roster to use. But it's also kind of an awkward setup and is also just making Santino look even weaker and less of a competitor, and I didn't think they could destroy him any further, but they did.
 
Santino needs a push, he might aswell fued with Sheamus instead of Morrison because as far as I can work out he can wrestle and is VERY entertaining to watch. I hope he doesn't end up like Goldust now, not getting enough credit for his ability to get people over and his behind the scenes work *which Santino doesn't look like he does but... meh*.

I for one do not mind seeing Santino fued with Sheamus, Morrison gets all the limelight and then Santino switches in the middle of a match and takes out Morrison --> then he starts a full on fued heel vs heel with Sheamus, it would be different and would end up with one becoming face or something but it doesn't have to...
 
I would take Santino screeching at the top of his lungs because Sheamus has sodomy on his mind any day, month, and even Jupiter Year over Morrison doing whatever he does.


Morrison is awful. Did you guys watch the run ins the past couple of weeks? There's no passion and fire from Morrison. It's like "Hey.. I gotta do this spot because I was booked to kick you in the face. Wait, let me barely faze you with a punch. Hold still so I won't botch the spot." If he had a personality or an ounce of charisma, HE would be the one screeching at the top of his lungs because Sheamus has sodomy on his mind. The guy is awful on the mic and comes across as completely unneeded as the knight in glitter pants.

What is he going to get out of working with Sheamus that he couldn't get from working with The Miz, Rey, or CM Punk? He completely stagnant in every aspect in 2000-and fucking-6. Are his matches any less flashy? No. Is his punching any better? No. The only difference is that he doesn't have a big titty broad spreading her legs to get an entrance pop.
 
I actually rather enjoy the direction this feud is taking...except for the inclusion of Morrison. I've got to admit this, but Morrison's inclusion into the feud has seemed more like an intrusion from the beginning. The only reason, I suppose, is that there was no groundwork laid for it. Morrison has no personal stake at hand. If the WWE writers had written in some gradual bonding between Santino and Morrison or at least a friendly rapport, then it would make complete sense for Morrison to be saving Santino's bacon time and time again.

Now, as for the feud between Santino and Sheamus (and Koslov by extension) I do like that idea. It should be Koslov, not Morrison, making the save. The team of Santino and Koslov is a perfect foil for Sheamus. Santino is there as the mouthpiece for the witty (and often silly) taunts and jabs while Koslov can march in and gain the legit victories so as not to make Sheamus look weak. They have everything they need. Morrison? I just don't see that he's necessary in the whole equation.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not hating on Morrison as such as, personally, I think he's one of the more impressive ring-performers that the WWE has. If they wanted him to feud with Sheamus, they had all they needed ever since that big hardcore match the two of them had (I believe it was a Falls Count Anywhere match, but don't quote me on that.) I just don't see the sense in combining Morrison and Santino/Koslov in one feud with Sheamus. Seems a bit thrown together.

Still, I'm sure they can salvage it as long as they don't shunt Santino and Koslov. They're where the entertainment is in this feud.
 
I think this certainly has potential. They are captalizing on the Morrison/Sheamus falls count anymore a while back, which they should be after how amazing that match was and the response it got. Morrison doesn't need to talk, even though he can when he is a lot better as a heel, but thats been established. He's just better at being cocky is all. To say Morrison isn't great in the ring is complete BS. He's done some amazing things and has had great matches. The only thing I don't like about his in ring work is him using starship pain as a finisher. Its great to look at, but its more of a signature. Anyway back the feud, its great they are using santino in this as he can spark some life into it, but like someone above me said, they should have some "personal aspect" involved. There really was no reason for Morrison to help Santino, besides something like morrison saying he had sheamus beat in their last match and he knows he can beat him. Or he could pull a brock lesnar from 2003 when he called out big show and say hes tired of Sheamus "bullying" everyone and that hes not going to stand for it. No matter what happens, I just hope this feud can get Morrison over as he is indeed as JR once put it "A Main Event Waiting To Happen"
 
To Klown_Karnage I think WWE weren't expecting Kozlov to return, so they tried making out a Morrison-Sheamus fued. It now looks as though they can't get Morrison out of the picture now...

I like Morrison but I think he needs to fued with someone with more charisma than Sheamus, Morrison needs to fued with a veteran. Santino and Kozlov would now work much better in a fued with Sheamus you're right.
 
yes its good so far however morrison will gain little from this because hhh will b back soon which will put sheamus back in the spot light. with that said santino will b kotr mark my words. its a joke anyway so who better than he.
 
I was about to say what Klown beat me to. With Kozlov paired with Santino, and the crowd reaction Kozlov has gotten 'by extension,' it almost seems like a slap in the face that Kozlov isn't getting the shot at Seamus. I have to assume it's because Kozlov is still hurt.

Here you have a guy who 'challenged' Shawn Michaels for the right to face The Undertaker at Wrestlemania, and HBK was the one who ended Kozlov's year-long undefeated streak. He was getting a massive push, and then it fizzled.

I'd give Kozlov a better chance against Seamus than JoMo anyway, and I like Morrison.
 
I would take Santino screeching at the top of his lungs because Sheamus has sodomy on his mind any day, month, and even Jupiter Year over Morrison doing whatever he does.


Morrison is awful. Did you guys watch the run ins the past couple of weeks? There's no passion and fire from Morrison. It's like "Hey.. I gotta do this spot because I was booked to kick you in the face. Wait, let me barely faze you with a punch. Hold still so I won't botch the spot."

I think the reason that they have Morrison not jumping around like a fucking idiot, it to simply make him look like he is strong. With the beard, him fucking up Sheamus and saving Santino makes him look like a superhero, kinda in a Chuck Norris way, that manly type thing. And who are we to say he isn't good on the microphone? He's better than us isn't he? And they don't help him at all in the Microphone compartment because they have so much focus on Nexus & Cena that they can't even give this guy a pre taped interview or pre taped spot on the show that would make him be more comfortable over all with his speaking. Him & The Miz were feuding last year before bragging rights and there was a promo that he cut which was actually pretty solid. If given the chance to build up his Promo's hell even if it's at House Shows for a while, he could benefit from it.

As to people calling the man a Spot Monkey, he is very athletic and technically sound in the ring. Once again, your judging a man because he has a high flying finisher, so your destroying all of his actual In-Ring ability.
On another note, I Don't think Morrison should be face, I think he could be a great tweener. Tapping into his more Bad boy side often times, but still kicking Heel's asses.

The guy can wrestle and entertain better than all of us here... :rolleyes: I'd love to see some of you overweight, geeky, goofball losers get in the ring and do what he does. (.......Yeah.... that was a bit of a shoot)
 
The guy can wrestle and entertain better than all of us here... :rolleyes: I'd love to see some of you overweight, geeky, goofball losers get in the ring and do what he does. (.......Yeah.... that was a bit of a shoot)

Lame. :)

The issue with a lot of spot monkeys is the fact that they get over and make a name because of their 'athleticism' and the stuff they do in the ring. Then, when it's time to develop their character, they fail because they don't identify at all with the crowd and the crowd is dead unless they're jumping higher or flipping over more than ever before.

Ricky Ortiz was an example. Evan Bourne's matches can be fairly dead against most competitors until he goes for the Shooting Star Press. What these guys do is focus so much on going from big spot to big spot that they lose the crowd. The greats had presence - knew where they were, when to smile, when to sneer, when to appear frustrated. Shawn Michaels is the perfect example - he started off as a spot guy with the Rockers, but man did her ever break that mold.

Morrison, as much as I like the guy, does his ring entrance and pose, hits the ring, poses more, smiles for the kids, and then his tunnel vision is such that all he focuses on is the match. He loses the crowd because he's terrified of fucking up a big move or missing a reversal. It's the curse of the spot monkey - if you start playing to the crowd and miss your spot, you could get hurt, so focus on the spot and lose the crowd. No-win.
 
I think the reason that they have Morrison not jumping around like a fucking idiot, it to simply make him look like he is strong. With the beard, him fucking up Sheamus and saving Santino makes him look like a superhero, kinda in a Chuck Norris way, that manly type thing.

Didn't know Chuck Norris went around flashing his 40 pack abs while wearing glitter encrusted pants. And if that is the case, which is really reaching BTW, he is not the guy who should be pushed as an 'intense' guy. All of the Divas are more aggressive in the ring than he is.

And who are we to say he isn't good on the microphone? He's better than us isn't he?

As someone who has done public speaking, I am pretty sure I am better than him.

As someone who has seen this:

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and..

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I am 100000% percent confident I am better than this tool.

And they don't help him at all in the Microphone compartment because they have so much focus on Nexus & Cena that they can't even give this guy a pre taped interview or pre taped spot on the show that would make him be more comfortable over all with his speaking.

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't that segment with Maryse and Teddy the last time Morrison talked on Raw? If that is the case, I have no problem believing that is the reason he keeps his fucking mouth shut.


So, when are people going to admit that this guy has plateau and hit his ceiling a long time ago? Justin Gabriel is capable of doing everything does.. Except Justin is likable and actually connects with his flashy moves.
 
No, simply because John Morrison hasn't been made to look stronger than he is, and Sheamus hasn't been made to look any different than he's already been since his debut on Raw. If they book Morrison vs. Sheamus to be a legitimate feud, and it's not completely squashing Morrison, then the booking won't be consistent with the fact that Sheamus can end Triple-Goddamn-H's career. If he can take care of HHH, I don't see why Morrison is going to be any more than a minor blip on Sheamus' radar.

Great point. This is so predictable. No doubt it's an entertaining thus far, but it's predictable. If Sheamus "ended triple haytcch's" career what makes anyone believe that Morrison has a chance to beat him?
 
I say yes to both and you'd have to be kinda' bullshittin' if you don't agree with that. The reasoning why is John Morrison, coming out to save that dumb ass Santino, gets people on their feet. People jump and go fuckin' nuts. Not as nuts as people got when a legend returns, an awesome match finish occurs, or if something cool happened back in the Attitude Era, but he's getting a reaction. Reactions don't really happen too, too often these days because people are usually bored by the product in result of no one pushing the envelope.

John Morrison is getting more popular, yes, but the big gain from this is the overall entertainment. If Morrison doesn't get over (which he already has so that is pretty much an irrelevant thing to say), Vladimir is no longer doing stupid meaningless matches on Superstars exclusively, Santino is appearing in the middle of the RAW show each week and instead of wrestling comedic matches, he's in somewhat relevant comedy skits, which is something that he should stick to doing, instead of wasting my damn time wrestling in the ring.

All the while this is happening, Sheamus is looking strong, becoming more arrogant, becoming more established as a heel, and actually has something to do than to chase the WWE Championship, failing constantly. Isn't anyone else sick of seeing Sheamus dominate the top babyfaces but always come out of the match with a tainted victory or a clean no-bullshit loss? I know I am.
 
Didn't know Chuck Norris went around flashing his 40 pack abs while wearing glitter encrusted pants. And if that is the case, which is really reaching BTW, he is not the guy who should be pushed as an 'intense' guy. All of the Divas are more aggressive in the ring than he is.

And yet he's actually capable of producing damn good matches. He's not monsterously intense but he's fun as fuck to watch and that's what matters to me.

As someone who has done public speaking, I am pretty sure I am better than him.

As someone who's done public speaking and acted to an audience, I am pretty sure that neither of us would be better than him if we were called to cut a live promo tommorow.

As someone who has seen this:

[YOUTUBE]2NRW-Qz_0xk[/YOUTUBE]

and..

[YOUTUBE]7A-DsHxfMyU[/YOUTUBE]

I am 100000% percent confident I am better than this tool.

Yeah, way to use a bad script as evidence that a guy sucks on the mic. Don't get me wrong, John Morrison DOES suck on the mic, but at least be fair.

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't that segment with Maryse and Teddy the last time Morrison talked on Raw? If that is the case, I have no problem believing that is the reason he keeps his fucking mouth shut.

Sarcy, every time you post you seem like more of an idiot. I'd advise you to stop.

So, when are people going to admit that this guy has plateau and hit his ceiling a long time ago? Justin Gabriel is capable of doing everything does.. Except Justin is likable and actually connects with his flashy moves.

Yes, Justin Gabriel is better than John Morrison (and why wouldn't he be? He's got 6 years of experience on him). However Gabriel is kind of busy right now with Nexus and all, and Morrison is someone who'd fit into the main event scene right now. He'll never be someone who carries a show, but as a transitional champ, sure.

Fact is, Morrison is capable of main event level matches and has beaten enough former world champions to be believable as a world champion himself. Like it or loathe it he's going to win the WWE title before too long and this feud is going to help him do so, as he'll be wrestling the guy fresh off of dropping the title and wrestling good, high profile matches. Which is pretty much what's needed for him to make it into the Main Event.
 
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Do you like the way WWE has built up this feud so far?

Do you think Morrison could gaain something from this feud or will this just end up as a comedy feud?

1. Love it. I remember posting this about Santino in a thread I created for him. I think it's brilliant. People thought the moment was a big time waste, but didn't seem to realize that it was to enhance this feud, without making it the traditional one guy hates other guy, so they fight and neither gets the clear upper hand so they fight on a PPV. It was unique. Also, when they do finally meet up, it will be unique because other then the 10 second attack Morrison dishes out, they aren't touching. You haven't seen these two in the ring with each other. Very unique.

2. I have a feeling this program could be prolonged. It could be the feud that either makes or breaks Morrison. Due to his talent, I'm hoping he makes it through this one. I at least see one big match coming out of it. Perhaps, hopefully, more.
 
Well its pretty interesting to see that some of you would like to see Kozlov in this position rather than Morrison. Kozlov does have a great look but he pretty shoddy in the ring as well as bad on the mic. Now he does seem funny because he messes up his lines a lot but he can be a pain when it comes down to serious promos.

Now Morrison is a spot monkey. There are no two ways about it. But as IC 25 pointed out in HBK's case spot monkey's can improve but I don't think a guy like Kozlov can. He needs to seriously brush up his mic skills though. Santino won't be around to help him each and every time ya know.
 
Yes and no both.

Yes because Santino doing the talking, Sheamus doing the actions and Morrison making the saves is interesting. It's totally fun to watch. If done in the right way, this fued could come close to the Nexus-Cena-Orton fued.

No because this isn't the perfect way to build Morrison. I mean, it's a good way but not the perfect way. It has to be by Morrison beating Sheamus 2-3 times and annoying him and not by making saves. To me, this looks more like a Santino-Sheamus fued than a Morrison-Sheamus fued.

Yeah, but certainly, this fued will help solidify Morrison. He's gonna be a main-eventer after this fued ends. And he needs to give credit to Sheamus and of course, The Cobra.
 
Santino has been used brilliantly thus far....and what would be great to see is Sheamus beat Santino at Survivor Series....Santino then decides to train harder....starts winning a few matches with the help of Koslov and they continue tagging and feud with Gabriel/Slater and give those 2 members of Nexus more of a focus whilst allowing JoMo/Sheamus to feud alone.
 
Well its pretty interesting to see that some of you would like to see Kozlov in this position rather than Morrison.

Here's another one.

Kozlov does have a great look but he pretty shoddy in the ring as well as bad on the mic.

So were the majority of the ME'ers in the 80's.

Now he does seem funny because he messes up his lines a lot but he can be a pain when it comes down to serious promos.

I understand what you mean, but imo, he doesn't need to be able to give such promos in his current position, and when he was having his heel push a couple of years, ago, he didn't need to then either.

When i first watched Kozlov come down to the ring, with no music, no entrance video, just the spotlight and the angry scowl on his face, I was pretty much hooked from there.

'Wow, this guy doesn't even have entrance music, and not in the 'i know full well he's going to job for a week and then be gone' way.'

He delivered a promo in Russian, and followed it by a simple one sentence threat in English. I was hooked even further.

Everyone loves to bleat on about promo work these days. Does no one remember that guys like Kane and Umaga got over without ever saying a single word? In Kane's case, he didn't even give a proper promo until 2000. So that's 3 years where he rarely ever spoke, and if he did, it was like 2 sentences, if that, and that was as both a heel and a face.

So why is it now mandatory that Vlad Kozlov should be this super charismatic, articulate speaker? When guys worse than him i.e. The Sultan, never gave promos and were still given title belts to work with? Yet Kozlov's in a comedy tag team.

Instead of being used in the same capacity as say, Umaga, Sultan, masked Kane, or even an early Abyss, they've decided to give him the Kurrgan treatment. Lump him with comedy jobbers until it's not funny anymore and then fire him.

Kozlov could probably do more than we've ever actually seen, they just don't ever take a shot with the guy, which is stupid because his push in '08 was going perfectly until they decided to stop and dump him on ECW with Regal and Jackson of all people.

Utterly stupid, and a waste of a decent wrestler. Sheamus' push was stupid compared to Kozlov's yet he's been the champion twice, with the second fastest World title win in WWE history. Kozlov probably couldn't even describe the belt to you, having never been allowed anywhere near it except that one title shot, where shock booking determined the outcome.

Kozlov debuts, squashes jobbers, squashes mid-carders, squashes upper-mid carders, and then beats HHH, Jeff Hardy AND the Undertaker, SD's three biggest stars, and three of the biggest stars in WWE overall, one on one each, CLEAN, and then loses an EC match, loses to HBK, goes to ECW, beats the ECW champion clean in a non-title match, and then his name isn't relevant again until now.

Sheamus debuts on ECW, does nothing, comes to Raw, history is re-written to say he was never on ECW, he beats Jamie Noble up for like 3 weeks straight, wins a #1 contenders Battle Royal, wrestles Cena in a Tables match, where i don't think he actually hit more than 3 moves in the whole match, and won the title.

WHAT-THE-FUCK?

Debating and additional ranting aside, onto the questions at hand.....

I haven't watched RAW in months, but i'd honestly be more interested in Santino OR Kozlov fueding with Sheamus, than watching JoMo do anything to be perfectly honest.

John Morrison is the new Jeff Hardy. So that means he's got to jump off stuff for another 5 or 6 years before WWE consider him worth pushing for real.

Why do so many people keep saying 'He WILL be World Champion soon.....'?

Can you predict the future?
Do you work backstage in WWE?
Has any wrestling news publication said anything about WWE Creative wanting to use JoMo for any significant fueds or pushes anytime soon?

If the answer to all of these is 'no', yet you've posted somewhere that JoMo WILL be World Champion, than you're a fool. The fact that Melina and Miz have gone on to do more significant things than JoMo, despite being in WWE longer than both of them, would suggest to anyone who can process logic, that he's not likely to become anything anytime soon.

And who was it that tried to defend him being a spot monkey, claiming that having a top rope finisher didn't make him a spot monkey?

What about moonsaulting off the turnbuckle with a ladder in his arms to the outside at WM24? THAT's what a spot monkey does.

OR, better still, more recently, jumping off the stage set during the Triple Threat Submission match at HIAC? THAT's what a spot monkey does. It wasn't necessary, it didn't help the match in any significant way except to start a 'this is awesome' chant, which was directed at the WHOLE match, not just JoMo, and it overshadowed everything else JoMo did in that ENTIRE match.

Will it help JoMo's career? Only if he's allowed to develop some kind of character during it's run. If he's just going to do run in saves and the GM's just going to announce matches, and he doesn't have a single interview with Grisham or verbal exchange with Sheamus, then no it won't do a damn thing.

Know why Kofi attacking Orton got him over so much? Because he showed character development and had significant mic time. From what i gather, Santino, Kozlov and Sheamus have been doing all the talking so far, and joMo hasn't said a word........ i'm just so certain that this fued will do wonders for him.... NOT!
 
Here's another one.

Um....I started this thread.


As for the rest of your incredibly long rant I do know that a lot of old school guys like him. But there are plenty of monstrous figures on Raw right now. There's Sheamus, Wade Barrett and Ezekiel Jackson. Another thing is if you push him you have to give him a monster-like gimmick. That type of gimmick works only on a main eventer and there are plenty of ME's on Raw right now. The best thing Kozlov could do is go off to Smackdown because there is actually a dearth of main event heels there but as far as backstage reports go he is actually enjoying this comedy stuff he is doing so why try changing something that is working?

And if having a great look was the only factor then I guess Khali should have held a few more titles.

As for Sheamus he's better on the mic and has more dimensions to his character than Kozlov. You know there are only a handful of ways you can book a monster heel. Though in all fairness it have done Kozlov a world of good had he known the way to HHH's gym.

And I'm in no way a Morrison fan. He is more like the next RVD more than the next HBK. All I'm saying is that if they have given him a feud to work with then there should be a way to mask his almost non existent personality and that is what WWE has done well by involving Santino in this feud.
 
And who was it that tried to defend him being a spot monkey, claiming that having a top rope finisher didn't make him a spot monkey?

What about moonsaulting off the turnbuckle with a ladder in his arms to the outside at WM24? THAT's what a spot monkey does.

OR, better still, more recently, jumping off the stage set during the Triple Threat Submission match at HIAC? THAT's what a spot monkey does. It wasn't necessary, it didn't help the match in any significant way except to start a 'this is awesome' chant, which was directed at the WHOLE match, not just JoMo, and it overshadowed everything else JoMo did in that ENTIRE match.

Uhhh okay, although I agree that morrison can be quite a bit of a spot monkey, don't ever say that just because someone has a top rope finisher, they're automatically one. Just, go back, delete your message or correct yourself.

Oh, and it was a Triple Threat Submissions Count Anywhere Match. That pretty much means crazy stuff has to be done to entertain the audience members who are looking for something crazy.
 
screw this angle.
morrison, waste of pay.
sheamus, main-eventer.

its a waste of time to try to build morrison.
why waste that time.
spend it building cmpunk.
he needs an angle for when he returns.

or, spend it on the 20 nexus guys that arent doing anything.

heck, do something with daniel bryan.
atleast he can work.
 

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