UFC 104's Controversial Ending *Spoiler Alert*

[Slyfox's Bitch]

Rua was robbed, but, not 'nuff said.

UFC 104's main event far exceeded any hype, and any prediction. Lyoto Machida Vs Mauricio Rua; The match was an absolute and glorious definition of mixed martial arts and even all-out fighting. I think many of us, no matter who we rooted for, had hard-ons for Rua as he decimated (Yes, DECIMATED) Machida in the majority of the rounds. The decision was an absolute boner-breaking, orgasm-halting, load of bullshite. Why, you may ask. Well, I think there's a huge marketing scheme behind this all called image. I'm starting to think that's the main reason why Rua didn't get the Decision that any MMA fan from beginner to expert could obviously see. You see Machida has an big image when it comes to casual MMA fans, whilst Rua does not. There's a whole fanbase when it comes to Machida. He has his own style, his own way of doing things, and his very loving personality. He's like a superhero telling kids to do their homework, eat their vitamins, drink their milk, etc. There is lot's of money in Machida's big name. When it comes to money, people hunger for longevity of that money flow. Machida's only threat in the LHW division was Rua, really, since Rua's fighting style is the only one that could counteract Machida's, as you can see from the fight. Rua is not a big name anymore, and certainly not in the eyes of casual fans. He is a great fighter, and he deserved that win, that title, that moment, but it would probably cost the UFC a tiny bit of money, but not even close to enough that it would be recognizeable. This is just another example of big companies choosing the viewer's money of satisfaction. Even I, a hardcore Machida fan, could really see that he absolutely lost. He fell over twice, one by missed kick, the other by leg kick. He nearly stumbled a few times from leg kicks, was hit more by Rua then he hit Rua, and really did not win any round by unanimous at all. He was tired out for the majority of the match, showed signs of obvious damage, and even looked lost.

What's your take on my thoughts? What are your thoughts? I know there's only like 4 guys that post in the MMA threads, and like 2 that are up this late, but I'd like to know.

 

[RAUl Mf. L0wk0]

Wow this fight definetly what MMA is all bout but fuckkk. Damn dude im with you on being a Machida fan, but he clearly lost that fight. And im pretty sure he knew he lost even though his corner repeatly said he was winning. I felt really pissed when Machida won and he himself looked surprised too. And the scores? Wow! I didnt know what fight the judges were watching! Seriously Rua, won everyround except for i think it was round 2 or 3 which was a round that couldve went either way. I dont get what the judges scored Machida on...he basically striiked Rua like once or twice and ran away. And I get its his fighting style and i really digg his style but that wasnt gonna win him the fight against Rua, who was fighting really smart in this bout. He showed some of Machidas weaknesses. Shit, and after tonight im pretty sure people are gonna know who Mauricio "Shogun" Rua is again. Shoguns back baby hahah!

Well you really can't say its really the UFC's fault by saying they went with him on this fight. Dana White even looked really dissapointed and said on the Post- Press Conference that he'll get a Machida/Rua match as soon as possible. Because these descions are done by judges outside of the UFC from Nevadas Atheltic Commission. These Judges have done many bullshit desicions in the past and i think this desicion has pissed me off more than others in the past. Either these guys dont know nothing about MMA or WTF? Even if you dont know anything about MMA, Shogun obiousvly won.

And Joe Silva and Dana White should make this Rematch ASAP! If they dont then i dont have faith in UFC no more ahahaha..good match either.

Just Wow...like serioo.

 

[jmt225]

And Joe Silva and Dana White should make this Rematch ASAP! If they dont then i dont have faith in UFC no more ahahaha..good match either.

That's why this is so win-win. I really think a rematch will be set immediately. And you know what? That's perfect for the UFC because with Rampage dropping out of his fight with Evans, there is no one really deserving of a Light Heavyweight Title shot right now. Hell, you could argue that Shogun wasn't deserving of his shot to begin with, but that just shows how much the division is lacking contenders right now, with so many guys winning 2 fights, then losing 1, then winning 2 more and losing another.

Anyway, as far as the fight itself.... I so badly wanted to disagree with everyone and say Machida clearly won, but that's not the case at all. If you ask me, no one really won that fight. Sure, if I was judging, I probably would have scored in favor of Shogun, but at the same time... you hate to see the title change hands like that. I hated it with the Forrest/Rampage fight, and I would have hated to see it happen with this fight. It was too close, and there wasn't any real damage done to either opponent to determine a clear winner, which is perfect because we'll now, most likely, get a continuation of this fight someday soon and we'll get a real winner with that fight, hopefully. With this controversial decision, Shogun has to get a rematch right now; whereas if Shogun would have won, then Machida would have probably had to beat one or two more guys to get another title shot.

So, what I'm saying is, while I disagree with the decision, I'm happy it went the way it went. That is, if the UFC is smart and gives us the rematch sooner rather than later, which I'm optimistic they will.

 

[WinstonDeckard]

That's why this is so win-win. I really think a rematch will be set immediately. And you know what? That's perfect for the UFC because with Rampage dropping out of his fight with Evans, there is no one really deserving of a Light Heavyweight Title shot right now. Hell, you could argue that Shogun wasn't deserving of his shot to begin with, but that just shows how much the division is lacking contenders right now, with so many guys winning 2 fights, then losing 1, then winning 2 more and losing another.

Anyway, as far as the fight itself.... I so badly wanted to disagree with everyone and say Machida clearly won, but that's not the case at all. If you ask me, no one really won that fight. Sure, if I was judging, I probably would have scored in favor of Shogun, but at the same time... you hate to see the title change hands like that. I hated it with the Forrest/Rampage fight, and I would have hated to see it happen with this fight. It was too close, and there wasn't any real damage done to either opponent to determine a clear winner, which is perfect because we'll now, most likely, get a continuation of this fight someday soon and we'll get a real winner with that fight, hopefully. With this controversial decision, Shogun has to get a rematch right now; whereas if Shogun would have won, then Machida would have probably had to beat one or two more guys to get another title shot.

So, what I'm saying is, while I disagree with the decision, I'm happy it went the way it went. That is, if the UFC is smart and gives us the rematch sooner rather than later, which I'm optimistic they will.

I understand the logic, but I still take issue with the decision. The problem I have with the rematch is that Shogun will now be forced to be the aggressor (since he knows he has to avoid the judges), clearly something Machida preys on. What stifled Machida was Shogun's patience, it brought Machida out of his comfort zone but now with the rematch Shogun will be playing right into Machida's strength as a fighter. In the end it was still the wrong decision because now Shogun has to fight Machida's fight instead of his own. Unfortunately I feel Shogun will lose the rematch for this reason and Machida will still be in my mind an unjust and paper champion.

 

[jmt225]

I understand the logic, but I still take issue with the decision. The problem I have with the rematch is that Shogun will now be forced to be the aggressor (since he knows he has to avoid the judges), clearly something Machida preys on. What stifled Machida was Shogun's patience, it brought Machida out of his comfort zone but now with the rematch Shogun will be playing right into Machida's strength as a fighter. In the end it was still the wrong decision because now Shogun has to fight Machida's fight instead of his own. Unfortunately I feel Shogun will lose the rematch for this reason and Machida will still be in my mind an unjust and paper champion.

Well, I have to disagree with you here. I really, really think the rematch will happen anywhere but Vegas, so I don't think Shogun will have to be worried about the judges. Let's say the fight happens in England, the judging will be much different, obviously.

However, I do think Machida will win the rematch, but not because of how you said he would. Let's say if Shogun keeps the same gameplan, then Machida will obviously be prepared for it. The downfall about leg kicks and body shots, and why you don't see them so often, is because they leave you vulnerable for the takedown, and I think if Shogun fights the same way he did in the 1st fight, Machida will start taking Shogun down every time he attempts a leg or body kick. And Machida's a black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, so he doesn't have to worry about being subbed, if he decides to take the fight to the ground.

Now, if Shogun does decide be more aggressive, then he'll pay for it, definitely. However, I really don't see that being the case. Shogun's going to have to come up with something that Machida would never expect, for him to stand a chance. But if Shogun does fight the same fight he did in the 1st fight, and ends up clearly winning, again.... then Machida never deserved to be champ in the first place.

 

[antfarm612]

Now, if Shogun does decide be more aggressive, then he'll pay for it, definitely. However, I really don't see that being the case. Shogun's going to have to come up with something that Machida would never expect, for him to stand a chance. But if Shogun does fight the same fight he did in the 1st fight, and ends up clearly winning, again.... then Machida never deserved to be champ in the first place.

That doesn't make any sense. If Shogun beats him, then his KNOCK-OUT win over Rashad Evans, the former champion, is worthless?

 

[jmt225]

That doesn't make any sense. If Shogun beats him, then his KNOCK-OUT win over Rashad Evans, the former champion, is worthless?

It was a form of expression, not to be taken literally.

But nonetheless... if Machida loses the next fight in the same kind of fashion he "won" the first fight, then he will then be extremely dumb in my eyes and I don't think he will win many fights after that, because it will be exposed that he refuses or just doesn't know how to defend leg kicks and body shots.

 

[WinstonDeckard]

But that's my problem with the whole thing. Shogun fought a fight tailor made for Machida on that night. He won, the judges disagreed. Now Machida will have the advantage regardless. That's my problem with the decision. Ya we get an immediate rematch but he has the upper hand going in since he will know Shogun's game plan, as opposed to being at a loss on Saturday. So either way I look at it I hardly see it as a positive because one man clearly has the edge as opposed to both men being on equal footing.

Also, even if the fight isn't in Las Vegas I would think that Shogun will be rather hesitant to let it go to the judges. Sure it's in a different locale, but after what he went through I doubt that he would want to take that risk again.

 

[jmt225]

Shogun just has to come up with a new gameplan, man. I mean, you never know... had Shogun got the decision, then maybe there would have been an immediate rematch anyway. Like I said earlier... there aren't exactly a lot of guys in line for a Light Heavyweight Title shot right now. Well, except for maybe Anderson Silva, who would absolutely destroy Shogun, but he has to worry about Vitor Belfort right now.

Seriously, it's not like the only way to defeat Machida is with leg kicks and body shots. There has to be another way, and it's Shogun job to find it. If he doesn't... then it's no one but his own fault that he's won't be champion.

 

[jmt225]

Hey guys, a quick, exciting update:

Dave Meltzer is reporting that Machida vs. Shogun 2 will happen on January 2nd!

So, what more could you ask for from a fan's point of view? The first fight was awesome, and now we just get five more rounds of continuation from it, as I've been mentioning over and over since the ridiculous judging was announced.

If this report turns out to be true, then props to Machida for taking the fight so soon, and props to the UFC for making this happen so quickly. I, for one, cannot wait.