Topic #5, Group #1: Greatest Dynasty

[klunderbunker]

If you haven't checked, there are new group allignments. Make sure you are in the right group before posting.

This thread is to be used by those in Group #1 (see the stickied thread for rosters if you're unsure of where you are). Any other posts in here will be flagged for spam and deleted. You have four days from the time this is posted to post (as in the time this is posted on Sunday, which is approximately when the new topic will go up. Note that I mean 96 hours after MY initial post, not the lead off debater.) your arguments, rebuttals and anything else you want. Best overall debater in that time period receives 10 points, second receives 9, third receives 8, all others receive 7.

Hitting Lead-Off in this debate is Noah. He has 24 hours to reply and if he doesn't then it's open season.

Again: 4 days, best overall poster gets first place points.

Topic: What team has had the greatest dynasty in sports? This can be pro or college.

Scores will be posted as soon as the three judges give their scores.

Go.

 

[Big Sexy]

Open​

The greatest dynasty in the history of sports was the Chicago Bulls from the 90-91 season to the 97-98 season. Over the course of those 8 seasons the Bulls won 6 NBA titles. They went 6 for 6 in seasons that Michael Jordan played the whole way through. In 93-94 he sat out the entire season and playoffs and the Bulls were eliminated in round 2 of the playoffs. In 94-95 he played in just 17 of the 82 regular season games and played in the playoffs but after a near two year layoff he wasn’t completely himself and the Bulls lost once again in round 2 of the playoffs. There are a couple main reasons why the Bulls are the greatest dynasty in the history of sports.

Dominance​

The Bulls were a dominant team during their dynasty winning 61 or more games in 5 of the 8 regular seasons, including a 72-10 season in 95-96 which to this day stands as the best ever NBA regular season record. Two of the three seasons they failed to win at least 61 games were the years they were without MJ for most or all of the season. They still won 55 and 47 games respectively in those two seasons. The other season they were under 61 was 92-93 when they won 57 games and won their 3rd NBA title. The Bulls had to win 4 playoff series each time they won the NBA title. With 6 championships that is 24 playoff series. In those 24 series only two of them went to 7 games and ZERO of their NBA Finals series went to 7 games. Not many teams were able to really challenge them and put them on the brink of elimination.

Competition​

The competition the Bulls faced was top notch. Just to get to the NBA Finals was no easy task. The two seasons prior to the Bulls first NBA title they had made the Eastern Conference Finals both seasons and both times they were eliminated in hard fought series against the eventual champion Detroit Pistons. In the 90-91 season they once again met up with the Pistons, who were going for a three peat, in the East Finals and the Bulls were able to sweep them en route to their first title. They also had to go through other elite teams like the Patrick Ewing led Knicks, Reggie Miller led Pacers, Brad Daugherty/Larry Nance/Mark Price led Cavs, Shaq and Penny led Magic, Alonzo Mourning/Tim Hardaway/Jamal Mashburn led Heat, and I haven’t even gotten to their NBA Finals opponents yet. In the Finals they took out Magic and the Lakers, Clyde Drexler and the Trail Blazers, Charles Barkley/Kevin Johnson/Dan Majerle and the Suns, the Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp led Sonics, and the John Stockton and Karl Malone led Jazz. The Bulls dynasty was directly responsible for all time greats like Barkley, Ewing, Miller, Stockton, and Malone not winning NBA Titles in their careers.

 

[Cena's Little Helper]

There's no doubt in my mind that the greatest dynasty of all time is the 1957-1969 Boston Celtics. Over 13 seasons, this team won 11 NBA championships, with eight of them coming consecutively from 1959-1966. While their roster consisted of virtually nothing but future Hall of Famers, it could confidently be argued that none of them would have been as great as they were without the leadership of Red Auerbach (Boston Celtics coach from 1950-1967), one of the all-time winningest coaches in the NBA's history. Stressing teamwork over individual accomplishment, a league-leading scorer never numbered among the Celtics that Auerbach led to so many championships. In lieu of a true superstar, Auerbach stressed play that heavily relied on fast breaks and a reserve player that came off the bench more than others (this is what we refer to today as a the "sixth man").

While there have been other NBA dynasties, all of them depended on a high-profile player or two instead of almost wholly on a then-pioneering style of coaching. While dominant talent in the NBA is undoubtedly more exciting to watch, success built less on exceptional talent and more on ingenious strategy is always more impressive. Ultimately, this is what leads me to believe that no other sports dynasty is as great as that of the 1957-1969 Celtics.

 

[Big Sexy]

There's no doubt in my mind that the greatest dynasty of all time is the 1957-1969 Boston Celtics. Over 13 seasons, this team won 11 NBA championships, with eight of them coming consecutively from 1959-1966. While their roster consisted of virtually nothing but future Hall of Famers, it could confidently be argued that none of them would have been as great as they were without the leadership of Red Auerbach (Boston Celtics coach from 1950-1967), one of the all-time winningest coaches in the NBA's history. Stressing teamwork over individual accomplishment, a league-leading scorer never numbered among the Celtics that Auerbach led to so many championships. In lieu of a true superstar, Auerbach stressed play that heavily relied on fast breaks and a reserve player that came off the bench more than others (this is what we refer to today as a the "sixth man").

While there have been other NBA dynasties, all of them depended on a high-profile player or two instead of almost wholly on a then-pioneering style of coaching. While dominant talent in the NBA is undoubtedly more exciting to watch, success built less on exceptional talent and more on ingenious strategy is always more impressive. Ultimately, this is what leads me to believe that no other sports dynasty is as great as that of the 1957-1969 Celtics.

1. The Bulls were also led by one of the greatest coaches in NBA history. Phil Jackson has won 11 NBA titles in his career with 6 of those coming in Chicago with the Bulls.

2. The Celtics dynasty took place during a time when there was not much parity at all in the NBA. For 8 of the Celtics 11 championships during this dynasty there were only 2 rounds in the playoffs and for the last 3 there were only 3 rounds as opposed to the 4 the Bulls went through every title they won. The C's also faced little competition for the most part. There were only 8 NBA teams for the first 4 titles they won. Then there were just 9 teams for the next 5 they won. Also, as you said, there team was full of Hall of Famers. At times during there dynasty they had as many as 7 future HOFers on the roster.

The Bulls faced better competition and had less on their roster.