Yes, they can be changed but you act like changing them is some easy task and it isn't. The chances of these drastic changes happening that you are suggesting are slim to none. I stick to the practical side because that is the side that is most relevant.
So, essentially what you're saying here is that college athletes from profitable varsity sports shouldn't be paid because it'd be too much of a bitch to change the rules? This is probably one of the biggest cop-outs to a compelling argument that I've ever seen.
If football players deserve to be see more of the profit they create, then the current rules should be the least of anyone's concern.
Again, you refuse to argue the question at hand: Should college athletes be paid? You keep on arguing the following question: Can college athletes be paid under current NCAA guidelines?
I always back up my sources when asked.
Back up all of your sources for all the factual statements you've claimed to have made in this debate, especially the one concerning what would happen should players be allowed to play. You said I hadn't refuted it (I definitely refuted your argument for parity not being a consequence of a pay-for-play system), so I assume you have a source to back this claim.
Maybe that was true for one year. But this study
http://sportsologist.com/college-athletics-by-the-number/ from 2004-2009 shows only 57% of FBS programs were profitable.
This article:
http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/20...y-grows-on-football-program-instead-of-trees/ shows that only 78 FBS schools had a positive net revenue and the article is from June 2009.
We're arguing college football now, not athletic programs as a whole, so the first article is totally irrelevant to the debate at hand.
As to the second article: that's still a total profit of $1,026,810,000. Who's to say that that profit can't be shared between all Division IA schools? As a matter of fact, this is what's happening as we speak: a lot of bowl-eligible teams are emigrating to one of the six conferences with automatic BCS bids. Even if profit stayed the same over the next few years (it did grow by 7% for the 2009-2010 season, by the way), the percentage of profitable football programs would rise due to this aforementioned emigration.
All of this is to say the following: profitability has been on an upward trend for college football programs. The only relevant season to look at would be last year's season (until the statistics for this year come out, of course).
It is debatable since all we can do is theorize about it. I've given sound reasoning for my position and there's nothing that's been said in this thread that brings it into question.
I know exactly what you did with your argument but I'm saying that there are way too many holes for your argument to realistically work. Paying the football players would cause athletic programs to lose even more money then they already are, sacrificing every other team. And yes I know in your hypothetical plan you are going to get rid of all the other teams save for a couple women's teams to comply with Title IX. However, I'd rather argue something that is actually realistic then some hypothetical plan that has virtually no chance of happening. You have chosen to argue theoretically and I have chosen to argue more practically. By reading the thread question there is no way to 100% say which way of arguing is better but I'll take realism over a fantasy world. The question says should they pay college players and I say no because it negatively affects college athletics in the current NCAA world. The NCAA world that is very unlikely to see drastic changes anytime soon.
Read what I wrote to your first passage. Also, if arguing about this is such a moot point, then why was it chosen as a debate topic? Furthermore, why has it sparked so much academic debate?
That's all well and good but the best schools are going to recruit the best players.
So, you're essentially agreeing with me here that the best schools already get the best players? Why would paying them make a difference then? They're just going to get a bunch of people they don't want knocking at their door.
I understand it completely. What do you not understand about their being more then 1 or two big time profitable schools?
I don't understand this because it's completely false.
If there are 20 schools that are very profitable and they each have 25 scholarships, then that is 500 top players potentially gone. Schools that are in the same state as one of the more profitable schools would certainly have their recruiting suffer.
For the millionth time, there are more than 500 players available each year, and you already agreed with me that they are already recruited by the most profitable schools. How would paying them be any different?
Furthermore, the only programs that would potentially suffer are non-FBS football programs that probably lose money every year. How insignificant these programs are to the NFL is show by the fact that, over the past ten years, there have only been two players drafted in the first round that didn't come from a Division IA school.
Once again I'm not saying one school will take all of the top players but there are many profitable schools all with 25 scholarships that will affect the recruiting process negatively. Players with a choice between Michigan and Michigan State, USC and UCLA, Texas and Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State, will be much more likely to go to the more profitable in home state.
Erm, you might to think of better example; all eight of these schools finished in the top 50 for profits in the 2009-2010 season. They won't have any problem whatsoever recruiting players in a pay-for-play system.
ONCE AGAIN I'm not saying they will be going to one school, I'm saying decisions whether to go to a more profitable school or a less profitable one will be easier.
Tell me how this is relevant to the debate. This is a forgone conclusion, man; of course they're going to go to the school with the most profit. Does their going to the school with the most profit automatically mean that the school(s) they rejected won't be able to get an equally talented player? We've already agreed that the recruitment pool every year is deep; I fail to see how someone can be so much more significantly talented than another player that they'll create a huge disparity between teams. For every USC middle linebacker recruit, there are a 100 more out there waiting to be picked up by a school.
A pay-for-play scheme would do nothing to create disparity between FBS football programs. Recruitment pools are too deep and almost all of these schools would be able to offer their players some form of monetary compensation (they'd all be able to offer monetary compensation should they join a conference with an automatic BCS bid).
If a kid has a tough choice between two schools and one could pay more then the other because of profits who do you he's going to choose?
The one that offers the most money. Of course, salaries could always be capped to create parity. But, I'm not going to argue this point as I'm tired of you retreating to how much more practical your argument is.
I'm not saying they are a shit ton better but in many cases they are better players and when you are able to get more of these players then usual, the talent adds up therefore widening the gap between certain schools. There is a lot of parity with high school talent but once you get past the first few hundred players it gets less and less. Like I pointed out multiple times 20 high profit schools times 25 scholarships = 500 players. Not all 500 will go for the money but a large amount of them will.
I'm not going to repeat myself anymore. I've already overcome this objection at least 5 times. You can go ahead and rebut this post if you like. I'll be making my closing argument either late tonight or tomorrow afternoon.