in 2011 after the summer of punk, over 95% of the wwe roster walked out on hhh, cause things where out of control how bout a face walk out, hhh keeps making the wwe superstars angry and they have a major walkout, which leads to vince firing hhh turning on hhh, and leads hhh to being the outsider with orton and shield dominate the wwe, with attacks. and then leading to a hhh vs vince at wrestlemania 30? would you enjoy this i know i would
The walk out part 2.
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I actually think a walk out happens eventually...but it will be orchestrated by a legend.
If I were booking the episode..i'd have one where there were zero "faces" at the show and also ZERO FANS.
Now, you ask...how do you do that?
Pretape the opening. tape the opening segment about 3 hours prior to show...before they let anyone in the building.
I'd even have the fans who are to attend the show have a "pre show party/tailgate" in the parking lot with the boycotting superstars. That way...the first thing you see when RAW comes on the air is HHH standing in an empty arena wondering where everyone is.
And the leader of the boycott....NOT Daniel Bryan...but HBK...Daniel's former trainer...and HHH's best friend.
If I were booking the episode..i'd have one where there were zero "faces" at the show and also ZERO FANS.
Now, you ask...how do you do that?
Pretape the opening. tape the opening segment about 3 hours prior to show...before they let anyone in the building.
I'd even have the fans who are to attend the show have a "pre show party/tailgate" in the parking lot with the boycotting superstars. That way...the first thing you see when RAW comes on the air is HHH standing in an empty arena wondering where everyone is.
And the leader of the boycott....NOT Daniel Bryan...but HBK...Daniel's former trainer...and HHH's best friend.
It is a possibility and when the entire roster were stood at the top of the stage a walk-out looked like a possibility. If they want to do a walk-out then there are two options: the division between Vince and HHH or a face leading a split in the roster.
Having Vince or HHH turn on each other would be a good step after a walk out. I would personally prefer if HHH was face but they could go either way.
The other option is if the roster just walks out and Vince/HHH are not able to stop them. Then there is another person that brings the outcasts back onto the roster and have a full blown feud against Vince/HHH. HBK would be a good choice because of his history with HHH and Bryan.
Personally, I think that they will keep it relatively basic. The Shield, Barrett, Show, Henry, Ziggler, The Miz and maybe guys like Christian, RVD, Sandow and The Real Americans. If they use the entire roster than it becomes ridiculous and they turn into TNA or late WCW.
Having Vince or HHH turn on each other would be a good step after a walk out. I would personally prefer if HHH was face but they could go either way.
The other option is if the roster just walks out and Vince/HHH are not able to stop them. Then there is another person that brings the outcasts back onto the roster and have a full blown feud against Vince/HHH. HBK would be a good choice because of his history with HHH and Bryan.
Personally, I think that they will keep it relatively basic. The Shield, Barrett, Show, Henry, Ziggler, The Miz and maybe guys like Christian, RVD, Sandow and The Real Americans. If they use the entire roster than it becomes ridiculous and they turn into TNA or late WCW.
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Well, there's still some rumors going about in which either Vince or Triple H turns face at some point between now & WM. The original idea was for the power struggle to culminate at the big event with Vince having some wrestler stand in for him and facing either Triple H or a wrestler standing in for Trips. However, I don't know if that idea has been abandoned or has merely been put on hold for the moment so that it can be brought up as WM gets closer. For instance, WWE has a new ppv called Battleground later this year, so maybe Battleground could be used as sort of a stage after the roster "splits" with one half joining Vince's camp while the other is on Triple H's side. I think that's as close as it's going to get to any sort of repeat of the walk out angle.
The walk out was a unique idea but it really was better on paper than in practice. The idea of practically the entire roster going "on strike" is one that's just a little too unrealistic for people to buy into. Maybe, and I do mean MAYBE, if WWE really put some effort into the angle by working something out with USA in which Raw didn't air for a few weeks, it MIGHT have had a more solid foundation for authenticity and generate interest to see what was going to happen. It MIGHT have even popped a big rating for Raw after a few weeks in which it was announced that an "agreement" had been reached. However, this is an angle that would have had to be booked & thought out VERY far in advance in order for WWE to adjust its touring schedule. By the time you factor in the potential for lost revenue for WWE television tapings and house shows, the whole idea probably wouldn't be worth it when it's all said and done.
As a result, the walk out generally came about as a kind of half assed attempt to generate interest for the next episode. The problem is, as I said, it's too unrealistic even for wrestling audiences to buy into when just about EVERYONE had to know that it would all be "cleared up" by the next week.
As for Vince vs. Triple H for WM, it's a match that shouldn't happen. Triple H is still a highly capable in-ring performer and a vigorously healthy, 44 year old man with a physique that most men half his age would like to have. Vince McMahon is a 68 year old man with a hip replacement whose best years are physically FAR, FAR behind him no matter how much he might still work out. That was already evident with Vince's match against Bret Hart at WM 26. It's much too uneven and the match itself would be filled with any number of shenanigans in order to compensate for the physical mismatch. As a result, the match would probably be a boring clusterfuck that would just suck the energy out of the audience in the arena and at home.
The walk out was a unique idea but it really was better on paper than in practice. The idea of practically the entire roster going "on strike" is one that's just a little too unrealistic for people to buy into. Maybe, and I do mean MAYBE, if WWE really put some effort into the angle by working something out with USA in which Raw didn't air for a few weeks, it MIGHT have had a more solid foundation for authenticity and generate interest to see what was going to happen. It MIGHT have even popped a big rating for Raw after a few weeks in which it was announced that an "agreement" had been reached. However, this is an angle that would have had to be booked & thought out VERY far in advance in order for WWE to adjust its touring schedule. By the time you factor in the potential for lost revenue for WWE television tapings and house shows, the whole idea probably wouldn't be worth it when it's all said and done.
As a result, the walk out generally came about as a kind of half assed attempt to generate interest for the next episode. The problem is, as I said, it's too unrealistic even for wrestling audiences to buy into when just about EVERYONE had to know that it would all be "cleared up" by the next week.
As for Vince vs. Triple H for WM, it's a match that shouldn't happen. Triple H is still a highly capable in-ring performer and a vigorously healthy, 44 year old man with a physique that most men half his age would like to have. Vince McMahon is a 68 year old man with a hip replacement whose best years are physically FAR, FAR behind him no matter how much he might still work out. That was already evident with Vince's match against Bret Hart at WM 26. It's much too uneven and the match itself would be filled with any number of shenanigans in order to compensate for the physical mismatch. As a result, the match would probably be a boring clusterfuck that would just suck the energy out of the audience in the arena and at home.
enviousdominous
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At the moment they're making bank milking the hell out of a long term story-line involving Daniel Bryan as the ultimate underdog and HHH as a harsh but consummate business man. Stephanie is in there somewhere too, but she's the McMahon version of Daniel Baldwin so she basically has to be.
HHH vs Vince would be neat, but it seems like something they'd have to force on the crowd as they're both very well established villains at the moment. I think it would have to be during the aftermath of a major PPV like Wrestlemania 30, or as a twist during it, where those two decide to turn their war faces against each other. I might just be desensitized, but I'm honestly not excited to see Vince wrestle unless he's getting dis-assembled by Daniel Bryan or CM Punk.
HHH vs Vince would be neat, but it seems like something they'd have to force on the crowd as they're both very well established villains at the moment. I think it would have to be during the aftermath of a major PPV like Wrestlemania 30, or as a twist during it, where those two decide to turn their war faces against each other. I might just be desensitized, but I'm honestly not excited to see Vince wrestle unless he's getting dis-assembled by Daniel Bryan or CM Punk.
FlairFan2003
Mid-Card Championship Winner
Trips vs Vince has zero appeal unless one of them is clearly the good guy in the scenario. Given how Vince is a much more established villain, a guy who drugged his wife, beat up his daughter, and nearly drove his company into oblivion just to spite his nemesis, it makes sense that at some point Orton & Shield push HHH to far and somehow end up alligned with Vince. If it remains two unlikeable greedy guys pushing their own agendas at the expense of others for more power then there really is no reason to watch unless Daniel Bryan and Cena beat the daylite out of both of them
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I liked the original walk out. The premise of these guys feeling like they were in an unsafe work environment due to a couple of run-ins by Miz and Truth (but somehow Smackdown was a safe place to work) was stupid and illogical but the idea of them running a show with minimal talent was something that had me glued to my couch at the start of that Raw. I wasn't the only one, if I remember correctly the first 45 minutes of that episode spiked a nice rating and then things dropped considerably as soon as they quickly wrapped things up. But I get it, it's probably not fair to the paid attendees to do a show without a significant amount of talent.
That being said, the original walkout was too recent to redo. There is certainly more they could have done with that show without the rest of the roster but that doesn't mean they should do it again so quickly. I also don't like the idea of a face walk out. Faces fight, they don't band together in order to run away. On top of all that, this walk out sounds like it would take away from Daniel Bryan. I like what he's doing and maybe he finds a way on his own to get even with Steph, HHH, Vince, Shield, and Orton. Maybe he dumps soy all over Steph's head, smashes HHH with a television from 1987, sets Vince up with Dr. Shelby, hog ties all The Shield, and then takes the title away from Orton at NoC.
I don't know, this idea just doesn't work for me. I also really have no desire for Vince and HHH to go at each other right now. We don't need a power struggle. WWE has brought us some of it's best entertainment in years. When the time is right HHH and Vince will have their conflict but that time is hopefully not for awhile.
That being said, the original walkout was too recent to redo. There is certainly more they could have done with that show without the rest of the roster but that doesn't mean they should do it again so quickly. I also don't like the idea of a face walk out. Faces fight, they don't band together in order to run away. On top of all that, this walk out sounds like it would take away from Daniel Bryan. I like what he's doing and maybe he finds a way on his own to get even with Steph, HHH, Vince, Shield, and Orton. Maybe he dumps soy all over Steph's head, smashes HHH with a television from 1987, sets Vince up with Dr. Shelby, hog ties all The Shield, and then takes the title away from Orton at NoC.
I don't know, this idea just doesn't work for me. I also really have no desire for Vince and HHH to go at each other right now. We don't need a power struggle. WWE has brought us some of it's best entertainment in years. When the time is right HHH and Vince will have their conflict but that time is hopefully not for awhile.
A face walk out would only work if it wasn't a walk out. I know that's contradictory, so let me explain. This past Raw, Trips ordered everyone out to the ramp to watch DB get the shit kicked out of him, and said that if anyone tried to help him, they would be fired. Have this threat continue for a while - anyone tries to help DB, they're out of a job. For a few weeks at least, have DB get the shit kicked out of him by the Shield, Orton, Trips, whoever. After a few weeks of this, someone of little importance pipes up about how it needs to stop (I'd like it to be 3MB, but any jobber would work). True to his word, Trips fires them.
Now, this is the important part - unlike every other time that someone gets fired, actually KEEP them off the show. Don't have them go on Raw, don't have them go on SD, don't even have them do house shows. Actually make it seem like they've been fired. They won't be making any run ins to save DB, they won't do anything. But their presence will still be felt in the ripple of unrest they created. Have a couple guys backstage murmuring about how they got fired. A couple more guys speak out about it - still low carders, nothing too huge. Same thing with them. As the weeks go on, more and more people start talking out against the Corporation or helping Daniel Bryan, until we get to some upper card people like Christian and Henry. Have them get fired, too, to show that no one is safe from being fired.
At that point, there are two ways to go about it - fire someone everyone likes (I don't know who) and have the entire face side of the roster, and even some heels that could turn face as a result, start a revolt, and they all get fired, resulting in most of the roster being gone. A good guy authority figure (Foley, maybe?) comes in, points out that the shit Trips and Vince are doing clearly isn't good for business, and reinstate everyone using the power of the Board-whose-name-I-forget. You know, the ones that fired Vince back in 2011.
OR, and this doesn't result in the roster being decimated, have Big Show flip his shit, and WMD Trips. Trips tries to fire him, but can't due to his Iron-clad contract. Big Show is free to attack The Shield, Orton, and HHH as a result.
Now, this is the important part - unlike every other time that someone gets fired, actually KEEP them off the show. Don't have them go on Raw, don't have them go on SD, don't even have them do house shows. Actually make it seem like they've been fired. They won't be making any run ins to save DB, they won't do anything. But their presence will still be felt in the ripple of unrest they created. Have a couple guys backstage murmuring about how they got fired. A couple more guys speak out about it - still low carders, nothing too huge. Same thing with them. As the weeks go on, more and more people start talking out against the Corporation or helping Daniel Bryan, until we get to some upper card people like Christian and Henry. Have them get fired, too, to show that no one is safe from being fired.
At that point, there are two ways to go about it - fire someone everyone likes (I don't know who) and have the entire face side of the roster, and even some heels that could turn face as a result, start a revolt, and they all get fired, resulting in most of the roster being gone. A good guy authority figure (Foley, maybe?) comes in, points out that the shit Trips and Vince are doing clearly isn't good for business, and reinstate everyone using the power of the Board-whose-name-I-forget. You know, the ones that fired Vince back in 2011.
OR, and this doesn't result in the roster being decimated, have Big Show flip his shit, and WMD Trips. Trips tries to fire him, but can't due to his Iron-clad contract. Big Show is free to attack The Shield, Orton, and HHH as a result.
salopstick
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You mark my words this is heading to hbk v HHH at wrestlemania.
The connections between hbk, HHH and Bryan are well documented above but if you take HHH recent promos then making hbk champion and a main event player wouldn't fit in with what HHH said was good for business.
Hbk may be mr wrestlemania but he's lost more often than won there, hbk one last match at wrestlemania to beat HHH will be a great ending to a compelling storyline
The connections between hbk, HHH and Bryan are well documented above but if you take HHH recent promos then making hbk champion and a main event player wouldn't fit in with what HHH said was good for business.
Hbk may be mr wrestlemania but he's lost more often than won there, hbk one last match at wrestlemania to beat HHH will be a great ending to a compelling storyline
Dave_duncan
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salopstick said:
see I don't agree to the last part. The ending of triple h vs the undertaker with hbk as ref was perfect. it included both main (and lasting) members of dx whilst including possibly the greatest gimmick and wrestlers of the past 2 decades.
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Someone mentioned DiBiase being fired could be used and while the WWE may be reluctant to do it because he is leaving, why not have Ted DiBiase make the save for Bryan. He could bring up Legacy and say how he's been held down much like what they're trying to do with Daniel Bryan. He says he's leaving so he's got nothing to lose and attacks Orton/HHH, giving hope to the rest of the roster. If they don't want to give someone leaving the company a big spotlight, the new corporation could take out DiBiase before HHH fires him. I think it's a win-win situation.
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That's the point; WM30 is 7 months away and upper management is still in the process of formulating what they want to do with this program, which is one that indirectly involves everyone working for WWE. Yes, there is apparently going to be a power struggle.....which may indeed lead to a walk out as the players line up on one side or another. But there's too much time left to commit to anything now; and there's no need to, anyway. Let 'em keep us guessing.
Recently, we've seen Triple H and his father-in-law working directly against each other, with Stephanie coming in on her husband's side while playing diplomat with her father. I figured the direction was set, only to see Trips do a U-turn and start talking about unifying top management goals to "insure that WWE will be here for the fans in the future." That's a polar-opposite attitude to what we had been seeing since the McMahon-Helmsley team began re-taking center stage.
Who knows where it ends up? I doubt any of 'em could tell us at this point in time.
A walk-out, with wrestlers and other personnel lining up on whoever's side they feel will benefit them the most? Sure, why not? The possibilities are endless:
Do the good guys back Triple H and the bad guys go for Vince? Or vice-versa? Does Stephanie trump them both?
Does HBK play a role at WM30? If so, does he join with Triple H.... or work against him?
If someone is going to fight on Vince McMahon's behalf, could you think of anyone better than Steve Austin? Come to think of it, if someone were to fight against Vince, wouldn't SCSA be the best choice for that, too?
What about the rank and file performers? Would they take sides based on "heel vs. face" factors, or would there be a bunch of surprises, culminating in a few: "Jeez, I never thought he would back Vince McMahon" scenarios.
Face it, the people at the top of the company have been brought back to TV for a reason. The details and strategies may change numerous times in the next 7 months, but by WM30 we ought to have a hell of a Civil War going on......walk out & all.
I would certainly hope not.
The first walk out was by far one of the lamest and most illogical storylines I've ever seen in all my years of watching WWE. Wrestlers, who willingly agree to a career and life of physical hell and pain are scared to work in an "unsafe" work environment? Because of guys like Miz and R-Truth? Seriously? The entire angle made everyone look bad character wise, everyone just walking away and going on strike was never believable, and the abrupt/out of left field ending completely undermined the intended shock value of everyone walking out on Triple H.
It's hard to tell where things will go now. Before Summerslam, we were all lead to believe Triple H was a Daniel Bryan supporter, who would do anything to do the right thing. But Triple H turned heel out of nowhere.
Although, I still think we're headed towards a Vince/Triple H confrontation in the future. Both men have massive, MASSIVE egos, so I find it hard to believe they'll just work together in harmony without any bumps in the road. Plus, you have Stephanie in the middle. Some disagreement or unexpected problem is going to cause a rift between these two, and Vince and Triple H will be back at each other's throats again, fighting to be the one and only voice of control and power in WWE.
The first walk out was by far one of the lamest and most illogical storylines I've ever seen in all my years of watching WWE. Wrestlers, who willingly agree to a career and life of physical hell and pain are scared to work in an "unsafe" work environment? Because of guys like Miz and R-Truth? Seriously? The entire angle made everyone look bad character wise, everyone just walking away and going on strike was never believable, and the abrupt/out of left field ending completely undermined the intended shock value of everyone walking out on Triple H.
It's hard to tell where things will go now. Before Summerslam, we were all lead to believe Triple H was a Daniel Bryan supporter, who would do anything to do the right thing. But Triple H turned heel out of nowhere.
Although, I still think we're headed towards a Vince/Triple H confrontation in the future. Both men have massive, MASSIVE egos, so I find it hard to believe they'll just work together in harmony without any bumps in the road. Plus, you have Stephanie in the middle. Some disagreement or unexpected problem is going to cause a rift between these two, and Vince and Triple H will be back at each other's throats again, fighting to be the one and only voice of control and power in WWE.
I think if its done properly and followed up properly, the crowd will dig it and also have the "I was there when that happened" factor to it.
When I say do it properly, you cant jus't have JTG, Yoshi Tatsu, Khali, R-Truth etc as the only guys who don't walk out... No show in the world would work with only those guys on board.
you need to have an even balance of different level guys staying/going.