The State of Rap and Hip Hop

[Rzarectah]

Today at school, one of my teachers, who is fucking hillarious made a Degrassi joke. I then brought up the fact that the new rapper Drake came from that show. A kid next to me said not to make fun of Drake as he is one of his favorite rappers, I began telling him the truth, that Drake fuckin sucks and can't rap for shit. He then asked me if I liked Lil Wayne, I told him that I enjoyed a lot of his earlier Hot Boys stuff, but from then on in, he fuckin sucked too. The kid then said, "wow, so what rap do you even like then, old school"? I told him that yes, I like most of the late 80s and 90s shit the best but I still do like a lot of new rappers, when he asked what I told him I liked Meth and Reds new cd, blank face, I told him I like Dopium, U-Gods new cd, blank face, I told him I like Andre Nickatina, again a blank face I really wish that Hip Hop would just go back to the way it was and not have these little no talent former soap opra star punk bitches running the rap game. Tell me what you think about the current state of rap and give me a few rappers who still practice the art of mceeing and not pop rapping.

 

[Kanye South]

Wow you're stupid. People are always saying that Drake is just dry-humping off of the success of Degrassi, but the fact is, he's not. Most fans of Drake didn't even know he was on Degrassi until someone brought it up as "trivia". And even if he did, his Degrassi fanbase is exactly the opposite of what his lyrics are.

Drizzy,
Ah yeah Trey I fuckin feel you,
They be starin at the money like its unfamiliar,
I get it,
I live it,
To me theres nothings realer,
Just enough to solve your problems,
Too much will kill ya,
And when I leave,
I always come right back here,
The young spit'a that everybody in rap fear,
A lot of yall are still soundin like last year,
The game needs change and im the mofucking cashier,
Nickels for my thoughts,
Dimes in my bed,
Quarters of the kush
Shape the lines in my head,
Take my verses too serious ya hate me,
Cause im the one to paint a vivid picture no HD,
Yeah,
I want it all,
That's why I strive for it,
Dis me and you'll never hear a reply for it,
Any awards show or party I get fly for it,
I know that it's comin' I just hope that I'm alive for it.

Does that sound like anything Hannah Montanna or Jonas Brothers would put out? No. Need more clarification?

Why do I feel so alone
Like everybody passing through the studio
Is in character as if we acting out a movie role
Talking bullshit as if it was for you to know
And I don't have the heart to give these
Bitch ass *****s the cue to go
So they stick around kicking out feedback
And I entertaining as if I need that
I had a talk with my uncle and he agreed that
My privacy about the only thing I need back
But its hard to think of them polite flows
Mr. fano poloto suits on your night clothes
And jordan sweat suits are your flight clothes
And you still make it even when they say your flight closed
Eyes hurting from the camera phone light shows
Life was so full
Now this shits just been light pole
Always said i'd say it all on the right track
But in this game u only lose when you fight back
Black diamond bracelets
Showing you the basics
I can't live and hold the camara
Someone gotta tape dis
I make hits and like a bitch
Just married I ain't miss
24 hours from greatness
I'm that close to
Don't ever forget the moment
You began to doubt
Transitioning from fitting in to standing out
Los angeles, cabanas or atlanta south
Watchin home shows
Embarrassed to pull my camera out
And my mother embarased
To put my phantom out
So I park about 5 houses down
She said I shouldn't have until I have the crown
But I don't wanna feel the need to wear disguises around
So she wonder where my mind is and counts in the minus
But yet i'm rolling round the fuckin city like your highness
Got *****s reactin without a sinus
Cause what i'm working with is timeless
And promoters trying to get me out to they club
And say I have fun but I can't imagine how
Cause I just see my ex-gurl
Standing with my next gurl
Standing with the gurl that i'm fuckin right now
And shit could get weird unless they all down
And so I stay clear
We from a small town
And everybody talks and everybody listen
And somehow the truth just always comes up missing
I've always been something dat these lables can't buy
Especially if they tryin to take a peice of my soul
And still b only tellin tales "damn drake fly"
And he just be like "silly mother fucker I know"
That was your bad
How could you pass up on em?
He just take the records
And he gas up on em
Wayne will prolly put a million cash up on em
Surprised no one ever put your ass up on em
Oh they did pole
At least they try to
And thats what happens
When you spitting whats inside you
But slip up and shoot the wrong fucking video
And they think they can market you
However they decide to naww
Before they told me to do me
And don't listen to anybody that knew me
Cause who of known me would
Mean that theres a new me
And if you think i've changed in the slightest
Could of fooled me
Baa into my city i'm da 2-3
Drug dealers live vicariously through me
I quit school and is not because i'm lazy
I'm just not the social type
And campus life is crazy understand
I could get money with my eyes closed
Lost some of my hottest versus down at cabo
So if you find a blackberry with the sides scroll
Sell that mothafucka to any rapper that I know
Cause they need it much more than I ever will
I got new shit
I'm gettin better still
Little *****s put my name in their verses
Cause they girlfriend put my ass on a pedestal
Future said cause its ye shit you better kill
And I think its got them making of a legend feel
Problem with these other *****s they
Ain't never real
Yea ... thats all I can say

I could go on for days doing this. Drake is the exact opposite of the Twilight/Hannah Montana generation. At the time he joined Degrassi, he was a young kid offered millions of dollars to act. I'm sure that if you were like 13, you would do the same thing. Can't fault him for coincidentally wanting to become a rapper during his time there.

Oh, and about Lil Wayne, go listen to No Ceilings, which is his most recent mixtape that dropped on Halloween 2009. But if you bother to reply, I can definitely give you some examples of Wayne killing it on the mic. In fact, I feel that alot of his Hot Boyz stuff was childish, and he improved as he got farther in his career.

 

[Big Sexy]

First of all. JKO, shut the fuck up about Drake. He's average.

Now to the original poster, I agree that the state of mainstream hip hop is shitty but hip hop as a whole is still going strong. You just have to look a little harder to find the great artists and groups. I'll give an example right now, Slaughterhouse. This is a group made up 4 amazing emcees in Royce Da 5'9, Crooked I, Joell Ortiz, and Joe Budden. They put out a self titled album late last year that you should check out.

Here are some of their songs:

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[Rzarectah]

Wow you're stupid. People are always saying that Drake is just dry-humping off of the success of Degrassi, but the fact is, he's not. Most fans of Drake didn't even know he was on Degrassi until someone brought it up as "trivia". And even if he did, his Degrassi fanbase is exactly the opposite of what his lyrics are.



Does that sound like anything Hannah Montanna or Jonas Brothers would put out? No. Need more clarification?



I could go on for days doing this. Drake is the exact opposite of the Twilight/Hannah Montana generation. At the time he joined Degrassi, he was a young kid offered millions of dollars to act. I'm sure that if you were like 13, you would do the same thing. Can't fault him for coincidentally wanting to become a rapper during his time there.

Oh, and about Lil Wayne, go listen to No Ceilings, which is his most recent mixtape that dropped on Halloween 2009. But if you bother to reply, I can definitely give you some examples of Wayne killing it on the mic. In fact, I feel that alot of his Hot Boyz stuff was childish, and he improved as he got farther in his career.

If you were trying to impress me with those lyrics, you horribly failed. All of that was garbage and I stopped reading fairly quickly. I would like Drake if he could rap well, regardless of where he came from, but he just can't rap so thats pretty much irrelevant. As far as Lil Wayne, his new stuff is childish, and I've heard a lot of it and only like a few songs here and there. His old stuff on the other hand is pretty damn good (listen to Up in da hood by the hot boyz). If you want to look at some impressive lyrics then look below.

"I bomb atomically, socrates philosohpys and hypothesis don't define how i be droppin these, mockaries lyrically performed armed robbery, flee with the lotterty possibly they spotted me, battle scarred shogun explosion when my pen hits, tremendous, ultra violet shine blind forensics" Better than all of that Drake shit above.

 

[Rzarectah]

First of all. JKO, shut the fuck up about Drake. He's average.

Now to the original poster, I agree that the state of mainstream hip hop is shitty but hip hop as a whole is still going strong. You just have to look a little harder to find the great artists and groups. I'll give an example right now, Slaughterhouse. This is a group made up 4 amazing emcees in Royce Da 5'9, Crooked I, Joell Ortiz, and Joe Budden. They put out a self titled album late last year that you should check out. ]

Thanks for showing me that, I like Royce Da 5'9 a lot, and Crooked I too but Joell Ortiz is only so so for me and Joe Budden, meh. Did you hear about what happened with him and Meth? I would shoot you a video back but I'll just suggest something instead. Queens Gambit by GZA. I also agree with you about Hip Hop still going strong as a whole, please don't mistake me saying that Hip Hop/rap is in a shitty state as me saying that there isn't any good rap out there because there is plenty of good shit, just not on the radio.

 

[Freddy4190]

Mainstream hip-hop hasn't been on track for a few years. All this bubblegum rap is killing me man. It's like they're just handing out contracts nowadays. Whatever happened to earning your spot? I feel like alot of these older rappers who worked their asses off to get to the spot they're in are just getting shit on. I dunno. Drake's not as good as you make him out to be JKO. He's never impressed me. I listened to the mixtape and turned it off. His verse in "Forever" was straight but again; nothing impressive. It's a matter of opinion really. No Ceilings was a pretty good mixtape. Wayne did his shit at the beginning and then he just got bored halfway through and it sucked. Tech N9ne stays on rotation with me. I listen to way more then should be allowed.

 

[FromTheSouth]

Rap is perfectly fine, so long as you don't listen to the radio. Lil Wayne, Drake, Souljah Boy, and whatever else shit rap they play on the radio is made to appeal to children and to be played at middle school dances. Some of it is catchy. It's not offensive, and it's not even all bad.

The problem is that all of the good rap has been pushed underground. Radio stations are almost scared to play real shit because they might lose their biggest demographic, kids. If you look hard enough, read the magazines, or just ask around, you can find plenty of great rap.

Plenty of other artists have been suggested, so I won't rehash those, but I will mention Z-Ro and Trae. I listen to a lot of SLAB as well. It's all great rap, just not radio approved.

TI, Jay-Z, and a few others still put some decent shit on the radio, but those songs are few and far between.

 

[Mitch Henessey]

For the past couple of years, I tend to listen to rock or heavy metal because hip-hop has gotten worse. I've heard a good amount of Drake's songs, and I still don't see what the big deal about him is? There's nothing about his lyrics or style that makes me go crazy in any way shape or form. I also refuse to get on board with this"Lil Wayne is the best rapper alive" bullshit.

Hip-hop/rap has become very mainstream and is geared towards a younger audience now a days. Most of the music from popular rappers is either just club music or stuff that only teenage kids find appealing. Another constant problem with rappers today, and for the past couple years is, the quality of albums. What I mean by that is, they will of course put out the 1 or 2 hot singles, but when you listen to the entire album, it's complete and total garbage.

I still and will always listen to TI, Jay-Z, and Eminem. They still manage to put on some good material every now and then.

 

["Cool Guy" Jensen]

Rap isn't better or worse than it was back in the late-1980's and the 1990's. While, I was only born in 1993, I can still say that all that happened to rap in that period of time is that it's changed. That's all I can say. Rappers who were active then aren't active now or they're no longer mainstream, or they are no longer listened to... there are a lot of factors to that. Now, it's a new era in rap music, auto-tune is popular, the quality of rap has significantly went down since then... that doesn't necessarily mean that hip-hop and rap has became "shitty".

I like many types of rap and I like many different rappers, from different eras. As far as Drake and Lil Wayne go, I think they can drop some hot lyrics, while some aren't as good. However, that can be held true about pretty much all rappers.

If you're talking about quality, I would give the best rap performers as Tupac and Nas. If you talk about flows, that would solely go to Notorious B.I.G. If you talk about influential lyrics, that could go to anyone from Tupac to Nas to T.I. to Eminem. There are many different things to look at when you think of rap and hip-hop. So, that's why I look at modern-day rap is "different" and not exactly "shitty".

 

[Gerald Brisco]

Mainstream music suck, it only till recently has but jeez, your worrying when people outside the genre think Soulja Boy is a star.

Mos Def's newest album was a ripper however, Go listen to guys like Madvillian ect. The Genre it'self hasnt gotten worse, but whos representing it definatly has.

 

[Ty Burna]

I should just copy and paste my first post in the Hip Hop thread here, as I basically outlined why I thought mainstream hip hop has turned to shit. But since I'm bored, fuck it here we go.

Mainstream hip hop isn't for the audience hip hop was originally intended for anymore. Hell it ain't even targeting the same age group and in many situations, the same gender it did back in the 80's and 90's. In today's hip hop, it's about targeting teenage girls. Yes I said it, Lil Wayne, Drake, Soulja Boy etc., they all target teenage girls now. It's not about talking about the struggle or the streets, it's about putting out shit rhymes about what jewelry you wear, clubbing, and other various bullshit I could give a fuck less about. True rap back in the 90's did talk about jewelry, but nowhere near the point that mainstream hip hop is at now. Radio killed hip hop, at least the mainstream shit. Rather than have thoughtful and innovative rhymes that have a purpose, it's about releasing the next club hit that make teenage girls wet their panties over it. It's turned into a boring, drawn out chorus that makes no fucking sense over a slowed down techno beat. The rhymes in the songs are minimal and basic to the point that I've seen people freestyle better shit that aren't making music or anything.

Don't get me wrong, there are a few artists in the mainstream limelight like Lupe Fiasco that have gone against the trend and have meaningful lyrics in their music. But otherwise to find the hip hop that us old school fans like, you have to go to the underground. Independent artists are making money and also have a growing fan base. This is an awesome trend as often times these independent artists don't get very far because they don't have a major record label backing them or plays on the radio or MTV. Artists like Tech N9ne, Atmosphere, Brotha Lynch Hung, Kottonmouth Kings, Jurassic 5, Aesop Rock and even older artists like Bone Thugs, Wu Tang Clan, Cypress Hill and the likes I would consider underground nowadays. They may have had mainstream success in the past, but they often work with underground artists or release music off their own record labels. I see this as a great thing as independent artists usually make more money when releasing their own albums, rather than paying the major record labels. The major record labels don't bother looking for the lyrical rappers anymore, they look for the marketable bullshit rappers that make club hits. My biggest complaint is this new Imma be song or whatever the fuck. It's chorus is repeating the words Imma be over and over and over again, with maybe another line or two thrown in. I didn't know it was so easy to make a popular hip hop track anymore, hell I can do that in my sleep. Let me go write a boring repetitive chorus, and sprinkle in some mumbling verses and throw it all on a techno beat, and we got ourselves a hit.

Fuck it, I hope mainstream hip hop dies. I don't even give a fuck if underground artists ever make it to the mainstream because I'd be afraid of them losing their roots and what made them so fucking good to begin with. In the meantime I'm going to keep my eyes on artists that actually care about their craft, that put actual work into their music and not just bullshit club tracks that have no lyrical parts or anything meaningful in the song. Let me know when everyone's gotten tired of hearing the same track remixed with a different artist over and over again.

Edit: Just looked it up, Imma Be is a song by Black Eyed Peas. No wonder why I can't stand it.

 

[Kanye South]

I will agree with you on Soulja Boy and the Black Eyed Peas. That shit is fucking horrible. Black Eyed Peas isn't even really rap, moreso pop, and most of Soulja Boy's "hits" are him literally saying the same shit over and over again. Drake isn't the greatest rapper alive, but I defend him because he is nowhere as horrible as you people make him out to be. But to say hip-hop is shitty? Hellz no. When we have people like Jay-Z, Kanye West, Eminem, Lil Wayne, Kid Cudi, and Lupe Fiasco still in the game? No, man. Just no. For right now, I'll defend Wayne and West, since that's who everyone seems to think is shit.

Lil Wayne is one of the sickest rappers out right now. His unpredictable flow, his crazy metaphors, and his undeniable charisma makes him a force to be reckoned with in music. Similar to Biggie, Lil Wayne uses his flow to make you live the rich and famous life through his music. Sure he has songs like 'Lollipop' and 'Mrs. Officer', but for every Lollipop, there's a song that has metaphors that make you think. Don't give me that bullshit about how he makes songs targeted towards teenage girls. What successful rapper hasn't made a song about women? Maybe the only one is Tupac, and I'm just saying that because I'm too lazy to look it up. Targeted towards teenage girls? What teenage girl do you know, that's not a slaggy ****e, can't keep off of a dick? Because that's what you are implying when you say songs like 'Lollipop', which is about giving head, are targeted to little girls. Go listen to any Lil Wayne song and you will see that his metaphors and charismatic flow enable you to visualize how he lives the rich and famous life. If Wayne sucks, then Biggie did too. And that's just not damn true.

Kanye West. This guy is similar to Tupac. He is no thug, but he is definitely real. His rhymes are social commentary. Now I'm just going to throw out his last album, because he recorded it at a time when he was depressed as hell (his mom died, he was dumped by his girl, and I think he was involved in some type of trouble with the law for vandalism). And 808s and Heartbreak was still a great pop album. But as far as hip-hop, go listen to Graduation and tell me it's not a great album. Go listen to Late Regristration and tell me it's not a great album. Go listen to College Dropout and tell me it's not a great album. Songs like 'Can't Tell Me Nothing', 'Everything I Am', 'Big Brother', 'Diamonds Are Forever', 'Bittersweet Poetry' and 'All Falls Down' are genius. Not to mention that he doesn't rap about killing or thugging. Kanye raps about a different type of struggle. Not the 'gangsta' type, but the 'outspoken black man in America' type.

Soulja Boy is shit. New Boyz are shit. GS Boyz are shit. But Kanye West and Lil Wayne are not shit.

 

[Big Sexy]

But to say hip-hop is shitty? Hellz no. When we have people like Jay-Z, Kanye West, Eminem, Lil Wayne, Kid Cudi, and Lupe Fiasco still in the game? No, man. Just no. For right now, I'll defend Wayne and West, since that's who everyone seems to think is shit.

You only named 5 guys in the current mainstream that you believe are still great. There are tons of mainstream rappers, if you can only come up with 5 good ones then that's pretty bad. The mainstream is shit.

Lil Wayne is one of the sickest rappers out right now. His unpredictable flow, his crazy metaphors, and his undeniable charisma makes him a force to be reckoned with in music. Similar to Biggie, Lil Wayne uses his flow to make you live the rich and famous life through his music.

Lil Wayne is nothing like Biggie. They have two completely different styles and completely different flows. I obviously don't like when rappers have a lot of songs about how rich they are, but I can at least accept it when those songs have good lyrical content. The majority of Weezy's mainstream songs nowadays aren't that good lyrically.

Sure he has songs like 'Lollipop' and 'Mrs. Officer', but for every Lollipop, there's a song that has metaphors that make you think. Don't give me that bullshit about how he makes songs targeted towards teenage girls. What successful rapper hasn't made a song about women? Maybe the only one is Tupac, and I'm just saying that because I'm too lazy to look it up.

Of course all rappers have some songs geared towards women. Even Tupac had "I Get Around." But again guys like Biggie and Pac still made those songs enjoyable for everyone. I have no problem bumping "Hypnotized" or "Big Poppa" but you'll never see me playing a shit song like "Lollipop."

Targeted towards teenage girls? What teenage girl do you know, that's not a slaggy ****e, can't keep off of a dick? Because that's what you are implying when you say songs like 'Lollipop', which is about giving head, are targeted to little girls.

Teenage girls don't have to know what the song is about to like it. It's not like Wayne is blatantly saying "I'm having this girl suck my dick." Even the girls that don't know what the song is really about still enjoy it.

Go listen to any Lil Wayne song and you will see that his metaphors and charismatic flow enable you to visualize how he lives the rich and famous life. If Wayne sucks, then Biggie did too. And that's just not damn true.

To be fair Biggie only had two albums, but they were both great. The current stuff Lil Wayne is putting out is nowhere near as good as Biggie's two albums.

Kanye West. This guy is similar to Tupac. He is no thug, but he is definitely real. His rhymes are social commentary.

Please don't ever compare Kanye to Tupac. Ever. There are some slight similarities I guess but overall they are nothing alike.

But as far as hip-hop, go listen to Graduation and tell me it's not a great album. Go listen to Late Regristration and tell me it's not a great album. Go listen to College Dropout and tell me it's not a great album. Songs like 'Can't Tell Me Nothing', 'Everything I Am', 'Big Brother', 'Diamonds Are Forever', 'Bittersweet Poetry' and 'All Falls Down' are genius.

College Dropout and Late Registration were both great albums, but I personally didn't find Graduation to be that great. There were a few good songs but overall it was a disappointment.

For my money Lil Wayne and Kanye West haven't been that great since 2005. Are they capable of being great? Of course they've shown that in the past, but currently neither is very good. Weezy puts out a few good songs on some of his mixtapes but that's about it and Kanye is too busy being an asshole to put out any good music.

Nice try but you can't compare Weezy and Kanye to Tupac and Biggie and expect to be taken seriously.

 

[Ty Burna]

Drake isn't the greatest rapper alive, but I defend him because he is nowhere as horrible as you people make him out to be.

Actually yes, he is that fucking horrible. I've said my thoughts on Drake many times before I"m not rehashing it, he doesn't deserve it.

But to say hip-hop is shitty? Hellz no. When we have people like Jay-Z, Kanye West, Eminem, Lil Wayne, Kid Cudi, and Lupe Fiasco still in the game? No, man. Just no. For right now, I'll defend Wayne and West, since that's who everyone seems to think is shit.

Jay-Z: Overrated piece of shit nowadays. His old stuff, awesome

Kanye West: Kanye West is as overrated as Jay-Z and relies on the auto tune way too fucking much for his own good. He's not a terrible lyricist but he doesn't try as hard as he should

Eminem: Not a fan but won't deny he's a great artist. He however isn't as good as he used to be.

Lil Wayne: Come on seriously? We've been here before. He's a club hit maker that's more pop that hip hop.

Kid Cudi: He's good, I won't deny that.

Lupe Fiasco: He's the shit, I love Lupe

Fact remains the mainstream hip hop game is shit with a few exceptions. Compared to the 80's and 90's where we had excellent artists coming up from all over the place, mainstream hip hop is shit. Underground hip hop is where it's at, that's where the true lyricists and the ones with the best flow are at.

Lil Wayne is one of the sickest rappers out right now. His unpredictable flow, his crazy metaphors, and his undeniable charisma makes him a force to be reckoned with in music.

Sickest as in he makes me want to vomit every time I hear his music? That I can agree with. His flow isn't unpredictable, it's the same fucking thing over and over again. He doesn't switch his flow up at all, it sounds like he's mumbling into the mic or slow in the head. So maybe he's different in the fact he goes from mumbling to sounding like a complete idiot. His metaphors are shit, he doesn't have near the punch lines like other artists do. And if an artist has to use punchlines, then they're probably freestyling. Nothing wrong with freestyling but Wayne isn't freestyling on his albums now is he? Charisma, yeah maybe if you think someone who looks like he has an IQ of 60 is charismatic. He's a force to be reckoned with for dads praying their kids don't grow up to be like him.

Similar to Biggie, Lil Wayne uses his flow to make you live the rich and famous life through his music. Sure he has songs like 'Lollipop' and 'Mrs. Officer', but for every Lollipop, there's a song that has metaphors that make you think.

Big fucking deal. Ooh I want you live the rich life by listening to me talk about my jewels for 10 songs an album. That really makes someone struggling to survive feel good, that someone like Lil Wayne is rich for mumbling into a microphone has money while that person has to work his ass off and do real work to just survive. No grown ass person worth a damn could give a fuck less about living a fantasy life about being rich when they have to go work for their money. This of course leads into:

Don't give me that bullshit about how he makes songs targeted towards teenage girls. What successful rapper hasn't made a song about women? Maybe the only one is Tupac, and I'm just saying that because I'm too lazy to look it up. Targeted towards teenage girls? What teenage girl do you know, that's not a slaggy ****e, can't keep off of a dick? Because that's what you are implying when you say songs like 'Lollipop', which is about giving head, are targeted to little girls. Go listen to any Lil Wayne song and you will see that his metaphors and charismatic flow enable you to visualize how he lives the rich and famous life. If Wayne sucks, then Biggie did too. And that's just not damn true.

Yes, he makes music towards teenage girls. Let's take a look. Teenage girls that are well off think if they listen to hip hop, their "cred" if you will goes up. But clearly they don't want to listen to some gutter shit, they want to listen to the club hits that are popular. What is every Lil Wayne song that gets put out nowadays? A clubt hit. They don't care about the lyrics in the songs, they only give a fuck about the beat and a repeating chorus, something easy to remember. So let's think about this. Grown ass people working for a living don't give a fuck about visualizing a rich life, they don't have time nor the care to do so. Teenage girls or teenagers in general want to fantasize about that shit, so songs that talk about being rich and famous appeal to them. And Biggie is slightly overrated to be honest. His death and feud with Pac is what increased his popularity. That being said Biggie had a far better flow than Wayne, it was a disjointed mess of shit lyrics like Wayne. Biggie had good lyrics and a great flow, but you have to take into consideration who's label he was on. Puffy was all about being flashy so that's what Biggie followed. That being said Biggie also wrote a good amount of songs that related to the streets, about struggling to come up. His music had substance behind flash, Wayne doesn't have either.

Kanye West. This guy is similar to Tupac. He is no thug, but he is definitely real. His rhymes are social commentary. Now I'm just going to throw out his last album, because he recorded it at a time when he was depressed as hell (his mom died, he was dumped by his girl, and I think he was involved in some type of trouble with the law for vandalism). And 808s and Heartbreak was still a great pop album. But as far as hip-hop, go listen to Graduation and tell me it's not a great album. Go listen to Late Regristration and tell me it's not a great album. Go listen to College Dropout and tell me it's not a great album. Songs like 'Can't Tell Me Nothing', 'Everything I Am', 'Big Brother', 'Diamonds Are Forever', 'Bittersweet Poetry' and 'All Falls Down' are genius. Not to mention that he doesn't rap about killing or thugging. Kanye raps about a different type of struggle. Not the 'gangsta' type, but the 'outspoken black man in America' type.

Kanye West just likes to hear himself talk and is so God damn egotistical that he talks all this shit like he's "the voice" of this generation when really our generation would just wish he would shut the fuck up for awhile. Please point to me where his music involves social commentary that doesn't involve gold diggers. Please tell me. If you're going to compare Kanye to Pac, where's his "Baby Don't Cry" song? Where's his "Changes" song? No, Kanye is nothing like Pac. Kanye doesn't have the lyrical ability Pac's pinkie finger had. Kanye is just an outspoken idiot who thinks that causing controversy will help his album sales. That's all he gives a fuck about. So when it finally backfired on him he decided to play the poor broken soul card that everyone called bullshit on.

Please you really want to compare Kanye to Pac? Seriously? That's like comparing a garage band to the fucking Beatles. There is no fucking comparison. Pac was a poet who just so happened to put his writings into a hip hop style. He was a very intelligent man who had real ideals and morals when it came to society. He wanted to help those struggling in the ghetto, and to try and make it all a better place. He lived through the struggle and he used his voice and his position to bring the spotlight on the troubles of the world that he's seen. Kanye is one that just tries to make controversial comments for the publicity. There is a HUGE fucking difference.

Soulja Boy is shit. New Boyz are shit. GS Boyz are shit. But Kanye West and Lil Wayne are as shit if not more so.

Fixed that for you.

The bottom line is the mainstream hip hop all sounds the same. There is no originality anymore and honestly I can't entirely blame the artists. As I've said in the past, the major record labels are a lot to blame for this issue as well. They are the ones that look for artists that will follow the latest trend of club hit making artist hoping to get that massive radio play. That's all great for the YOUNGER generation but those of us who grew up on the NWA's, the Eazy' E's, the 2pac's, the Biggie's, DMX, Kurtis Blow, KRS-One, Nas, and the list goes on, I know a majority of us can't stand this shit and thus why we speak so negatively about the current state of hip hop. We grew up in an era of outstanding lyricists and the fact that these new hip hop artists throw a repeating chorus over a good beat and are suddenly better than the icons we grew up listening to is what pisses me off the most. It's all great and wonderful to listen to those artists, but don't expect me to stay silent when motherfuckers want to compare the new era club hit hip hop and say that it's better than the lyrical and story telling greats of the 90's and the 80's. This is why I've gone to listening to the underground and the artists that were big in the 90's that are quietly releasing outstanding material that doesn't get the major attention like it used.

Underground hip hop will live forever.

 

[X]

Honestly I completely and totally fucking disagree with you Ty. Underground hip hop, for the most part, ALL sounds the same these days. Tech N9ne is fucking AWFUL and so aren't half of these other top underground rappers that people tell me to check out, the only decent ones are the Army of the Pharoahs/Jedi Mind Tricks collectives and the underground scenes in Boston/NY/Philly. And Atmosphere, but he's mainstream now anyways. Outside of that, underground rap sucks these days, it's all the same fucking Tech N9ne garbage with AWFUL beats, stupid rhymes, terrible flows.

Mainstream rap is not nearly as bad as you make it out to be. Wayne's album shit is garbage, but his mixtapes are good, fuck even Drake impressed me on his last mixtape and I was shitting on him all year long. Not to mention Kid Cudi is fucking amazing and is just fucking getting started. Cudi alone gives me hope in modern hip hop forevermore, he's fucking brilliant every single mixtape and his first album are classic.

Anyways, blah blah blah modern rap is NOT as bad as people make it out to be, you just have to know where to look.

 

[J-Dogg]

I will agree with X in away that the best underground scenes are NY, Philly and Boston as alot of the rap i listen to is exactly from there, im personally a fan of Boot Camp Clik from Brooklyn NYC, they are some of the best underground/independant artists around, their label Duck Down Records has some of the best underground people on it.

Now AOTP/JMT is awesome, personally Vinnie, Apathy and Celph Titledand Reef carry AOTP. Their music is consistent for most part. Also Atmosphere is definately one of the best rappers around, you cannot say he doesnt make good music.

Tech N9NE isn't that good at all i just can't stand his music and how anyone can is beyond me. I knew where to look for good underground stuff by starting with Boot Camp Clik.

 

[Ty Burna]

Honestly I completely and totally fucking disagree with you Ty. Underground hip hop, for the most part, ALL sounds the same these days. Tech N9ne is fucking AWFUL and so aren't half of these other top underground rappers that people tell me to check out, the only decent ones are the Army of the Pharoahs/Jedi Mind Tricks collectives and the underground scenes in Boston/NY/Philly. And Atmosphere, but he's mainstream now anyways. Outside of that, underground rap sucks these days, it's all the same fucking Tech N9ne garbage with AWFUL beats, stupid rhymes, terrible flows.

Surprise surprise if it ain't from the East Coast it ain't shit for you X so get the fuck out of here. Right off the fucking bat you attack Tech N9ne when he wasn't brought up whatsofucking ever. That's the only underground artist you attack, so where the fuck else is your examples? That's bullshit and you know it X. You attack one underground artist you don't happen to like. We get you don't like Tech N9ne so why don't you get some material for once.

Atmosphere is still underground. When was the last time you seen him on BET or on the fucking radio for fucks sake. He's still underground that's getting some attention from mainstream fans. You want to come here say that all underground hip hop is shit. You know what man, I can't take you seriously anymore when it comes to your knowledge of hip hop. You start saying these cats like Drake and Wayne are good, you disappoint me. What happened to finding good rap not just settling for the bullshit record companies force upon us. Fuck that shit I'll go listen to some cats that give a fuck about the lyricism of hip hop, not the fucking beat and record sales. Look at the south, look at the artists Houston has.

That's your fucking problem X, you don't bother looking outside of your fucking realm of hip hop. If it ain't East Coast, it ain't shit for you. I don't wanna hear your bullshit about the mainstream is in a great state. Come back to me when someone on the level of Pac, Biggie, DMX, NWA, Public Enemy etc are on the scene. Nas is still there and we got Lupe Fiasco and Kid Cudi for some people. Please TELL ME when the fuck the mainstream is at the level it was in the 90's. Please tell me when the fuck I can listen to the radio and not hear the same beats, the same fucking material over and fucking over again. Get some fucking originality in the hip hop mainstream and come back and fucking tell me mainstream is where its at.

Mainstream rap is not nearly as bad as you make it out to be. Wayne's album shit is garbage, but his mixtapes are good, fuck even Drake impressed me on his last mixtape and I was shitting on him all year long. Not to mention Kid Cudi is fucking amazing and is just fucking getting started. Cudi alone gives me hope in modern hip hop forevermore, he's fucking brilliant every single mixtape and his first album are classic.

From a man who's downloaded a whole fucking what, 2 mixtapes of Wayne? Compared to a man, me, who put the research into Wayne's new style and at one point had easily over 3 gigs of Wayne's mixtapes, Wayne's mixtapes are just as shit as as his retail albums are. Even if he has two or three decent songs in 6 albums, that's still shit. Drake is still fucking shit, I gave his last mixtape a try and it got deleted immediately.

Cudi is good I've already said this shit.

Anyways, blah blah blah modern rap is NOT as bad as people make it out to be, you just have to know where to look.

Actually yes it is, it's a matter of motherfuckers who decide to settle for what's out there that's the problem. Take a look at the 90's and what we got now. Who's the biggest names in hip hop now? Lil Wayne, Kanye West, Drake, and Jay-Z. Now take a look at the 90's. Biggie, 2pac, Nas, Dre/Snoop Dogg. You can't tell me that's a huge fucking drop off. You cannot honestly fucking tell me that where the mainstream is at now could possibly even fucking compare to where we were. Hip hop has deteriorated, and it's only getting worse. And if I honestly have to look hard for a good mainstream artist, there's a huge fucking problem. Back in the 90's when I could throw MTV Jams or Yo MTV Raps on and love every fucking song they played, that's when you can tell me that mainstream hip hop is doing good. Until that happens, I'll stick with the artists that give a fuck about lyrics and can take a simple snare drum and bass beat and make a good song out of it.

 

[X]

Surprise surprise if it ain't from the East Coast it ain't shit for you X so get the fuck out of here.

Surprise surprise it's fucking true. Feel free to show me this midwest underground shit that's so good, all I've heard is mediocre shit.

Right off the fucking bat you attack Tech N9ne when he wasn't brought up whatsofucking ever. That's the only underground artist you attack, so where the fuck else is your examples? That's bullshit and you know it X. You attack one underground artist you don't happen to like. We get you don't like Tech N9ne so why don't you get some material for once.

Because you guys are always talking about Tech N9ne, and he's fucking awful. Further more Immortal Technique is good but I laugh a fucking riot when someone tries to tell me he's the best in the game, spare me the bullshit. I cite East Coast shit because it's mostly the only good underground shit, FEEL FREE to show me underground west shit hat's good, haven't heard anything in a long time worth a fuck out of that area.

Atmosphere is still underground.

When he's on fucking MTV and I can download 40 of his songs on my phone, ,no, you are NOT underground. Not when you're released Top 200 albums.

When was the last time you seen him on BET or on the fucking radio for fucks sake.

MTV2. BET. See him on BOTH.

He's still underground that's getting some attention from mainstream fans. You want to come here say that all underground hip hop is shit. You know what man, I can't take you seriously anymore when it comes to your knowledge of hip hop. You start saying these cats like Drake and Wayne are good, you disappoint me. What happened to finding good rap not just settling for the bullshit record companies force upon us. Fuck that shit I'll go listen to some cats that give a fuck about the lyricism of hip hop, not the fucking beat and record sales. Look at the south, look at the artists Houston has.

1) Did you not see me mention Texas underground as being good? Pretty sure I did.

2) You are WAY too fucking elitist when it comes to mainstream shit. Drake and Wayne are NOT as fucking bad as you make them out to be, it's just not fucking true. Yeah Wayne is a fucking braindead moron, he can still spit a decent verse now and then and he's got a great flow, what the fuck? Why do you have to act like we're scum if we dare think Wayne is still capable of making decent music?

3) I didn't say ALL underground hip hop is shit, I mentioned several different regional scenes that have great underground hip hop.

That's your fucking problem X, you don't bother looking outside of your fucking realm of hip hop. If it ain't East Coast, it ain't shit for you.

Bull-mother-fucking shit I listen to fucking everything dude don't tell me I stick to East Coast only, BULLSHIT. Fucking SHOW ME this awesome underground midwest shit, SHOW ME IT man.

I don't wanna hear your bullshit about the mainstream is in a great state.

I didn't say it was in a great state, I said the mainstream is fine if you know where to look.

Come back to me when someone on the level of Pac, Biggie, DMX, NWA, Public Enemy etc are on the scene.

DMX? Fuckin DMX? Dude, Wayne is just as good of a rapper as DMX ever was, are you serious? Pac and Biggie, yeah, different fucking era dude same thing wit h NWA and Public Enemy, man you KNOW I listen to a shitload of old school shit you think I don't love sick lyricism? I've heard some GOOD fucking shit from both Drake and Wayne in the last year lyrically, so stop telling me I haven't.

Nas is still there and we got Lupe Fiasco and Kid Cudi for some people. Please TELL ME when the fuck the mainstream is at the level it was in the 90's. Please tell me when the fuck I can listen to the radio and not hear the same beats, the same fucking material over and fucking over again. Get some fucking originality in the hip hop mainstream and come back and fucking tell me mainstream is where its at.

Dude you don't think it was the same fucking shit over and over and over again in the 90s on the radio? G-funk played to FUCKING DEATH dude, are you serious? I didn't say the mainstream was awesome, I said there was some good shit IF YOU KNEW WHERE TO LOOK. I didn't compare it to the n90s either dude. But you look on the fuckin' mixtape scene there is SO MUCH great shit going on right now. Dude fucking Reflection Eternal has a new album droppin in less than a month, Cudi just dropped a new mixtape a few weeks ago, rap is fine right now. You just dont' seem to think shit like that is mainsream, but it is.

From a man who's downloaded a whole fucking what, 2 mixtapes of Wayne? Compared to a man, me, who put the research into Wayne's new style and at one point had easily over 3 gigs of Wayne's mixtapes, Wayne's mixtapes are just as shit as as his retail albums are. Even if he has two or three decent songs in 6 albums, that's still shit. Drake is still fucking shit, I gave his last mixtape a try and it got deleted immediately.

Bullshit, I've heard good shit from Drake, he's got a good flow, why the fuck does he have to be a fucking drug dealer from Brooklyn to be a good rapper? No he's not the next fucking Tupac but he's not fucking awful like you make him out to be either. He's not great but he's not bad either. So what if he has poppy tunes? He's a different style, what's your point?

Cudi is good I've already said this shit.

He's more than good, he's fuckin' great and he's mainstream.

Actually yes it is, it's a matter of motherfuckers who decide to settle for what's out there that's the problem. Take a look at the 90's and what we got now. Who's the biggest names in hip hop now? Lil Wayne, Kanye West, Drake, and Jay-Z. Now take a look at the 90's. Biggie, 2pac, Nas, Dre/Snoop Dogg. You can't tell me that's a huge fucking drop off. You cannot honestly fucking tell me that where the mainstream is at now could possibly even fucking compare to where we were. Hip hop has deteriorated, and it's only getting worse. And if I honestly have to look hard for a good mainstream artist, there's a huge fucking problem. Back in the 90's when I could throw MTV Jams or Yo MTV Raps on and love every fucking song they played, that's when you can tell me that mainstream hip hop is doing good. Until that happens, I'll stick with the artists that give a fuck about lyrics and can take a simple snare drum and bass beat and make a good song out of it.

Congratulations Ty, welcome to pop music evolution fuckin' 101, it's the same god damn thing that happened to rock and roll we went from Led Zeppelin and The Beatles scoring number one hits to fucking NICKELBACK AND THREE DOORS DOWN dude. Did you not expect the same shit to happen to hip-hop? It isn't fresh it isn't new anymore, it's fucking 30 nearly FORTY YEARS old dude. Its not the rebellious awesome shit it used to be, BUT IF YOU KNOW WHERE TO LOOK you can find good shit.

 

[Ty Burna]

Surprise surprise it's fucking true. Feel free to show me this midwest underground shit that's so good, all I've heard is mediocre shit.

And you have shown me nothing but fucking hatred for the Midwest scene so what difference does it make to you if it's underground or mainstream? If it's hip hop that's fast, you have basically shit all over it.

Because you guys are always talking about Tech N9ne, and he's fucking awful. Further more Immortal Technique is good but I laugh a fucking riot when someone tries to tell me he's the best in the game, spare me the bullshit. I cite East Coast shit because it's mostly the only good underground shit, FEEL FREE to show me underground west shit hat's good, haven't heard anything in a long time worth a fuck out of that area.

Blah blah blah you hate Tech N9ne I fucking get it. Tech N9ne is my second favorite artist, a Midwest artist mind you, you know that region of the US that I so happen to live in that you can't stand their fucking hip hop. Immortal Technique can at least tell a good story and can weave in political issues into his music. Show me where Cudi or Drake or even Wayne can do that shit. As far as West Coast underground, the Bay area is always good for the underground. Hell even Lil Eazy E is damn good.

When he's on fucking MTV and I can download 40 of his songs on my phone, ,no, you are NOT underground. Not when you're released Top 200 albums.

MTV2. BET. See him on BOTH.

Fine whatever I must have missed the memo considering I've been listening to Atmosphere for 5 years now.

1) Did you not see me mention Texas underground as being good? Pretty sure I did.

Pretty sure you didn't it. All I see you mention is Jedi Mind Tricks/The Pharohs and the East Coast Underground stream.

2) You are WAY too fucking elitist when it comes to mainstream shit. Drake and Wayne are NOT as fucking bad as you make them out to be, it's just not fucking true. Yeah Wayne is a fucking braindead moron, he can still spit a decent verse now and then and he's got a great flow, what the fuck? Why do you have to act like we're scum if we dare think Wayne is still capable of making decent music?

So fucking what if I'm elitist? I'm sure you've been called elitist before on a number of different subjects, mine just so happens to be hip hop. Nothing wrong with that. Wayne has a great flow? So mumbling into a mic is now considered great? Holy shit then me talking in my sleep must get me at least 10 Grammy nominations next year. I don't act like you're scum, hell I even said that's all fine and wonderful if you listen to him, but when he's standing up there stating "I'm the greatest rapper" and other motherfuckers dare compare him to the real legends, that's when I start to speak up. There's a fucking difference between hating someone for listening to Wayne, and getting extremely pissed at someone for trying to compare a rapper that has a decent song "every once in awhile" to artists who have released countless great songs and countless outstanding albums. That's the fucking difference. This is why I hate the mainstream. They have no fucking respect for the legends that were out on the fucking grind and made hip hop popular. The same legends who just want respect for what they brought to the game. Yet they just get shit on by these egotistical motherfuckers like Kanye Wayne, Soulja Boy etc. Fucking Christ X I had MTVJ on for some reason today and there was a new artist by the name of Bone. I'm not fucking kidding. Do you realize how much that pissed me off? That he uses the name Bone and probably doesn't even realize that there are some respected veterans out there already using Bone in their name? No, he probably doesn't. The new generation of hip hop has no fucking respect for the old school and because of that lack of respect, I hate the mainstream.

3) I didn't say ALL underground hip hop is shit, I mentioned several different regional scenes that have great underground hip hop.

Two groups and three cities in the same region. Yup several.

Bull-mother-fucking shit I listen to fucking everything dude don't tell me I stick to East Coast only, BULLSHIT. Fucking SHOW ME this awesome underground midwest shit, SHOW ME IT man.

Look at all your posts about hip hop lately. LOOK AT IT. All you ever fucking talk about is East Coast artists. That's fine I"m not knocking that. But how the fuck am I to expect you to listen to shit with a unbiased ear when that's all you ever talk about and pimp like it's the greatest shit ever. Your boy Cudi? From motherfucking Ohio. Guess what he was before he got popular. Underground. You know the artists in the Midwest so I'm not wasting my time listing a ton of artists for you. I don't diss on the East Coast, I just diss on your East Coast bias.

I didn't say it was in a great state, I said the mainstream is fine if you know where to look.

And why the fuck do I gotta look for a good artist in the mainstream? That's not a fine state, that's a "there's a few exceptions to the rule" state. And generally that means shit.

DMX? Fuckin DMX? Dude, Wayne is just as good of a rapper as DMX ever was, are you serious? Pac and Biggie, yeah, different fucking era dude same thing wit h NWA and Public Enemy, man you KNOW I listen to a shitload of old school shit you think I don't love sick lyricism? I've heard some GOOD fucking shit from both Drake and Wayne in the last year lyrically, so stop telling me I haven't.

Really dude? Seriously? DMX when he came out was hotter than ever, and his first two albums are better than whatever the fuck Wayne will release in his fucking lifetime. I'm surprised, DMX is from New York I thought you'd love him. Great Lyricists > Decent lyricists that MIGHT release a decent song.....on a mixtape.

Dude you don't think it was the same fucking shit over and over and over again in the 90s on the radio? G-funk played to FUCKING DEATH dude, are you serious? I didn't say the mainstream was awesome, I said there was some good shit IF YOU KNEW WHERE TO LOOK. I didn't compare it to the n90s either dude. But you look on the fuckin' mixtape scene there is SO MUCH great shit going on right now. Dude fucking Reflection Eternal has a new album droppin in less than a month, Cudi just dropped a new mixtape a few weeks ago, rap is fine right now. You just dont' seem to think shit like that is mainsream, but it is.

G Funk was a popular style for the beat, I'm not arguing that. I got nothing against G Funk getting overplayed, but then again I was a fan of G Funk and I wish it would come back. The 90's still had far more quality diversity then whatever the fuck is out there now. I still don't want to go wading through a huge pile of shit to find what possibly could be a semi precious stone. I want a diamond delivered to me by Fed Ex overnight. Or is that too much to ask for some quality in the music genre that I've grown up with and loved for the last 12+ years? Is that so fucking much to ask? That I have a high standard for what I like in hip hop? Where is that a bad thing? Please tell me how this is bad. The mixtape scene is alright, I"m a big supporter of the mixtape scene.

Bullshit, I've heard good shit from Drake, he's got a good flow, why the fuck does he have to be a fucking drug dealer from Brooklyn to be a good rapper? No he's not the next fucking Tupac but he's not fucking awful like you make him out to be either. He's not great but he's not bad either. So what if he has poppy tunes? He's a different style, what's your point?

He doesn't have to be a drug dealer from Brooklyn to be a good rapper, but the fact remains I still can't fucking stand him. I've given him a try, if you recall when everyone made a big deal about him months back, I gave his mixtape a shot and compared it to an R&B album. Nothing wrong with lovey dovey hip hop but it's not my style, so I'm gonna speak my mind when someone says he's good. And my mind says he sucks. I don't need a point I'm just saying I've give Drake a chance, and I can't stand his shit.

He's more than good, he's fuckin' great and he's mainstream.

Maybe it's just me but I'm not as big of fan of Cudi as you are. And guess what, his popularity grew from the UNDERGROUND........from guess where? Take a fucking guess, that's right, the Midwest.

Congratulations Ty, welcome to pop music evolution fuckin' 101, it's the same god damn thing that happened to rock and roll we went from Led Zeppelin and The Beatles scoring number one hits to fucking NICKELBACK AND THREE DOORS DOWN dude. Did you not expect the same shit to happen to hip-hop? It isn't fresh it isn't new anymore, it's fucking 30 nearly FORTY YEARS old dude. Its not the rebellious awesome shit it used to be, BUT IF YOU KNOW WHERE TO LOOK you can find good shit.

And yet what do you do about that in rock? What did you do? You found bands that are not as well known. Hmm what's that called again? I can't seem to recall, oh that's right THE FUCKING UNDERGROUND. So if people like Nickelback and Three Doors Down and I can't stand them (which I can't anyways) am I now expected to be nice to people who claim they're better then Zepplin, The Doors or The Beatles? Clearly no one in their right mind would ever attempt it but if someone came up to you and spewed some bullshit about that, and you were a huge classic rock fan, would you not want to tear their neck to shreds and throw them onto the guillotine just to cut their fucking tongue out? That's how I feel about hip hop nowadays. People claiming that new artists are better than the classics when there is no comparison between the two. The new artists can't lace up the legends' boots, and yet these artists and their fans claim they're better than the old guard. No...just fucking....no.

So as it stands I'm done talking hip hop for awhile. I'm getting pissed far more than I should be right now but I've gotten real sick of this bullshit.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go listen to the RZA.

 

[Via Armbar]

I'm sorry but Lil Wayne is garbage. All I've heard is how he is an incredible lyricist and his flow is this and it's that. I cannot fucking stand that shit. Granted I haven't heard all of his shit but I've heard more than enough to know that he is awful. He rhymes words with the same fucking word, and not in a clever way. He recycles lines in half of his fucking songs. People say his lyrics are too deep to understand which is another way of saying "Yeah that makes no goddamn sense".

And so now he plays guitar? So he's a musician now? Come the fuck on. His ''rock'' songs are seriously jumbled sloppy messes. And his guitar skills are on par with a 12 year old who thinks it's cool to play his shitty rendition of stairway to heaven in a guitar center. And that's be kind to Wayne. It's for his image and nothing more. He added the whole rock image to his look to get more money from the 15 year old emo kids who think it's cool to like him because he's hip hop. Some years ago it became the cool thing to like what wasn't cool a couple years before that. When I was in high school , the ''punk'' kids would never listen to hip hop. They could only listen to punk or they were posers. I'm not saying that shit is cool because people can listen to whatever the fuck they want, but you get my point. It's cool now though for people who don't dress according to what the hip hop look is like hip hop artists. That's half of the reason he's fucking popular in the first place, his fucking look. He looks different then most rappers. Or at least he did. Now for some fucking reason skinny jeans and giant ugly high top sneakers and colorful scarves and shit is the new hip hop look.

I don't give a shit what my rappers look like or how they dress. But if anyone thinks Lil Wayne is as popular as he is because of his ''sick flow'' or any shit like that, they need to stop kidding themselves and realize he's nothing more than a walking fashion show for the local mall.

What's worst is the fact that he's being billed as the best lyricist of all time. Over guys like Jay Z, Nas, Pac and others? Really? Maybe I missed the song that earned him the right to be called the greatest lyricist in the game. Seriously somebody please post me some fucking lyrics that prove this. Fuck you don't even have to prove he's the greatest, just prove he's a creative as people say he is.

Armbar Sidenote: Cudi is fucking sick. Easily one of the best things to happen to hip hop in a long fucking time.

 

[X]

And you have shown me nothing but fucking hatred for the Midwest scene so what difference does it make to you if it's underground or mainstream? If it's hip hop that's fast, you have basically shit all over it.

Fast? Err, no. Just don't like alot of the same shit you do man, what's the problem? Dude I keep telling you, SHOW ME this awesome midwest tshit you're talkin about. You can say "Blah blah blah X is talkin bullshit about how the East Coast is all tha tmatters" all you like, and I can turn around and just say "Blah blah blah I'm Ty and all I talk about is the midwest and Bone Thugs".

I'm serious man, show me this awesome underground shit you're talkin about man cause I don't see it.

Blah blah blah you hate Tech N9ne I fucking get it. Tech N9ne is my second favorite artist, a Midwest artist mind you, you know that region of the US that I so happen to live in that you can't stand their fucking hip hop. Immortal Technique can at least tell a good story and can weave in political issues into his music. Show me where Cudi or Drake or even Wayne can do that shit. As far as West Coast underground, the Bay area is always good for the underground. Hell even Lil Eazy E is damn good.

Immortal Technique is good, but he's not as good as people make him out to be. Cudi can tell a story just as well if not better than Immortal can, guy fucking bares his soul on every track, he's completely different from all the bullshit tough guy money-bitches-hoes bullshit that you claim all the mainstream is about. Stop shortchanging people because they're on the radio. Cudi is fucking brilliant man.

Fine whatever I must have missed the memo considering I've been listening to Atmosphere for 5 years now.

Seriously dude? Pull out your cell phone right now, and search for Atmosphere ringtones. Guarantee you find atleast five.

Pretty sure you didn't it. All I see you mention is Jedi Mind Tricks/The Pharohs and the East Coast Underground stream. [//quote]

You're right, I must have deleted that bit about the Texas/Florida underground scene, my fault.

So fucking what if I'm elitist? I'm sure you've been called elitist before on a number of different subjects, mine just so happens to be hip hop. Nothing wrong with that. Wayne has a great flow? So mumbling into a mic is now considered great?

How does he mumble? He has a way of twisting words around to sound completely different, how can you deny that?


How can you tell me he doesn't have a sick flow right there?

I don't act like you're scum, hell I even said that's all fine and wonderful if you listen to him, but when he's standing up there stating "I'm the greatest rapper" and other motherfuckers dare compare him to the real legends, that's when I start to speak up.

Okay, did I EVER compare him to the greatest rappers of all time? No. So why are you lashing out on me?

There's a fucking difference between hating someone for listening to Wayne, and getting extremely pissed at someone for trying to compare a rapper that has a decent song "every once in awhile" to artists who have released countless great songs and countless outstanding albums.

Please show me where I compared Wayne to Tupac or Biggie or some shit man.

That's the fucking difference. This is why I hate the mainstream. They have no fucking respect for the legends that were out on the fucking grind and made hip hop popular.

That sounds like bullshit to me, I'm sure Wayne has a SHITLOAD of respect for Biggie and 'Pac. How can any rapper not?

The same legends who just want respect for what they brought to the game. Yet they just get shit on by these egotistical motherfuckers like Kanye Wayne, Soulja Boy etc. Fucking Christ X I had MTVJ on for some reason today and there was a new artist by the name of Bone. I'm not fucking kidding. Do you realize how much that pissed me off? That he uses the name Bone and probably doesn't even realize that there are some respected veterans out there already using Bone in their name? No, he probably doesn't. The new generation of hip hop has no fucking respect for the old school and because of that lack of respect, I hate the mainstream.

Dude do Bone Thugs and Harmony have a fucking copyright on the word Bone? Who gives a fuck if some rapper is named Bone, you think it's some big conspiracy to stick it to the rap legends? No. Dude you sound like a bitter old man right now lamenting about how these fuckin' kids have ruined your music. Shit changes, get over it. Does that guy have to pass a fuckin' test before he's allowed to call himself Bone now?

Two groups and three cities in the same region. Yup several.

Not sure how Philly and Boston are the same region, but okay.

Look at all your posts about hip hop lately. LOOK AT IT. All you ever fucking talk about is East Coast artists. That's fine I"m not knocking that. But how the fuck am I to expect you to listen to shit with a unbiased ear when that's all you ever talk about and pimp like it's the greatest shit ever. Your boy Cudi? From motherfucking Ohio. Guess what he was before he got popular. Underground. You know the artists in the Midwest so I'm not wasting my time listing a ton of artists for you. I don't diss on the East Coast, I just diss on your East Coast bias.

SHOW ME THESE FUCKING SICK MIDWEST ARTISTS. Holy fuck man all I talk about is east coast because it's usually the best shit. Since when was Cleveland not the east coast by the way? I know Cudi is from Ohio. How is Ohio west dude?

Dude atleast I'm mentioning artists, PLEASE show me these sick underground west artists dude, enlighten me brother.

And why the fuck do I gotta look for a good artist in the mainstream? That's not a fine state, that's a "there's a few exceptions to the rule" state. And generally that means shit.

No it's a "realize that 9/10ths out of shit on the radio sucks, which is why you have to look for the shit that doesn't suck". Just as easy as searching for obscure underground artists.

Really dude? Seriously? DMX when he came out was hotter than ever, and his first two albums are better than whatever the fuck Wayne will release in his fucking lifetime. I'm surprised, DMX is from New York I thought you'd love him. Great Lyricists > Decent lyricists that MIGHT release a decent song.....on a mixtape.

DMX? A great lyricist? Not really. DMX is overrated as fuck, released ONE good album and a shitload of mediocre/TERRIBLE albums. Which is why I figure he's atleasts on the same level as Wayne.

G Funk was a popular style for the beat, I'm not arguing that. I got nothing against G Funk getting overplayed, but then again I was a fan of G Funk and I wish it would come back. The 90's still had far more quality diversity then whatever the fuck is out there now. I still don't want to go wading through a huge pile of shit to find what possibly could be a semi precious stone. I want a diamond delivered to me by Fed Ex overnight. Or is that too much to ask for some quality in the music genre that I've grown up with and loved for the last 12+ years? Is that so fucking much to ask? That I have a high standard for what I like in hip hop? Where is that a bad thing? Please tell me how this is bad. The mixtape scene is alright, I"m a big supporter of the mixtape scene.

Blah blah blah, this entire paragraph is you shitting on music that's not your style. You don't like pop, you don't like the touches of electronica that shows up in modern hip hop, we get that, well so fucking what? Maybe some guy doesn't give a fuck about g-funk, does that mean the entire 90s sucked? No. Stop telling me all music nowadays sucks just because its not your style. I don't shit on fucking Beethoven even though I could give a fuck about his compositions. Not your style,move on, big deal.

He doesn't have to be a drug dealer from Brooklyn to be a good rapper, but the fact remains I still can't fucking stand him. I've given him a try, if you recall when everyone made a big deal about him months back, I gave his mixtape a shot and compared it to an R&B album. Nothing wrong with lovey dovey hip hop but it's not my style, so I'm gonna speak my mind when someone says he's good. And my mind says he sucks. I don't need a point I'm just saying I've give Drake a chance, and I can't stand his shit.

How the fuck is Drake freestyling over shit like the Santigold beat "Unstoppable" considered "R&B" now? Huh?

Maybe it's just me but I'm not as big of fan of Cudi as you are. And guess what, his popularity grew from the UNDERGROUND........from guess where? Take a fucking guess, that's right, the Midwest.

...HOW THE FUCK IS OHIO THE MIDWEST?! Do you know your geography? Look at a map. Ohio is closer to the east coast than it is the west coast.

And yet what do you do about that in rock? What did you do? You found bands that are not as well known. Hmm what's that called again? I can't seem to recall, oh that's right THE FUCKING UNDERGROUND. So if people like Nickelback and Three Doors Down and I can't stand them (which I can't anyways) am I now expected to be nice to people who claim they're better then Zepplin, The Doors or The Beatles? Clearly no one in their right mind would ever attempt it but if someone came up to you and spewed some bullshit about that, and you were a huge classic rock fan, would you not want to tear their neck to shreds and throw them onto the guillotine just to cut their fucking tongue out? That's how I feel about hip hop nowadays. People claiming that new artists are better than the classics when there is no comparison between the two. The new artists can't lace up the legends' boots, and yet these artists and their fans claim they're better than the old guard. No...just fucking....no.

Again, FEEL FREE to show me where the fuck I EVER compared modern artists to fucking Tupac and Biggie and Nas.

So as it stands I'm done talking hip hop for awhile. I'm getting pissed far more than I should be right now but I've gotten real sick of this bullshit.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go listen to the RZA.

Right on, cool. I was just getting sick of you tryng to make JKO feel like shit for daring to like modern rap music. Really this isn't a big deal at all, I still love you and could care less about this argument, doesn't weigh on my mind dude. Just wish you would stop trying to make JKO feel like shit because he dares like different music.

 

[Big Sexy]

I'd like to start by addressing something that came up a lot in X's last post. You said that places like Ohio and Illinois weren't the mid west which makes sense looking at the name of the region but actually the states of Ohio, Illinois, and Michigan are considered the mid west for whatever reason. So rappers like Kanye and Common from Chicago are mid west, Bone Thugs is mid west, and guys like Eminem and Royce from Detroit are mid west.

On to the current debate, I'm kind of in between where Ty and X stand. While I don't think Lil Wayne is complete shit, I also don't think the stuff he's putting out is really that good. Of course he's going to have some good songs because he does have talent but overall his quality of work isn't that good at the moment. Having a few good songs on some mixtapes doesn't exactly impress that much, not when there are guys who have put out mixtapes where 90% of the shit on it is dope. Lil Wayne post 2005 is just average in my opinion.

On to Drake. Drake again may not be on the level of Soulja Boy in terms of being bad, but his rhymes are just way too generic. All of his shit is simplistic. He isn't the worst rapper by any means but I wouldn't say he's good either. Fuck, I can rap better then Drake.

Like I said in my earlier post the quality of mainstream guys that are always on the radio just isn't good. There are a few good artists and a few good songs but overall it's bad. It's hard to even tell anymore who's considered underground, who's mainstream, and who's kind of in between, but I do know that I can't turn on the radio anymore be satisfied with what I'm hearing on the rap stations.

Also I'd like to add that I don't mind JKO liking and listening to Drake and Lil Wayne. It's when he tries to compare guys like Wayne and Kanye to Pac and Biggie that gets me pissed off. You can listen to whatever but if you try to say it's better then guys like Pac, BIG, Nas, Royce, and Wu Tang then I'm going to debate your ass on it.

 

[Via Armbar]

I'll keep it simple by saying no one should ever get shit for liking not just modern music, but any kind of music. Music is an art and therefor open to any interpretation any person can have. There is no good, there is no bad there is only opinion. And you cannot argue opinion. Well you could but there is no point because an opinion cannot be wrong or right.

Do I think Lil Wayne became over rated the moment someone called him the best lyricist in the game? Fuck yeah I do because I think that's bullshit. Doesn't mean I'm right or anyone that either agrees or disagrees with me is right or wrong. No one should get shit for what they listen to, it's all friendly conversation.

And the video you posted of Wayne wasn't that bad, I still don't think it's on the level people claim it is, but whatever. And mainstream hip hop is supposed to be taken for what it is, popular music. There is nothing fucking wrong with popular music. Are people going to shit on the Beatles? Fuck no they aren't but The Beatles are the most successful band of all time. Of course the bands of today aren't a quarter of the musicians they were, but you get the point I'm making. People need to take it for what it is. There will always be good hip hop both on the radio and underground. Sure it might not get as much radio play as the Soulja Boy or whoever, but it's there. Cudi had a huge radio hit with Day n Nite and he's one of the most creative forces in hip hop today. It's there, wade through the bullshit and you'll find it. And Drake makes good pop songs, what's wrong with that? I seriously don't understand why people get mad at dudes like him. Let him do his thing, you don't have to listen.

In every genre there are overrated bands or rappers or whatever. There will always be that little local band that are better then they get credit for. But remember when rock and roll and hip hop were first created, they were for the minority. They were for the rebels, the musicians that didn't belong, that wanted to change things. There are still those musicians. Nothing is dead, it's just hiding.

 

[Freddy4190]

Lil Wayne is so fucking overrated. He had like 3-4 good flows on the No Ceilings mixtape. I give him that. His rock album is absolutely the worst piece of shit album i've ever heard in my life. His flow was SO fucking bad. He was mumbling through the whole album. The autotune did no help at all. The only saving grace was Slim mothafucking Shady who completely stole the whole album with one verse. I am a diehard Eminem fan and to me, he is the epitome of rap right now. This man has been doing it for years and still can drop a sick flow when necessary. People are just so stuck on his old shit and can't accept that it's not the same drugged up Shady that was dropping sick ass rhymes on the Marshall Mathers LP. They expect the same shit, not understanding he's a different Slim, a sober Slim. He's changed a bit. He's still better then just about any rapper you put in front of him.

P.S: I've listened to Drake's mixtapes; they sucked.

 

[X]

Okay and I've listened to Eminem's last few albums and they've all been heaping piles of steaming shit Freddy, talk about overrated, Eminem is by far the single most overrated rapper in the game today, if not ever. If I hear one more person tell me the guy is the greatest rapper of all time or even in the top five, I'm going to die of a god damn laughter-attack.

Wayne's rock album was, in fact, awful terrible drivel. But we're talking about hip-hop, are we not? And No Ceilings had some good shit on it, much better than fucking anything I've heard out of Eminem in years.