The stable that was Darkness, Dominates, Mind Games, Mystery, and Sadistic.!!

[Xtreme_Animlas2314]

Not sure if this is the right place to put this or not. This is my first poll so please leave comment.

You know I've always wonder which stable would be the best at mind games and carry the stable into darkness. I've only came up with a few that reminds me or somewhat was in the duration. I mean in WWE/F had the Ministry of Darkness with the Undertaker and Paul Bearer, WCW Dungeon of Doom with Kevin Sullivan, ROH The Prophecy with Christopher Daniels, TNA Disciples of the New Church with James Mitchell and Shane Douglas, and ECW/WCW/TNA Raven Nest with Raven but he had other varations of this stable. I'm asking if we would to let the these stables loose with no Holds Barred who would come out victorously. Now I've given you list of members that were part of the stable but took some of them out because they were kind of worthless if you ask me. If I forgot anyone please let me know. With Prophecy only total of 8 members and Raven got about 33.


Disciples of the New Church TNA 11
(James Mitchell (leader/mouthpiece/manager), Shane Douglas (mouthpiece), Mike Awesome, Malice/Wall, Vampiro, Tempest/Crowbar, Slash, Brian Lee, Abyss, Sinn, and Kobain)


Ministry of Darkness/UnHoly Alliance/Dead Man Inc./Brothers of Destruction WWE/F 12
[Paul Bearer (leader/mouthpiece/manager), The Undertaker (leader/mouthpiece), The Acolytes (Bradshaw and Faarooq), Mideon, Viscera, The Brood (Gangrel, Edge, and Christian), Big Show/The Giant*, Kane*, and Mankind*]


Dungeon of Doom WCW 11
[Kevin Sullivan (leader/mouthpiece/manager), Brutus Beefcake/Zodiac/The Disciple, The Shark/Earthquake, Kamala, One Man Gang, Bubba Rogers/Big Bossman, Faces of Fear (The Barbarian and Meng), The Giant/Big Show, Konnan, and Hugh Morrus]


The Prophecy ROH 8
[Christopher Daniels (leader/mouthpiece), Xavier, Dan Maff, B.J. Whitmer, Donovan Morgan, Mark Briscoe, Allison Danger, and Simply Luscious]


Raven's Nest/The Flock/Necro Ward/Dead Pool/Dark Carnival/The Gathering/Serotonin ECW/WCW/TNA 33
[Raven (leader/mouthpiece), Stevie Richards, The Pitbulls (Pitbull #1 and Pitbull #2), Vampire Warrior/Gangrel, Cactus Jack, The Eliminators (Perry Saturn and John Kronus), Blue Meanie, Bruise Brothers/Harris Brothers (Don and Ron Harris), Brian Lee, Super Nova, Kanyon, Kidman, Lodi, Riggs, Sick Boy, Hammer, Horace, Reese, Vampiro, Insane Clown Posse (Violent J and Shaggy 2 Dope), Great Muta, The Demon/KISS Demon, Julio Dinero, Alexis Laree/Mickie James, CM Punk, Havok/Johnny Devine, Kaz/Frankie Kazarian, and Martyr/Michael Shane/Matt Bentley]

The thing that gets me is Raven has a chance to get just about anybody to be on his side considering the number of people he has lead into war. I've wondering who he should get to be able to go against the other stables.


What I'm asking is......
Who would you pick to be in all the stables and what would the name be?
Which stable would be the dominate one?
Which stable would play mind games the best?
Which stable would be more darker/darkness, mystery, and sadistic?


My Picks

Who would you pick to be in all the stables and what would the name be?

Disciples of the New Church

Manager: James Mitchell
Leader: Shane Douglas
One: Mike Awesome
Two: Malice/Wall
Three: Abyss
Lackey: Sinn*
Tag Team 1: Brian Lee and Slash
Tag Team 2: Tempest/Crowbar and Vampiro*
Valet/Diva/Valet: Shannon/Daffney


Ministry of Darkness

Manager: Paul Bearer
Leader: The Undertaker
One: Kane
Two: Mankind
Three: Edge*
Lackey: Christian*
Tag Team 1: The Acolytes (Bradshaw and Faarooq)
Tag Team 2: Mideon and Viscera
Valet/Diva/Valet: Jacqueline*


Dungeon of Doom

Manager:
Leader: Kevin Sullivan
One: The Giant/Big Show
Two: The Shark/Earthquake
Three: Kamala or One Man Gang
Lackey: Brutus Beefcake/Zodiac/The Disciple
Tag Team 1: Faces of Fear (The Barbarian and Meng)
Tag Team 2: Konnan and Hugh Morrus
Valet/Diva/Valet: ??*


The Prophecy

Manager: Allison Danger*
Leader: Christopher Daniels
One: Xavier
Two: Donovan Morgan
Three: B.J. Whitmer
Lackey: *
Tag Team 1: Da Hit Squad (Dan Maff and Monsta Mack)
Tag Team 2: Briscoe Brothers (Jay Briscoe and Mark Briscoe)
Valet/Diva/Valet: Simply Luscious*


Raven's Nest or Dead Pool/Dark Carnival

Manager: *
Leader: Raven
One: Perry Saturn
Two: Kanyon*
Three: Stevie Richards*
Lackey: Kidman* or Lodi* or Demon/KISS Demon*
Tag Team 1: Vampiro and Great Muta
Tag Team 2: Scotty Riggs* and Sick Boy* or Insane Clown Posse (Violent J and Shaggy 2 Dope)*
Valet/Diva/Valet: Alexis Laree/Mickie James*

Which stable would be the dominate one? Ministry of Darkness

Which stable would play mind games the best? Ministry of Darkness

Which stable would be more darker/darkness, mystery, and sadistic? Raven's Nest or Dead Pool/Dark Carnival or Disciples of the New Church

Most of the question are to hard to answer my self but depends on who is going to be in the stable for starter. I saw it would be even in some cases but still I just love to for these stable to go at it like a Tournament style with the way TNA did for the World Cup and the remaining two stable leaders will fight it out to be the KING of Darkness, Dominates, Mind Games, Mystery, and Sadistic.!!


Really just thoughts on what would happen if this did or ever happen from the past/present/future. (Of course I know some of these guys are no longer with us but if they were, what would happen.)


PS (Can someone tell me where I can find a good website that would tell me the best technical wrestlers/amatuer wrestlers?)

 

[peep4life]

THE MINITRY OF DARKNESS to me they were the most Evil, Sick, Sadistic group/stable. They scared the Sh*T out of me but i loved them this is my Second favorite Undertaker(behind the Biker). They got sick, evil and wrong that WWE had to end the group. with Taker trying to "marry" Steph and sacfricing everyone and trying to embomb SCSA, and Talking in tounges. So MININSTRY OF DARKNESS ALL THE WAY

 

[Xemmy]

Just by the way they started out The Ministry of Darkness has my vote, but only the first incarnation, I didn't care for the Unholy Alliance, or the Corporate Ministry. The very first time the Ministry was hinted at, was when a bunch of druids came out, and Undertaker crucified Austin. They continued doing that to others, like Ryan Shamrock, Big Boss man (remember the hanging too?), ect. Undertaker inducted Mideon by slashing his own wrists and making the guy drink the blood. Downright scary, and I loved it.

Raven's group would be a close second for me, because If I recall, they did the whole crucificiton thing first, and the whole thing with Sandman's son was creepy when they were turning it into a cult.

If the Straightedge Society hadn't been slowed down, it might have gone to these lengths....minus the blood ofcourse.

 

[Xtreme_Animlas2314]

Thanks for the responses so far. I was hoping more detail info though.

What should the stable name be?
Out of the wrestlers that are listed here so far who should be in the rightful stable? (like i did)
In wrestling rise and tactics who would win the stable war between these 5 stables or is their a 6th stable that I didn't come up with that fall into these catagories.? (Most Darker/Darkness, Dominate, Evil, Mind Games, Mystery, and Sadistic)

 

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

Well, let's say for example that it was just Raven's stable versus Taker's stable.

The Ministry would win hands down and here's my reason why.

Raven is a character that is well known for being an excellent story teller and manipulator, and taking a LOT of abuse, but only when he's forced to. Raven would quite happily sit in the corner while his opponent is beaten on mercilessly by his lackies, and then Raven would walk in and pick up the pieces.

Taker would probably destroy all of them on his own.

But fanboy reasoning aside, if we took your suggestions Xtreme_Animlas2314, the Ministry would still win, mainly because you've picked two odd ball tag teams in Muta/Vampiro and The ICP members or those other two guys i've never even heard of, to go head to head with Viscera, Mideon and the Acolytes.

Now to be honest, the weak link in that equation is Mideon. A slow, 300 pounder with a limited move list and no accomplishments to his name other than having the European Title handed to him by Shane O Mac. Viscera was once KOTR and he's 500 pounds that can really move when he wants to. Ever see him hit a spinning heel kick? Or a Belly to Belly Suplex? He hits either of those moves on any one of those 4 from Raven's crew and they're likely to be struggle to get up and continue.

Then if that weren't enough, you've then got the Acolytes to contend with, who had a vast array of double team moves at their desposal, and individually were double tough as well. It only takes a seconds lapse in concentration to suddenly turn around and get your head blasted off with a Clothesline From Hell or a snap Spinebuster from the powerhouse that was Faarooq.

So Raven's tag teams are likely to get decimated. Muta and Vampiro would probably beat Mideon and Viscera, but i doubt they'd stand up to the might of the Acolytes, who dominated the tag division for a good while before they decided to become the APA. On several occassions between 1999 and 2000, they beat multiple tag teams at once to become #1 contenders for the tag titles, and only ever seemed to lose when their opponents got themselves dq'd. Can the same be said about Vampiro and Muta in their division?

Edge versus Stevie Richards? Edge is the modern day equivalent of Mick Foley and has had countless hardcore wars with a decent amount of wins to his credit. Stevie Richards has had numerous hardcore wars and more often than not, been left lying at the end of it all.

Foley would beat Kanyon without breaking a sweat. Yeah ok, WCW Kanyon was far superior to WWE Kanyon, but Foley would still beat him.

Kane would also easily beat Perry Saturn. Perry Saturn is a submission specialist with a lot of aerial expertise thrown in as well. Kane is a 7" powerhouse who's only ever tapped out to Kurt Angle on one singular occassion, and has flown from the top a fair few times himself. So if Kane's not going to tap, and they both fly off the top rope but Kane has the power advantage, then Kane's likely to get the 'W' in that scenario also.

And Taker would crush Raven in seconds. There's absolutely no way in hell, regardless of who the booker is, that The Undertaker is going to lose anything to Raven. He's half Taker's size, he relies too much on his lackeys to do his dirty work, whereas Taker would happily take them all on at once, and probably beat them all back on his own as well.

And i don't honeslty see the point in a female valet for these groups. Hot sexy chicks following devil worshippers and manipualtive, scruffy looking dirtbags? Yeah, that doesn't really make a great deal of sense to me.

I'd make one switch in your Flock/Nest suggestion. Get rid of your Vampiro/Muta tag team and replace them with the Eliminators, and make Vampiro you're #1 stable member below Raven. Vampiro would work a lot better as the secondary mouth piece of the group, and if Raven were suddenly taken out, fans would accept Vampiro as the new leader of a sadistic cult than they would Perry Saturn, with guys like Vampiro under him.

Plus the Eliminators were one of the best tag teams ECW ever created and were truly dominant over just about everyone. Ever see Barely Legal the first ECW PPV. The opening match is the Eliminators v The Dudleys, and i think the Dudleys hit a grand total of 3 moves between them in a 15 minute match, and the rest is the Eliminators beating them shitless to win the tag titles. The Dudleys are ECW's greatest tag team ever, adn the Eliminators made them look like career jobbers in that match.

On to your other questions.

Which stable was the most dominant? Well the DoD did have some heavy hitters in it, but most were old and slow to begin with.

The DotNC also has some heavy hitters in it, with at least half of them having been a world champion in some promotion at some stage.

With Raven's Flock, his groups tend to be filled with low level misfits and only one member with any real skill other than Raven in the group at any one time, and because and the leader is far too reliant on the lackeys.

The Ministry's strongest, most resilient, most sadistic, and most succesful member was in fact the leader, with only the Acolytes, Vis and Christian ever achieving anything both Vis and Christian's accomplishments came before joining up with Taker.

So i'd probably say based purely on the names in the lists, that the DotNC would have been the most dominant with Shane Douglas, Abyss and Awesome all having been World Champions at some point.

Which was the most sadistic? Well i guess that's be a toss up between Raven's and Taker's again. Raven crucified a couple of people, turned the Sandman's son against him, tried to end Terry Funk and Tommy Dreamer's careers etc. Taker crucified several people, tried to gut Austin, abducted Stephanie and tried to force her to marry him, hung the Bossman at WM, and brainwashed people into joining. So i'd probably say they were pretty even. Although Taker did go as far as to invade Vince's house and leavfe burning symbols on the lawn which i don't think Raven's lot ever did, so i guess that kinda gives the edge to the Ministry, but not by much.

 

[Xtreme_Animlas2314]

Thanks for the reponse The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh.!!

This is what kind of post I wanted and of course little bit more about the other stables as well. I enjoy your post though.

Your right about Raven's lackey would do all the work but when he was in the Gathering in TNA. He did some of the work and got pretty bad but it was a great feud I think against the Disciples of the New Church.

Raven and Undertaker would be a fun thing to watch with mind games and all. I've seen the two go at it for the Hardcore title if I'm not mistaken. It would be a decent hard fought match but of course Taker would some how win though.

If I new that it would be against the Ministry of Darkness vs Raven's Nest then I would totally change my picks but I was talking about in general especially against the other stables. The way the tag team thing kind of goes in my head is Team 1 is the best one while Team 2 is like second rate and more of a push over like lackey but a team.

APA/Acolytes would be a very tough team to defeat and with Muta and Vampiro would be a good match I think. Your right I should go with The Eliminators (Perry Saturn and John Kronus) or my next guess would be the Harris Brothers (Don and Ron Harris). Of course for the size and power game for either side maybe.

Viscera and Mideon team is mostly power but Eliminators would be also good here so would the Harris Brothers. Like I mention before I was thinking of a lackey type team which to me is what Scotty Riggs* and Sick Boy* (WCW) or Insane Clown Posse (Violent J and Shaggy 2 Dope). Of course it would really be Raven's choice though. All of Raven's matches would be some kind of NO DQ and Hardcore type matches anyways.

Now since I changed Saturn to the tag team scene that leaves me with Vampiro and Muta which are great single wrestlers anyways. The best thing for me to do is put Vampiro where Saturn was but that means he'll be facing Kane. Of course Vampiro has faced tougher opponents before and the only way he'll win is by cheating or use is quickness in the ring.

That puts me into another spot who should I pick to go against Mankind, that means I'll have Muta or Kanyon or Stevie Richards. I got better feeling to go with Muta probably be the safest bet. I feel like he is a better wrestler and fighter then Kanyon.

Let Kanyon face Edge which will be pretty good match up. Stevie would definantly lose like you said.

Of course Christian would be the easist match to win for Raven if I pick Stevie or Kidman. Kidman vs Christian would be a solid match up same size and athletic, I think. Stevie would have a more edge to go against Christian then Kidman would. Christian has done a lot lately as well but with Stevie being control and taken so much punishment by Raven all these years. How can Stevie really lose unless he wants to or whatever.

The only female thing was just for fun. I mean lets say if one of these held every title in that wrestling company. There is got to be some sort of women's title as well. That's only reason I mention a female valet or wrestler. Jacqueline did pair up with the Acolytes before and well pretty good in that role if you ask me. With me thinking back at the Gathering in TNA Alexis Laree would fit well on Raven's side. She can easily pull the look off. With Jacqueline on the Ministy side vs Alexis Laree/Mickie James for Raven Side for the Women's Title. I think would be fun that's all to that though.

Your right again for Vampiro can easily move into Raven spot for the mouth piece if something happens to him.

Only thing I got left to say that if this could happen back in the day with these stables go at it would be some awesome feud and some interesting matches to though.


Subs for Raven team.

Ministry of Darkness
Manager: Paul Bearer
Leader: The Undertaker
One: Kane
Two: Mankind
Three: Edge*
Lackey: Christian*
Tag Team 1: The Acolytes (Bradshaw and Faarooq)
Tag Team 2: Mideon and Viscera
Valet/Diva/Valet: Jacqueline*

vs

Raven's Nest or Dead Pool/Dark Carnival/The Gathering
Manager: *
Leader: Raven
One: Vampiro
Two: Great Muta
Three: Kanyon*
Lackey: Stevie Richards*
Tag Team 1: The Eliminators (Perry Saturn and John Kronus)
Tag Team 2: Harris Brothers (Don and Ron Harris)
Valet/Diva/Valet: Alexis Laree/Mickie James*

I would love to see this feud happen.!!