The Real Truth behind Low-Ki's WWE release

[Kofi/ZigglerClassic]

http://blip.tv/i-want-wrestling/low-ki-talks-wwe-fcw-nxt-iwantwrestling-com-part-2-of-2-5228677


Pretty insightful interview. In a way reminds me of a Bret hart interview but the parts that really interested me was the NXT subject and how some of the things really weren't scripted on there. Sounds like he's pretty cool but professional guy.

 

[mystery_mask]

Well he had like one match in the wwe I've seen then he just left. Also Remember Marvel Comics own the "THOR" franchise & Loki name how ever it was spelled would have gave vince copy right troubles down the road.

 

[Kofi/ZigglerClassic]

To sum it up: Low Ki didn't actually ask for his release. WWE actually released him suddenly and told him to tell the public that he asked for it. However it is a very good interview and I recommend people to listen to it especially to find out more about the business and how FCW and NXT work.

 

[dcarson108]

Well he had like one match in the wwe I've seen then he just left. Also Remember Marvel Comics own the "THOR" franchise & Loki name how ever it was spelled would have gave vince copy right troubles down the road.

He had more than one match. And that wouldn't be an issue because a)he already owns the name Low Ki and b) he went by Kaval in WWE.

As for the interview, it is excellent. It's not boring at all. I was a little surprised as to how he left (gotta listen to it to find out!) but the NXT and how he got into the business surprised me. For how good/professional he is, I figured this was his life long dream. But good stuff. He's been my second favorite wrestler fo years and I learned a lot about him from this interview.

 

[mystery_mask]

No I don't think fans are die hard enough to dig into the motions of how a jobber can move up only to get fired.

All you've done is post a link about a jobber obviously no one cared about or misses for that matter. His finnisher was he jump on you from the top rope. seriously his finnisher was he jumps on you...

 

[bigbootydaddyV]

that's a pretty big shock if WWE released him and then told him to tell the public he asked for his release... why would they do that? I can only imagine if he stayed and had matches with sin cara and others. It's so surprising that he won season 2 of NXT and then is gone all of a sudden, what a waste.

 

[Karilas]

sorry about this it was an after thought be vince him self had to change the WWF itself even though it stood for something else. LOW Ki no matter how you spell it is still Loki a Name & character owned By Marvel Comics.

Loki as a name is waaaaaaay older than Stan Lee. Low Ki the professional wrestler and Loki the Marvel character are entirely distinct entities. Dude owns the copyright on his Low Ki name and has every right to use it for his purposes. WWE wouldn't allow that because they like to have control over stars they make, even to the extent of crippling their potential future earning power by owning their very identities.

No I don't think fans are die hard enough to dig into the motions of how a jobber can move up only to get fired.

All you've done is post a link about a jobber obviously no one cared about or misses for that matter. His finnisher was he jump on you from the top rope. seriously his finnisher was he jumps on you...

Seriously?

Do you not think having someone stamp on your chest from a great height would put you out at all?

Tough bastard.

Also one WWE fan's jobber is another wrestling fan's X-Division Champion. There obviously are those that have an interest in Low Ki/Senshi/Kaval, as is evidenced by the very existence of this thread.

 

[Rulk25]

Nope not even close. Loki is a name that is at least 200 years old and thus is most assuredly public domain. The only thing Marvel can copy-write is the specific appearance and mannerisms of their Loki, Thor etc.
This is different than Hulk which was a name that no one had used as a name before Marvel

sorry about this it was an after thought be vince him self had to change the WWF itself even though it stood for something else. LOW Ki no matter how you spell it is still Loki a Name & character owned By Marvel Comics.

 

[burnout4200]

Not that this matters but Marvel is owned by Disney now. So expect all of their future movies to get more and more PC.

Making someone say they asked for their release when they really didn't doesn't make all that much sense to me. Weird stuff.

 

[Iversen]

Nope not even close. Loki is a name that is at least 200 years old and thus is most assuredly public domain. The only thing Marvel can copy-write is the specific appearance and mannerisms of their Loki, Thor etc.
This is different than Hulk which was a name that no one had used as a name before Marvel

200s a bit of an underestimate try around 800 odd seeing as he was a Norse god. You are totally right though the idea that anyone can control the rights to the name of a god is wrong. They'll control the use of their character.

I haven't listened to it but I will give it a look. Seems a bit strange if the WWE did ask him to keep it quiet they'd signed off on his release rather than him requesting it... Does he give any reasoning for it? I can't see why they would do that.

 

[H33LTurn]

The people who are being all secretive over the interview in order to get some of us who really dont have the time to sit down and watch a 90 minute interview are not helping at all. Just saying.

So from what I've heard they released him and told him to tell the public he asked for his release when he really didnt. That blows, I would've been starightup with the fans anyway, since either way I was still going to be out of a job.

 

[Kofi/ZigglerClassic]

^According to the interview, Low-Ki also found out it a little strange. He figured because of some contract issue. But he states that he did not go to any WWE office and demand his release. He actually wanted to stay because he wanted to someday become Rey Mysterio's arch enemy (which wouldn't have been a bad idea since during that time Rey was the face of smackdown and it would've been a nice counter to Cena dealing with season 1 winner Barrett) but they made the decision to release him but he had to tell the public and press that he asked for it. Not surprising, the creative and WWE owners wanted to cover their tracks obviously.

He also explains how NXT wasn't as scripted as the other WWE shows. The voting was done by the WWE wrestlers and audience. He also says that if WWE didn't want him to win they could've wrote it that way but they didn't. They decided to make it full reality tv and have the wrestlers and audience do the voting. The only thing the participants know is that there is going to be a series of obstacles and tests.

The mic scenarios on NXt weren't scripted like the other shows. Him and other participants had to come up things off the top their head. Be free and show everyone if you got what it takes. I guess that's why the promos seemed a little awkward. One thing following a script, whole another thing to come up with stuff. He also talks about the whole 'chicken' thing during the promo competition and how he didn't like it too much.

 

[Macho_King]

The real reason is he is nothing special at all. I didnt see anything special at all in him and obviously neither did the WWE. With that being said i wish him the best in his future endeavors.

 

[Kingofthedeathmatch]

sorry about this it was an after thought be vince him self had to change the WWF itself even though it stood for something else. LOW Ki no matter how you spell it is still Loki a Name & character owned By Marvel Comics.

At least try to make sense grammatically when you don't know what you're talking about but I don't really feel like delving into that.

He was released 2 days before Christmas which is why I think they wanted him to say he asked for it himself. Just a case of the WWE trying to save face after epitomizing the word heartless.

He was never really given a chance to show how much he was capable of on the main roster and deserved better than what he got. He was setup for failure from the start with LayCool as his Pros on NXT which makes me clueless as to why he was hired in the first place.

 

[Kofi/ZigglerClassic]

If you listen closely to the interview, Dave Batista kind of assisted in getting him in. Batista was wondering why a talented wrestler like Low Ki wasn't signed. Which is true, low Ki is one of the best and personally i still think WWE could've used him now as a villain character. Imagine the mean silent assassin going at the masked hero Sin Cara. Little kids would've eaten that up because it would've been some straight out of a damn comic book. Just sayin. It does make me wonder, would Low Ki have been given a more fair chance had HHH been promoted sooner? HHH is responsible for Sin Cara and Sin Cara doesn't speak at all and uses his Lucha Libre and moves to tell his story.

Anyway, I also like how explains how FCW works. Pretty interesting finding out how the system works. I'm still wondering why they wanted him to act like a chicken. I mean did they really want him to act like a bird or a coward.

 

[rge2010]

Kaval was crap. I was glad when he got released. His robotic voice was boring too. Zero personality. Fuck him.

 

[NWannabe]

I hope he returns one day to fight some smaller tough guys. DBD, Bourne, Rey Rey, Sin, Barretta, etc and so forth. Dude just needs to gain more persona and be a bastard. But that got scrapped when wwe first tried to lighten him up.

 

[ultramattman]

I listened to that podcast yesterday, it was interesting.

Reading between the lines, though, I got the impression that Kaval might be a little difficult to work with. (not only with WWE, but he talked about dealing with indie bookers who won't call him back.) I'm sure it's true that he never asked WWE for his release, but it's pretty clear he was unhappy with the way he was being used, and expected as winner of NXT2 to get a push on par with the one Wade Barrett received.

 

[Trance Metaphor]

Kaval provides a lot of deep insight and knowledge in this interview. It's surprising. The greatest shame is that he never even got a chance to work a program with Rey Mysterio when that was his primary goal. They could have given him that much. Kaval is very entertaining in the ring. I followed his work in ROH and in Japan. His stiff style is awesome, but even a watered down WWE style was still getting him over with the fans. The problem is that he wasn't getting any matches against equally-sized opponents such as Evan Bourne or Yoshi Tatsu. All he did was job to high mid-carders. There was so much potential to elevate him in Tag Team competition too. I have more respect for Brandon Silvestry the man now.

 

[blueskyy]

His finnisher was he jump on you from the top rope. seriously his finnisher was he jumps on you...

Do you not think having someone stamp on your chest from a great height would put you out at all?

You two are BOTH missing the point (completely). Even though I didn't like the top rope stomp, that's because I find it to be breaking the rules. That could end career... The point with Kaval (Low-Ki) is, he has more than one finishing maneuver. He is very versatile, and he always use one that fits the situation. His hits are always on target, unlike some "hot" import right now whose hits are weak and land all over the place.

 

[Karilas]

You two are BOTH missing the point (completely). Even though I didn't like the top rope stomp, that's because I find it to be breaking the rules. That could end career... The point with Kaval (Low-Ki) is, he has more than one finishing maneuver. He is very versatile, and he always use one that fits the situation. His hits are always on target, unlike some "hot" import right now whose hits are weak and land all over the place.

Missing what point? The stomp is his primary finisher and I think it's pretty cool.

Unless you've got some mysterious insight into what the poster I was replying to actually meant, because you can't be talking about your point here, since you hadn't made one yet as this is your first post in this thread.

I really liked Kaval, enjoyed his work in TNA as Low Ki and Senshi, and I saw someone making his finisher sound lame, when in actual fact it can be fucking devastating. What the hell is this mysterious point you speak of? How on earth could I have missed it so completely when I wasn't even addressing you?

 

[blueskyy]

Missing what point? The stomp is his primary finisher and I think it's pretty cool.

Unless you've got some mysterious insight into what the poster I was replying to actually meant, because you can't be talking about your point here, since you hadn't made one yet as this is your first post in this thread.

I really liked Kaval, enjoyed his work in TNA as Low Ki and Senshi, and I saw someone making his finisher sound lame, when in actual fact it can be fucking devastating. What the hell is this mysterious point you speak of? How on earth could I have missed it so completely when I wasn't even addressing you?

You two were missing the point because Kaval is more than just the "top rope stomp". He said (I'm reiterating here) he's lame because the "stomp" is a lame move. And you pretty much said, he's cool because the "stomp" is cool.

What's with the forum now? I cannot quote anything that other people say? I can only talk when spoken to? Please!

 

[Karilas]

You two were missing the point because Kaval is more than just the "top rope stomp". He said (I'm reiterating here) he's lame because the "stomp" is a lame move. And you pretty much said, he's cool because the "stomp" is cool.

What's with the forum now? I cannot quote anything that other people say? I can only talk when spoken to? Please!

Aaaaah, see what's happened there is you've missed my point entirely. I at no point even suggested that his finisher was all there was to him. I was in fact responding to a very specific point about his finisher. Just because I think he's cool and I think his finisher is cool doesn't mean I only think he's cool because I like his finisher, y'dig?

As for that last line, whatever man. Should I not respond when someone quotes me and says I've missed the point because they read between the lines and came to a conclusion I never made? I wasn't trying to jump down your throat, just pointing out that our points may not have been the same.

 

[xoxo French Kiss xoxo]

Anyway you cut it, no one that follows the WWE really ever gave a shit about him. He's too small, too old, and too boring to EVER be a top draw in the WWE. I never found him to be that entertaining in the ring or on the mic, so who really give a shit why hes gone>?

 

[Karilas]

Anyway you cut it, no one that follows the WWE really ever gave a shit about him. He's too small, too old, and too boring to EVER be a top draw in the WWE. I never found him to be that entertaining in the ring or on the mic, so who really give a shit why hes gone>?

I follow WWE, also, I give a shit, also, judging by this thread at least a few others do too so your assumption is vaguely insulting and I'd very much prefer it if you didn't speak for everyone. Dude may never be big enough to be a top draw, but he could totally be a solid mid-carder in the WWE.