This is from the TNA vs WWE section but I think it belongs here as well.
trunksjmd said:
It's obvious only a small amount of people liked ecw. Most people have an intellect too high to watch something so primitive in nature as that disgusting little dirty mal-nourished low life fecal matter.
The numbers speak for themselves.
Oh yeah, I must say "again" I am backed up with tons of college homework so most likely I will not be responding to any of your(everybody) weak rebuttals.
And the only reason I did not finish my any of my debates from a few months ago was because I have been without a computer. And believe me that’s the "only" reason why. So don't think you "got me" if you attempt to refute mwah.
I hardly think that Kasey's or any other ECW fanatics responses to people who try to dig up arguments against ECW with no real thoughts, are weak. If anything, they are just responding to what I perceive to be weak arguments from people who struggle to back them up. If you want to earn their respect, make the arguments good ones. Don't tell people that you don't want to hear their responses or don't want to reply to them, because that is just a way to back out of an argument and just entice them to reply to you.
The only reason many fans didn't watch ECW was because it wasn't brought to the mainstream wrestling fans attention because they weren't used to seeing that against the WWE programming. This was something else. ECW was innovative, and don't say Japan did things way before them, because ECW did it with courage and brought it to the American audience against giant companies who could crush them with their money and fans anytime. My perception of ECW used to be that it was a bunch of fat men brutalising eachother with weapons but that was far from reality. They showed wrestling from wrestlers that put their bodies on the line for the sake of the business. They weren't there for money. They were there to show off their skill to an audience that respects that dedication. Yes it had a lot of high spots that were considered stupid, but that is only ankle deep in regards to what that company was really about.
Did Paul Heyman ever once conform to the standard of wrestling that was popular in the 90's with the WWF? No. He just kept on trucking for the sake of putting on a show that was different and was something special. The numbers were few but proud. They didn't care if their company wasn't as popular as the giants. All they cared about was the wrestlers that dedicated their life to ripping apart their bodies for the sake of those fans, and did they what.
ECW changed the face of the wrestling industry for the better. You cannot seriously tell ANYONE that they didn't have an influence in the creation of the Attitude Era. The WWF saw their popularity rising, or they saw how much they could market that product to an audience, and they duplicated that and made that sort of wrestling popular. If your only argument against ECW is the fact that their numbers weren't matching the WWF and WCW crowds, that shows you really have no idea about the company and what it was. I thought the same mentality until I watched videos of the ECW matches WAY before the WWE ever showed that sort of stuff. That showed me that they were a company that had no fear, as much as their wrestlers did, and that is commitment to showing their product week in and week out, that is now being successfully put into TNA today.
Yeah they weren't the most popular, but they were a company that showed something that wrestling fans never saw before in America. The spots were as good as the wrestlers and the matches. Don't ever claim that just because the crowds were little that they were a bad company because frankly the fans, the company and the wrestlers couldn't care less about that, and were passionate about their little company that could (thanks Kasey for that one.)
Watch the wrestling they produced. Just once. Don't make stereotypical views of a lower company, because they to me showed wrestling that the other American products never could show. It was more than insane high spots, and if they cared about fan numbers and money, they would have folded well before they were ruined by TNN. Maybe the fans didn't like it because those weren't fans of pure wrestling, and in America at the time, there weren't too many of them. But just look at the legacy that they have built. Forget about this watered down version of it today, because that is far from what it was like. With little money, they damn sure put on one hell of a show, and the true fans of wrestling will tell you that same thing. They were different and courageous, and nothing can deny that. Especially not shallow, ignorant, half thought up arguments such as crowd numbers.
<-WWE either use him or lose him.