The Hart Dynasty

[Disturbed]

This thread is all about the Hart Dynasty.

What are your thoughts on them? Do you think they represent the tag division like they are supposed too as champions? Do you think they are better face or heel? If they were too split up who do you think would get a push?

This is simply your thoughts on the Hart Dynasty so here are mine.

I believe the Hart Dynasty is now boring. They were much better heels. They shouldn't be the champions right now because they have nothing going for them but I guess thats every tag team in WWE right now. If they were to split up neither one of them would get a push but if I could see one of them get a push it would be DH Smith. Kidd is better as far as in ring work but he is too small and WWE isn't pushing cruiserweights.

 

[Ace333]

Tons of potential but they are boring i would like to see each of them in single bouts more and i would also like to see natalya more in the divas matches. i don't believe they really earned the belts but more like handed to them.

 

[Rammsteinerteen]

These two are great. There great at wrestling, same goes for Natyla, who should wrestle more, because the current divas suck... obviously. Anywho, I agree with a lot of people saying that they're boring. I mean, I barely ever see them, they never cut promos, and they do not ever have matches. Last Raw was the first time I saw them there in awhile. These two men will be big one day. They know how to wrestle unlike most guys in WWE *Cough* John Cena *Cough* They do not even have a match at NOC yet which is ridiculous if they call it a "THEMED" PPV.

 

[Wade's Public Transit Bomb]

I think they are pretty "meh" and overrated by the internet fans.

Both are prolly fight for the right to be the least sympathetic face in the company. They put DH in baby face in peril spots and his negative presence kills the crowd. Kidd isn't has anymore "oomph" than DH, though.

In the ring, Kidd is much more TNA ready than WWE ready simply because he focuses on the movez than actually things that make a match compelling in the long run. He doesn't sell well. He doesn't strike well. There is quite a few guys with the athletic ability of Kidd, but much better. (Evan Bourne, Justin Gabriel, Morrison just on Raw alone) And DH is so damn bad that they didn't even have him take part of the HANDICAP match on Raw longer than a Hart Attack and escaping the cage.

I really don't buy the crap about how they "need" to be used more considering the big time rub they got around WM and they shove the heck out of that Hart family stuff down our throats, but they have been completely and totally too damn flat in everything they have done since.

Long story short: DH = hoss personified, Kidd = generic personified

 

[MWRedskins]

This thread is all about the Hart Dynasty.
What are your thoughts on them? Do you think they represent the tag division like they are supposed too as champions? Do you think they are better face or heel? If they were too split up who do you think would get a push?

This is simply your thoughts on the Hart Dynasty so here are mine.

I believe the Hart Dynasty is now boring. They were much better heels. They shouldn't be the champions right now because they have nothing going for them but I guess thats every tag team in WWE right now.

Here's my take on the Hart Dynasty, they are really good, maybe great if given more ring time in ring performers and to be honest, i dont know how they are on the mic because of the lack of TV time, all the issues with the Hart Dynasty is NOT on the Harts, it's on WWE. If The Hart Dynasty were in TNA, they would be given matches and exposure, but in WWE, they are rarely seen. That HAS to change and soon before the Tag Team Champions, the Championships and of course The Harts become forgotten.

 

[JGlass]

I think they are the tag team division's last hope. The tag team division has been dead for years, with belts going to super teams like Kane and Big Show, Mysterio and Batista, Rated-RKO, even Benoit and Angle. Sure, they'd sneak a real tag team in there every now and then–MNM had a good run, London and Kendrick had success–but very few had any long term success.

The Hart Dynasty has everything it takes. They have great wrestling skills. Tyson Kidd is a very agile and quick technician, and Smith is a strong guy who is very competent in the ring, and isn't overly reliant on the fact he's the big guy. They have the gimmick. They're the 2010 version of the Hart Dynasty. They have a total knock out in Natalya who escorts them to the ring, not to mention she can wrestle. They even have the connections... hell, they're the last of the Harts that aren't named Teddy.

Sure, we have the Usos, but let's face it, Bret Hart, Owen Hart, Jim Neidhart, D.H. Smith, The British Bulldog... that's quite a legacy. The Usos are related to the Anoa'i family. Sure we all know who they are, but I'd say a large percentage of the WWE audience doesn't know who they are.

And then we have The Dudebusters, The Gatecrashers, Santino and Kozlov... I'm probably missing a few. But these guys aren't going to be long term champions. If they ever do manage to win, they're not going to be long term champions.

Both of the Harts have the in-ring talent to have a decent solo career, but I don't know if they have the look or the personality. I think it would be best for both their careers and the health of the WWE for them to stay as a tag team and have a presence in the division for years to come. Maybe make them lose the belts to a new heel team (Nexus comes to mind, or maybe a team that comes out of NXT season 2), and have them chase the belt for a while. It's much more fun to see faces chase the belt than to hold onto them, and defend them against the same people week in and week out.

The Harts can be the saviors of the tag division if the WWE lets them. I hope the WWE lets them.

 

[Matt7584]

First off the Tag team division is stale not the Harts. Their biggest problem is that they dont have a manger to put them over. They both lack mic skills and natalya is great to have around but she wont get them over. Bret wouldve been the perfect guy to do that. The writers werent going to have bret do that. However they need more matches and DH smith needs to work on his skill set. They also need to distance themselves from the sharpshooter. Thats brets, owens, and stings finisher and these guys havent proved a thing to use that move. They need more exposure on raw feuding with different tag teams week to week. that willl keep them relevant and interesting.

 

[Mfinchv1]

Tyson Kidd was awesome, when he was in ECW. I think his first match was with Fit Finelly, on ECW. I thought, man....this kid is pretty awesome. He worked Stiff! DH Smith, debuted on Raw I think, like three years ago, he was always sorta booed, like the Rock was, when he was first starting in the wwe.

Now as the New Hart Dynasty, the only thing they have going for them, is the fact....that they use Bret harts Music. They have better music then the current Bret Hart theme....lol. I enjoyed Brets older music, more then his newer music. Its like the Hart Dynasty uses the older Bret music now, and they just suck

 

[The Calgary Kid]

I don't think it's so much that they're stale, it's that they have nothing to do. There are no tag team feuds right now, aside from their brief feud with the Usos. I do think that they were basically gifted the belts because of Bret coming back, but they are also were the only legit tag team at the time, aside from the Dudebusters, and they obviously wanted to free up Miz and Big Show. Now we're three days from NOC and they still haven't announced their opponent, or if they're even wrestling at all. We all know that the tag team division is barren, but they don't even have anyone to put on a match with.

In terms of who would get the bigger push if they were split up, I think neither. I'd be tempted to say Kidd because he's far more entertaining, but their real strength is as a tag team. If split up, I can easily see both of them being buried, even with the legacy they come from. They have all of the tools to succeed and can be exciting if they're put in the right match, but that seems to be a rare opportunity for them. One of the more exciting matches I've seen in the past few months was a six man tag match on Smackdown when they paired with Mysterio against the SES. Surprisingly, the chemistry was actually pretty good and there were some nicely executed spots. The match with Jericho on Monday was decent, but mostly due to Jericho, and DHS was barely involved in the match at all. It's sad though, that they seem to have to be part of someone else's feud/angle in order to get on TV. Regardless, I don't think there is another tag team in WWE who can put on a better match, which is partly why they are suffering right now.

As for Natalya, I really wish they would use her more. Even when they did let her wrestle, they didn't do anything with her either. She is arguably the most talented of all the women they have, which is probably why they won't get her involved in Diva matches--she'd totally expose just how bad most of them are, and taking a belt from her would end up being viewed as a tremendous fluke. Regardless, if someone that talented retires without a title victory, it would be pretty disappointing.

 

[Ferbian]

They have a lot of potential as wrestlers in general. I think it's a shame that they hardly get to be featured, or for that sake to showcase their championship reign. Right now, they just seem like a momentary championship holder for the sake of holding the championship to make them seem important.

David Hart Smith is a big guy, and he could definitely become huge if the Hart Dynasty should ever break up. He reminds me a lot of his father, both in build as well as in-ring ability, something which will do wonders for his career.

Tyson Kidd on the other hand is pretty much a lost case if the Hart dynasty splits. Great great in-ring wrestler, however he looses a bit on the microphone, as well as the fact that he is small. He should be able to get some great matches out of Kaval and Bryan Danielson however, if the split-up should ever be the case.

I can't help but wonder what WWE has planned for these two, they're not really being featured a lot, and mostly around Bret Hart, who isn't being featured a lot either. They got a new championship to sport, but they're hardly displaying them.

And that's not really a hit against WWE at all. They have a lot of great things going, but I feel that it's a shame a team like these guys should be somewhat thrown to the side due to it.

 

[Chill]

Originally Posted By TaylorNix:
This thread is all about the Hart Dynasty.

What are your thoughts on them?

I really like them, if anything because they remind me of guys like Bret, Owen and Davey Boy...

Do you think they represent the tag division like they are supposed too as champions?

No. Through no fault of their own, however. It's no secret that the tag division in WWE has been neglected for some time now and sadly, the Hart Dynasty are just carrying the belts as props. They have rarely been utilised on TV and haven't been involved in any significant storylines of their own, until that happens, how are they meant to improve?

Do you think they are better face or heel? If they were too split up who do you think would get a push?

It's difficult to say again because they haven't really accomplished anything while playing the face or heel. Sure, they were face when they captured the belts, but still, what have they done? With that being said, I think they're a likeable trio and so I think they should stay face for now....but for the love of God, allow them to do something WWE. And by asking WWE to do something with them, I mean put them in a full fledged storyline, rather than having them wrestle the Usos in a few random matches every now and then.

As for who would get the push were a split to occur, I see David Hart Smith going further quicker because of his name and who he is but I also see them utilizing Tyson Kidd, because that guy can go in the ring. However, both, especially Tyson need to work on their personality before going solo because I think that's were they're really lacking at the moment, but then again it's not like they receive much mike/promo time to allow this evolution to occur...

 

[airvar]

This thread is all about the Hart Dynasty.
What are your thoughts on them?

I love them, They have pretty decent match's. Natayla is great, and DH smith and Tyson Kidd make up a perfect tag team.


Do you think they represent the tag division like they are supposed too as champions?

Yes, they are a great tag team to hold the belts.. There feud with the uso's was fun, and entertaining.. The problem is they get less on air time (on raw) then Santino and Koslov do.. You see them about as much as william regal..

They are the tag champs! they should be featured on every raw, at least in some form or another.. Night of chamipions they should have had a feud , not some random team to face , where the build up consists of one day, or an the match announced over the internet..

I have a serious issue with the fact that there NOC hasn't even been anounced yet and the PPV is right around the corner. There needs to be at least 2 weeks of build up to really get people intrested in them.. Creative is flat out screwing these kids out of there opportunity to turn heads.. I'm not saying devote 20 minutes a night to them, but your telling me we couldn't have one less divas match? One less Kozlov and Santino match? We couldn't substitie the 3rd comedy segment of the night to get the current UNIFIED TAG CHAMPS of the wwe 5 minutes of screen time to let us know they still exist? And by being unified champs it dosen't even have to be on RAw, they have had PLEANTY of wasted time on smackdown as well to get these two into a feud.. IF raw is stacked , and there is no time available there is 2 hours avaible every friday night on smackdown to start up a feud with one of there tag teams.

The Hart Dynasty can't even be judged because of how little they are being pushed, even IF they were given the titles. A push is more about getting TV time to get yourself over, and less about holding a belt which amounts in the end to just being a prop.. These kids could revitalize a pretty dead tag division, and give some of the talent a place to work.. (multiple tag teams means a lot of guys get more screen time, and the ability to check out a multitude of young talent at once, to see who might be a viable singles competitor)



Do you think they are better face or heel? If they were too split up who do you think would get a push?


Face, I wanted to cheer them on smackdown. They were boring as heels, pretty a-typical stuff, cheat every once in a while ect... People love Bret, People Love Owen, People love the Hart Family legacy... They've been waiting to cheer this team since the moment the set foot on smackdown.

They just need to be given the TV time to shine.. Bret's rub helps, but they n eed T.V. Time for THEM , without Bret overshadowing..

The WWE is doing themselves a great disservice by not attempting to revitilize what could potentially be a great tag divison. It will draw better ratings then the Diva's, or the comedy segments, thats for sure!

 

[Theo Mays]

I'm with Ferby on this one. It is a shame that the E doesn't showcase them enough. If they allow the HD to actually wrestle and focus on the tag team division it could bring some spunk back to it. There are plenty of teams that could compete if they give them the right amount of time. If they did this it could also bring Natalya to the forefront and get her involved with the Women's title and they can be the faces of unified championships. Both Kidd and Smith can go in the ring and they are the perfect combo for a team. The got power, speed, and chemistry. They got the rub from Hitman and now all they need is for the E to showcase them for their true talents.

 

[TheAbsolute1]

This team is great, but they're dull. Tyson Kidd is an amazing competitor, a highflyer and a submission specialist is an awesome combo. Smith is kinda predictable, you always see his hot tags coming i really think Kidd is carrying the team.

 

[I_Am_Electro_Boy]

I personally really like The Hart Dynasty, they're a great team atleast the best in WWE. But there biggest problem is that they're not being used much, but I think the only reason for them being underused is because they simply have nothing to do. There aren't many teams in WWE anyway and two of the few teams are already feuding (The Usos and Santino and Kozlov), and Hawkins and Archer haven't been a TV for a while. So there isn't really anymore teams left except for the team of McIntyre and Cody if they count as a proper team.

 

[The Raven's Epitaph]

This thread is all about the Hart Dynasty.

What are your thoughts on them? Do you think they represent the tag division like they are supposed too as champions? Do you think they are better face or heel? If they were too split up who do you think would get a push?

I don't like the Hart Dynasty. They just don't do it for me as a team. I think they've got dry personailities, their mic skills aren't really that great and I don't enjoy watching them one bit. When I look at them, I just picture them as two best friends as kids that wanted to be in the WWE together and now they've got their wish.

I don't think they're representing their division either, no. Yeah, they hold their championships, but do they leave a lasting impression and let their opponents know who's boss? I sure as hell don't think they do. Let's face it, they haven't really been given any good competition since Over the Limit when they fought Chris Jericho and The Miz. Plus, WWE are too blind to do anything with The Usos. They were perfect competition. Both teams were young and talented. It's just a shame that The Usos are hardly ever seen on TV or PPV's.

I couldn't care less if they were face or heel to be honest, I either just fast-forward it or go for a piss. I really don't like watching them.

If they split up, I don't think either of them would end up getting a push. Just because they'd be sidelined like the rest of the mid-carders. But..for the sake of this post, I'd say Tyson Kidd would most likely get a push. He's more athletic in the ring and he's more of the fans' favourite out of the two. DH Smith isn't entertaining in the slightest, he's clumsy, too slow and really throws his weight around. He's like a Penguin.

Good thread, mate.

 

[Xemmy]

The Hart Dynasty has the power of pure wrestling. No doubt about that. However, as virtually EVERYONE has noted, they have no mic time, and don't even really have a fued right now. There are plenty of tag teams for them to face, and there are plenty of people not doing anything that could be potential opponents, but the E just doesn't seem to give a damn about them, the belts, or the division.

 

[The Crock]

They really haven't done much as of late, I expected much more. The tag division looked like it might have a resurgence, but I'm pretty sure that any hope of that is now gone... seeing as the Usos have been losing to Kozlov and Marella. But, on to the point of the thread. The Hart Dynasty might want to consider a change in alignment, maybe a heel turn and Natalya should definitely get some more singles matches. She is extremely talented in the ring and it is a shame that she doesn't get much more in ring action. I think that the biggest problem with The Hart Dynasty at the moment is that they are just somewhat stale, they need a direction or at least some decent competition.

 

[vgeneration81]

The Hart Dynasty has great potential but in order to show that potential in a tag team, they need to feud with similar tag teams. I think they represent the tag division the best that they could under the circumstances.

I love them as a Tweener. They need to work together and still have a lot to go before they can split up.

 

[harrythem]

The Hart Dynasty are such a waste to me. Unlike most of the just FCW trained wrestlers they've had experience around the world. They've had the chance to pick the minds and get tips from some of the best of all time yet, for some reason, when they're in the ring they have absolutely no connection with the audience. They get no reaction and no heat during their matches.

People can say this is the WWE's fault but, look at some of the other talent like JoMo and even Evan Bourne. They've had the exposure on tv but do nothing that makes the audience care about them, not even down to the way they sell moves.

Could end up meaning something but, for now, place them in the mehhh section

 

[EdgeHead504]

The problem is they're the only credible team in the tag division as of late and that's not saying much.

My biggest problem is that Natalya's talent was wasted so she could be the belt-carrier for the team and then guess what....now there's only one belt for each guy....now she's really useless except to slap someone occasionally.

Personally, I think she is so much more talented than the big faces of the Diva's division. Granted, no one Diva can save the division, but she'd be a hell of an improvement to the Unified Women's title picture. That coupled with Beth Phoenix's return soon could get some real momentum for them, but I digress.


Bottom-line the Hart Dynasty is a waste talent due to lack of competition, and when you get down to it...LACK OF A GIMMICK! They're descendants of Stu Hart....big deal...you can only do so much with that. It was cool when Bret Hart first came back...now it's an excuse for him to hang around and overstay his welcome and makes the Dynasty look like the same old thing...they need to find their own identity.

 

[Sting's Bat]

Wether they are good or not really doesnt matter considering they have no challengers really as the WWE tag division is dead in the water and has been for awhile.

Personally due to the whole Nexus affair I rate them pretty low since they were for a time the Official Nexus punching bags.

 

[steedyo]

I think they have a load of potential but still suffer with the lack of a decent tag team division.

Both are good wrestlers, and Natalya is a really good "diva". She's a very talented wrestler (and I'd love to see some matches of her vs Beth Pheonix on a side note) and she's looks stunning.

The WWE has a chance to push these guys to be a legendary tag team, but they need to step up the division so people take it seriously, and have some interest. In the late 90's I was really into tag teams, and I think there is plenty of scope for it?

David Hart Smith has the strength and Tyson Kidd is the "high flyer". Both should use the submission and true wrestling aspect more. And with the outside interference of Natalya they have the classic making of a great team. All the boxes are ticked, apart from i've never really heard them cut a decent promo, to be honest, I can't even think of seeing (they must have done a few) but the only ones I remember are when Bret was about. I think this is what is really holding them (and the rest of the division - no team can cut a promo apart from Goldust and Santino Marella who are just funny but good)

Once they have more skills on the mic, then they should go far, but they would have broken up by then and fade into the distance of the mid-card...