LOL, and you believe him?
Yeah, Kurt, the 40 year old with a broken neck and no striking ability, was going to move into MMA.
I never said he was the SMARTEST person in the world... But any interview you read to this day states Angle wants to try MMA.. I never said it was the right career path.
The climax to that was awesome.
It could've been had TNA developed it better... They tried to recreate Hogan vs Nash from WCW when they both wanted control of the nWo and it didn't work.. But their match was decent enough.
Other than when he turned on Hulk Hogan.
Yeah and he came out the next week, Superkicked Roddy Piper, and the crowd cheered. Nuff said.
If you've got good enough writers and performers you can manipulate the fans however you want.
Well the "good enough writers" part of that sentence pretty much cancels TNA outta the equation then.
You couldn't expect the fans to give a shit about the Frontline when it was made up of Joe, Styles and noboddies.
Like you said, if you've got good enough writers, you can manipulate fans however you want.. They labeled AJ Styles the face of TNA.. That should mean the fans care about you... And didn't they have Rhino and The Dudleys too? The fans still didn't care.
For years TNA has pushed the older wrestlers as stars, that's not going to change with one promo.
And that's Sting's fault, how?
How do you know? If they don't try they don't succeed.
And you actually think Sting would be the top heel with Kurt Angle on the roster? To build the angle they wanted to build, they needed Sting as the reluctant heel.
I thought Sting was already a face?
Technically, he isn't... He won't be officially a face until he leaves the Main Event Mafia...Unfortunately.
He wouldn't be as successful as he is without using his stroke on occasion. I never said he did it all the time.
I agree... But to say he uses his stroke to stay as a face eventhough he's supposed to be heel is a little one sided.
If he didn't object to turning heel then why isn't heel heelish?
Again, because TNA has not booked him that way.. He started out acting like a heel by attacking AJ Styles, attacking Samoa Joe with a bat, etc. But he was still getting cheered.
I didn't bring up HBK, HHH or Jeff Jarrett. I think you're naive if you think that one of the biggest names in wrestling has never used his name value to change booking plans.
I'm sure he has... I don't doubt that... But Sting's never been revealed as the kinda guy who would change booking plans even IF it meant hurting the company like the other 3 have done in the past.
But are you saying that Shelly didn't benefit from being put with Nash?
Not really because for the most part since leaving Nash he's done virtually nothing, been buried at the bottom of the roster, and only just now is starting to be utilized again with his VERY short X Division Title reign. I see the word "benefit" to mean that being paired with someone catapulted you to better things in your career and in that aspect, Shelley has not.
So! Sonjay Dutt still developed a personality which he can now use in whatever promotion he's now gone to.
And what personality is that? And arabian happy-go-lucky goof who carries around a tamborine? Or the guy who competed in Macho/Hogan circa 1990 with Jay Lethal and So Cal Val? I fail to see how rehashing characters and storylines from the early 90's "benefits" the X Division..
Well he did, even you said so when you pointed to Jay Lethal.
Well..In that case... Shouldn't we say Randy Savage is responsible for the growth of Jay Lethal? It is HIS character he's using.
Like what, having terrible gimmick matches in which the typical crowd responce was ''Fire Russo''?
I thought Sting/Abyss matches were decent... The Fire Russo chants have more to do with Russo's incompetance and not Sting's work.
You can't stay with the same manager forever, you need character development. Coincidentally, Sting, he's been the same for a while now hasn't he!
So has The Undertaker, Triple H, Shawn Michaels, pretty much any big name legend still left standing has had the same character for years... Sting started as the bleach blonde surfer dude, transformed in to the crow, and then developed in to The Icon you see today.
Via DQ. A pinfall would have got Abyss over all the more.
In the books, it says Abyss DEFEATED Sting.. That's really all that matters.. And Abyss defeated Sting for the NWA World Title..TNA then dropped the ball with Abyss' Title run.
You'd think, with Sting's popularity and all, the crowd would love whatever he does. They do with Hogan, Flair and others.
Also, as the veteran, along with Daniels, isn't it up to Sting to get people involved in the match?
It's Sting's part but it's not his job, at 50 yrs old, to carry one of the top young guys in TNA.. It's still Daniels' responsibility to develop his own character and personality and get it over with the crowd, a concept to this day I still don't think he's gotten.
At a time when Kurt Angle was the top heel in the company? Don't think so.
Jeff Jarrett was the top heel at the time... Christian turned on Sting during a match with Jarrett... I don't even think Kurt was with the company at the time... And Jarrett was on his way out to take time off.. And when he did, who basically took the reigns as top heel? Christian Cage.
It was the alliance with Christian that helped A.J.
And AJ's feud with Christian(both of them) certainly didn't' hurt.
Christian was never the top anything. As a face Sting was always bigger as a heel it was always Angle, or even Jarrett.
That's why Christian was NWA Champion twice, as a face and a heel.. When Jarrett left, Kurt was the top face and Christian was the top heel.. When Angle turned heel, the top face to oppose him was Christian Cage... Christian was the focal point plenty of times in TNA.. It wasn't til the last few months that he started to fade out.
Yeah, when Joe & Rhino were off TV.
Noone ever cared about Rhino... And when Joe was on TV, he was feuding with Kevin Nash while AJ faced TNA Champion Sting.
He defeated Booker T for the belt!
You say that as if he defeated Eric Young or somethin... Need we remember Booker T is a 6 time World Heavyweight Champion and a legend in his own right.. It's not like he's a scrub off the street.
Joe was one of the biggest stars in the company until he started losing.
My point exactly.. He was still considered a major threat.... Until he lost to Kevin Nash. He hasn't been the same since.
It was the title reign that killed what little momentum Joe had.
That really has more to do with Samoa Joe and the bookers of TNA than anything.
They were still getting paid though, possibly millions per year in Sting's case. Just because WCW was dying doesn't mean he couldn't have gave it his all to help out the company. Laziness was the exact opposite of what the company needed at that point.
Tell that to the other 60+ superstars... Sting was nearing retirement(the 1st time) and WCW wasn't really using him at the time.. Sting in his PRIME couldn't save WCW from sinking.
A Frankensteiner is one move. A very simple one at that. Visually impressive, but anybody can do it. Just because he can pull off that one move in a match involving 9 other wrestlers, doesn't mean he can put on a decend 1-on-1 match.
Scott Steiner did a Frankensteiner Last year for the first time in 10 years so I doubt it's as easy as it sounds.... But Scott Steiner hasn't been the same competitor since he became "Big poppa Pump" all roided up.
You're mistaking laziness with just not being very good.
Nash is lazy, but he's also got busted knees and he's a big man. What exactly do people want somebody of his size to do?
I dunno.. The Undertaker's about his size as he's doin suicide dives over the top rope... Kane's about his size and he's doin Flying Closelines.. Big Show's BIGGER than Kevin Nash and still moves better, even with bad knees.. I just don't think Nash feels he has anything left to prove and if that's the case, get the hell out.
Like I said, limited schedule, less effort, more pay.
Wouldn't you want a limited schedule if you were nearing 50 yrs old and been wrestling non stop for basically 20 years now? It's TNA's fault for payin him that much... He'd be a fool not to take it.
Undertaker workd house shows and travels when he's champion.
TNA never travels with Impact outside Orlando.. WWE Smackdown airs from a different city every week.. Sting doesn't work house shows probly because it's not in his contract... Neither does Shawn Michaels.
I don't need money. But I'm offered some for doing very little, I'll take it. Same can be said for almost everybody.
You just made my point then... Like I said, he's 50 years old... How much do you expect him to do?
I wish I was given the oppertunity to half arse at work and still make more than anybody else.
The biggest waste of a salary belongs to Kevin Nash.. Sting still provides something to TNA.. Kevin Nash rarely wrestles, never jobs, and moves about as slow as my grandmother... Put him behind the Announce table or release him.. Either way, Sting is still a valuable asset to TNA and He, along with Kurt Angle, are two guys who'd hurt TNA if they left.
