Some Advice About Jobs, Please?

[Milkyway!]

I recently got a new job, and after working there for about 3 weeks I simply do not enjoy the way I've seen the company treat employees. I've talked to 4 different employees that have each worked with the company for 3 years, yet none of them make more than 7.75$ an hour. Also, I was pretty much lied to in the hiring process whenever I spoke with the hiring manager about shifts I'd be working. I'm looking for something between the hours of 6am (the store has a lot of early prep work)-5pm which she agreed to; however, I've now worked 3 weeks with 0 hours coming between 9am-5pm.

Basically my question is this: If I go out looking for another job after getting this one not even a month again, would that look bad to another hiring manager?

I was thinking of saying 1 of 2 things to whomever is doing the hiring:

1) I really enjoy getting 40 hours a week, the people there are okay, and overall I enjoy the job. However, I find that the company may not be as loyal to employees as they proclaim to be because out of 4 different employees that have been there for about 3 years a piece none of them make over 8$ an hour. I simply want something "better."

2) The job is great; however, upon being hired I was under the impression that I would be working days. The hiring manager assured me several times that this was the case, yet after working there for nearly a month they've yet to work me a single day. I simply need to work days for scheduling reasons (college, community band, my families overall schedule, etc)

 

[The Brain]

If you've been there for such a little amount of time I'd just leave this job off the resume.

 

[Gelgarin]

If I go out looking for another job after getting this one not even a month again, would that look bad to another hiring manager?

Yes, almost without exception. Statement one will make people even less inclined to hire you than if you remained silent. Statement two is plausible, but definitely not after three weeks of employment.

In this economy if you walk out of a job after three weeks and weren't actually being molested by your employer then it's going to be a major black mark against you with anybody in recruitment.

 

[Chess]

1. Nobody likes their jobs (or at least rarely)
2. Your employer will always mislead you.
3. You will always be asked to do more with the hope to progress but this is simply a way to make you work harder.
4. Be happy you have a job in the current climate.
5. Never leave a job unless you have another already lined up. A shit job is better than no job.

and finally, If you want a better paid job, get a better education!

 

[Milkyway!]

If you've been there for such a little amount of time I'd just leave this job off the resume.

I have two problems with that. I'm likely not going to be able to explain why my starting date is 2 weeks from now without going into detail on current employment. My other problem is I have very little job experience outside of Long John Silvers. That only lasted about 9 months.

 

[Milkyway!]

If I go out looking for another job after getting this one not even a month again, would that look bad to another hiring manager?

Yes, almost without exception. Statement one will make people even less inclined to hire you than if you remained silent. Statement two is plausible, but definitely not after three weeks of employment.

In this economy if you walk out of a job after three weeks and weren't actually being molested by your employer then it's going to be a major black mark against you with anybody in recruitment.

If I went with statement two in like 2 months, do you think that would still be a giant black mark? This job isn't terrible and they're giving me great hours at minimum wage so I can certainly deal with it, but at this rate I'm going to miss out on community band, marching band, and won't be able to take night classes (they start in September).

 

[Mr. Artistic guy]

Have you spoken recently to your employers about your gripes with the hours? I know you said you'd agreed with them about what sort of hours you would be working, but they may have forgotten or need to be reminded. You could always try re-mentioning that you have other commitments, and if it doesn't work you aren't in any worse a position than currently.

 

[Gelgarin]

If I went with statement two in like 2 months, do you think that would still be a giant black mark? This job isn't terrible and they're giving me great hours at minimum wage so I can certainly deal with it, but at this rate I'm going to miss out on community band, marching band, and won't be able to take night classes (they start in September).

If you can present it to a potential new employer as something legitimately worth walking out over. Nobody in recruitment is going to accept any variation of "I didn't like the job so I quit", that makes you look unreliable and they're going to presume that you might do the same thing if they hire you; so they won't.

It basically boils down to 'is your reason for leaving any good'. If it isn't then nobody will want to hire you. If your employer is legitimately mistreating you and legitimately lied to you about the hours you would be working then you have options, since you should have a contract validating your version of events. If; however, you're just leaving because you don't like the job... leave it off the resume. No experience will fuck you over most of the time, but not as reliably as a reputation for being a quitter.

Professionalism is a very big deal in recruitment.

 

[Milkyway!]

If you can present it to a potential new employer as something legitimately worth walking out over. Nobody in recruitment is going to accept any variation of "I didn't like the job so I quit", that makes you look unreliable and they're going to presume that you might do the same thing if they hire you; so they won't.

It basically boils down to 'is your reason for leaving any good'. If it isn't then nobody will want to hire you. If your employer is legitimately mistreating you and legitimately lied to you about the hours you would be working then you have options, since you should have a contract validating your version of events. If; however, you're just leaving because you don't like the job... leave it off the resume. No experience will fuck you over most of the time, but not as reliably as a reputation for being a quitter.

Professionalism is a very big deal in recruitment.

I agree when it comes to professionalism, and that's why I want to make sure the whole scheduling issue would be an adequate reason for leaving. I actually thoroughly enjoy the job. It's extremely fast paced, and they're giving me 40 hours a week. I cannot complain whenever it comes to that; however, my gripes are honestly I don't see loyalty in the company, opportunity within the company, nor do I enjoy the whole scheduling issue. Because I'm going to put in a two week notice, but I want the other job "lined up" first.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

You have a reasonable reason for wanting a different job. I wouldn't worry about revealing your current employment status. The blank spot in your current employment status may cause other employers to think you are desperate. Just simply state the fact that you want to work morning to early evening hours and leave it at that. You don't even have to explain why you want the early hours. Avoid words like 'loyalty' and 'lied to', it makes you sound like a self aggrandizing whiner.

 

[shattered dreams]

Get something lined up before you leave. Don't talk bad about the current employer in the interview. I'd just sell it as you are looking because the hours will potentially conflict with school if they ask about it.

 

[The 1-2-3 Killam]

Here's what I learned from my time working with Walmart: if you filled out an application that explicitly outlines the hours you are available for work, and the company hires you with that on record, they are legally responsible to work within your available schedule. However, if you put "open-close" on your application, no matter what you asked for verbally, you have no legal grounds to stand on.

Here's the sticky situation: most managers know you're not going to have the balls to approach them about it. But like I said, if you filled out an application that has a legitimate place for the signatures of both yourself and a manager, they legally MUST work with you. They also can't fire you for demanding your available hours either, or they'd have a giant breach of contract suit on their hands. But again, managers and large companies know you're never going to have the balls to stand up and say "this is what you hired me for - this is what I'm doing."

You also run the risk of them getting annoyed with you, and finding some other minute detail to fire you over. For that, there's legally nothing you can do. No matter how good you are at your job, they can always find SOMETHING to terminate you for. WHen it comes to looking for another job, I'd actually think they'd respect you more for standing your grounds and looking for a job that respects the individual and demands the hours they were promised. People have families, other jobs, etc etc. There's a reason they have to ask for your available hours. If you tell a potential employer that they refuse to work around your schedule, it shouldn't be a problem. People understand that large companies are dicks, even if they are one themselves.

I eventually left Walmart, because they were scheduling me on top of my college classes for several weeks in a row. But I need the money, so I ditched class and ended up failing two of those courses. I talked to my manager, he told me he'd fix it and nothing was ever done. I talked to his manager, and they threatened to fire me for going over my direct supervisors' head. I threatened to call BBB; they gave me my hours. I still quit, having won that battle, and no longer needed the hours or harassment from a dick company like Walmart.