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I was really hungover this morning and did something I haven't done for years, watch Raw. It was pretty decent. I have been reading about the whole nexus angle since it started but this was the first time I have seen it. Great segment with the old legends in the ring for the Steamboat dvd but something happened that shocked the shit out of me.

During Arn Anderson's talk he mentioned the five greatest wrestlers of all time and now I am a realist and I know they wouldn't mention names currently in a rival organisation but to name Triple H first is complete BS. IMHO Triple H is a good worker but I would never consider him one of the greatest of all time EVER. Seeing how every segment is soo heavily scripted do you think this confirms all the conspiracy theories of how much backstage pull he has or do you think someone is brown noising up to the bosses son inlaw. Do you honestly consider Triple H in the top 5 greatest wrestlers of all time?
 
That's a hard one. Really, it is. Top 20 for sure, without a doubt. And maybe top 10. But the top five spots I am not so sure on. He has definitely been one of the best this decade and still enjoy him wrestling and partake in feuds.
 
Well taking away from the fact that he married the bosses daughter to get most of his accomplishments I say he in no way should be higher than Eddie Guerrero. HHH is a good mat technician and showman thats about it. Compared to someone like Eddie who is Top 10 for sure, I'd say HHH is somewhere in the mid to late 20's
 
I actually said "Ric Flair" out loud while he was listing people and laughed when Arn didn't mention him. Now I know Flair is in TNA, but if Vince wasn't pissed at him then he would've got mentioned. Everybody knows about the Horsemen. The little kiddies wouldn't of cared.
 
Everybody has their own opinion...Yeah Id rank him in the top 5, but thats me, i like Triple H he has created a ton of memories..if that doesnt give yu a top spot..then im not sure what does...i mean, Lets take Hogan..he isnt very exciting to watch..but he was a great entertainer, and is ALWAYS mentioned in the top 5, now if you wanna get down to actual wrestling...then number one would be Kurt Angle, nobody can compete...why? because he has that amateur wrestling background. another would be Chris Benoit..he was fantastic at technical wrestling, very fun...Eddie Guerrero, Shawn Michaels (back in the day), even Undertaker...point though is..you cant really classify any one person as "the greatest of all time" because there are so many GREATS out there...its much easier trying to find the worst of all time..and going from there...
 
I think this was mentioned because HHH is on his way back, so I think we'll be hearing his name dropped more often just to put his image in peoples mind so there is a big pop for his return.

As for top 5, i think not. He is right outside of my top 5 though so definatley top 6 or 7 in my book. You can say what you want about his backstage politics, but he is good at what he does and nothing I have seen him do has been boring. Any one with more than 10 title reigns needs to be top 10. He has 13 by my last count.
 
Look do you really think he meant Triple H? Like come on, WWE tries its hardest not to mention TNA at all, nor do they want to talk about anyone in TNA so of coarse Arn wasn't going to be aloud to Mention Flair, Angle, hell even Hogan.

Why did he say Triple H? Because Triple H is one of the guys that's A) Still with the company, B) Has been in the company a long time. I don't look to much into this.

To be honest, him saying Triple H is the greatest ever is just WWE trying not mention anyone not in the company.
 
Well obviously, if you just tuned into Raw like you said, I'm assuming your not a WWE fan.

Now as it pertains to HHH, he is in fact in my top 5 of all time. Hell, he's in my top 3. He has done phenomenal work for WWE since his debut as the blue blood. He played the game smart, learned from some of the best in the buisness and is one hell of a dedicated worker.

Him getting married to Steph was major. Now I don't know if it was Hunter's intention to "fall in love" so he can have all of the perks a McMahon would get, but he definitly knows how to pick his women, ill tell you that much.

But IMO, I have to say I think he would have been a star regaurdless. He is a beast in the gym, and is always looking for ways to improve his game. He has been around for a while now and has racked up a pretty big list of accomplishments if you ask me. Multi time world champion, royal rumble winner, main eventer a WM, and he is one of the most recognizable superstars the E has to offer. Now I'm not saying that everything he is involved in turns to gold, but he had "it" regaurdless.

Definitly worth getting mentioned by arn anderson if you askin me. Arn said it because its the truth, not because anybody is brown nosing. I didn't get that feeling at all from the segment I watched on Monday night. Just a straight shot segment with emotion and depth to it.
 
Wow really? You would consider Triple H garbage, seeing as how he gets w/e he wants. Thats why he hasn't been WWE Champion for over a year now. HHH is and rightfully deserves to be in the top 5. I even consider him the best heel of all time. HHH has done more in this buisness then 3/4 of the enitre WWE Roster past and present. HHH earned his titles. Just because he married the bosses daughter doesn't mean he did it for his advantage. Triple H has made more historical moments than anyone is WWE currently. HHH ran two of the greatest stables of all time, DX, and Evolution. HHH made orton what he is today. Same with Batista. HHH hand picked them to be in evolution. HHH is about pushing younger stars. He cares about the buisness and that is why he is The Damn Good. You obviously don't know anything about wrestling if you think HHH is horrible. Without HHH WWE wouldn't be where it is today. You want the top 5 of all time, Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Shawn Michaels and Triple H. They all changed the wrestling world at some point, so yea, HHH deserves to be in there. So stop whining because Triple H is better than your favorite wrestler.



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Yeah, this is just a silly topic. There's no reason for him to mention anybody that's not currently associated with the company in some capacity. So when you factor that in, of course he's Top 5.

And to be honest, if he's not Top 5, he's close anyway. I know all the smarks hate him because he's married to the boss's daughter, but being married to the boss's daughter doesn't make you as entertaining and good in the ring as Triple H, and being married to the boss's daughter doesn't get you the crowd reactions Triple H gets. Would he have all of his accomplishments if he wasn't married to Stephanie? Maybe, maybe not. But he'd have most of them.

Edit: Crumpet? Really?
 
Triple H is definitely top ten. His title reigns alone say that, but he has also been a part of some great things. Him against Foley, classic. The two man power trip, DX, classic. The man is an all time great and will go down in history as the man with the most title reigns in WWE history... 'Nuff said.
 
Not too many people thrive off of wrestling like Triple H. Not also that, but look the main even scene for 8 out of the past 10 Wrestlemanias. Hell, I think he has been to more Wrestlemanias, then Flair, Hogan, and even the Rock combined.

So, top five, might be right. I'm not going to argue Arn Anderson on the thing.
 
HELL YES i consider HHH in top 5. HHH sure he married STEPH but i believe even if he didnt marry her he would be at the same place he is NOW. HHH is THE CEBRAL ASSAIN THE KING OF KINGS THE GAME HHH he has done so much for the bussiness and he still gots it he bring the old school style of wrestling that we all love and i love watching him wrestle. the backstage politics sh*t again HHH admited in an interview awhile ago that he didnt mean to fall in love with STEPH they were just doing a storyline together and then got to know each other better and they fell in love and if he really had so much power blah blah blah then why in the BLUE HELL hasnt he had the WWE title hell he hasnt had any title(besides the TAG TEAM TITLES WITH HBK) an over a year explain that because if he had all this power he wuld of beat FLAIRS record by now(even though i think he will before he retires but he desreves to). sure FLAIR would be in the top 5 but he ruined alot of respect VINNIE MAC had for him when he went to TNA. and to end im guessing your not a WWE fan if you just decided to watch it
 
I was really hungover this morning and did something I haven't done for years, watch Raw. It was pretty decent.

Wrestling is pretty cool stuff, huh?

Great segment with the old legends in the ring for the Steamboat dvd but something happened that shocked the shit out of me.

Was a good, segment. It was cool seeing all those tough old bastards in that ring, but nothing about it shocked me.

During Arn Anderson's talk he mentioned the five greatest wrestlers of all time and now I am a realist and I know they wouldn't mention names currently in a rival organisation but to name Triple H first is complete BS. IMHO Triple H is a good worker but I would never consider him one of the greatest of all time EVER.

Well, I haven't seen this mentioned, but what if Arn just feels that way himself? How do we know that Arn doesn't actually think HHH is the best wrestler, or maybe the best current wrestler? We don't and wrestling is all about opinion, some people consider Ultimate Warrior to be in the top 5, I would certainly disagree with them but I can't say they're wrong.


Seeing how every segment is soo heavily scripted do you think this confirms all the conspiracy theories of how much backstage pull he has or do you think someone is brown noising up to the bosses son inlaw. Do you honestly consider Triple H in the top 5 greatest wrestlers of all time?

I'm not saying Triple H doesn't have backstage pull, but I think his abuse of his power is overly exagerated. He seems, to me at least to be a very proffessional guy. Some people say he uses his pull to hog the title belt and always has the belt, well I think your wrong, HHH has put over so many younger talents, and while he has won many titles, it is deservedly so because when playing either a heel, or a face roll he plays it exeptionnaly well and can transition between the roles effortlessly.

Well taking away from the fact that he married the bosses daughter to get most of his accomplishments I say he in no way should be higher than Eddie Guerrero. HHH is a good mat technician and showman thats about it. Compared to someone like Eddie who is Top 10 for sure, I'd say HHH is somewhere in the mid to late 20's

Triple H didn't use the bosses daughter to get most of his accomplishments at all, if you think that you certainly know nothing about Triple H, or when he got married, he was a one time European, and 5 time Intercontinental champion a one time Tag Team Champion (with Steve Austin), a 5 time WWF/E champion, a one time WCW champion (in WWE) and a one time Undisputed champion, all before he was married to Stephanie. I'd say thats pretty succesful, wouldn't you?

What I'm trying to say is, Triple H can certainly be considered one of the best if you look at accomplishments, and he isn't a slouch in the ring, or on the mic. Is it really that hard to think of Triple H as one of the greatest of all time? Do you really think its crazy other people do?
 
Your answer depends on the way you want to chose top 5. If you are counting tittle reigns then HHH is surely in top 5, if you counting wrestling skills , he is definately not there and I think he can barely make it in top 20 of all time. If ypu conting viewers drawing power then HHH can easily be in top 20 but not in top 5 or top 10. If you count everything together then HHH can be in top 20 easily but in top 5 I dont believe so, not for me atleast.

For me top 5 goes like that and I consider audience drwaing power, wrestling skills and showmanship to make that list.
1. Stone Cold Steve Austin(He has every thing i mentioned above)
2. Ric Flair ( He has everything too but he needs to stop wrestle for good now)
3. The Undertaker( Best big wrestler ever, still have enough drawing power)
4. Shawn Micheals and Bret Hart (The best in everything but his drawing power is less than the people I mentioned above)
5. Hulk Hogan (Only his wrestling skills could not get him in top 3 )

For me HHH, Ricky Steamboat,John Cena, The Rock, Bill Goldberg, Eddie, Chris Benoit, Randy Savage, Chris Jericho, hell even Kurt Angle comes wayyyyyy after them.
 
Triple H is definitely one of the top 10 best, top 5 is different though. I think, loike everybody has already stated, that if he wasn't married to Stephanie, he wouldn't be within the top 25, lucky to be 30. So to answer the OP, no, I do not consider Triple H one of the top 5 wrestlers ever
 
HHH is definitley one of the best 10. maybe not 5. but 10. i mean could you imagine if he said "John Cena" instead? i think they just ran out of wrestlers(most of them are in a rival company) and put triple h. and besides hes a 13/14 time world champion so how is that not one of the greatests of all time. because hes married to steph? that has nothing to do with how good a wrestler and entertainer he is. i mean just look at all of his accomplishments :

13/14 time world champion
5 time intercontinetal champion
king of the ring 1997
2 time tag team champion
2 time european champion
won the 2002 royal rumble
formed d-generation-x one of the greatest stables of all time
formed evolution wich made randy orton and batista main eventers
he had awesome feuds with kurt angle, chris benoit, etc

that my friend, is definitley one of the greatest of all time, maybe not one of the 5 greatest, but still one of the greats.
 
Well, I haven't seen this mentioned, but what if Arn just feels that way himself? How do we know that Arn doesn't actually think HHH is the best wrestler, or maybe the best current wrestler? We don't and wrestling is all about opinion, some people consider Ultimate Warrior to be in the top 5, I would certainly disagree with them but I can't say they're wrong.




I'm not saying Triple H doesn't have backstage pull, but I think his abuse of his power is overly exagerated. He seems, to me at least to be a very proffessional guy. Some people say he uses his pull to hog the title belt and always has the belt, well I think your wrong, HHH has put over so many younger talents, and while he has won many titles, it is deservedly so because when playing either a heel, or a face roll he plays it exeptionnaly well and can transition between the roles effortlessly.



Triple H didn't use the bosses daughter to get most of his accomplishments at all, if you think that you certainly know nothing about Triple H, or when he got married, he was a one time European, and 5 time Intercontinental champion a one time Tag Team Champion (with Steve Austin), a 5 time WWF/E champion, a one time WCW champion (in WWE) and a one time Undisputed champion, all before he was married to Stephanie. I'd say thats pretty succesful, wouldn't you?

Let's look at the Title reigns HHH had before he married Stephanie...
WWE Champ Reign 1-22 days
WWE Champ Reign 2-49 days
WWE Champ Reign 3- 118 days
WWE Champ Reign 4- 35 days
WWE Champ Reign 5- 35 days

Levesque married Stephanie McMahon on October 25, 2003.

After he married her.
WWE Champ Reign 6- 0 days
WWE Champ Reign 7- 210 Days
WWE Champ Reign 8- 70 days
WHC Reign 1-76 days
WHC Reign 2-280 days
WHC Reign 3-91 days
WHC Reign 4-85 days
WHC Reign 5-84 days

HHH is the leading World Heavyweight Champion since its induction into the WWE with 5 reigns and 616 days under his belt. And for the WWE championship he is #7 with 8 reigns totaling 539 days.
HHH has used backstage influence whether done by himself or his WIFE to essentially be in every title opportunity humanly possible. I don't doubt the mans ability but he isn't #1 material quite yet. He's on his way there but not quite there yet.
I'm still curious who HHH exactly put over in your opinion my friend. Batista? Eh Batista was good on his own. To be fair Ric Flair put him over by essentially naming him his protege. Randy Orton? Nah Orton did it pretty much on his own. Orton IMO would still be as big a star he is today with or without HHH being there. So who else did he "put over"? Shelton? Oh yeah he's not in WWE anymore. Clearly a successful putting over. Can't say he put over Sheamus because he's beaten him more often then not if memory serves me correctly. So again I ask you, WHO has HHH put over in the WWE? (Only reason I'm asking is because I've ranted about this in other threads that HHH doesn't put ANYONE over and if he does they end up being released or he buries their push a short time later down the road)
 
It is all a personal thing. It's about how high you value in-ring ability, charisma, influence, title reigns, remarkable moments and credibility.

In my opinion, he's far, far away from the Top 5. I made a toplist myself and there I placed him 18, between Andre and Morales. When you just don't really think about it, there are a lot of wrestlers you forget. I guess some people would put 15 people into their Top 5, not thinking about the ones they already put in. There are a lot of guys who - in my opinion - deserve to be over HHH but aren't in the WWE picture nowadays at all, like Thesz, Misawa, Sting, Race, Kobashi or even Sammartino. But at the end of the line, it's a matter of taste.

I say he's very remarkable and one of the best, but Top 5 is some sizes too tall. There are about 30 guys people would put in their personal Top 5.
 
There's nothing saying that Arn isn't in his full right to legitimately think Triple H is one of the best in the business, even if other fans don't think so.

Just because Triple H has accomplished things with probably a large influence from his marriage, there's no saying that Triple H couldn't have accomplished things without the marriage, Triple H is a great talent, and has a great mind for the business.

I have always seen Triple H as one of my favorite wrestlers, just behind Shawn Michaels, and it's not just because of his accomplishments, but because he truly is the whole package, Triple H might be limited in his in-ring work right now due to nagging injuries and having two separate quad injuries, and he's still going strong even with that.

Triple H as well has great microphone skills, if you don't believe that, watch his D-Generation X stuff in the 90's and his Evolution stuff, as well as any given time he gets on the microphone.

And to top it off, Triple H, steroids or not, I don't care how he got the body, but it is one of the ultimate looks for a guy to make it in Vince's business, we all know he's high on big builds and charisma, Triple H is both.

While Triple H might have achieved more than he truly deserves due to his marriage, and even no matter how much heat I might get for this, I truly believe he has done every little thing to prove that he deserve to be called one of the greater talent in the business, as well as a corner stone of WWE.
 
Triple H is definitely top ten. His title reigns alone say that, but he has also been a part of some great things. Him against Foley, classic. The two man power trip, DX, classic. The man is an all time great and will go down in history as the man with the most title reigns in WWE history... 'Nuff said.
In my opinion, title reigns don't say that much. Or better, the amount of title reigns doesn't say much, the combined length or title matches won are a better indicator.

During the attitude era, the title was thrown from wrestler to wrestler. During that time (I'll go from the beginning of "RAW is WAR" in march 1997 until the brand split in march 2002, five years), we had 31 reigns. In the five years prior to Attitude, we saw 15 reigns, not even half as many. The five years after, there were 15 reigns, too. So it's easier for wrestlers of the Attitude Era to have many reigns.
 
Let's look at the Title reigns HHH had before he married Stephanie...
WWE Champ Reign 1-22 days
WWE Champ Reign 2-49 days
WWE Champ Reign 3- 118 days
WWE Champ Reign 4- 35 days
WWE Champ Reign 5- 35 days

Levesque married Stephanie McMahon on October 25, 2003.

After he married her.
WWE Champ Reign 6- 0 days
WWE Champ Reign 7- 210 Days
WWE Champ Reign 8- 70 days
WHC Reign 1-76 days
WHC Reign 2-280 days
WHC Reign 3-91 days
WHC Reign 4-85 days
WHC Reign 5-84 days

HHH is the leading World Heavyweight Champion since its induction into the WWE with 5 reigns and 616 days under his belt. And for the WWE championship he is #7 with 8 reigns totaling 539 days.
HHH has used backstage influence whether done by himself or his WIFE to essentially be in every title opportunity humanly possible. I don't doubt the mans ability but he isn't #1 material quite yet. He's on his way there but not quite there yet.
I'm still curious who HHH exactly put over in your opinion my friend. Batista? Eh Batista was good on his own. To be fair Ric Flair put him over by essentially naming him his protege. Randy Orton? Nah Orton did it pretty much on his own. Orton IMO would still be as big a star he is today with or without HHH being there. So who else did he "put over"? Shelton? Oh yeah he's not in WWE anymore. Clearly a successful putting over. Can't say he put over Sheamus because he's beaten him more often then not if memory serves me correctly. So again I ask you, WHO has HHH put over in the WWE? (Only reason I'm asking is because I've ranted about this in other threads that HHH doesn't put ANYONE over and if he does they end up being released or he buries their push a short time later down the road)


This has to be one of the most ignorant posts I've ever seen.

#1. Take a look at title reigns in the Late 90's/Early 2000's. That title has swapped back and forth, over and over.

The longest title reigns from 1998 to 2003 were:

Triple H-280 Days
Kurt Angle-126 Days
The Rock-119 Days
Triple H-118 Days
Steve Austin-91 Days

1, count em, 1 World Title reign was over 200 days from 1996-2003. So, lets see the longest title reigns from 2003-Present.

John Cena-380 Days
Batista-282 Days
JBL-280 Days
John Cena-280 Days
Triple H-210 Days

So, to prove your theory wrong, I say that Triple H married Stephanie McMahon at a point where the World Championships were at a point where they were not being thrown around from week to week, like they were pre-marriage. I'm SO sick of smarks like you who blow triple H's backstage pull way out of proportion. Use your brain, which WWE superstars have the best booking sense? Triple H, Triple H, and Triple H. He's a smart guy! He's a good booker! So of course he's gonna have backstage pull!

He didn't put over Batista? He put over Batista at 3 consecutive PPV's. Ric Flair didn't do that, Ric Flair was his tag team partner. And he's horrible on his own.

He didn't put over Randy Orton? You don't put yourself over, it doesn't happen. Someone puts you over or gives you your first high-profile feud, and Triple H did that with Randy Orton.

Triple H has put over:
Randy Orton (No Mercy 2007)
Jeff Hardy (Armageddon 2007)
Batista (Wrestlemania 21)
Chris Benoit (Wrestlemania 20)
John Cena (Wrestlemania 22)
Big Show (Survivor Series 1999)
Hulk Hogan (Backlash 2002)
Legacy (Breaking Point 2009)

Triple H jobbed to all of these superstars. Giving a good portion of them the biggest win of their career. So if you dare say Triple H doesn't put people over, look at the facts.


I say Triple H is Top 5 on my list, Number 4 actually.

1. Steve Austin
2. Shawn Michaels
3. Bret Hart
4. Triple H
5. The Rock

Triple H has done more for the WWE than anyone. Him and The Rock carried the WWE while Austin was gone. Then he carried it alone after they both were gone. Triple H is an all-time great. It's a no-brainer in my book
 
Might be his own opinion or it might just be scripted..I hear they let the old vets to add on anything they like in their promos...Who cares? Its not an insult, i'd say top 10, and top 5 in actualy wrestlers today!!

I think VKM doesn't care that Flairs wrestling in TNA, but the fact that he is in a rival promotion, he doesn't want the Flair name around..Heck, I read on prowrestling that he has banned the flair chops to the chest because he is afraid the fans will be chanting WOOOO...so it just shows Vince doesn't want the fans to be thinking of TNA when they watching their show!!
 
I'm still curious who HHH exactly put over in your opinion my friend. Batista? Eh Batista was good on his own. To be fair Ric Flair put him over by essentially naming him his protege.
To be fair, IT was Triple H who hand picked Batista to join Evolution to start that. Oh and I don't even remember Ric Flair picking Batista as his protege, I mean I remember them being a tag-team but nothing to put Batista over. What I do remember is the build up of Triple H and Batista to WrestleMania and the following months after, and that's what I believe made Batista.

Randy Orton? Nah Orton did it pretty much on his own. Orton IMO would still be as big a star he is today with or without HHH being there.
Yeah, but that's your opinion, I don't think Orton would be as big as he is now. I mean before evolution all I remember was those updates on his injury he had every week, and I always confused him with Chris Nowinski. I don't know why, but working with Triple H gave him a substantial rub to where he is now.

So who else did he "put over"? Shelton? Oh yeah he's not in WWE anymore. Clearly a successful putting over.
Yes because someone not in WWE anymore is clearly not over. I mean Kurt Angle and Ric Flair No not at all totally not over. I mean ok, yes Shelton never had a major run, but that was more of his work ethic from what we know. But his matches with Triple H when he moved to Raw was what made him at least to me a higher-mid card in my view. Kinda of with Kofi and Orton recently before their little feud, I wouldn't have believed it if Kofi was in the main event or beat a main-eventer often, but since then It seems perfectly reasonable. That's what Triple H did for Shelton.

Can't say he put over Sheamus because he's beaten him more often then not if memory serves me correctly.
But once again, you're asking who he put over. Yes Triple H has won his fair share of matches, but in all honesty no one really found Sheamus a believable Champion until he feuded with Triple H. putting someone over doesn't mean you constantly lose to them. It's making them look good, and elevating them. That's what Triple H did, and if he can do so while winning a majority of the matches, well good for him, he's doing his job well.

So again I ask you, WHO has HHH put over in the WWE? (Only reason I'm asking is because I've ranted about this in other threads that HHH doesn't put ANYONE over and if he does they end up being released or he buries their push a short time later down the road)
Putting someone over is fairly objectable, like the top 5 wrestlers ever. I feel Triple H has put your above stated wrestlers and you do not. But to answer your question for someone fairly recent and to your specifications, Legacy; as DX.

Also Triple H keeps other wrestlers relevant. if it wasn't for his feud with Shawn Michaels when he came back, I don't think HBK would have got the same response that he got.
And when he feuded with Ric Flair, Ric Flair seemed to be running on empty but their feud seemed to re-energize the Nature Boy.
Big Show has had his ups and downs, but it seems whenever he has a feud with Triple H almost always He becomes relevant again.

But that's just what I think.
 
Holy crap, why do people get so offensive about stuff on here. Everything posted is an OPINION. I personally am not a fan of HHH but I do realize that he is a good wrestler, but, that being said, not a top 5. I would put him towards the bottom of a top 10 list however. I don't feel it's right that he has any backstage pull at all and Sheamus holding the title right now proves that. That is, in a way, how HHH put over Sheamus. If you would have asked me this question a few years ago though, then he might have been top five for me. I feel him being on wrestling this long has tainted his reputation. I don't think they should have brought back DX, but then again, that's just me. Probably the only reason Arn mentioned HHH was to make people think about him and plant a seed of him coming back soon. Oh, and yes, too bad they can't mention wrestlers on TNA.
 

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