So Bayley Is The WWE Raw Women's Champion...

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  1. Jack-Hammer

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    ...at least until Fastlane when Charlotte regains the title. Playing hot potato with titles is possibly my single biggest pet peeve in wrestling, I think it tends to devalue the title in almost every instance, though I do have to say that's not been entirely the case here.

    Charlotte and Sasha Banks had what most would consider the feud of the year in 2016, they typically had excellent matches in which they traded the title back & forth with all of Sasha's wins taking place on Raw while all of Charlotte's took place on ppvs. I get the whole "Queen of PPV" thing, but I do hope that it ends soon as trading the title back & forth with Bayley, even if it results in high quality matches, the way she did during the second half of 2016 with Sasha, is pushing things.

    If they're going for a Sasha heel turn soon, I think Bayley should end Charlotte's ppv winning streak, doesn't drop the title back to her and have Sasha's jealousy over Bayley accomplishing what she couldn't be the catalyst for said heel turn.
     
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  2. Dmbfantomas

    Dmbfantomas Bald Billy was Better

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    I'm beyond sick and tired of the "achieved her lifelong dream!" which doesn't play well anyway when you're like, 24-28. The hot potatoing of the title bothers me, a lot. Because Charlotte is going to win it back again at Fastlane (making her a 5 time champion, 6 if you count the Butterfly belt. 5/6 times IN ONE YEAR!!!) and the fact that I'm prepared for that shows just how worthless this title is.

    It doesn't even have anything to do with my general dislike of "the Women's Revolution" either, because I love what they've done with the Smackdown women's title so far. I don't think Bayley is terribly good, I was at the Hell in a Cell main event when the only reason I didn't walk out is because so many other people did it would have defeated the purpose of beating traffic, Charlotte is super talented but all of her matches do nothing for me because I already know how the movie ends. They're all sloppy, which is fine because a lot of the guys are too, but I don't have the same investment in their matches.

    Charlotte's run is starting to remind me of the Reign of Terror, and it terrifies me.

    I know they're getting murdered on women viewers after the first hour, so god bless all involved if this helps that, but I doubt it.
     
  3. The Life Of Pablo Ren

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    I'm starting to think/wonder if it's a backstage joke of some sort and they're doing this purposely. Actually, I'm fairly certain that's the case. It was a great match but... I just don't understand why this had to happen.

    Now what happens at Mania? Wasn't the whole point of this for Bayley to win the title FOR THE FIRST TIME there and end Charlotte's PPV win streak? If they still go that route the magnitude of the victory will be so much smaller than what it could have originally been. Charlotte's gonna win the title back at Fastlane and honestly... I wouldn't be surprised if she retained at Mania and they kept milking this PPV streak.

    Unless somehow someway they end up not having a Women's Championship match at Fastlane and save it for WrestleMania and Bayley retains by pinning Charlotte... I guess that would be... cool.
     
  4. TeamAwesome

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    I'm sure I read on the main site a few weeks back that plan was to have Charlotte going into 'Mania as champion and have Bailey win the tittle then, so her win did surprise me.

    Do the writers feel the need for a title change the night after a Smackdown! PPV to shift the focus back to the A show?

    I can't help thinking the two are going to continue playing hot potato with the belt until then and Charlotte finally loses on PPV.
     
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  5. Greg4WWE

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    I bet they give it back to her next week on Raw when Charlotte comes out and has lawyers or whatever, shows footage of what happened, etc etc.

    Not sure why they feel they need to keep Charlotte's PPV win streak alive and have her lose on Raw. It's annoying.

    At this point I wish they just had Charlotte hold onto it until Wrestlemania when Bayley actually eats her.

    I thought that was the plan all along.
     
  6. Dmbfantomas

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    Because they need Charlotte to get as many reigns as possible, because Flair.

    Her dad is butt, and what they're having her do is butt. Title reigns are for weenies. This title is silly and so are all that hold it.
     
  7. Navi

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    Kind of confused here myself as to why Bayley won it last night. If it was only to give it back to Charlotte at Fastlane then it was a complete waste of time. The RAW PPV's are already kind of meh, and there is no point even watching a Charlotte match if you know the outcome before every one of them.

    They are doing Charlotte a disservice more than anyone else. She is head and shoulders above most of the women on the roster but her title reigns are becoming less and less special. It's like she loses it on RAW but wins it back at the next PPV, shit with the amount of PPV's we have now, she'll break her father's own father's record within two years.

    The booking on SD Live with regards to the women's division is just so much better. There you have almost every woman in a feud with a story line attached to it. On RAW it's just about Charlotte and who she's feuding with at the time. Everyone else is an afterthought. And Bayley, oh my God, as much as I like her, she isn't in Charlotte's league at all. As a matter of fact she hasn't done hardly anything since being called up. For being such a big deal in NXT, she is kind of fizzling out on the main roster. I like her but the intensity just isn't there like it is with Charlotte.
     
  8. George Steele's Barber

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    This feels incredibly premature. The fact that they did this for a character like Bayley with assistance from a crutchshot and at the end of the show when viewership is at it's lowest seems fishy to me. Think of all the kids that missed her "moment". It doesn't make sense. I suggested last night that Charlotte gets her lawyers involved. I also think that it is within Bayley's character to concede the title since she didn't win 100% pure.

    We will see. Ultimately Sasha belongs in the Mania match for the title at Mania. Maybe this is another way to get there. Maybe we get a three or four way. Regardless, it was a good match and decent moment but it still feels like they could have done so much more. Maybe I shouldn't be whining as Raw had a very good main event and I should leave it at that.
     
  9. GOOZEKING

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    I am disgusted. They truly believe that Charlotte winning the title 5 times is her building a legacy. How old is Charlotte, 30 years old and on March 5 2017, she will be a 5 time women's champion at age 30. So by the age of 33-34, I'm assuming she would have passed her fathers reign. The amount of times you hold a championship does not make you the greatest of all time. I don't think Rick flair is the greatest of all time because he had 16 or more title reigns and I don't think Charlotte is the greatest of all time when she passes the record. It is the length of the reign and what you do in that reign makes you a legend. wwe creative is so incompetent that they think I know our division is trash on raw so let's just have them trade the belt back and forth and make history cause the crowd are a bunch of idiots. I'm sitting here and thinking why did you not save this moment for Wrestlemania. Now the only thing we have looking forward too at mania is Sasha's heel turn. I mean the match was amazing but my god the result just makes no sense.
     
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  10. stingray11214

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    They gave Bayley the strap to push her merch to new heights, period. Sure, they could have waited until Mania. But, why wait when you are in her backyard? When you see a bunch of signs saying "I'm a Hugger!", you know it is time to strike the iron when it is hot. This is also a test to see if Bayley can do when one Mr. Danielson did: Create an organic movement that will see people drop money to see Bayley and buy her merch. If her numbers remain the same, their will be a lot of hand wringing in Stamford.

    As for Charlotte? She will get the belt back not because of what Sasha Banks did, but because of what Dana Brooke did. Steffi will rule that Charlotte should have been DQed. And, the belt cannot be changed on a DQ. Charlotte keeps the belt through Mania, Bayley beats Charlotte at Mania. Sasha Banks turns heel on Raw the next evening.
     
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  11. LBGetBack

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    This is so dumb. Bayley's money is all in the chase! She's the underdog! Why would you give her the title right now? Not to mention, she's been pretty bad on the mic so far. She needs more time.

    Sasha and Charlotte were presented as equals, which is why they both kept beating each other. The booking made sense for that story they were telling.

    That is not the case for Bayley! She's the underdog! This just doesn't work. Bad booking.
     
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  12. Un-Bo-Lievable Jeff

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    I agree that the payoff would have been bigger at WM, but Bailey's NXT title reign was basically her being the underdog and finding a way to win. Exact same story will happen going forward. It worked before and it'll probably work again.

    Not saying I think it's right, but it's WWE.

    I reckon this will lead to the fatal four way somewhere down the road. Charlotte, SB, Bailey and Nia Jax
     
  13. Navi

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    I really hope that isn't the case here. As a said before Charlotte is phenomenal not only in the ring but on the mic, Bayley since being brought up has lost some of what she had in NXT. She is still massively over, but just to sell some t-shirts is an excuse to put the title on her now, lame. People who like her will buy her stuff whether she is champ or not.

    As for Charlotte getting the title back, she has already done that thing with the lawyers once. How many times has a heel won the title with outside interference and nothing is ever said. I know heel are supposed to cheat so on and so forth, but every time a face wins it doesn't have to be clean either. Sometimes we can blur the lines a little. Bayley can argue she didn't know Sasha was even there and besides wasn't Dana Brooks out there as well helping Charlotte. Might just rule it that the title stays on Bayley because of Dana.

    Still think it was a bit early to give it too her though.
     
  14. Spidey Revivey

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    I'm probably the only person on this forum that believes the end game was never for Charlotte to go undefeated til Wrestlemania. That her streak was always meant to be broken beforehand by some plucky underdog and make no mistake, title or not Bayley is still the underdog in this rivalry. I believe Bayley was always meant to face the person she has had MOTY with over in NXT, Sasha Banks, and that Banks doesn't have to be the villain in order for it to work.

    I also don't see how logic dictates Bayley is stripped of the title due to Banks hitting Charlotte when Dana Brooke thumbed Bayley in the eye mere seconds before the incident. It's weak, and has no real place in the judicial system. So naturally I see it happening.

    Happy Bayley won. It was a feel good moment. Charlotte winning the belt back would fuck up everything nice about the transition. Bayley breaking the streak at Fastlane would give Banks plenty of reason to want to face off against her friend to see who the better wrestler is. It sells itself. It'd be fresh for Raw. Come on. Please. I beg you, WWE. It makes perfect sense.

    Wishful thinking, yeah.
     
  15. LBGetBack

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    Bayley's NXT reign took forever to happen though! She fell short time after time, was passed by by all of the 4 Horsewomen, but kept working and battling and finally got over the hump. There was little to no build here, so any underdog story seems shot already.
     
  16. Deoxyribonucleic A.C.I.D.

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    It's simple, Bayley won here tonight, so that Charlotte can keep her PPV streak going and also to add fuel to the never-ending fire of Sasha vs Charlotte. I like it.

    If we are going to question a creative desicion on the women, let's ask how in the world Naomi ends up being Women's champion with such a short build, just before Wrestlemania.
     
  17. Kodo Sawaki

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    So, Steph or Sasha screws her over on next RAW or PPV and we get new Danyel Bryan? Only problem is cant see appeal in Bayley. Danyel was believable plus in his story he had to fight, scratch and claw for every chance for title. Bayley just has to be there to get it. On top of that her promos are, urgh. That poeting is cringeworthy. Great in ring though, you cant deny her that.
     
  18. Hyorinmaru

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    One of the better feel good 'Mania moments happens on a random episode of RAW that makes sense...Not.


    I don't watch RAW for this very reason. Why they need to hot potato the Women's championship is beyond me. Charlotte has cemented herself as the best woman on RAW and nothing can change that but doing this just because her name is Flair is ******ed.

    I was looking forward to their match and 'Mania and seeing Bayley win the title for the first time and now it'll be a good match but not much more than that.
     
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    My only problem with this is that it seems like they really don't cares about the babyfaces in the raw woman's division. Yes, everytime, those girls have great matches but at the end of all of this, they are just there to make charlotte look good and when the feud is over, they are toss aside and are worst of then when they started to feud with charlotte. It happened with Sasha banks and it seem like they are repeating this process with bailey now which is a shame because bailey if protected enough, could be the John Cena of the division since her fan base is mostly kids.

    The whole point of bailey feuding with Charlotte was the chase for the title, now she won it for the first time so what's left for her to do?

    Personally, what i would love to see it's next week, you have charlotte complain to stephanie that Sasha hit her with her crouch and it should have been a dq, so she should have retain the title. Stephanie agrees but she can'T reverse the referre's decision but she can strip bayley of the title and have bailey face charlotte for the vacated title at fastlane. This way you keep the chase storyline alive and you don'T hurt bailey in the process so that when she finally overcomes everything at mania and beat charlotte clean for the title, she will get a really huge pop.
     
  20. OYDK

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    Just a bad booking decision in my opinion. Shock value is fine if it makes sense. It made sense for Sasha and Charlotte to trade the titles because they were perceived as being relative equals. Neither could get one up on the other because they were so evenly matched. That story arc makes little sense when it comes to Bayley/Charlotte. Bayley's the ultimate underdog... that's her character. Charlotte has basically been saying for weeks that Bayley isn't in her league and WWE should have went with that. Charlotte should have beaten Bayley time and time again until Bayley put something big on the line for one more match at Mania. Maybe I'm armchair booking here, but that makes sense and does more for Bayley than having her win on a random ass Raw, even if she carries the title into Mania. It just seems like they completely cut this thing off at the legs right in the middle of the feud for no other reason than shock value.

    I don't know, pretty dumb in my eyes.
     
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    I am okay with this, but with two huge problems.

    1. Why in the blue hell did this happen on RAW. Seriously, Mania is 6 weeks away. Just have Charlotte play keepings off. There is no need to have a Women's title match at Fastlane. Or you could easily have had a tag match or something. This would have been 10x larger at Mania.

    2. I would have much preferred Bayley to win clean. I know that Sasha was only there to level the playing field, but I would much rather have had her take out Dana Brooke and had Bayley fight here way out of the F8 and have won on her own. Sasha hitting Charlotte took a little off the end of that for me.
     
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    It was a great moment and a great match but at this point, this silly streak of Charlotte's has done more harm than good to the entire division. Constantly we hear about this amazing streak and yet, all the important stuff ends up happening on Raw. It's great for Bayley, Wrestlemania would've been better but this is fine. But it's gonna be problematic if the title is switched back.
     
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    Bayley winning the women's title is awesome...but like Dean Ambrose winning the WWE title and Sasha Banks winning the women's title, it doesn't feel as awesome as it should be. On paper, the story between Bayley and Charlotte is great, but the execution has been horrible. On NXT, Bayley could never beat Charlotte, and when Bayley finally beat her, it was awesome, a conclusion to a great story, but here on the main roster, she's constantly beating Charlotte, so the win last night doesn't feel as impactful. Also add the fact that this was on TV, this should have been saved for Mania. Charlotte's PPV undefeated streak is a joke, it makes no sense, it could be awesome if they mention it all the time, but they almost don't, i don't remember a moment when it was mentioned on the Royal Rumble. It's an undefeated streak that has no merit, and it's ruining the women's division on Raw, look at what it did to Sasha Banks. It also doesn't help that we know that Bayley is just gonna drop the title back to Char on Fastlane, so the win ain't gonna last for long. I love that Charlotte is being backed up by the WWE machine, she's earned it, but this obsession of giving Charlotte short title runs with the women's title is ruining the credibility of the women's title, and our enjoyment of Charlotte.
     
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    Very confused by this. I was happy for Bayley, but why would they waste such a potentially big moment on a random episode of Raw? Bayley's first main roster Women's Championship win was a moment big enough for Wrestlemania, or at the very least Summerslam. It will take a long time before an opportunity for another moment as potentially big as that presents itself. WWE made a big mistake there. Charlotte's going to win the title back at Fastlane and that is honestly the better option. Why have Bayley end Charlotte's PPV streak at the most useless PPV brand they have? Again, big enough for Wrestlemania. I'd like to think WWE has something good planned though having Bayley win when she did was quite an odd decision.
     
  25. BestSportsEntertainer

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    I'm a bigi Bayley fan. She's my favorite woman wrestler in WWE today.

    However I couldn't care less about her title win because we all know Charlotte will win the title back at Fastlane.

    The Sasha vs Charlotte feud destroyed the Raw women's division. The formula of "Charlotte loses on Raw, wins on the next PPV" has killed any interest I had. Most people really loved their feud, but I hated it because it devalued the title and division so much. How long has it been since we had a face women's champion on Raw for an extended period of time? If I remember correctly, it's been at least 2 years. Charlotte has been champion over a year (though she was face for a couple of months), and she won the title off Nikki, who was also champion for over a year.

    Also can we not wait until WrestleMania? What happened to ending feuds at the biggest PPV of the year? This would be like Undertaker losing to Bray Wyatt on some random episode of Raw during the WM31 build. Okay that's fine, but who cares? You're gonna lose at WM and didn't end the actual streak. Same situation here. Bayley/Sasha wins the title on Raw and loses at the next PPV. It's just bad booking and boring.
     

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