Six wrestlers (past and present) I have little time for

[d_henderson1810]

Here is a list of wrestlers, who I don't really like, and think that are selfish, put themselves before the company they work for, and I actually like to see lose.

I will count them down from 6 to one:-

6. "Stone Cold" Steve Austin.

He is only sixth, because there are some things I respect him for as well. I really enjoyed his heel turn in 2001, and think that being able to transition from a technical style to a brawling style, and still producing good matches, means that he is a darn good worker.

However, I don't like how he treats women. I don't like how he walked out of WWE when he didn't get his own way. I didn't like how he buried some guys, and I didn't like how he skipped the two most important "Raw" episodes in years (the 20th Anniversary and the 1000th episode). He could have at least sent a video message congratulating Raw on the milestone, and thanking fans for supporting Raw and making him the biggest thing on it in its history.

Also, I don't like how many fans defend his actions all the time, not matter how reprehensible (e.g. fans cheering when Austin once gave Stacy Keibler a Stunner, one month after pleading no-contest to spousal abuse against Debra).

5. Bret Hart.

Again, an awesome worker, and his legacy is to be respected. Also, loves how he endorses new talent, such as Sami Zahn, and also gave support to Alberto Del Rio one night before his PPV match.

However, he is also one of the biggest "Woe is me" crybabies in history. This is a man who sooked up about losing his title at SS '97, and threatened never to return, when he was leaving anyway, and for someone who bagged others (e.g. HBK) for playing politics and not doing the job, showed himself a hypocrite by doing the exact same thing.

I also don't like that Bret came back,(which he said that he would never do, thus making him a liar as well as a hypocrite and whiner), tail between his legs, saying that he forgave everyone, but still, once in a while, stills sticks the boots in, such as saying that Triple H was a dud, out of spite than out of any sort of cold, hard evidence.

4. Goldberg

I used to be a mark for Bill Goldberg, until I read a five-page interview with him, where I lost total respect for the guy. In it, he wished Scott Hall dead, said that he only had respect for a handful of wrestlers, and hates the rest. Also, he paid out on Vince McMahon and everything he ever did, and how he would never work for him.

Expect that he did. Goldberg, the sell-out, the hypocrite, joined WWE in 2003. Always sniffing a buck, he joined Vince's group.

Also, I don't like that Goldberg hates wrestling, and only does it because he needed a job after his football career ended, and DDP twisted his arm to do it. Goldberg always acted like wrestling was beneath him.

3. C.M. Punk.

One of the most ungrateful, whiny bitches in wrestling history. He makes Bret Hart look appreciative.

This guy comes from ROH, struts around like he owns the place, held WWE to ransom in 2011, when he threatened to jump unless he won the title at MITB. He re-signs, and complains the entire time. He didn't show any respect backstage to those who pay his wage, and then he walks out, with five months left on his contract, because he wanted to be shoehorned in the Wrestlemania main-event, which already had Orton, Batista and Bryan in it.

Also, his behavior on tours was vile, and he insulted fans in the crowd at shows, even telling a young boy that he had a "vagina". Punk is ungrateful. WWE made him a household name, and rich for life, and all he pays them back with is disrespect and bitterness. Then he forces his wife, A.J. to take sides, and quit WWE as well, while she was still the most saleable Diva in the WWE at the time. What a douchebag!

2. Brock Lesnar.

Another "entitled" piece of crap. Never has one wrestler been given the world, and then paid back that opportunity by quitting on short notice, to pursue a failed football career no less.

Then, he embarrasses WWE further by joining UFC, who is a "sorta" rival to professional wrestler, and fights real fights, thus highlighting that he is legit, and professional wrestling is "fake" fighting.

He then returns, but not on Vince's terms, oh no. Vince bends over and lets Brock and Paul (Paul Heyman, who is the last person who should be managing your finances) financially and creatively sodomize him. Brock gets given more rewards, such as ending the Streak, and yet only shows up when he can be bothered, and takes maximum money for minimum output. There are guys and girls in the locker room who spend most days travelling and wrestling, often in pain, and yet only achieve half of what Brock gets, who doesn't do house shows, and only blows in when there is a huge payday.

It seems that Vince doesn't run WWE, or neither does Triple H. Brock and Paul run WWE, and take what they want, even keeping the WWE belt off TV for months.

1. The Honky Tonk Man.

All the other guys, up until now, have one thing in common. Despite my criticisms of them, they had a point being in wrestling. I am glad that each of the five I mentioned were in wrestling, as they had things to offer, but just wish they were more grateful or did some things better.

But Honky Tonk is different. I don't hate on Honky Tonk because he did bad things. No. At least most of the others had abilities that warranted them getting pushed, it was just that they overrated their own importance. But HTM is the least DESERVING champion in history because he flat-out sucked.

Firstly, he beat my favourite all time wrestler, Ricky Steamboat, for the IC belt. Now, Steamboat should have lost it to anyone else in the company. I wouldn't have liked it, but if Jake Roberts, Million Dollar Man, or even Savage again had it, I would cope.

But when it came to Honky Tonk Man, to quote Bray Wyatt's words to Roman Reigns "Anyone But You".

My favourite wrestler not only had a short title reign, but lost to the most talentless joke of a wrestler in the company. Not only that, but this talentless joke held the IC belt longer than Austin, Rock, HBK, Bret Hart, Mr Perfect, Randy Savage etc. In fact, the second most important belt in WWF was held longer by a Elvis-impersonating comedy act than any other man in history. What a disgrace. He didn't even win his matches clean, and yet held the belt for eighteen months.

Also, this guy got his breaks because he was friends with Hogan and Jimmy Hart, friends with the Harts, and his cousin was Jerry Lawler. This gave him stroke backstage, and never has that stroke been wasted on someone so untalented and undeserving. Besides, his pinning of Steamboat by holding the rope to win the IC belt still makes me angry thirty years later. No talent, poor stickwork, and a hackneyed comedy act, which desecrated the IC belt, which will never recover until someone with talent holds it longer. I hope it happens soon, and then HTM can be forgotten forever.

 

[Savior of Silence]

So much fucking stupid in this post. Let's break it down.

6. "Stone Cold" Steve Austin.

I don't like how he walked out of WWE when he didn't get his own way

They wanted Austin to lose clean to a debuting rookie in Brock Lesnar on FREE TELEVISION. Austin had no problem losing to Lesnar, he just saw money in it and didn't agree with having to do it on free tv. If you listen to anything else he's ever said though, that wasn't the only reason he left. He is quoted as saying "Obviously WWF had spent a lot of money getting me into this position. I busted my ass getting myself in this position. Guys that draw stupid money don’t just happen overnight. So now all of a sudden you want me to do a job for a guy, now I love Brock Lesnar and he’s a monster, and as soon as he walked in the door everybody saw massive potential in the guy, but for me to do a job for him without any kind of buildup? A match but no two or three weeks talking about it? A pay per view match is what it was." He goes on to hint at having a drinking problem around that time too.

5. Bret Hart.

...and for someone who bagged others (e.g. HBK) for playing politics and not doing the job, showed himself a hypocrite by doing the exact same thing.

I also don't like that Bret came back, tail between his legs, saying that he forgave everyone, but still, once in a while, stills sticks the boots in, such as saying that Triple H was a dud, out of spite than out of any sort of cold, hard evidence.

Bret Hart refused to lose to Shawn because Shawn refused to lose to him. He also said that he WOULD put Shawn over if he put him over first to show that he was mature enough to do business properly. Bret got fucked over and it's small minded of you to think there won't always be a little bit of resentment there.

4. Goldberg

Expect that he did. Goldberg, the sell-out, the hypocrite, joined WWE in 2003. Always sniffing a buck with that Jewish nose of his, he joined Vince's group.

God, I can't believe you're going to make me defend Goldberg. I hate him too but you can't blame him for coming to WWE because he wanted to get paid. Money makes the world go round motherfucker. Get with the program.

More importantly however, we have to touch on your blatant racism. Was that really necessary? I'm willing to take the infraction for flaming when I say that I hope you die in a fire.

3. C.M. Punk.

One of the most ungrateful, whiny bitches in wrestling history. He makes Bret Hart look appreciative.

...when he threatened to jump unless he won the title at MITB. He re-signs, and complains the entire time. He didn't show any respect backstage to those who pay his wage, and then he walks out, with five months left on his contract, because he wanted to be shoehorned in the Wrestlemania main-event, which already had Orton, Batista and Bryan in it.

Also, his behavior on tours was vile, and he insulted fans in the crowd at shows, even telling a young boy that he had a "vagina". Punk is ungrateful. WWE made him a household name, and rich for life, and all he pays them back with is disrespect and bitterness. Then he forces his wife, A.J. to take sides, and quit WWE as well, while she was still the most saleable Diva in the WWE at the time. What a douchebag!

This is where the brunt of the fucking stupid is in your post. Where to start...

Punk didn't threaten to quit unless he won the title. He was burned out on the business and wasn't having fun anymore. He wanted to change the business and bring it back to the mainstream prominence that it once held but was unable to "break through the glass ceiling." Joey Mercury is actually credited with changing Punk's mind when he told him "you can't change anything from your couch."

He didn't walk out on the company because he wasn't in the main event of Wrestlemania. He left because he was burned out, and saw that Daniel Bryan wasn't going to be in the main event of Wrestlemania. Oh and there was that little issue of the staph infection that could have possibly taken his life...but why should that matter? You're right, he should have died in the ring because you're a needy cunt.

Did you really chastise Punk for telling a kid he has a vagina IMMEDIATELY after making a racist comment about Goldberg? Get fuckin' real son.

SHOW ME PROOF THAT HE FORCED HIS WIFE TO QUIT THE COMPANY. Oh, you can't? Then keep the conjecture out of your already failed arguments.

2. Brock Lesnar.

Another "entitled" piece of crap. Never has one wrestler been given the world, and then paid back that opportunity byquitting on short notice, to pursue a failed football career no less.

Then, he embarrasses WWE further by joining UFC, who is a "sorta" rival to professional wrestler, and fights real fights, thus highlighting that he is legit, and professional wrestling is "fake" fighting.

Brock gets given more rewards, such as ending the Streak

Lesnar didn't quit, nor did he leave on short notice. He just didn't re-sign with the company. He also didn't embarrass the WWE by joining UFC. If anything, he brought more attention to the company by joining and even more by returning to WWE after having been legitimized. And you're still harping on about the streak? Even Jericho and Edge have said that Lesnar is the only person who could have believably ended the streak...not to mention the fact that Undertaker wouldn't have lost that match if he didn't want to.

All in all, you should shut the fuck up. Good talk bro.

 

[Navi]

Also, this guy got his breaks because he was friends with Hogan and Jimmy Hart, friends with the Harts, and his cousin was Jerry Lawler. This gave him stroke backstage, and never has that stroke been wasted on someone so untalented and undeserving. Besides, his pinning of Steamboat by holding the rope to win the IC belt still makes me angry thirty years later. No talent, poor stickwork, and a hackneyed comedy act, which desecrated the IC belt, which will never recover until someone with talent holds it longer. I hope it happens soon, and then HTM can be forgotten forever.

You of course are entitled to an opinion of who you like or don't like. But with all due respect, most of your opinions aren't based on what they've done in the ring but what's happened in their personal lives, or based on backstage stories which may be true or not.

Oh and I won't even begin to touch the racist comment about Goldberg. I'm sure someone else will pick up on that.

And quite honestly if something like the Honkey Tonk Man winning the IC title 30 years ago still bothers you today, then sir maybe you'd better find something else to watch.

He won the title and he will not be forgotten.

 

[HBKperfect23]

I don't hate the list as much as everyone else does. I think the OP does make some good points.

I'm a huge Bret fan but he comes off as arrogant and someone who has a hard time admitting wrong CM Punk is another one. Huge fan, started watching again because he caught my interest in the summer of punk but he just seems like a complete douchbag.

 

[EC MF'N W]

A few times in this post you mentioned a sense of entitlement and hypocrisy but you seem to be guilty of both. You speak as if once one of these people step into the ring they owe you something. They owe you nothing, they are out there to make a living just as we are in our workplace. To rag on someone for following their dreams into football or the ufc and not staying around in a place they weren't happy in a bussiness they don't love is ignorant.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

If somebody's not a fan of any or all of the wrestlers on the OP's list, more power to you. As has been pointed out though, the reasons the OP dislikes these wrestlers seems to be based more on the fact that, surprise-surprise, they're not saints and don't behave as though they are in their personal lives. However, in some situations, I do agree with some of what's been said.

In Austin's case, while nobody's perfect, there's no defending the actions of a guy who beats his wife. If she'd been attacking him with a weapon of some sort and he had to defend himself, that might be a different story, but that wasn't the case. However, Austin was highly entertaining back in the day and I enjoyed his work, so admitting that isn't a defense of his actions in his personal life.
As far as Goldberg goes, I was never a fan of the guy. Talent-wise, I think he's among the most overrated of the past 20 years and he definitely didn't have love for wrestling. However, at the same time, I can't hold that completely against him because WCW was willing to pay the guy a ton of money knowing all that in the first place. I also can't blame the guy for trying to get as much as he could while he could, especially if someone was dumb enough to pay him what he was asking, because just about anyone in his place would do the same thing; after all, the promoters weren't gonna pay his bills for him and take are of him if he got crippled. Maybe if he no showed a bunch of events and essentially tried to hold promoters hostage, it'd be a different story.

As far as Brock Lesnar is concerned, the guy has no real passion for anything and never really has. It's always been about trying to get as much money for as little actual work as possible but, then again, that's a smart approach and if people are foolish enough to pay out obscene amounts of money for such little work, then more power to him. As far as how he behaves, or is alleged to behave in his personal life, the guy sounds like a complete horse's ass, an unapologetic horse's ass at that. My biggest complaint about Lesnar is that there are times in which he's downright reckless, the latest example of which coming about last week on Raw after a fan was hit by shrapnel from the car door he tossed; thankfully, the fan wasn't hurt but it was a potential powder keg that could've blown up in WWE's face. To my knowledge, Lesnar didn't even take it upon himself to go backstage to personally check on the fan as he/she was being evaluated to apologize or anything, so yeah that's pretty low class in my eyes. If something like that happened involving anyone but the top 2 to 5% of the roster, they'd either be buried, suspended or fired. One thing about Lesnar is that the guy does deliver memorable moments and has been involved in some of the most talked about matches in WWE over the past several years.

As for the Honky Tonk Man, I have to pretty much agree with most of the entire statement. While HTM has the claim to fame of being the longest reigning Intercontinental Champion in history, the length of his run didn't amount to quality in my opinion. He wasn't that good of a wrestler, he didn't have a good look and his gimmick was that of an Elvis impersonator. If he debuted in WWE today exactly as he was circa 1986, fans would laugh the guy out of the building.

 

[Headman]

The only thing on the OPs list I absolutely must disagree with his HTM. Honkey Tonk Man was awesome. The fact that you've still got heat with the man's wrestling persona shows why he was such an over heel. I understand not liking Austin because he actually did beat his wife. I also understand your issues with Bret and Punk. Punk especially.

 

[chicagokmc]

Going on a 6 paragraph rant on why you have no use for the Honkey Tonk Man is probably giving HTM more relevance than he's gotten in years...

 

[BestSportsEntertainer]

Ok, we get it. There are some guys you don't like. I actually agree with some of your points, but you also make some points I don't agree with.

Austin left because he refused to lose to Lesnar on TV. He thought it was PPV worthy.

Shawn was a douche backstage. It's understandable why Bret didn't want to lose the belt to him.

Do you really think John Cena should have defeated CM Punk... for the WWE Title... in Chicago? The crowd would have gotten hostile. Punk was looking out for Cena's safety.

If you worked hard 52 weeks a year and got passed up for someone who hasn't been in WWE for 4 years, wouldn't you be a little pissed?

Insulting the fans at live events is just a heel move. He did it to get heat.

Maybe Punk did influence A.J.'s decision, but I think he was looking out for A.J. WWE would have misused her due to Punk walking out.

Lesnar is a huge draw for WWE. His re-signing got a ton of media coverage.

My advice, which goes beyond pro wrestling, is that everyone has their problems. We have to look beyond those problems and see the good in people. Austin was one of the most popular wrestlers of all time (tie with Hogan). CM Punk was probably the second best wrestler of the PG Era (behind Cena). Everyone on the list has done great things for the pro wrestling business.

 

[The Brain]

I don't hate the list as much as everyone else does. I think the OP does make some good points.

Good points? I guess, except they're the same points that have been brought up countless times over the years. A couple things I'd like to address.

1. People are allowed to change their minds, especially after many years. The OP calls both Bret Hart and Bill Goldberg hypocrites because they said they would never work for WWE and eventually did. Bret was upset about Montreal for years. He finally decided to let his anger go to try to live a happier life. Should be fault him for that? Would it be more admirable if he carried the grudge to his grave? As for Goldberg, that leads me to #2.

2. Working for WWE is a job. It is a way to make a living. It would be nice if everyone had a fairy tale story about how they grew up loving wrestling and are now living their dream. Some guys are just working for a paycheck and there is nothing wrong with that. I'm certainly not living my dream at my job. I'm doing it to get paid. Bill Goldberg and Brock Lesnar were/are valuable people in the wrestling world and deserve an opportunity to make a living in wrestling even if they didn't grow up idolizing Superstar Billy Graham. I have been very critical of Goldberg over the years for not appreciating the spot he got but he did deserve it.

3. Honky Tonk Man. He didn't seem to fit on this list compared to the others. I thought for sure it was going to be Shawn Michaels. The OP is upset because someone he didn't like beat his favorite wrestler for a title. I felt the same way at the time. I was seven years old. I hated the Honky Tonk Man at the time. 28 years later I look back fondly on HTM and his title reign. He was a heat magnet in 1987. He did a great job with the title and the fans hatred for him helped make both Randy Savage and The Ultimate Warrior become so popular. If you hate HTM because he was a heel and he beat the popular Ricky Steamboat for the title, so be it. It just seems a little unfair to include him this list that criticizes people for their personal behavior outside of the ring. Although the list kind of sucks anyway so I guess it doesn't matter.

 

[MC_Live]

There's not much I can add to this that other's haven't said. The OP is just a straight up moron. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. At all. I mean, I can poke a hole in nearly any point you made. Going on those rants and just angrily spewing stuff out there without knowing the real facts just invalidates everything you say.

I don't even know what I want to talk about first. First of all, you hate on Bret Hart for holding a grudge, and then hate on him more for getting over it and returning? You also have no proof to say that Punk forced AJ to quit. Not to mention, although it would have been nice to see at least a video from Austin on RAW 1000 or the 20th anniversary, he didn't need to. He has a life to live after wrestling. God forbid any wrestler have other parts to who they are, instead of just slaving themselves and abusing their bodies for your entertainment.

Seriously dude, if you wanna talk, try being not only more positive, but more correct. You obviously don't have a clue how any of the wrestling business works, so maybe you should go study up on the business before going bat shit crazy on it.

 

[legendkiller1979]

I have to say that I'm surprised. It's not that this list is good or bad, is irrelevant. I can't believe how many people have commented to tear it down. I'll be honest, I didn't read it. I glanced at it to see who was on the list. This thread is nothing more than some douche bag who is bored and trying desperately to sound smart. Nothing good is going to come from topics like this. This guy's opinion is irrelevant and is being torn apart because of it. I'm not sure what this topic was supposed to accomplish. It's just some little troll with nothing to do wanting to be heard on a topic that nobody cares about.

 

[Cats Pajamas]

I think you're being a little unfair, you are condemning six people for playing backstage politics despite that being a big part of the game in the wrestling biz. It was how pro wrasslers made ass loads of money in a time when pro wrassling was cool enough to do that. Most successful wrestlers from the 80s and 90s have someone who will tell you a shitty story about them. Besides, you added Hart, but not HBK! In the immortal words of Gregory Helms, "What's up with that??"

The wrestling biz has plenty of drunks, abusers, deadbeats, maniacs (*cough* Scott Steiner *cough*), murderers, liars, backstabbers, thieves, X-Pac, and even a guy who recklessly gave someone Hep-C, but instead you just named a few people you thought were doodooheads. I'm not mad at you, just disappointed.

 

[Christian Faith]

Personally I'd love to see this guy tell Brock Lesnar to his face that he's "a worthless piece of crap"....


Bret Hart was entitled to feel pissed off. He was legit screwed after years of loyalty to Vince Mcmahon. HBK had previously refused to drop the belt back to him after he'd put him over at Mania 12 and went as far as to fake injury and vacate the title. However time is a healer, Shawn is a changed man and neither of them (nor Vince) are getting any younger. Would it not have been a lot worse had one of them died without ever making peace?

CM Punk is a whinger granted but I do kind of see where he's coming from. He held the WWE title for 400 something days, despite this he was still treated as though he was a mid card talent then he's forced to drop the title to a part timer who had already main evented the previous year then went on to do so again. He then had to sit back and watch as a man who had been away from the business for 4 years return and win the Rumble and also be thrust into the Mania main event. I'm not exactly a huge Punk fan but I can see why he was pissed off.

There is no proof Punk made AJ quit nor did her career suffer after she married Punk. Most Diva's average 5 years or so anyway.

Goldberg actually seems a nice guy with fans etc. It wasn't his fault WCW were throwing money at him in a desperate attempt to make him their version of Stone Cold Steve Austin. And he didn't enjoy working for WWE. That's his choice. At least unlike a lot of Wrestlers he hasn't blown all of his money and come crawling back broke and out of shape.

Austin did admit to domestic violence and I cannot condone that at all. However he had a point about not wishing to waste a Lesnar/Austin match on free TV with no build up.

If you're still pissed with HTM more than 20 years later then he has done his job as a heel.

 

[Messiah]

Your comments about CM Punk is spot on, he's a whiny little bitch who never shuts up, and doesn't have the balls to act on anything he says. CM Punk might be the only guy in the business who i have absolutely no respect for, maybe AJ to but for completely different reasons.. AJ probably left on her own terms, she was getting boring and there was no reason for her to stick around. It's not like people will miss her.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

"I have little time for". Meow, girlfriend. That's the kind of in yo face language that I usually see reserved for Taylor Swift songs.

BTW, which of these guys have been requesting your time? Did Brock call you to help him move his old couch? Is Punk looking for you to help him with his taxes? Did Goldberg invite you to his son's Bar Mitzvah (nevermind, your bigoted comment about Jews tells me enough)?

Anyway, congrats you bitched about people. WZ Forums needs views and replies and this thread will generate it's share. I'm not sure what to discuss. I'm not a fan of some of the guys you listed for the same and other reasons. However there does seem to be some stuff that has already been pointed that goes from unfounded to totally made up. You just come off sounding like an angry twat.

Sorry, I meant angry bigoted twat.

 

[d_henderson1810]

So much fucking stupid in this post. Let's break it down.




They wanted Austin to lose clean to a debuting rookie in Brock Lesnar on FREE TELEVISION. Austin had no problem losing to Lesnar, he just saw money in it and didn't agree with having to do it on free tv. If you listen to anything else he's ever said though, that wasn't the only reason he left. He is quoted as saying "Obviously WWF had spent a lot of money getting me into this position. I busted my ass getting myself in this position. Guys that draw stupid money don’t just happen overnight. So now all of a sudden you want me to do a job for a guy, now I love Brock Lesnar and he’s a monster, and as soon as he walked in the door everybody saw massive potential in the guy, but for me to do a job for him without any kind of buildup? A match but no two or three weeks talking about it? A pay per view match is what it was." He goes on to hint at having a drinking problem around that time too.




Bret Hart refused to lose to Shawn because Shawn refused to lose to him. He also said that he WOULD put Shawn over if he put him over first to show that he was mature enough to do business properly. Bret got fucked over and it's small minded of you to think there won't always be a little bit of resentment there.



God, I can't believe you're going to make me defend Goldberg. I hate him too but you can't blame him for coming to WWE because he wanted to get paid. Money makes the world go round motherfucker. Get with the program.

More importantly however, we have to touch on your blatant racism. Was that really necessary? I'm willing to take the infraction for flaming when I say that I hope you die in a fire.




This is where the brunt of the fucking stupid is in your post. Where to start...

Punk didn't threaten to quit unless he won the title. He was burned out on the business and wasn't having fun anymore. He wanted to change the business and bring it back to the mainstream prominence that it once held but was unable to "break through the glass ceiling." Joey Mercury is actually credited with changing Punk's mind when he told him "you can't change anything from your couch."

He didn't walk out on the company because he wasn't in the main event of Wrestlemania. He left because he was burned out, and saw that Daniel Bryan wasn't going to be in the main event of Wrestlemania. Oh and there was that little issue of the staph infection that could have possibly taken his life...but why should that matter? You're right, he should have died in the ring because you're a needy cunt.

Did you really chastise Punk for telling a kid he has a vagina IMMEDIATELY after making a racist comment about Goldberg? Get fuckin' real son.

SHOW ME PROOF THAT HE FORCED HIS WIFE TO QUIT THE COMPANY. Oh, you can't? Then keep the conjecture out of your already failed arguments.



Lesnar didn't quit, nor did he leave on short notice. He just didn't re-sign with the company. He also didn't embarrass the WWE by joining UFC. If anything, he brought more attention to the company by joining and even more by returning to WWE after having been legitimized. And you're still harping on about the streak? Even Jericho and Edge have said that Lesnar is the only person who could have believably ended the streak...not to mention the fact that Undertaker wouldn't have lost that match if he didn't want to.

All in all, you should shut the fuck up. Good talk bro.

Firstly, I actually agree with Austin not wanting to do a free match against Brock on "Raw". It would make more money on PPV, and moreover, Austin may have not wanted to risk his neck against the clumsy Brock, who is known for dropping people on their head.

However, that doesn't justify Austin WALKING OUT! That is the problem I have. He should have stayed, said his piece and maybe even refused to do the match. What is Vince going to do, fire him? Austin had enough stroke to get his own way without leaving. It just made him look unprofessional, and it deprived the fans of seeing him every week.

Also, when he quit, it was an hour before Raw, when he was in the middle of a major program. Ric Flair had just lost a match to Austin, and had to be his servant. Also, Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit, two guys Austin hand-picked to feud with, because he wanted fresh opponents, were sent to Raw from Smackdown, and Austin was set to fight Guerrrero at KOTR, (since they had a build to a feud). I would not even be surprised if Austin was set to lose the match on Raw to Brock, because Eddie cost Austin the match, making them fight at KOTR. Benoit was set to interfere, and then it would be Austin v Benoit for three months, and then Flair would turn on Austin, and feud with him. But Austin left, Flair had to replace him at KOTR against Eddie (and go face for no reason) and eventually Benoit and Guerrero went back to SD, deprived of the main event program which would have elevated them (without the use of steroids, which is how they eventually got their push).

2. My point on Bret is that, he was quick to point out the speck on other's eyes, and not notice the massive log in his own eye. So Bret condemns Shawn's politics by doing it himself. Yeah, that showed HBK. How did that work out for Bret, BTW?

Bret just needed to pull his self-righteous head in, that's all.

3. Sure, there is nothing wrong with getting paid. But Goldberg's body language, and his demeanour made it obvious that he didn't care about what he was doing in WWE. He should have at least made a go of it. Besides, I wouldn't make the so-called racist comment if he didn't live up so much to the stereotype.

4. No, Punk wanted out in 2011, BEFORE HE GOT INJURED. He was going to leave the night of MITB 2011, and the storyline of him leaving was real (except that he re-signed the day before MITB, and was promised the title, which he won).

So, he had to be talked into staying the first time, and only stayed because he made a laundry list of demands. The "infection" story came later, but he left because he never got to main-event Wrestlemania, which was one of his numerous demands. So he left because when he said jump, Vince didn't say "How high?"

So you justify Punk making a sexual remark to a child, do you? You didn't condemn it. Don't try to act so outraged about a perceived racial comment, but have no problem with a wrestler making sexual references to a child.

Also, as for A.J. leaving, do the math. She was on top of the world, and wasn't been held down (since she got a match at Wrestlemania 31). How do you know Punk didn't demand that A.J. stay home. She doesn't seem like the type of chick who would stand up against a dominant man, so it wouldn't surprise me. Stop being a C.M. Punk mark.

 

[d_henderson1810]

Ok, we get it. There are some guys you don't like. I actually agree with some of your points, but you also make some points I don't agree with.

Austin left because he refused to lose to Lesnar on TV. He thought it was PPV worthy.

Shawn was a douche backstage. It's understandable why Bret didn't want to lose the belt to him.

Do you really think John Cena should have defeated CM Punk... for the WWE Title... in Chicago? The crowd would have gotten hostile. Punk was looking out for Cena's safety.

If you worked hard 52 weeks a year and got passed up for someone who hasn't been in WWE for 4 years, wouldn't you be a little pissed?

Insulting the fans at live events is just a heel move. He did it to get heat.

Maybe Punk did influence A.J.'s decision, but I think he was looking out for A.J. WWE would have misused her due to Punk walking out.

Lesnar is a huge draw for WWE. His re-signing got a ton of media coverage.

My advice, which goes beyond pro wrestling, is that everyone has their problems. We have to look beyond those problems and see the good in people. Austin was one of the most popular wrestlers of all time (tie with Hogan). CM Punk was probably the second best wrestler of the PG Era (behind Cena). Everyone on the list has done great things for the pro wrestling business.

Austin shouldn't have walked out though. No matter how right or wrong he was, walking out is petulant and unprofessional.

I think Vince should have sued Austin for breach of contract for walking out. Let's see Austin coming back to avoid a lawsuit then, when he needed WWE's money to survive (as his wrestling career was winding down).

As for Bret, two wrongs don't make a right. When Bret refused to job in Montreal, he didn't just lose his title, but his high moral ground as well.

No, Punk should have won. That was a awesome match, and awesome scene when Punk won. But I think Cena can look after himself, and doesn't need Punk to "protect" him against the crowd (I would back Cena in a fight against a disgruntled audience member).

Punk isn't OWED a WM main event. However, I actually think he should have been in the Rock v Cena match last year, and make it a Triple-Threat, as it would have made sense to be in that main event instead of being shoehorned into a match where WWE had already caved by putting Daniel Bryan in when they didn't want to. If Punk was in that match, it would have been at Bryan's expense, not Batista's.

 

[d_henderson1810]

Personally I'd love to see this guy tell Brock Lesnar to his face that he's "a worthless piece of crap"....


Bret Hart was entitled to feel pissed off. He was legit screwed after years of loyalty to Vince Mcmahon. HBK had previously refused to drop the belt back to him after he'd put him over at Mania 12 and went as far as to fake injury and vacate the title. However time is a healer, Shawn is a changed man and neither of them (nor Vince) are getting any younger. Would it not have been a lot worse had one of them died without ever making peace?

CM Punk is a whinger granted but I do kind of see where he's coming from. He held the WWE title for 400 something days, despite this he was still treated as though he was a mid card talent then he's forced to drop the title to a part timer who had already main evented the previous year then went on to do so again. He then had to sit back and watch as a man who had been away from the business for 4 years return and win the Rumble and also be thrust into the Mania main event. I'm not exactly a huge Punk fan but I can see why he was pissed off.

There is no proof Punk made AJ quit nor did her career suffer after she married Punk. Most Diva's average 5 years or so anyway.

Goldberg actually seems a nice guy with fans etc. It wasn't his fault WCW were throwing money at him in a desperate attempt to make him their version of Stone Cold Steve Austin. And he didn't enjoy working for WWE. That's his choice. At least unlike a lot of Wrestlers he hasn't blown all of his money and come crawling back broke and out of shape.

Austin did admit to domestic violence and I cannot condone that at all. However he had a point about not wishing to waste a Lesnar/Austin match on free TV with no build up.

If you're still pissed with HTM more than 20 years later then he has done his job as a heel.

Brock would never fight me because:-

(1) he won't get paid for it
(2) it would require him getting off his fat ass and showing up to the actual fight, and he can't be bothered doing that for WWE most of the time.