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Franchize1990

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Well as we all know by now, the Indianapolis Colts lost last night to the New York Jets 29-15. The debate of the day is whether or not Indy coach Jim Caldwell made the right decision by pulling most of his starters with five and a half minutes and only a five point lead and not putting them back in after they gave up the lead. After Manning and company were benched, the offense went on to turnover the ball two time and manage only 34 yards of total offense I believe. The defense faired no better as they gave up an amazing 19 points in a little over 20 minutes. The whole philosphy of professional teams sitting their stars after clinching the number one seed due to fear of injury has been around since I can remember in every sport. The question I pose to you is do you agree with benching your stars in order to get rested for the playoffs?

For me personally, it would depend on the situation. If I was in Caldwell's shoes last night, I would've played my guys until I had at least a 14 point lead going into the fourth quarter. If one of my stars has shown that he was injury prone, then I would pull him no questions asked.

Thoughts?
 
As far as the Colts go, they should've defiantly WENT for the perfect season. Opportunities like that don't come along very often, and it's a chance to immortalize yourself in history. I don't care what came out of Peyton's mouth. You could tell by his, and all the other starter's body language, that they still wanted to play.

Now, if you're not going for the perfect season, then I think it would be smart to limit your stars playing time, as the season winds down. I say limit because I think it's very important you have your key players go into the post season with some kind of momentum. Kind of similar to what they do in preseason, just let the stars get enough play time to get into some sort of a rhythm, so they can stay fresh.

Going into full rest mode, isn't always a smart idea. I remember a couple years back, when the Miami Heat did this the season after winning the championship against the Mavericks. Shaq, Wade, and others shut it down, and what happened when they went against the Bulls in the first round you ask? They were destroyed, and got swept.
 
I've said it before, I'll say it again. You're an idiot (not flaming anyone specifically, but yet everyone in general if that counts) if you think they should've gone for a so-called "perfect" record. 16-0 means jack shit if you don't win whats truly important, and thats the Superbowl.

Caldwell did the right thing. Why? Just ask yourself, while it was a chance - what would the chance had been if Peyton Manning got severely injured and forced to miss the playoffs, because he was kept in chasing some stupid, meaningless, regular season record? Would the Colts back-up QB be able to lead them to a Superbowl Championship? Doubtful.

Reggie Wayne has been playing hurt for weeks now. Hes not just their stud WR, he's also their top and mainly ONLY WR. Collie and 'The Waiter' are too inconsistent to be considered valuable. And Dallas Clark can't be the #1 guy alone. If Wayne would've injured himself even worse, they'd be royally fucked.

Now, the question is asked.. Well, why not bring your starters back once you began losing, then re-pull them once you take the lead? Name one time thats ever happened in any sport's history. One time. To the very best of my knowledge, its never EVER happened.. and the reason being is because its a disgrace, and lack of trust in your back-ups.

Yes, they're back-ups for a reason.. but NO single person should be on your 53-man roster if you don't have the slightly bit of faith and belief that he could help be a valuable member of your team and shine when the spotlight is on him. To pull your guys and bring back your "true stars" would not just be disrespectful to your own players, it'd be an embarrassment to your entire team - to show the world you ONLY trust a selective SMALL group of men. Instead of the entire TEAM.

Finally.. I reflect back on the New England Patriot's so-called perfect season and bring up this point. 18-0 looks good, right? Well, the Giants had more than 1 loss that season and still shined brighter, better and most importantly BEST, when the moment counted the most. The Superbowl. I guaran-damn-tee you, not one player, or Coach, on that New England team.. would say they'd rather go 16-0 and lose in the Superbowl, over finishing 10-6, and winning the most important thing there is to win in Football.

Whether you like the decision or not, and in the end the Colts could still lose in their first Playoff match-up, they made the right decision to NOT risk injury.. for something that's already been done.
 
I think that Caldwell made the right decision but the problem with the people agreeing with that decision thinks that Caldwell should have done it next week. 16-0 would be nice but the Patriots did that and they didn't win the one that matter. There are four scenarios I could have seen happen with the Colts....

1. Indianapolis goes 16-0 and wins the Super Bowl.

2. Indianapolis goes 14-2 or 15-1 and wins the Super Bowl.

3. Indianapolis goes 16-0 and loses in the playoffs

4. Indianapolis goes 14-2 or 15-1 and loses in the playoffs.

The first option would have been great but the second one could just as well happen. If the Colts lose in the playoffs now, would they really point back to Sunday's game and say that's the reason they lost? History has said that the Colts haven't done well when resting players but things change from year to year. So I believe Caldwell made the right decision but possibly at the wrong time.
 
I personaly would have went for perfection. IMO if youre not trying to do everything you can to win, youre not doing your job. Now I would understand if Caldwell benched his starters this week as they are facing my Bills and we have 18 guys in IR no quarterback and no oline. If the Colts back ups cant win they need to be fired
 
I've said it before, I'll say it again. You're an idiot (not flaming anyone specifically, but yet everyone in general if that counts) if you think they should've gone for a so-called "perfect" record. 16-0 means jack shit if you don't win whats truly important, and thats the Superbowl.

Well statistically speaking, going undefeated in the regular season guarantees that team a spot in the Superbowl. The '72 Dolphins went 14-0 and ended up winning the Superbowl and the '07 Patriots went 16-0 and would've won the Superbowl had it not been for David Tyree's incredible catch on third down to keep the drive alive. The Colts, on the other hand, have had consistent problems winning games when they've rested their players. Since 2005, when the Colts rested their starters, they haven't been able to make it past the Divisional Round of the playoffs let alone make it to the Superbowl.

Caldwell did the right thing. Why? Just ask yourself, while it was a chance - what would the chance had been if Peyton Manning got severely injured and forced to miss the playoffs, because he was kept in chasing some stupid, meaningless, regular season record? Would the Colts back-up QB be able to lead them to a Superbowl Championship? Doubtful.

To answer the question about the back-up QB simply he wouldn't be able to lead the team. He showed that on his first play in the game when he was unable to find anybody open and fumbled the football. But what if the o-linemen that sat on Sunday and will probably sit next week and don't have anything to do the week after come into the Divisional Round very rusty and play horridly, leading to Manning getting sacked a good amount of times and a non-existent running game, which would result in yet another early round exit for the Colts all because they didn't want to chase the record.

Reggie Wayne has been playing hurt for weeks now. Hes not just their stud WR, he's also their top and mainly ONLY WR. Collie and 'The Waiter' are too inconsistent to be considered valuable. And Dallas Clark can't be the #1 guy alone. If Wayne would've injured himself even worse, they'd be royally fucked.

Then that's fine because like I said in my previous post, if the player is hurt or has shown that he has been injury prone, then you should pull him no questions asked in order to avoid that injury.

Now, the question is asked.. Well, why not bring your starters back once you began losing, then re-pull them once you take the lead? Name one time thats ever happened in any sport's history. One time. To the very best of my knowledge, its never EVER happened.. and the reason being is because its a disgrace, and lack of trust in your back-ups.

It has happened and pretty recently too. Game 2 of the 2008 NBA Finals between the Los Angeles Lakers and the Boston Celtics. Boston was up by 24 in the 4th quarter and had most if not all of their starters on the bench when L.A. began to make a comeback. The Lakers worked the lead down to 10 with a few minutes left before the starters came back and ended up holding them off. That's beside the point because the whole Colts situation had nothing to do with trust whatsoever. I know I'm not trusting my group of back-ups to defend a 5 point lead with 20 minutes left in the game against a team of starters who are desperately trying to fight for their playoff lives. Caldwell never trusted his back-ups, he was going to sit his players regardless of the score.

Yes, they're back-ups for a reason.. but NO single person should be on your 53-man roster if you don't have the slightly bit of faith and belief that he could help be a valuable member of your team and shine when the spotlight is on him. To pull your guys and bring back your "true stars" would not just be disrespectful to your own players, it'd be an embarrassment to your entire team - to show the world you ONLY trust a selective SMALL group of men. Instead of the entire TEAM.

That's why they're the starters. Out of that 53 man roster, 22 of them get the most time because that's who the coach trusts the most to get the job done. Out of the 31 left, I believe 8 to 12 players are picked out to come into the game if somebody gets tired. So you have 21 guys who are there to fill in if the other groups are hurt and unable to play.

Finally.. I reflect back on the New England Patriot's so-called perfect season and bring up this point. 18-0 looks good, right? Well, the Giants had more than 1 loss that season and still shined brighter, better and most importantly BEST, when the moment counted the most. The Superbowl. I guaran-damn-tee you, not one player, or Coach, on that New England team.. would say they'd rather go 16-0 and lose in the Superbowl, over finishing 10-6, and winning the most important thing there is to win in Football.

But if you have the opportunity to do something that nobody has ever done, go 19-0, why not? Once again, the Pats were a fluke play away from doing just that and I would bet that they would rather replay the Superbowl with the Giants and have a shot at the perfect season over going 10-6 and winning the Superbowl.

Whether you like the decision or not, and in the end the Colts could still lose in their first Playoff match-up, they made the right decision to NOT risk injury.. for something that's already been done.

The Colts have made this decision every year they're able to and every time it has come back to hunt them where they would lose to a team that is coming in hot because they look rusty on the field.
 
First of all, I'm a Jets fan, so I would like to personally thank Jim Caldwell for giving the Jets a (Curtis) Painter for Christmas. However, I think the question of whether to rest or play starters late in the season can best be answered by the following quote, by the legendary (at least with his press conferences) Herman Edwards.

Herman Edwards said:
This is what's great about sports. This is what the greatest thing about sports is. You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win, and I don't care if you don't have any wins. You go play to win. When you start tellin' me it doesn't matter, then retire. Get out! 'Cause it matters.

Everyone knows this quote, especially the bold portion (Coors Light made one of their amazing commercials using it). He was saying it to a reporter who suggested the Jets (who were 2-5 at the time) try and tank the season to get a better draft pick. The Jets didn't tank the season, they played to win, and they finished the season 7-2, and won the division and a playoff game.

So how does this apply to the Colts (who were the in the exact opposite situation as the 2002 Jets)? It's simple. You play each game to win the game. Why do you do this? The fans in attendance (at least the 99.9% of them rooting for the Colts) paid their hard earned money to see their favorite players. You see thousands of #18, #87, and #44 jerseys. The only people there to see Curtis Painter and Hank Baskett (better known as Hugh Hefner's ex girlfriend/reality star Kendra's husband) are the families of said players. Playing these guys (especially against a top ranked defense like the Jets) is asking for trouble (or asking for a loss). By essentially telling the fans that you don't want to win, you piss them off, and maybe they won't be so enamored with the team that they would spend their money in the future to attend (especially a late season game).

Once again, I would like to thank Jim Caldwell, Bill Polian, and everyone involved for giving the Jets fans hope of making the playoffs (where anything can happen). I would also like to ask Marvin Lewis and whoever else is in charge in Cincinnati to do the same thing with Carson Palmer (who has a history of injuries) and Chad OchoCinco (because he is my favorite receiver, and I don't to see him have a crap game, which he will against the defensive MVP). The Jets can (not definitely, but can) beat the Bengals when they play everybody, but why make it a challenge, plus the teams will play again in the Wild Card round, so Cincy shouldn't try so the Jets won't know what's coming for the rematch the following week.
 

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