Should they be relocated?

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Last night, the Tampa Bay Rays, who are tied for the best record in all of baseball, had a home game against the Toronto Blue Jays, another good team despite being forth in their own division. They're almost for surely a lock to get either the Divisional title or the Wild Card title, and have had success as of late, even making the World Series just two years ago. However, here's a daunting number to show you:

23,438; 11,968

That is the attendance for the playoff bound Rays for the past two games. The two days before that, Friday and Saturday vs. rival Red Sox, they were marginally higher then the Sunday night game, but it still wasn't even 75% of the stadium's capacity filled. While some of these numbers aren't even close to as poor as what the Montreal Expos were doing in the early 00's, they aren't drawing a whole lot of fans to the games, which makes me beg the question:

Should the Tampa Bay Rays be relocated?

While I know this question may sound a bit crazy, consider this:

-Out of the 12 teams in first or second place in their division, Tampa finishes last in both average attendance and % of attendance filled for this season, currently being 23rd out of the 30 teams. San Diego is the only other playoff-bound team in the bottom 10, at number 20.
-The two years before this, in 09 where they were coming off of a WS berth and 08 when they were making their playoff push, they finished 23rd and 26th in average attendance totals, respectively.
-The team has only been around since 98, and there is a team in Florida that's had more success, the Marlins, and are receiving a new stadium sometime in the near future. Add that into the fact that the Braves are also nearby and draw somewhere near the middle of the pack.

Yes, you could say that they could just relocate the Marlins, but I'm pretty positive it's clear that they wouldn't considering they are getting a new stadium within the next 2-3 years, despite finishing even worse in the attendance figures consistently.

If the Rays were to relocate, some possible destinations could be:

Canada Many Canadians have been upset over the fact that the MLB took the Expos away from them, and this could be their chance to give it back to them. The Expos were having talks of receiving a new stadium before they were suddenly shut down, and if a winning team like the Rays were moved there they would be able to make a new stadium and their attendance would be better then what they're receiving in Tampa. I didn't specify a certain city in Canada, because there's a few places you could go with them. Montreal, Ottowa, Edmonton, or even Vancouver. However, if they were to move to one of these cities like Vancouver, realignment among the divisions would be necessary as Vancouver is, obviously, is far out west while the Rays play in the East. One setback to this would be the transition rates from US to Canadian money, but it hasn't broken the Blue Jays yet.

New Jersey Again, I'm not specifying a city, but since they do play in the East, moving up to New Jersey, just south of the Yankees and Red Sox, would help them, more then likely, sell out those games whenever they faced off with each other. The Jets and Giants are located in NJ and normally do well in attendance, and I don't think it'd be any different with the Rays.

North Carolina Carolina already has 3 of the 4 pro league teams, with the Panthers, Bobcats, and Hurricanes, and again wouldn't force the need of realignment. Carolina hasn't ever had a professional baseball team, but with both the Hurricanes and Bobcats, who also play many regular season games, their attendance averages reaches over 75% for teams that haven't had a lot of success in the past 5 years. Probably not a favorite, should they move, but Carolina is a decent sports state.

There would be other candidates, as well, like Las Vegas, who always seems to be in consideration although they'll never get a city, and Virginia, although with the nearby Orioles and Nationals not doing a whole lot in drawing that could be questionable.

However, like I said, do you think the Rays should relocate? If so, where? If no, why? Judging by their poor attendance and lack of history, I wouldn't put it out of question. There's certainly a lot of cities that are baseball hungry and would welcome them in with open arms. It's just sad to see a great, young team like these Rays draw numbers that the Mariners would laugh at.
 
I’m sure there are a lot of legal and financial reasons why the Rays moving is probably not an option, but for the arguments you’ve posted I think the Rays moving out of Tampa would probably be a good thing. Florida just doesn’t seem to be a good place for baseball. I don’t know if people are just into football down there or aren’t really into sports in general but neither the Marlins nor the Rays draw very well. I think there are a few cities/states that would welcome a major league baseball team.

I think Carolina is at the top of the list. As you said the other three sports are represented there and if I’m not mistaken they all are less than 20 years old. Carolina seems to have grown a lot over the last two decades.

Tennessee is another place that has become a sports town in recent years. It wasn’t that long ago that they didn’t have any pro teams. Now they too have three sports only missing MLB.

New Orleans and Indianapolis are both worth considering too. As you said any number of Canadian cities could be considered. I’m not crazy about the New Jersey idea. I assume Jersey is full of Mets and Yankee fans and probably wouldn’t be very welcoming to a new team.

It’s an interesting idea, but I don’t know how realistic the Rays leaving Tampa is. I just wish they would get rid of the eyesore that is Tropicana Field.
 
Last night, the Tampa Bay Rays, who are tied for the best record in all of baseball, had a home game against the Toronto Blue Jays, another good team despite being forth in their own division. They're almost for surely a lock to get either the Divisional title or the Wild Card title, and have had success as of late, even making the World Series just two years ago. However, here's a daunting number to show you:

23,438; 11,968

That is the attendance for the playoff bound Rays for the past two games. The two days before that, Friday and Saturday vs. rival Red Sox, they were marginally higher then the Sunday night game, but it still wasn't even 75% of the stadium's capacity filled. While some of these numbers aren't even close to as poor as what the Montreal Expos were doing in the early 00's, they aren't drawing a whole lot of fans to the games, which makes me beg the question:

Should the Tampa Bay Rays be relocated?

While I know this question may sound a bit crazy, consider this:

-Out of the 12 teams in first or second place in their division, Tampa finishes last in both average attendance and % of attendance filled for this season, currently being 23rd out of the 30 teams. San Diego is the only other playoff-bound team in the bottom 10, at number 20.
-The two years before this, in 09 where they were coming off of a WS berth and 08 when they were making their playoff push, they finished 23rd and 26th in average attendance totals, respectively.
-The team has only been around since 98, and there is a team in Florida that's had more success, the Marlins, and are receiving a new stadium sometime in the near future. Add that into the fact that the Braves are also nearby and draw somewhere near the middle of the pack.

Yes, you could say that they could just relocate the Marlins, but I'm pretty positive it's clear that they wouldn't considering they are getting a new stadium within the next 2-3 years, despite finishing even worse in the attendance figures consistently.

The Rays main problem is not just the location. The main problem is the building they play in, which is complete crap. The Marlins have the same problem, but they have a new stadium being built for 2012, and will have a retractable roof (a must for Florida).

Give the team a new building, and you will get a temporary big boost in attendance (new stadiums tend to do that). They can then put a good product on the field (which they do now), that could lead to bring new, dedicated fans that will continue to attend games.


If the Rays were to relocate, some possible destinations could be:

Canada Many Canadians have been upset over the fact that the MLB took the Expos away from them, and this could be their chance to give it back to them. The Expos were having talks of receiving a new stadium before they were suddenly shut down, and if a winning team like the Rays were moved there they would be able to make a new stadium and their attendance would be better then what they're receiving in Tampa. I didn't specify a certain city in Canada, because there's a few places you could go with them. Montreal, Ottowa, Edmonton, or even Vancouver. However, if they were to move to one of these cities like Vancouver, realignment among the divisions would be necessary as Vancouver is, obviously, is far out west while the Rays play in the East. One setback to this would be the transition rates from US to Canadian money, but it hasn't broken the Blue Jays yet.
The Expos were moved because they couldn't get anyone to come to the games (like 5000, not 12000), and they couldn't get anyone to own the team. MLB likely won't ever try to go back to Montreal. The other factor is interest in those cities for MLB. I have no idea, but don't know if MLB is popular in Ottowa, Edmonton, or Vancouver.

New Jersey Again, I'm not specifying a city, but since they do play in the East, moving up to New Jersey, just south of the Yankees and Red Sox, would help them, more then likely, sell out those games whenever they faced off with each other. The Jets and Giants are located in NJ and normally do well in attendance, and I don't think it'd be any different with the Rays.
Never happen. EVER. The Steinbrenners and Wilpons won't allow it for them to move to Northern NJ (Newark, East Rutherford), and the Phillies wouldn't allow them to move to Southern NJ. When a team moves to another teams market, the teams there already must approve it, and there is no way in hell that a 3rd team would work. The Nats had the same problem when they moved, but Peter Angelos is a fucking greedy jackass, and allowed it if he got a lot of money and if the Nats played on MASN, a network he owns.

North Carolina Carolina already has 3 of the 4 pro league teams, with the Panthers, Bobcats, and Hurricanes, and again wouldn't force the need of realignment. Carolina hasn't ever had a professional baseball team, but with both the Hurricanes and Bobcats, who also play many regular season games, their attendance averages reaches over 75% for teams that haven't had a lot of success in the past 5 years. Probably not a favorite, should they move, but Carolina is a decent sports state.
Of all cities listen, this is the only one that could happen, but again it depends on the interest in the city/state for an MLB team.

There would be other candidates, as well, like Las Vegas, who always seems to be in consideration although they'll never get a city, and Virginia, although with the nearby Orioles and Nationals not doing a whole lot in drawing that could be questionable.
Vegas: MLB will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER let that happen. Gambling. same reason why no Major pro sports teams are there.
Virginia: same reason as New Jersey.

However, like I said, do you think the Rays should relocate? If so, where? If no, why? Judging by their poor attendance and lack of history, I wouldn't put it out of question. There's certainly a lot of cities that are baseball hungry and would welcome them in with open arms. It's just sad to see a great, young team like these Rays draw numbers that the Mariners would laugh at.
I've already stated my opinion that they should NOT relocate. But I find it rather ironic that you mention the Mariners.

During the 90's, the Mariners were in the exact same place as the Rays. No attendance, shit team (Rays pre-08). Ken Griffey Jr scores on a double in extra innings of game 5 of the 1995 ALDS, and all of a sudden they have both fans coming to games and a new stadium. The Rays had the successful year (08), and they do have a decent number of fans. Once they get a new building, they'll blow up as a franchise and start to sell out.
 
The Rays main problem is not just the location. The main problem is the building they play in, which is complete crap. The Marlins have the same problem, but they have a new stadium being built for 2012, and will have a retractable roof (a must for Florida).

Give the team a new building, and you will get a temporary big boost in attendance (new stadiums tend to do that). They can then put a good product on the field (which they do now), that could lead to bring new, dedicated fans that will continue to attend games.

From what I know, the Rays aren't getting a new stadium anytime soon. Yeah, a new one would boost it and their current one is shit, but it just doesn't seem to be in the talks.

The Expos were moved because they couldn't get anyone to come to the games (like 5000, not 12000), and they couldn't get anyone to own the team. MLB likely won't ever try to go back to Montreal. The other factor is interest in those cities for MLB. I have no idea, but don't know if MLB is popular in Ottowa, Edmonton, or Vancouver.

The Expos also weren't a great team as it was, and they were planning on getting them a new stadium before the MLB pretty much took hold of the team.

Never happen. EVER. The Steinbrenners and Wilpons won't allow it for them to move to Northern NJ (Newark, East Rutherford), and the Phillies wouldn't allow them to move to Southern NJ. When a team moves to another teams market, the teams there already must approve it, and there is no way in hell that a 3rd team would work. The Nats had the same problem when they moved, but Peter Angelos is a fucking greedy jackass, and allowed it if he got a lot of money and if the Nats played on MASN, a network he owns.

MLB had NJ as an option when the Expos were being relocated.

Of all cities listen, this is the only one that could happen, but again it depends on the interest in the city/state for an MLB team.

When teams like the Hurricanes fill up a majority of their attendance, despite the south being as far away from a hockey place as you'll find, I think the Rays would do fine. Add in the fact that the Braves are nearby and draw relatively well (middle of the pack) I don't think it'd be out of the question.

Vegas: MLB will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER let that happen. Gambling. same reason why no Major pro sports teams are there.
Virginia: same reason as New Jersey.

I said LV will never get a city, but they're always in talks when any type of relocation is discussed. And Virginia, like NJ, was discussed as a possible site when the Expos were relocated.
I've already stated my opinion that they should NOT relocate. But I find it rather ironic that you mention the Mariners.

Mariners = shit team. But they draw more. They haven't had any success in like 8 years.

During the 90's, the Mariners were in the exact same place as the Rays. No attendance, shit team (Rays pre-08). Ken Griffey Jr scores on a double in extra innings of game 5 of the 1995 ALDS, and all of a sudden they have both fans coming to games and a new stadium. The Rays had the successful year (08), and they do have a decent number of fans. Once they get a new building, they'll blow up as a franchise and start to sell out.

The Rays made a WS two years ago and are likely to make another Postseason appearance, yet attendence has increased from 26th to 23rd. Holy moly, Batman, the Rays are such a draw. :rolleyes: And it doesn't appear that the MLB is itching to get the Rays a new stadium anytime soon.
 
I think the rays are just in a bad spot in the state of Florida...Florida is a Football state...Home of Gators, Canes, and 'Noles in college....Dolphins, Bucs, and Jags (who also may relocate)...oh and lets just throw in the 2008 Eastern Conference Champion Orlando Magic and a some team who got three guys i dont know if you ever heard of them? the Miami Heat?....Yes the Rays are good but after thoughts behind 7 teams in the state of florida.

As for locations being from Indiana i dont know if Indy would work...ever since Peyton that town is and forever will be the Colts town (and they took it from Reggie's Pacers) plus many Hoosiers root for teams around us a la the Flubs (opps Cubs), Tigers and the Chicago team who can win White Sox....but as far as New Orleans i think would be a good thing...now lets be real here they will never own New Orleans That is Saints forever but the Hornets are hardly a solid second and if they win in Orleans even more for them.
 

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