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Should HBK Be the Ref In The Undertakers Match
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This is a great idea, and would help build the feud even more. If the rumors are true and it is Undertaker/Triple H streak vs Career, then why wouldn't he be involved? Triple H is seeking revenge for Undertaker ending his best friends career. He says he wants to end the streak this year and induct his best friend in the Hall of Fame the night before. Undertaker says he can have a match on one condition, if he puts his career on the line just like HBK did. Triple H accepts and every week HBK tries talking him out of it, then eventually Mr. McMahon can announce that HBK will be the ref. The odds will be stacked against Taker and it would build a lot of hype. Everybody will think Shawn is going to screw Taker over, but Shawn vowes to call it right down the middle. When Wrestlemania comes around Shawn can call it down the middle but gets involved with an altercation with Taker. He tries to hit Sweet Chin music on Taker but Undertaker moves out the way and hits Triple H. The match goes on for a while and eventually Taker will hit the tombstone and go for the pin. Shawn Michaels doesn't want to count the three but realizes it's the right thing to do. So he counts very softly, 1....2.... and before 3 he says, "I'm sorry, I love you" just like he did with Flair. He finally counts three and then hugs Hunter.
Shawn Michaels would make the match, that much better.
I see no appeal in having HBK as a special guest referee. Why in the blue hell would The Undertaker agree to a match where the man he retired last year is the official ? I also don't see any logical reason why HBK would be there in the first place. If the match is about Triple H seeking vengence, than it would just seem stupid and counter productive to have that person involved directly in the match. It would be like a criminal going to court for murder and having a jury of people who were close to the victim.
I could see Shawn appearing in a backstage segement or something where he tries to talk HHH out of the match, but no more involvment than that. Remember, Shawn wasn't exactly upset to end his career, which would mean it would be Triple H's feelings feuling his grudge.
Yes. We all know that Taker's streak is not and will never end so if its indeed HHH vs Taker in a Career vs Streak match, then its blatantly obvious that its curtains for The Game. However, with Michaels added into the match, its adds a whole new different dimension into the match. While it might not change the outcome, it is intriguing to find out if HBK will count his best friend into retirement.
Precisely my point, HBK would be too distracting. Don't u find it ironic if HHH's retirement match isn't remembered for his possible performance of a lifetime but for the fact his best friend didn't screw anyone in the match?
You've got a stupendous point right there, however, the fact that we know that if the clash between Taker and The Game happens and it will be The Cerebral Assassin's retirement match, its only us and the majority of us here in these forums. Others and especially the little kids, the fact that HBK possibly donning the black and white may appeal to them.
And if the creative does it right, in the weeks leading up to Mania. They can have HBK make it perfectly clear that he is going to be an impartial referee and not tease whether is he going to screw Taker or HHH for that matter. HBK as the ref will not have a major impact on the match, or the quality of it.
With all the history that the Showstopper have with these 2 ICONs, putting him as the man in charge makes sense, especially if they build this as The Game trying to avenge his best friend's defeat.
I'm in no way suggesting that Undertaker vs Triple H isn't big enough to draw on its own.(In fact, far from that) But Michaels as the referee is not the most atrocious idea in the world.
Appeal to them, insulting to HHH's career. It's basically saying "Oh, Hunter's career isn't a big enough money at the stake, let's bring back HBK as ref so no one will notice the quality of the match because they will have all their eyes at HBK, waiting whether he will screw anyone or not".
But with this I do know one thing for sure: HBK's one time presence is considered to be far far far far bigger than HHH's whole career.
Poor u, Hunter, forever second fiddle to legends like Hogan, Flair, Bret, Austin, Rock, Taker, and HBK. Your career isn't even worth against one time appearance from any of them.
That's what he said during Bret vs Taker at Summerslam 1997 and Rock vs HHH at Judgment Day 2000. Regardless of what he say, people's mind can't be averted from the possible screw-job. In IWC, Taker vs Bret at Summerslam 1997 is known more as 'the match where HBK screwed Taker thus setting up their legendary feud" than a wrestling clinic.
And I remember watching Judgment Day 2000 with 3 of my friends and after the match they were talking about "HBK didn't screw Rock!" and "How cool it was Taker came as a biker!". Until now, I can't recall any of them talking about the wrestling clinic put by Rock & HHH that night.
Do u realize it now HBK's participation will only overshadow the quality of the match itself? Precisely my point.
Austin's retirement match at WM 19 and HBK's retirement match at WM 26 are both remembered as two legendary matches. I don't know whether it's funny or ironic if HHH's retirement match turns out to be perhaps the most underrated retirement match of all time.
I'll make this clear again. Taker & HHH can be as big as Hogan/Rock or Taker/HBK if WWE let them do their in-ring psychology thing, HBK's presence will be too distracting because people will focus more on a possibility of a screwjob rather than enjoying the match like they did Hogan/Rock or Taker/HBK. Because I guarantee you if Austin was playing special ref in Hogan/Rock or Bret was playing special ref in HBK/Taker, I doubt both matches will be remembered for their quality as they are today, but more for the fact "Austin didn't screw Rock" or "Bret didn't screw HBK".
But for argument's sake, if we're talking about history, this year is Taker vs HHH at WM 17 10th anniversary. That plus HHH's career is HUGE enough history for me.
Its huge enough, no doubts about it and The Undertaker vs Triple H Streak vs Career is definitely big enough to be one of the best matches in Wrestlemania history, I have never suggested otherwise.
No, but go ask yourself, is it really necessary?If HBK is booked as ref in Taker/HHH what will people care about more:
a. Will HBK screw Taker?
b. How good Taker/HHH is?
Dunno about u, but by the reaction on WS, WF, and WZ, I'm leaning toward option A. By the end of the match, almost the entire crowd will think "Thank God HBK didn't screw anyone" instead "The match rocks! And when I thought HBK/Taker can't be rivaled!".
I'm going to ask this one more time, doesn't anyone here find it ironic if HHH's retirement match isn't remembered for his possible performance of a lifetime but for the fact his best friend didn't screw anyone in the match?
You are exaggerating things here. I said that with Michaels as the man in charge, it MAY appeal to the fans and especially the kids. In their minds, they will think ''What difference is there between last year's Streak vs Career match and this year's? The match is recycled and Taker will obviously win. But with HBK added as the ref, there is an air of unpredictability surrounding it. (Will it overshadow Hunter vs Taker? It may very well be that way), is it disrespectful to HHH's career? It may very well be that way too) but will they care? I doubt so.
Perhaps you are right, the feeling of a possible-screwjob is inevitable. Its down to the WWE then and how they book it.
However, with Michaels added as the X-Factor, some of the fans might buy the event instead of steering clear of it because of some lazy booking by the WWE. The majority of them will buy the PPV but the X-Factor will draw more, it won't have a detrimental effect to the buyrates.
And in fact, you can't be 100% positive that The Streak will never end, it may and there is some fans out that that is begging for The Streak to come to a screeching halt. If the match goes as plan, it represents the best chance of The Streak coming to an end than all the other matches.
And if the match goes according to plan and HHH loses, who said it will definitely be his last match? We all know that The Game will be affiliated with the company and who can rule out that he will make a return in the squared circle even if he loses. There have been many that don't honour the word 'RETIREMENT' and since we all know that HHH will still be with the company backstage, behind the scenes and having every possibility that he will take over the company in the future. I don't rule out him making a return, not by a long shot.
I explained this in another post I did, but I would have Shawn as referee in the Undertaker's match, especially if it is a "Career v Streak" match against Triple H.
Think of it. Triple H could tell Taker in a promo that he has an "ace" in his pocket for their match. Then, Shawn Michaels would come from behind, and give Taker the Sweet-Chin Music, and announce that he will be referee in their match at Wrestlemania.
This creates huge interest. Suddenly, Taker's streak is not guaranteed, because HBK is refereeing a match between his best friend, and the man who ended his career, (and stole his chance to perform at "Wrestlemania"). So, Taker's streak looks in dnager, as , for the first time, it isn't enough that Taker win, he has to rely on a possibly hostile referee counting his pin. It would also leave Michaels in a dilemma. Will he count the pin that ends his best friend, Triple H's career? Will he fast-count Taker, to get end Taker's career like Taker ended his? The speculation, and the storyline can really keep us on the edge of our seat, especially if HBK cuts promos.