Shane Helms talks Shawn Michaels

[hatehabsforever]

I just skimmed throught that Shane Helms video and a couple of things struck me in particular.

I find it a little bit funny that Shane Helms of all people feels he is in a position to criticize anyone in the WWE, past, present, or future. Don't get me wrong, I think Helms is a reasonably talented wrestler. But here's a guy whose entire claim to fame revolves around one of the more ridiculous gimmicks in the WWE. The Hurricane should really stop and think before going off on a tirade about anyone else, never mind doing so about a sure fire first ballot Hall of Famer. Helms obtained some success in the WWE, made a fair bit of money I would imagine, and got himself somewhat over with a gimmick given to him in the WWE. When the gimmick ran stale, he attempted to re-invent himself. When unable to do so, he was released. Then he was brought back, with similar results, only to be released again. Now he just sounds like a bitter guy who is pissed off with the WWE because he is no longer employed by them. Meanwhile, if the WWE decided to try to rescusitate the cruiserweight division and invited him back, he'd be tripping over himself on the way back to Connecticut. Guys like Jeff Hardy, Matt Hardy, Shane Helms, and others owe their entire professional careers, their name value and their financial security (if they still have any) to the WWE. Without WWE, Helms would likely just be another anonymous wrestler in the indies. He really should shut the hell up and be thankful to the WWE, rather than bitter.

I would imagine that this tirade is just setting the stage for a jump to TNA, along side of Jeff Hardy, Matt Hardy, Shannon Moore, Jessie Neal, in a drug influenced faction. I'm not suggesting this is by TNA's design, it's just that disgruntled and vocal former WWE guys seem to turn up on the doorstep of TNA regularly. If he wants the people at TNA to take notice of him, blasting the guys at WWE seems to fit the bill in most cases.

The thing that I marvelled at the most in his attacks of HBK were just how short-sighted it all was. As I understand it, Michaels has always been very vocal about his past. Back in the day, earlier in his career, I guess in the early DX days and pre-DX days, before he "lost his shine" or whatever the hell the expression he always uses is, he was an asshole. He freely admits it. He was drinking too much, doing too much drugs, womanizing, acting like a jerk, etc.,. He says he hit rock bottom, before finding his faith, his wife, etc., and changing his life. This has happened to lots of guys. I don't know how this makes his a hypocrite, to me, it makes him honest, humble, exemplary in character in terms of how someone can come back from the brink and turn their lives around for the betterment of himself and those around him. He would be a hypocrite if he was still acting like he was back then, and hiding behind his faith while he continued to be a drunken or stoned asshole. With the exception of the part about steroids, I imagine HBK would admit to most of the accusations about the way he used to be. But he changed all of that and should be praised for that, not scorned by bitter has beens who don't deserve to even be in the ring with someone like him. Plus, I don't see how being a hunter makes him less of a Christian. I don't hunt myself, nor could I ever, but I certainly don't feel that the fact that Michaels does makes him a hypocrite or any less of a Christian.

In my opinion, Helms should shut his mouth and worry about his own affairs. Talking trash about the WWE, after earning all of his professional success there, knowing that a return there would be the only way he'd ever achieve such success again, that in my mind makes him the hypocrite.

 

[TheAbsolute1]

So Shane just hit a new low. I don't like to judge people by what they think or say about other people but now he's calling HBK fans ******ed. He's lost my respect.

 

[LitasRevenge79]

I agree that I do find this in quite poor taste, and with this newest revelation, I am finding myself more and more questioning "What do I see in these people aside from what remaining talent that WWE tried to show in them?" then this is the thanks that people got for trying to show faith in them? There's a way to be professional even if you don't agree with someone's personal life or or past transgressions. Granted, nobody is perfect, and HBK has never claimed he was perfect, trust me, I've read his book, and have his dvd's, he's stated numerous times that he's had a troubled life and found his way to happiness again. What I find most troubling is that people who are in some sketchy situations right now, are the ones that are deeming themselves "The Pious and Clean" seemingly whereas anyone who was in the WWE or past relationships with them and don't understand this new-outlandish behaviour of theirs then suffers a harsh verbal tirade in some public setting whether it be an interview, or shoot video on youtube, or whatever. There's a thing called MATURITY here, which is what some of these people are lacking, those who are making these videos calling out their 'friends' they had may be adults, but are far from acting like one. The reason why we may hear that Jericho or Punk or Lita or whomever else could have problems with other stars, and they are able to exist and work in peace, its called having common sense and being an ADULT. Its really not that hard. I would hope that any serious organization that is thinking about taking on the Hardys and their friends would take these kinds of rants into consideration, because this is burning bridges, because who would want to re-hire anyone that goes out on these rants calling out anyone and everyone that they don't see eye to eye with? That is a good way to get nowhere fast if you ask me. The more I hear about their inner circle of friends, the more I seem to be disappointed in their behaviour.

 

[Arkham Noir]

Helms comes across as the most pathetic, bitter crybaby I have ever seen, inside and outside of wrestling. "Shawn let me down"? Who the fuck is this guy to think people owe him something. It's that entire Hardys circle. They are the biggest marks for themselves I have ever seen. They go on the internet and than just spew out shit like some piece of shit douchebag in high school. Grow the fuck up.

Helms is shit. He was an average performer and thinks him not becoming a legend is some great form of injustice. Michelas fucked up in the past. Everyone knows it and he acknowledges it. Move past it. As for his hunting, WHO THE FUCK CARES. He hunts as a hobby. I don't personally like that either, but that in no way influences who he is as a person.

Helms can go jump off a bridge for all I care. Take the fucking Hardys with you. Your all a disgrace to the wrestling buisness.

 

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

So i expect to see a Shannon Moore video were he shits all over Randy Orton or The Undertaker in about a fortnight. Is this just the thing that all Carolinian wrestlers do when they leave a promotion?

I'm not going to bother watching it, i've got the jist.....

My question is, why is Shane Helms even doing this now? It's been what, 6 or 7 months since HBK retired and has been gone from the public eye in the wrestling world, so what exactly inspired these rants in the first place? What exactly does he think he's going to gain by doing this?

And more importantly, what is with pro-wrestlers and their apparent total lack of respect for the fans opinions?

Was there any need for Helms to call HBK fans '******s'? Are they mentally handicapped for having a particular favourite?

And it's not just things like this, i can recall some examples where people have tweeted to wrestlers about something i.e. a rumour they may have heard, and the wrestler turns around and says something like 'don't be a stupid asshole'.

Is that any way to talk to your fans? Why not just ignore the comment or simply say 'no'? What they said may have been stupid, but that doesn't justify insulting your fan base. Ok, one person isn't going to make a huge difference to anything, but keep it up and suddenly you've got talent that repeatedly drives fans away. Now how is that good for business?

If someone comes to me and says 'i don't know how to tune my TV' i can't turn to them and say 'try reading the instruction manual, spastic!'

And then when they say 'i'm not technically minded' i can't turn around and say 'yes but you can read basic English though, yes? You do know the difference between 'In' and 'Out' is, yes? So it's not that you can't do it, it's in fact that you can't be bothered to even attempt to do it.'

I can't say that because i'm an asshole and i could potentially lose my job. So then why is it perfectly acceptable for wrestlers to insult their fans? Or any fans for that matter.

They're entitled to think we're stupid, but surely it's not acceptable from a business stand point for them to actually treat us as we're stupid, is it?

 

[Hollywood Naitch]

LOL at Shane Helms

So Shawn Michaels fans are ******s?? And why is this? For supporting one of the best wrestlers ever?? For actually hoping to believe he is a reformed character, rather than contuining to condemn him because of his past. (I believe Shawn really has changed)

Should those Shawn Michaels fans forget about him and support a guy whos greatest success was pretending to be a superhero?? Would that make them better people and not ******s? Would it Shane?

Fuck off and get a life. Or how about getting a full time wrestling job again you goon

 

[hatehabsforever]

The thing that I was most amused by in this video was when Helms and one of the other two dudes were talking about reading the entire Bible from cover to cover. To be clear, I'm not laughing at the idea of reading the Bible per se, I personally have not but I don't fault anyone who has done so. But the thought of these guys, especially the dude with the bandana, reading the entire Bible, when I doubt he could get through a complete Dr. Seuss story, made me laugh. And the suggestion that Michaels was less of a Christian because he likes to hunt, because they didn't read about Jesus walking around (2000 years ago) carrying a rifle, what a couple of freaking lunatics. And then they suggest that HBK fans are ******s

 

[rhiivy]

Dont worry i think i was the 500 pound girl he was on about in his number 2 episode
I dont quite understand that caus i claerly am not 500lb
plus jesus didnt have a rifle caus they didnt exist and im not sure jesus does but heyho.

 

[rhiivy]

plus Shawn has never ever made any bones about his past he never hid it from anyone, he was an open book infront of everyone so everyone could read.
Shawn has grown up and matured and he started maturing ages and ages ago not long after the birth of his son.
I met him in Cardiff he was lovely shook my hand, went to shake loads of hand if he was an arse he didnt have to do that did he?

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I dunno, I just think it's kind of sad when a wrestler does this. Shane Helms is lucky that his name is mentioned even in the same breath as Shawn Michaels in my view. He has a large following on the net but I always saw him in the same light as Matt Hardy: an extremely overrated mid-carder that believes he's much better than he actually is.

As far as HBK and drugs go, I'd say it's a safe assumption that he at least dabbled back in the 90s. Probably more than dabbled but who knows for sure. At any rate, his drug issues must not have been serious enough to affect his work. As to Michaels' religious beliefs, I think Helms is pretty much just shooting his mouth off here and doesn't have a shred of credibility. Shawn Michaels has been a Born Again Christian for around a decade, maybe more, and he's spent most of that time as an active WWE competitor. I think that if Michaels' beliefs weren't genuine, he'd have been exposed a dozen times over before now as a fraud.

I don't think Helms knows what a hypocrite is. If HBK tries to behave like a saint, bashing people for engaging or doing things that he himself has done in the past, then that definitely counts. However, turning your life around & getting it in order while using your past to talk to others that are doing things you yourself have doen isn't hypocrisy, it's called life experience.

 

[excel_excel]

Wow calling HBK's fans ******ed. Well done Helms, I gave you the beneift of the doubt in my post eariler in this thread but turns out you ARE just a bitter asshole, looking to stay relevant by bashing HBK. Lets forget about him bashing the whole relegion thing and look at the other stuff he said.

"(HBK's) done more drugs then twenty people you all know altogether" Really? More then your best pal, the guy facing fucking charges for drug trafficking?

And the steroids part of his rant.....just wow. He destroyed his arguement there. Fucking idiot.

 

[rhiivy]

Shawn Michaels has been a Born Again Christian for around a decade, maybe more, and he's spent most of that time as an active WWE competitor. I think that if Michaels' beliefs weren't genuine, he'd have been exposed a dozen times over before now as a fraud.

exactly shawn has been a born again christian for at least that id say.
shawn may have still been doing drugs early 2000 like but what turned him around from that was hearing rebecca if im right talking to their son cameron about how "daddy was too tired and asleep to read him a story" caus he was out of it like
and thats when shawn knew it was time to change i believe.
i believe that was featured in heartbreak and triumph where he talked about it.

shawn said at that point he knew he had to change and he has. he did it for his family, and himself and i believe for the rest of his remaining life he will stick to it lets face it hes come this far..

 

[Post]

I expressed before how I feel about Shawn, so I won't bore everyone again.

Helms is doing something to stay relevant with the wrestling community. This is all he has. If not for this and riding the coat tails of the drugged up Hardy Boys, then he would not be remembered. Of course talking shit about a legend will get you attention.

His tweets are the actions of a desperate man. Helms is clutching at the straws. They show his jealousy.

Now if these comments were made by someone with more credibility, say Shawn's Pastor, wife, family member, or neighbor...I could possibly consider them valid.

 

[rhiivy]

I expressed before how I feel about Shawn, so I won't bore everyone again.

Helms is doing something to stay relevant with the wrestling community. This is all he has. If not for this and riding the coat tails of the drugged up Hardy Boys, then he would not be remembered. Of course talking shit about a legend will get you attention.

His tweets are the actions of a desperate man. Helms is clutching at the straws. They show his jealousy.

Now if these comments were made by someone with more credibility, say Shawn's Pastor, wife, family member, or neighbor...I could possibly consider them valid.

In complete and utter agreement with you there hun, he knows he is washed up and the only only thing he can do to get attention is slander a great legend future hall of famer.

....plus i know he is a liar too, caus if its me he is talking about in h2h episode 2 "500lb fan *scoff* at the 500lb anyway.
he said that this 500lb person was the one who gave him the nastiest tweet and wished him death or something!!!! and my tweets to him had no death in them whatsoever- so if he is on about myself he is a liar basically just saying that on public camera accsess, and if he can lie about that what else can he lie about? however i do know i really got under his skin thats completly obvious in his two dms to my twitter account haha

 

[gohan]

waht the heck is he saying shwan is better wrestler than he was is good performer
shane is all right but he is not on his level

 

[Fling_a_thong]

Well that was....interesting to say the least. You know, I think everyones well aware of HBK's past history pre-his 2002 comeback, and were always hearing how great a guy he is now and all that. I mean everyone's got a dark side and maybe Shawn just didn't like Shane, and Shane must have got frustrated seeing as how the greatest wrestler ever and a supposed great guy could treat him bad. I mean I think everyone knows that one guy that seemingly everybody likes and you treat nice but just is an asshole to you.
Ultimately that's just one situation I'm thinking up and maybe I'm wrong and Shane's just a bitter asshole, who knows!

That said, he didn't slate Shawn's in ring ability, which would be stupid anyway as HBK's easily the greatest ever. His comments on Shawns hunting hobby and how that relates to his relegion was bizarre. I don't personally agree with hunting but fuck, saying that if you hunt that means your a bad christian is bullshit.

Maybe its all a huge work for Helms to rack up sales for his Shoot DVD coming out? I mean maybe he feels he has to stand out from the guys he hangs around with, and with all the crazy crap Jeff and Matt are pulling maybe he feels desperate and decided to make a small incident with HBK out to be this huge thing. Bottom line at the end of the day HBK could care less that another guy is slinging mud at him, and for Helms, the people interested in his Shoot DVD has just gone up.

could not have said it better myself. if you look at the interview, you could see how pissed off he was about HBK but refuse to say what the whole story was, saying he'll "tell when he release his shoot DVD," anyone can see hes promoting his dvd.

how long has he been released anyhow? since feb i believe, now all of a sudden he starts talking about his heat with HBK at about the same time the junkie and the fat ass (the hardy's) are shooting about cm punk or lita or something. this guy is trying to stay relevant and sell his dvd.

lol now that i think about it. what i got from the interview is that he calls HBK a hypocrite christian because he swore and he hunts? lol theres nothing in the bible that says a man becomes holy when he becomes a christian. they are still men that has faults at the end of the day. i kinda find it funny that he is the only one i heard having heat with HBK these days. even bret hart has positive things to say about HBK since his return

but i guess until he releases his dvd , we will never find out what happened, even if we did it will be from his side. well just never know since we were not there.

 

[Minor League Brian]

People seriously need to hop off. I get what he said was pretty stupid, but he was completely hammered. I got what he was getting at. He was saying about how Shawn was very "fake" in his religious, and I know plenty of people like that. They preach it and go on and on about how they live it when deep down, they're no different.

I'd wait to hear his shoot video before really going off on him. I'm sure there's more to him, but once you don't like someone every little thing irks you about them.

 

[Serious Mozzarella]

Shane Helms is just some random asshole trying to ride on the coattails of HBK's fame, simply because he's at home doing absolutely nothing. It's pretty sad, too, Shane Helms had quite the following with the IWC, but he's gone and fucked it all away, simply because he's bitter that someone was mean to him during his time in the WWE.

He started talking all this shit about HBK on Twitter, then when he didn't get the flood of approval he expected, he started calling HBK's fans "******s."

Spoiler

What's up with that?

 

[The Crock]

Helms is bitter that he isn't working for the WWE anymore, so in an attempt to keep himself relevant he is going after HBK. Most people don't listen to what Helms has to say, he's nothing but an idiot. He's lost nearly all the respect I had for him. Since getting released he has done nothing but throw dirt on the WWE and anybody associated with it. The things he said were insulting and asinine, Helms needs to shut up. To go so far as to attack a man's religious beliefs is just wrong, quite the low-blow here by Helms.

 

[Hollywood Naitch]

The more I read about this, the more I think how stupid it is. I have already posted my views, but I will say again, it is just a cheap shot by a guy who the wrestling business has forgotten. Yes, we may see Helms in TNA at some point along with Moore and the Hardys, but his importance in wrestling has declined to the level of an Orlando Jordan or a Val Venis. Noone cares about him anymore, and he is just trying to get his name out there again by having a go at Shawn, who is a legend of the business.

Pathetic really

 

[Minnesota Connection]

Sounds like a bunch of cheap shots and smart ass comments.

My favorite stupid comment was "Jesus Christ never had a gun on his back, i've read every scripture, not one had Jesus Christ with a god damn gun on his back..."

Moron.

His career is over. Done for, no one will respect him or take him serious after this.... I don't think many people did in the first place...

 

[The Encore]

People seriously need to hop off. I get what he said was pretty stupid, but he was completely hammered. I got what he was getting at. He was saying about how Shawn was very "fake" in his religious, and I know plenty of people like that. They preach it and go on and on about how they live it when deep down, they're no different.

I'd wait to hear his shoot video before really going off on him. I'm sure there's more to him, but once you don't like someone every little thing irks you about them.

I completely agree with what has been said here. Also people need to stop bashing on Helms, he had a great career and the IWC used to love him. It's his personal beef with HBK and I can actually understand what he is saying even if he is piss drunk. Don't portray somebody and think you're going to follow a religion if you're going to totally disrespect it and it's followings off camera, and this is coming from someone with a catholic background. I love Helms & HBK, actually HBK more than Helms. But what he said was totally justifiable.

 

[jacdnwarrior]

It amazes me how people never want to hear the truth. Why should he keep quiet about it ? If HBK wants to pretend he's something he's not, why is Helms wrong for bringing out the truth ? No one really knows what these guys are going through and he steps up and talks about it and he's wrong ?

Yes there's politics in every workplace, but this isn't every workplace. This is a very physically demanding line of work. They are dealing with injuries, crappy pay,a hectic schedule and add to that if you piss off the wrong person, you can lose your livelihood or be demoted, that's killing their ability to make money at the largest company in their chosen field. In this line of work, in WWE, there needs to be boundaries on these guys in terms of how they use their power backstage and Vince seems to be turning a blind eye to foolishness like this.

It would help if people who worked for WWE would speak up and say something about the politics there. Unfortunately no person who works there is willing to speak up for fear of losing their job, their position in the company, because they got to eat and/or families to provide for. That's why you won't hear Bret and Jericho speak out against him. No way they'll burn bridges when the best friend of HBK has a lot of power backstage.

I've heard it before, it may be true it might not, but Helms isn't wrong just because you're a fan of HBK's. I wouldn't call his fans ******ed, but they are loyal and often times refuse to see him as anything else than a poster child for all things that are good in the business. That might not be true.

 

[LSN80]

I don't understand why Jeff Hardy is public enemy number one and HBK, who's drug reputation was public knowledge when he was a babyface champion and a role model to kids. Why does HBK get a pass on that and Hardy doesn't? .

HBK didnt get a free pass. If you read his book whatsoever, he talks about all of the times he got sent home from shows, even when they were just trying to use him creatively, because he was messed up on pills. He and HHH, real life best friends, didnt speak for over a year because of his drug and alcohol problems. Michaels almost lost his wife and his son due to his rampant drug abuse.

The reason Hardy still gets a hard time, and HBk doesnt is because Hardy is still found in questionable situation after situation. Michaels has been clean and sober for over 6 years. He admitted he had a problem, and did something about it. Hardy continues to deny there's an issue and makes excuse after excuse. He may be right-but his behavior that's reported today still looks quite questionable.

To me, Helms show is just the idea of someone whose completely irrelevant trying to keep himself relevant. His 90 day competition clause has come and gone and he's sitting on his butt drinking and ripping on former co-workers on a web show. To me, I personally don't care what he says about HBK because its his opinion and he has the right to it. But it reaks of arrogance and desperation.