Shane Helms talks Shawn Michaels

[TheAbsolute1]

This is pretty shocking, but I just read a review oh H2H and here's what Sugar had to say 'bout HBK.

He says that HBK is his very least favorite wrestler of all time. That Michaels let him down as a person, and his religious gimmick is nothing but a work. Helms states that HBK is the biggest hypocrite and has taken more drugs, including coke and roids, than any other pro wrestler. He also refers to Shawn as a cock-eyes cross-eyed p.o.s.

Kinda childish to publicize his feelings like that, but what do you think about what has been said by The Hurricane?

NOT TRYING TO ADVERTISE!! But here's a link to this weeks H2H so you can hear for yourself.

http://www.justin.tv/geekweek/b/274556516

 

[WWTNA]

WOW! I did not know that Helms had bad heat with Shawn Michaels. I know that HBK was an asswhole back that then as said by Bret Hart and other wrestlers but now, Michaels seems to have changed . I guess I could be wrong with the way Helms is talking about Shawn like that.

Helms does sound childish. To say that he doesn't like Shawn Michaels is one thing but to throw dirt on his name like that is unprofessional. I can't really say Helms is right when I don't know the other side of the story. Helms could be doing this to get attention. Who knows? Just saying.

 

[Cruiser]

I'm somewhat split on my feelings on this issue. First, I think it's obvious that Helms is right in saying that Michaels has had drug problems in the past. Michaels' behavior in the late 90's has been well documented and many wrestlers have spoken out in saying he was the biggest headcase in the industry. In documentaries it has been said that Michaels' drug use was out of control after he "retired" in 1998. I remember in one Triple H was talking about the night WCW was sold and said Michaels was so "pilled out" that HHH, his closest friend, even had to step aside and tell him to get help. As I recall Shawn didn't take that very well. However, even Shawn admitted he had a major problem but cleaned up his act and returned in 2002.

Now this is the part where I look at Helms and really have to wonder. To say someone's religious beliefs are only a facade is quite a bold statement. I feel like even someone's closest friends could not even dissect their most intimate beliefs. Could Shawn be faking? Maybe. But who is Shane Helms to make that statement? Every indication is that Shawn changed his life and it seems like most people can come to a consensus on that. There's only one person who knows what the truth is and that's Shawn Michaels. So to make accusations like that is simply ludicrous. Then Helms makes a pretty intelligent assessment by calling Shawn a "cross-eyed POS." Things that like just take away credibility to me. Childish name calling is not the best thing to do when you are trying to get a point across.

What it seems like is that the Helms crew (Hurricane, the Hardys, etc.) just constantly talk shit about wrestlers in the industry. That really comes across as bitter from guys who are no longer with the company. They talk like they are the gold standard of professional wrestling and that everyone else has something wrong with them. Because of this, I take everything that Helms or Hardy say with a grain of salt. You can have opinions but these guys talk so frequently that they are losing whatever credibility they had. Helms also said how he almost hit Shawn over an argument he was having with Jericho. Yet Helms didn't go into any details about what was going on. If you're going as far as calling out another wrestler's personal beliefs then why can't you describe what was happening in that situation? Let's face it, he's probably just looking for attention to keep his name out there. In the grand scheme of things who really cares what "The Hurricane" has to say about anything? It's a shame because I used to really like and respect guys like Helms and the Hardys. In the past year that respect has gone from very high to pretty much non-existent. I wish they'd take the high road but they continue to be bitter and do stuff like this.

 

[foundation611]

I have no doubt Hurricane is just trying to throw dirt on HBK. Haven't heard any bad words about him since he became a born again christian so this is just one bitter dude for whatever reason. As was already stated it seems the Hardys and their crew are just really bitter guys who have major problems. That's probably why they hang together. Matt and Jeff and everyone else needs to grow up and mind their business do their thing and concentrate on themselves. Not CM Punk or Lita or HBK or whomever else they don't like or have issues with.

 

[The Masturbator]

Well, He can't keep kayfabe when someone(cena this year before the RR,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ3wgVz_r-Q ) is 10 seconds late so im not really surprised. Even if he was mad did he have to show it while on Raw is still airing and ruin it for everyone?

So im not surprised he is an asshole backstage. I watched H2H when it was airing live and he said that HBK was going apeshit on y2j backstage over something stupid. bottom Line, I do NOT believe HBK has changed on bit. I think he is still the same ass he was 13 years ago.

 

[smalltownfan]

This is beyond shocking! What is up with Shane Helms? HBK is a first-ballot hall-of-famer and one of the greatest to ever step foot in the ring. He is indeed a show-stopper. Now let's address this. First, it is no secret that in the 90's, HBK probably doesn't remember half of it because he indeed had a substance problem and he was not the easiest person to be around. HHH in an interview called him the "angry young man". This part is well-documented and Vince McMahon was MORE THAN PATIENT with Shawn as he worked out his problems. It is also public knowledge that ever since HBK accepted Jesus as his Savior, he became a totally different person and much easier to hang out with and work with. According to HHH, you would still see glimpses of the "angry young man" every now and then, but nowhere near as much. Also, I can't believe that Helms called HBK a hyprocrite and said that his religious re-birth on TV was nothing but a work. This is 100% false and unless someone provides me with documentation, or it's HBK himself, I will not believe this for a minute. Let's bear in mind that when DX reunited back in 2007 (I think), there were certain things that HBK refused to do because of his newfound relationship with Jesus. First, the fans said, "Suck it", not him as he used to. Also, whenever a scantily-clad female would come up, HBK would disappear from the picture quickly because he didn't want to be a part of that segment. I also heard a report that he had a hard time with going along with the whole "Vince loves cocks" deal. Take it from a Christian...the Lord can change your life for the better. The old leaves and someone new appears and this is exactly what happened with HBK. It seems to me as if Helms would benefit from a conversation with HBK as I know that Helms is dealing with his own problems. Sounds like a disgruntled ex-employee who needs to grow up and clean his act up...something that HBK knows all too well how to do.

 

[Nikeo]

I don't understand why Jeff Hardy is public enemy number one and HBK, who's drug reputation was public knowledge when he was a babyface champion and a role model to kids. Why does HBK get a pass on that and Hardy doesn't?

I can't comment on either HBK or Helms as I don't know either of them, by all accounts Michaels has definitely mellowed in the years and does his Christian thing. I'd say this is honestly a personality clash and I wouldn't be surprised if Helms is just bitter about something that happened years ago. It's nothing to raise alarm bells about, wrestlers fall out frequently and vent it to dirtsheets, blogs, etc, etc.

 

[Thriller Ant]

Helms has actually lost a ton of credibility since he got fired. When guys leave the WWE, there are 2 ways they go about it. The first group are the ones who are respectful and understand that wrestling is a business and that for some reason, their employment wasn't working out. These guys usually find other outlets to work and often leave doors open for returns later down the road. Luke Gallows, Vance Archer, and Shelton Benjamin are recent releases who seem to follow this track.

Unfortunately, Helms falls into the other category, along with guys like Matt Hardy and Charlie Haas. These guys seem to believe that WWE was out to screw them and that they deserved better, etc. Now, is there politicking in wrestling and is it possible they could have been screwed? Yes. But does that justify ranting and raving about how WWE sux and they should've been World Champion? No. This is clearly Helms trying to stay relevant and shit on WWE at the same time. I can believe Shawn is/was an asshole, but Helms will probably never be credible to me again due to his whiny bitch routine.

 

[WWTNA]

I don't understand why Jeff Hardy is public enemy number one and HBK, who's drug reputation was public knowledge when he was a babyface champion and a role model to kids. Why does HBK get a pass on that and Hardy doesn't?

I can't comment on either HBK or Helms as I don't know either of them, by all accounts Michaels has definitely mellowed in the years and does his Christian thing. I'd say this is honestly a personality clash and I wouldn't be surprised if Helms is just bitter about something that happened years ago. It's nothing to raise alarm bells about, wrestlers fall out frequently and vent it to dirtsheets, blogs, etc, etc.

Because Shawn Michaels changed is life around. Back then, we did not know what was going on backstage. We did not have websites like WrestleZone to get the news about wrestling in the 90's. We only heard it from interview shoots. Jeff Hardy is getting so much heat is because he is making his career worser and worser by the minute. People don't want to see him high or drunk looking like a mess. He needs to sober up and know that kids look up to the guy. A kid died from doing the swanton bomb of of his roof. Thats how big of a fan he was to Jeff Hardy. Just saying.

 

[Cruiser]

Well, He can't keep kayfabe when someone(cena this year before the RR,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ3wgVz_r-Q ) is 10 seconds late so im not really surprised. Even if he was mad did he have to show it while on Raw is still airing and ruin it for everyone?

So im not surprised he is an asshole backstage. I watched H2H when it was airing live and he said that HBK was going apeshit on y2j backstage over something stupid. bottom Line, I do NOT believe HBK has changed on bit. I think he is still the same ass he was 13 years ago.

If this incident with Jericho is such a big deal then I'd like to wonder why Y2J has nothing but good things to say about Shawn Michaels in every interview he does on that topic. That goes back to my point with Helms not saying what exactly they were arguing about. Was it really something stupid or was the whole thing taken out of context by Helms? We don't know. That is the bottom line.

And as for him breaking kayfabe, that happens to every single wrestler at some point in time. There are hundreds of videos on youtube of wrestlers caught talking to the production crew, getting pissed over nothing, and just generally getting out of character. Even the most seasoned veterans do it. And to be fair, during that storyline Shawn was supposed to be mad and frustrated so I HIGHLY doubt the casual fan would have caught what was actually happening in that situation.

Does Shawn probably have some irritating eccentricities backstage? Probably. Like any top guy I'm sure he has some ego to him that pisses people off. But to say he's the same person he was 13 years ago is pretty unfair. Chances are both Helms and HBK are in the wrong on certain things.

 

[sTyLnK]

Yeah HBK was a troubled guy back in the day, but he grew up and found religion which really helped him as a person. Backstage even right before he retired I'm sure there was the odd person who still despised him and thought he was full of himself, but the majority felt he turned the corner a while ago and was really a good guy. HBK certainly won't care. He knows he grew up and is living the sweet life now being retired. He'll be the first to tell you that you can't be liked by everyone. Especially in pro wrestling.

Either Helms is still holding a grudge from whatever HBK said or did to him in the past or he's just plain bonkers like Matt and Jeff Hardy seem to have become in their videos.

 

[Kim1982]

This is my first post! At least I hope it is. I was not logged in right before and it would not let me post. Anyway on the topic. I think people should listen to the interview for themselves. The part about Shawn is about an hour and 20 minutes or so I think. Shane Helms does not come across as bitter to me. In fact he was praising current wrestlers. I think he meant that he was dissapointed in Shawn Michaels as a person after he meet him. He did not really say anything shocking or new. Nothing people have not said in the past. Shawn Michaels was my favorite wrestler growing up but even I can tell by looking at him that he is an asswhole sometimes. I do not think he should have brought the religion into it. Saying someone's relgion is a work is a pretty harsh claim to make with no way to back it up. Shawn's religious beleifs seem sincere to me. He does alot with his church and did not want to do alot of things when he came back because of it. Isn't that why he never went to Smackdown because it would interfere with going to church on Wednesdays? With that being said just because you are religous does not completely change who you were/are. You are still the same person deep inside no matter how much you want to change. I am sure Shawn was still a pain backstage sometimes. I do believe he has changed some but he still has an ego, of that can apply to alot of wrestlers. Some people just do not get along or their personalities clash.
I just find it strange that he would come out with this now Why not when Shawn retired and everyone was talking about him. At least I did untill he said he would tell what Chris Jericho and Shawn Michaels were arguing about on his shoot dvd that is coming out. Nice plug for that. And nice way to get his name back out there again if he were to ever join TNA.

 

[gunnascott]

I truly think HBK has turned his life around. Maybe he did something to Helms in his dark days or maybe he's bitter against everyone and HBK is the first person he attacked with more to follow.

 

[Mr. Artistic guy]

I had to filter through about half an hour's worth of absolute bullshit to get to the bit where he starts talking. BTW guys it is at about 1:34 through the whole thing. Most of what he is shooting about is basically michaels doing what he considers un-christain things like going hunting and swearing and things. That is the biggest load of shit I've ever heard. How many people who are christians swear, how many of those go hunting and things.

I've got no idea why he is shooting off on michaels in particular when there is so many other guys in his situation. Now aside from the parts he is talking about him being a hypocrite which is garbage, the parts worth critiquing are the bits about him doing more drugs than anyone - he never specified when in his career this was, could have been early and even if it wasn't at least he hasn't done what people like shane's good friend jeff has done and made stupid videos and got himself in the limlight and not been able to perform because of that, he never let drugs affect his performances which is good.

I also really doubt about the backstage conflicts between jericho and shawn because I'm sure we would have heard something, it's a pretty high profile thing to go unpublished by some jobber passing by. Tbh I don't wanna listen to this wanna be black guy at all. Right after he said in the interview something to do with chris jericho touching his face and he retaliating by punching him, and then said jericho got nothing for it and he got fired. Well damn right, you don't hit someone cos they touch your face son. He also made a toast to matt hardy, one of the biggest wastes of space there is in wrestling, so for me I don't think it's worht listening to a word this guy says.

I don't know if michaels did drugs or not, I do think he's probably a better guy than helms tho on account of him not going off blapping stories they probably made up.

 

[Mitch Henessey]

So? Why should I give a fuck what Shane Helms thinks about Michaels? This guy was a solid mid carder in WWE, but he was never anything special. Shawn Michales is a legend in the world of pro wrestling. Sure he had problems with drugs, but he was able to turn his life around, and I have a great amount of respect for that. Shawn might be a dick, but that doesn't mean Helm's bitching and moaning is justified. He will never be a main event guy, and taking shots at Michaels won't help his case. Helms just seems to be very bitter about his release from WWE. He's butthurt, so I guess he feels the need to take a shot at HBK. I was kind of let down by this. I've always liked Helms, but he just sounds like a pathetic cry baby here.

 

[shattered dreams]

I may watch it later but I'm guessing this is likely a part of a common annoyance for people with what I'll call the born again reprieve. It is basically like Shawn Michaels was an absolute arrogant asshole, a drug abuser, a politicker, prima donna etc. for 20 years or whatever. Then he stops with drugs and becomes slightly less of an asshole that happens to be christian and he gets a pass on anything and everything. In fact he may even do the whole don't do what I did shtick. Which is fine on the surface but annoying when pressed to far. I have a hard time seeing why Michaels gets a pass just for all his wrongs automatically. Hey, I am a christian today so throw out the past few decades. That is bullshit IMO. I also find it hard to believe he completely changed some of the neurosis of his personality. I would love to be able to pretend it was all well and good because he is one of my all-time favorites but I am not buying it. I think many do buy into this story because it sounds good and they want to believe it because they like his work as much as I do and it is hard to see some of these guys for what they really are.

 

[Con T.]

You know, there's a little saying about stones and glass houses. Something like clashing them together in a glass house will cause a fire. Or something like that. Isn't this the same guy who was busted in the HGH ring back in 2007, with Edge, Randy, etc.? And, for that matter, isn't this the guy that got busted for actually punching Chris Jericho in the mug? Everyone's well aware of Shawn's issues, but we can only conclude, from what other people have said, that Shawn has matured. Bret Hart has gone on record in saying Shawn has matured, Sunny did so in a shoot interview. Take a good look at the footage. Mind you, she isn't exactly a pristine figure herself, but she doesn't say a bad thing about her.

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And, mind you, this is someone who has a horrible reputation for shitting on people in shoot interviews, and also has a very sordid past with Shawn. So, tell me, why should I take Gregory Helm's word over two people who have worked with Shawn much longer, saw him for his fuck up stage and his born again days, and have given glimmering reviews.

This just reeks of sour grapes, pure and simple. Gregory is known to have quite the ego, and it's not exactly like he's a model character either.

 

[WWEIsLife2]

Helms has actually lost a ton of credibility since he got fired. When guys leave the WWE, there are 2 ways they go about it. The first group are the ones who are respectful and understand that wrestling is a business and that for some reason, their employment wasn't working out. These guys usually find other outlets to work and often leave doors open for returns later down the road. Luke Gallows, Vance Archer, and Shelton Benjamin are recent releases who seem to follow this track.

Unfortunately, Helms falls into the other category, along with guys like Matt Hardy and Charlie Haas. These guys seem to believe that WWE was out to screw them and that they deserved better, etc. Now, is there politicking in wrestling and is it possible they could have been screwed? Yes. But does that justify ranting and raving about how WWE sux and they should've been World Champion? No. This is clearly Helms trying to stay relevant and shit on WWE at the same time. I can believe Shawn is/was an asshole, but Helms will probably never be credible to me again due to his whiny bitch routine.

I couldn't have said it better myself about putting some Wrestlers in those Categories. I really don't understand why guys like Shane Helms think they deserve to be a World Champion and think they are bigger than the Buisness. I liked Helms as Hurricane in WWE but I never saw him as a Main Eventer and guys like him need to get over the fact they don't deserve to be a World Heavyweight Champion.

Shawn Micheals is a Legend and did he have his problems in the 90's? Sure he did but alot of guys then did as well. HBK has turned his life around and who is Helms to say that he hasn't.

 

[MMSoldier]

I don't know how i really feel about this. Helms was having issues with wwe before he left, and has a dislike for them too. If he wants to do something about wwe, then he should go to tna and complain while getting paid.

 

[PositiveBlack]

Wow!! Is all I can really say after watching that shoot. Yeah this seems childish and petty. But to his his credit (Hurricane and Hardys) everyone thought Jose Conseco was a snitch-scumbag trying get attention. He still a scumbag but he was right about the wilds of baseball. Is Gregory Helms the Jose of wrestling. I hope not but my gut tell me other wise. Its funny he has nothing to say about Triple H because usually people go after Hunter and not Shawn

 

[UltimateHitman]

I didn't bother to watch the video, but gleaning from what everybody says about it, here's my take. Yeah, Helms may be bitter about a lot of things and I don't agree w/his hunting and swearing junk. I mean, that's going a little overboard really. Christians are people too, and a swear here and there especially if you did a lot of it over your lifetime before just shows you're human and make mistakes. Plus, swear words were made up by man, so I don't mind throwing a shit, fuck, damn, whatever out there as long as it's not the g.d. word. And far as hunting? Come on, it's a food source and it can be done in a respectful manner, for example the Native Americans honoring the food that they were "provided" to sustain themselves. That being said, of course, nobody was backstage with them. And Shawn's attitude has been horrendous for a big part of his career. Sure, others probably had an ego too, but you always heard about his so I'd bet his was a little bigger than most. But one of the things that has me wondering is the whole God/Shawn vs. Vince/Shane tag team match. I mean, if I was as religious as Shawn claimed to have become (not saying I'm not religious, but.. oh, you know what I mean), and I obviously had enough pull to get where I was even after being a sawed-off little shit stain, then I would definitely not have been comfortable with that angle and probably had spoken up, much less have Vince basically go over "God" and brag about it on national television. I would take offense to that entire angle, so maybe Mr. HBK's persona WAS a little embellished for the camera's sake. I could definitely see it. I mean it is Shawn Michaels. lol But moving on to another point of the discussion, I believe the whole point of the Shawn/Hardy argument is the fact that nobody back in the day knew that Shawn would eventually find God, so the "oh, he's changed for the better now" viewpoint is kind of moot. Why? Because when he was getting away with all of his shit back then, first of all people (fans) still heard about it, and secondly, why did he get all the time in the world to eventually "change"? I would think that with everything he did back then he would have been a prime candidate for a "future endeavors". But it's in the past now, and for whatever reason he was allowed to act the way he did. But it's not wrong to ask the question "why". He hadn't hit legend status when it was happening, so some people are going to be miffed and a bit jealous if they get the shaft but still see his smug face prancing around. It happens. And no, I'm not defending Helms and the Hardys, btw. They are acting like a bunch of tools. But you can't completely dismiss the idea just because Helms is an asshole. Sometimes assholes are the ones that aren't afraid to speak the truth even if it's about a bigger star and they might catch some flak for it.

 

[hoppydude]

Helms just seems like he is very bitter with the WWE. I remember seeing videos of him wearing shirts that say "PG SUCKS" and stuff of that nature, right now by wearing those shirts and going on rants about HBK he's just trying to get a reaction from the IWC out their and try to get over because he obviously isn't going to be doing that in a wrestling ring on national television anymore. Helms had a good character in the hurricane and had a decent run in 2002 feuding with the Rock and teaming with Kane but other then those 2 instances The Hurricane isn't anything more then a comedy gimmick, like Santino.

His bitterness continues with his rant on HBK, i can't speak on his relationship with Michaels because i obviously wasn't their but the fact he says that his religion is all a work is just ludicrous and made him look like a bitter a-whole. Helms had a good run with the Hurricane character and got to be a focal point on Smackdown for a while as cruseirweight champion but that's all in the past. Helms will turn 37 in June and with the youth-movement in full effect in the WWE he just has no place in that company anymore and TNA has no reason to hire him as they are already overflowed with past-prime wrestlers, but hey he can still work the indys and maybe go to Japan? It seems Helms is going threw a breakup and will eventually get over it but for now he just seems to be spreading lies about his ex's and that's just what you do after a breakup.

 

[Hollywood Naitch]

I am quite surprised about Helms doing this. Michaels drug problems and asshole attitude back in the mid 90s are common knowledge, Shawn doesnt try and hide it. He admits he was immature, stupid and a jerk back then, but I do think that his religious beliefs now are genuine. The guy does a lot of work for the church and does his own bible classes etc. He wouldnt do that if it was all fake, especially as he isnt even wrestling anymore, so its not like he would have to play up to the persona any more.

Maybe Shawn was rude/ an asshole to Helms while he was in the WWE, which could explain the bad blood, but to me it just seems like Shane is a bit bitter, for what reason I dont know. Maybe its just a personality clash, but he seems to be burning bridges here for whatever reason.

I think guys like Helms and the Hardys just need to shut their mouths and concentrate on sorting out their own careers rather than having a go at the WWE and other wrestlers, its not big and its not clever. Plus, as if Shawn Michaels really gives a shit about what Shane Helms has to say!

 

[excel_excel]

Well that was....interesting to say the least. You know, I think everyones well aware of HBK's past history pre-his 2002 comeback, and were always hearing how great a guy he is now and all that. I mean everyone's got a dark side and maybe Shawn just didn't like Shane, and Shane must have got frustrated seeing as how the greatest wrestler ever and a supposed great guy could treat him bad. I mean I think everyone knows that one guy that seemingly everybody likes and you treat nice but just is an asshole to you.
Ultimately that's just one situation I'm thinking up and maybe I'm wrong and Shane's just a bitter asshole, who knows!

That said, he didn't slate Shawn's in ring ability, which would be stupid anyway as HBK's easily the greatest ever. His comments on Shawns hunting hobby and how that relates to his relegion was bizarre. I don't personally agree with hunting but fuck, saying that if you hunt that means your a bad christian is bullshit.

Maybe its all a huge work for Helms to rack up sales for his Shoot DVD coming out? I mean maybe he feels he has to stand out from the guys he hangs around with, and with all the crazy crap Jeff and Matt are pulling maybe he feels desperate and decided to make a small incident with HBK out to be this huge thing. Bottom line at the end of the day HBK could care less that another guy is slinging mud at him, and for Helms, the people interested in his Shoot DVD has just gone up.

 

[The Idiot]

Also, I can't believe that Helms called HBK a hyprocrite and said that his religious re-birth on TV was nothing but a work. This is 100% false and unless someone provides me with documentation, or it's HBK himself, I will not believe this for a minute.

Not only did Helms call Shawn a hypocrite...but a million other things as well. Shane is a very bitter person...either that or it's Shane who's pulling the work just to get people to buy his upcoming shoot DVD. Who knows.