Seriously, why do wrestling fans have to complain about everything.

[Poop Master Flex]

Now I'm not going to say that I'm not guilty about complaining about the product because I am TOTALLY guilty of that. I will also say that this doesn't just apply to wrestling fans as no matter how good something is there will still be people out there who disapprove of it (like Led Zeppelin, how can someone hate Led Zeppelin but sure enough there are people that do).

I'm not overly talking about all the BS that wrestling puts on because its important to have standards but no matter what happens in wrestling or how good a wrestler or program is it seems that almost every wrestling fan can find a fault with it. Personally I sometimes wish I was a mark so I could just enjoy the product for what it is instead of nitpicking every little thing.

Take the Rock coming back for example. I see a lot of people complaining about this whole situation. There are people upset the Rock said he would never leave and most likely will, there are people that wish the program could be better, there are people who complain the Miz is being overshadowed by the Rock and Cena and there are people who feel Cena doesn't belong in the same ring as the Rock.

Frankly I think people should stop complaining and just enjoy it for what it is. The Rock and Cena is a DREAM matchup so why shit all over it. The Rock doesn't owe the fans anything and did went to Hollywood because he wanted to, I'm sure EVERY wrestler in the back would do the same, hell even guys like Hogan, Austin, Bret Hart and HHH have openly admitted they would do it if given the chance so why are people so bitter about the Rock, because he was given that chance and took it? Are they mad about the Rock saying he will never abandon the wrestling fans? NEWS FLASH, wrestling is a show and what happens on camera is 99.9% kayfabe, we can't take everything wrestlers say to heart, that would be like hating Schwarzenegger for abandoning acting to become governor especially since he was plent Anti-government in a lot of his movies. The way I see it is we get a dream feud that we thought would never happen and wrestling fans should just enjoy it for what it is instead of analyzing it to the point we hate it. Can't we just be happy the Rock is back for the little time he is there. If he came back and sucked I would understand but he's done great since being back, so far its like the Rock hasn't lost a step so why complain about it?

Thats a good example but you can really say that about anything from the Miz's title reign (which really hasn't been that bad), to the lack of current big stars (although there is plenty of great talent out there), to so many anti-Cena fans (although he works 10x harder than anybody), to even CM Punk in some aspects, it just seems like wrestling fans in general trash the living hell out of wrestling in one aspect or another instead of simply enjoying it for what it is.

Wrestling is in a transitional stage so growing pains are inevitable (like the lack of big stars) and yes there is a lot of crap in wrestling but there is also a lot of great things about wrestling that us fans constantly crap over. For example, I don't like TNA, but I don't watch TNA either so I certainly don't torture myself just to bitch about it. Some things I have to mention (like the whole Jeff Hardy situation) but for the most part I don't pay attention to TNA, I mostly just watch and focus on all the good stuff wrestling gives us (like Morrison, Miz, Rock vs. Cena, AJ Styles, Beer Money Inc, ROH, ect.) and try not to dwell on everything thats wrong with the wrestling business.

I'm not saying that its not our right as fans to complain, and I certainly have no problem when fans crap over everything that is actually crap, but it seems to me that wrestling fans just crap over EVERYTHING. I'm just saying that us wrestling fans would be a lot happier and better off if we didn't over analyze every little thing and just enjoyed the product for what it is. I used to crap all over wrestling, but now I just want to enjoy wrestling and if there is nothing about the product I like, well there is always wrestling tapes and DVD's.

So what do you guys think, do fans take things too seriously? Do they constantly crap over every little thing? If you disagree with me by all means say so, all I ask is don't be a douche about it and defend your point.

 

[RatedRockstar]

Your right, 100% we can enver be totally happy, im a huge edge and jomo fan, i complain that Jomo is getting a slow push even though he is on the rise. I should just be happy about it...Edge is champion yet i bitch when he gets beat up once every couple weeks, even though he wins the match i complain about WWE being too good to del rio. I love Christian, he comes back and wins a bunch of matches. Then, i complain because he isnt in the mania main event when i should be grateful hes back from injury and is on the winning track, those are just 3 things where im being far too greedy

 

[itssoeasy123]

Becuase, quite frankly some can never be satisfited. I mean, look at Alberto Dle Rio winning the Royal Rumble, Miz winning the WWE Championship. It's all the same becuase eventually people start to dislike the fact that either who their pushing is not the person they want to be pushed, or it's against their fantasy booking desires. Either, or. It's disturbing.

CM Punk (I'm using him as an exmaple becuase he is like God on the forum's) can go undefeated for 2 year's while holding a Champipnship and people won't be mad at all, but when he loses it "he's being buried, he sohuld've won!" Of ocurse, if Cena held it for two year's, it would be (for them) disgraceful and wrong.

It's all about personal taste, but some times it get's too much. Just because a guy loses doesn't mean he's getting bured. Just becuase a guy loses a few matches doesn't mean he's in the doghouse. People can lose matches!

If anything hapen's that's not their way, it's either horrible or their not watching anymore. It's ridiculous. The fantasy booking is a large problem in the IWC today. The fantasy book everythnig, and if it does'nt go their way, "this sucks, this should'nt happen, Vince is an idiot, what I said sohuld've happened!"

Most of he wreslting fan's today are either casual WWE or TNA mark's, or indy fan's who think Roderick Strong is the best wrestler in the world. TNA mark's hate WWE becuase GOd know's why. I hate TNA becuase it's a horrible writen television show, and I can state flaw's in WWE, a TNA can't state any flaw's in the entire show. It can be a 2 hour promo with Hogan and Bischoff which goes absolutely nowhere, and the TNA mark's will be like, "atleast it's not Cena".

Most of the IWC is either Youtube shooters, who's wreslting IQ is maximum a 5, who say they think Bruno Sammartino's a great wrestler without seeing atleast one match of his, and think ROH is the best show ever. Or, it's forum member's who just can't be satified with absolutley anything and fantasy book their way through a show. And if it does'nt go their way, you'll hear about it. They'll probably have the classic "I'm not watching WWE anymore, but they'll comment on next week's RAW anyway.

And then there's the bitter Attitude Era mark's who watch with no contention of being satisfied, but they bash it all night, becuase thre's no Stone Cold, or it's PG. They still live in ther mom's basement, and they've never felt the touch of a women. They still watch old RAW's from 1998 to wish the "glory day's would come back." In reality, they can't move on.

 

[BTLion1990]

There's too much of a diversity of fans that somebody will always find something. I remember a post about the change in the colour of RAW's ring ropes. People want nostalgic but fresh products. Problem is, more often than not one overrides the other. People say Del Rio isn't deserving of the Rumble win (Fresh movement) but if HHH would've won (nostalgic) people would've moaned.

As long as their is a valid reason behind the ''complaint'' it is fair enough, it's the relevance of the argument that often makes me laugh.

 

[GrandSword]

I think constructive complaining is fine because the people who spend their time on these boards do so because they love the business and really want some great stuff, especially after the fact they know what the wrestling companies are capable of.

2 examples.

1/ WWE- In the 90's fans were spolit with the great stuff that Austin and Rock brought every night. These two guys were very talented but were also in the right place at the right time. Both guys very much anti-heroes, bad asses and ego maniacs but fought heels. In the 90s this was cool and the WWF took advantage of this.

For example if you look at the 90s action movies or comic books they are all dark and gritty. The Crow, or X-Men or whatever were this anti-establishment pop culture that wa spopular and it worked well. The fan base grew up inot the 18-30 year olds. These fans have now moved on and the PG era needed to be created to brng forth a new generation of fans. The cycle will continue I'm sure when they grow up.

But alot of people don't like the PG era and will complain about it, but it is a long term formulae that will ensure the longevity of the WWE brand and it si smart marketing.

Fans still want that attitude era stuff but it's stale and in this new decade it doesn't really work. Today's action movies or comics have more bright colours and more good guys eg. Tron Legacy and Avatar.

2/ TNA in 2005-2006 was off the charts very good. The X Division was in full flight with new and exciting style matches. It had a diversity also with Sonjay, Lethal, Petey, Shelley, Daniels, AJ, Homicide, Sabin, Kazarian, Bentley it had a great roster. Then there was Samoa Joe that came in and he may have bulldozed these guys but he did it so entertaningly and put on great matches, they weren't just squashes.

The Tag div was on fire and then your heavyweight div had guys like Sting who brought in a huge fan base against the heel Jarrett, Christian made his debut and exciting new talent like Abyss, Lance Hoyt, Monty Brown was doing well.

It was a total alternative to the WWE and the fans liked that it was all about wrestling. I mean what about the Styles/Daniels vs. LAX feud, what a grudge matches they had over the titles. the very things wrestling should be about...

but now TNA has gone into a new direction, with Bischoff and Hogan going the sports entertainment route. The original fans beleived in TNA's original vision and not what it has become. So fans complain, they see too many 30 minute promos from Bischoff, and not enough new stars putting on a different style of wrestling than the WWE was/is doing.


The two examples above show that the fans know how good each company can be but their new directions are not to their taste and therefore they beleive that they can do better and therefore comaplin about the current product.

 

[JGlass]

Ahhh a little complaining is fine, especially with a form of entertainment as interactive as wrestling. As embarrassing as it is for us wrestling fans, we actually share quite a bit in common with the soap opera community in that they are also very vocal about the twists and turns in their programs of choice.

WWE and soap operas are similar because they have character jump back and forth between being good and bad, their stories focus on different characters at different times, and they are episodic programs that update on a very regular basis.

The fans of both programs are very vocal about their opinions because they all want to see a specific thing, and often times they aren't seeing what they want, even if others are. That is why the IWC exists, it's a a community of people who have similar opinions and aren't getting what they want, so they discuss it/complain about it online.

 

[thedukeofpearls]

Becuase, quite frankly some can never be satisfited. I mean, look at Alberto Dle Rio winning the Royal Rumble, Miz winning the WWE Championship. It's all the same becuase eventually people start to dislike the fact that either who their pushing is not the person they want to be pushed, or it's against their fantasy booking desires. Either, or. It's disturbing.

CM Punk (I'm using him as an exmaple becuase he is like God on the forum's) can go undefeated for 2 year's while holding a Champipnship and people won't be mad at all, but when he loses it "he's being buried, he sohuld've won!" Of ocurse, if Cena held it for two year's, it would be (for them) disgraceful and wrong.

It's all about personal taste, but some times it get's too much. Just because a guy loses doesn't mean he's getting bured. Just becuase a guy loses a few matches doesn't mean he's in the doghouse. People can lose matches!

If anything hapen's that's not their way, it's either horrible or their not watching anymore. It's ridiculous. The fantasy booking is a large problem in the IWC today. The fantasy book everythnig, and if it does'nt go their way, "this sucks, this should'nt happen, Vince is an idiot, what I said sohuld've happened!"

Most of he wreslting fan's today are either casual WWE or TNA mark's, or indy fan's who think Roderick Strong is the best wrestler in the world. TNA mark's hate WWE becuase GOd know's why. I hate TNA becuase it's a horrible writen television show, and I can state flaw's in WWE, a TNA can't state any flaw's in the entire show. It can be a 2 hour promo with Hogan and Bischoff which goes absolutely nowhere, and the TNA mark's will be like, "atleast it's not Cena".

Most of the IWC is either Youtube shooters, who's wreslting IQ is maximum a 5, who say they think Bruno Sammartino's a great wrestler without seeing atleast one match of his, and think ROH is the best show ever. Or, it's forum member's who just can't be satified with absolutley anything and fantasy book their way through a show. And if it does'nt go their way, you'll hear about it. They'll probably have the classic "I'm not watching WWE anymore, but they'll comment on next week's RAW anyway.

And then there's the bitter Attitude Era mark's who watch with no contention of being satisfied, but they bash it all night, becuase thre's no Stone Cold, or it's PG. They still live in ther mom's basement, and they've never felt the touch of a women. They still watch old RAW's from 1998 to wish the "glory day's would come back." In reality, they can't move on.

This was epic in so many ways.

I myself have always wondere why wrestling fans narrow down WWE's standard to just The Attitude Era, and indeed there are a plethora of fans willing to criticize matches which transpired in the past without prior knowledge of anything. Without saying too much, the internet fanbase's perspective is either hit or miss.