Save WCW

Mighty NorCal

SHALL WE BEGIN?
I, like many, wish WCW still existed, and was still thriving. I wish the war still waged weekly. I miss the cruisers, miss it all.

So, everyone has varying ideas on what killed WCW. Well, thats fine, its not really what im looking for here. I think we can all agree that when the changed the logo, was around the time that WCW started to go in the shitter. Oh well, everyone select a point, and start changing things. How would YOU have saved WCW, and hopefully still have it going now?

1. Sting wins clean at Starrcade - and I mean just utterly beats the shit out of Hogan. None of that screwy shit. Just straight up a Sting win.

2. No various NWO/NWOish factions - not even an entire roll of toilet paper saves them. Shit. such shit. Sting, Luger, all them boys. They STAY WCW.

3. Bret Hart - USEEEE him. for fucking goodness sakes. they HAD a perfect storyline made FOR them by vince. The uncrowned, bitter champion, who got screwed. Why it the PISS is this guy competeing for the US title? Why is he a part of a faction? He should be a stand alone guy. A truly dynamic, fantastic worker, utterly wasted.

4. no WCW "attitude" or whacky shit - I think when it REALLY started to suck was when they tried to compete with WWE doing the same shit they did. WCW should have patterned itself as alternative, and not competition. I enjoyed WCW SO FUCKING MUCH when it was more good ol boy type wrestling show, and didnt try to do the obscene, explicit, and utterly ridiculous shit WWE was doing. No heel/face turns that happen mulitple times in one show, no absurdly stupid Vince Russo characters, fleshed out old school booked storylines. SUCH a fucking laundry list.

These posts could continue for fucking eternity. So please, guys, your thoughts.
 
Despite the bad quality of programming the last few months if it's existence, it's ultimate downfall was that AOL/Time Warner wanted nothing to do with wrestling. Now, as far as I'm concerned, the storylines in the WCW at the time weren't as bad as some of the angle we're seeing on Raw right now.

I sincerely feel that if Eric Bischoff buys the WCW like he originally planned on doing, and found a network to air it...WCW would have lasted longer and maybe even into today. Mind you, the WCW still had Booker T, Sting, Scott Steiner, Nash, Goldberg, Flair, Mysterio, Chavo, Raven, The Misfits, and countless others. It was a strong roster that would have competed with the WWE.

My idea is that Eric Bischoff buys WCW, puts it on either USA, and mind you, USA didn't air Monday Night Raw during this time, it was on TNN/Spike TV. If Bischoff buys the WCW, has it on USA...it could have made it. And even if the WWE somehow screwed the WCW out of their deal on USA, there's still Spike TV, and even TNT again. A new start with some fresh faces and stories on a new network would have done them well. I elminate Hogan from the equation. He's the all time best, but his politics were ruining a good locker room. I'd also limit the amount of booking done by the actual wrestlers and limit that to Bischoff, Russo, and whomever was a road agent back then. Seriously, WCW could have worked if it had the backing of a major corporation like it did when it was on TNT and TBS.

I miss the old WCW.
 
Where, oh where, to start. First, I'd have said "Ya know what, Kevin Sullivan, if keeping Chris Benoit, Perry Saturn, Dean Malenko & Eddie Guerrero means firing you.. sorry, you're fired." I know it was a shit situation, and likely not the full reasoning behind their leave.. but for Benoit at least, it was a major reason.

Second, enough with the Hulk Hogan, Hollywood Hogan transition..

When the n.W.o. ran it's course (in 1998) after the split; White and Red factions had one final war, which SHOULD'VE taken place in the Fall Brawl - War Games cage match, mind you.. I'd of said.. okay, enough is enough, let's each go our own way.

Hogan would've returned to the Red and Yellow, kept the Hollywood name (maybe), Hall & Nash would've reunited in an effort to save the Tag division back then. Sting & Luger would've moved back into a friendship/tag team stage - yet both been very note-worthy in the Main Event scene. (Sting would've never went to red face paint, either)

Konnan, and practically everyone that held up the n.W.o White colors would've been moved into the United States and Television divisions.

I would NOT have ended Goldberg's streak by having Nash defeat him, via a fucking taser gun. It would've been clean, to Sting, Hogan, or someone ELSE I would've been building up. (Like, say Benoit) Just because he was undefeated, didn't fucking mean the only way he could lose would be via cheating. Screw that..

I wouldn't have taken focus off the Cruiserweight division, but at the same time, I would NOT have added a secondary Cruiserweight Tag Team Championship, either.

On the same note of Championships' I'd have never created.. their version of the Hardcore Championship - I'd have thrown that shit in the trash, where it belonged. Hardcore matches were fine.. when guys like Sandman (Hak), Raven, Bam Bam Bigelow and other guys who left roughly right before they took charge in their Hardcore title, began.

I loved the New Blood storyline, and I would've continued with it.. yet slightly altered it. The "Old School/Millionaires Club" ran Hogan as this Terry Bollea normal guy.. who was dropping matches to Billy, cruiserweight sized, Kidman. :wtf: I'm a big Kidman fan, but even I knew he had no place in Pay per view matches against Hulk Hogan.. even as some "normal old man".

I'd have ran the Ric Flair/Shane Douglas feud a bit further, since there was real, true, heat there. Sting/Vampiro ran it's course after two Pay per views. So I wouldn't have ran it as long as it went on. I WOULD HAVE ran with Jarrett/Booker T being the face of my next Main Eventer's though. And I WOULD HAVE fired Hogan's ass on the spot, similar to how Russo did it.. if he refused to job to Jarrett, on the basis of "He's not in my league".

I would've KEPT the Four Horsemen in some way. While I'd have wanted Ric Flair to be the guy leading them.. I'd of built some type of "passing the torch" moment, in which Flair would've found a successor. I'd of wanted it to be Benoit though, mostly and mainly.

I'm pretty damn sure I wouldn't have made a mockery of Jim Ross with Ed Ferrera, by way of "Oklahoma". And I'm definitely sure I wouldn't have tarnished my fucking Cruiserweight division and Championship, but giving it to him, or Madusa. Same with the David Arquette/World title disaster.

I'm pretty sure for the most part, I'd have completely re-written and scrapped a good 80-90% of everything from 1999-2001. Especially 99 and early 2000, until the New Blood up-rising.

Edit: I'd have also decided in the best interest of my Company, to actually USE Bret Hart instead of randomly having him be a shadow to Hulk Hogan.. then give him a Championship, after and ONLY because his brother died - in an effort to keep him.

Bret Hart, Sting & Chris Benoit, not to mention Booker T, Dean Malenko & Eddie Guerrero would've had epic encounters if I had control over that.
 
I, like many, wish WCW still existed, and was still thriving. I wish the war still waged weekly. I miss the cruisers, miss it all.
1. Sting wins clean at Starrcade - and I mean just utterly beats the shit out of Hogan. None of that screwy shit. Just straight up a Sting win.

Fuckin right, that's when first started to go down hill in my opinion. I grew in south Ga(hence my name) watching the NWA/WCW. A part of me died when WCW died. Can how I felt having to sit there watch Booker T. and the rest get treated like second rate stars and WCW get treated like a second rate company when in fact WCW was the reason Vince had to change his formula! I'm still pissed about that.

1. Elevate some fucking new NON-WWE castoffs to the main event besides Goldberg. Jericho would have been still there if not for that shit!

2. Don't turn Goldberg heel! Seriously, what the fuck?

3. Kill the NWO( in 1999) and let it STAY dead!

4. Spotlight the cruiser weights! That division was insane with talent!

5. No finger poke pin falls!

6. Don't tell Sid jump off the top rope.

7. No worked shoots!

8. No David Arquette or Vince Russo as champion!

9. Stop having Hogan beat Macho Man for the title on Nitro!

10. No Judy Bagwell!

11. Stop having the cruisers jerk the curtain.

12. No phony ass "hardcore" matches.

13. Uncle Eddie in the main event!

I could go on for ever!
 
Agree with all of the above and I'll elaborate on those, but the fourth one happened once WCW was more or less dead. Nothing was going to save it once it reached that point, nothing whatsoever.

1. A-FREAKING-MEN. WCW came to a screeching halt the second Hogan came through the curtain. For a year and a half Hogan had been scared to death of Sting. He was the one man that Hogan had never faced and he was the one man that Hogan knew could take the title from him at the drop of a hat. If it were up to me, Hogan should have been dragged to the ring like a man being led to the gallows, maybe even having a WCW mob carry him to the ring on their shoulders as he is desperately trying to escape. Instead what happens? Hogan struts down to the ring, using the damn title as a guitar like he's about to face Lash Leroux. Sting's aura was dead in the water.

Now let's get to the match itself. This crowd was so hot it was about to burst into flames. The buildup for this had never been approached before: for a year and a half we had built to this one moment. The final battle between good versus evil, the war to end all wars, and the chance for Sting to finally take the WCW title back where it belongs. The bell rings. The crowd's breath goes in. This is gonna be good.

*five seconds pass*

Hogan is dominating. I was 9 years old and my image of pro wrestling innocence was shattered. Even I knew this was absolutely wrong. What was I watching? Hogan is running through Sting like he's not even there. OH WAIT, HERE COMES STING!!! He's gonna kill Hogan now. He's using..........a headlock? Within two minutes Hogan's style has killed the crowd dead, period. They took a crowd that would have gone apeshit over Hugh Morris vs. Alex Wright and had them begging for a PBS special on the history of Q-tips to end their boredom.

Now let's move onto the finish. Hogan kicks Sting in the head, drops the big leg, and pins him clean. For those of you that haven't heard the history, here was the new plan that for some reason that I'm not sure God himself understands. Nick Patrick, the referee, had been very biased towards the NWO in the recent months. He was supposed to make a fast count, leading to Bret Hart running down and saying he wouldn't let this become Montreal all over again (not in those words but that was the idea). Two things caused this clusterfuck of a plan to fall apart: Patrick counts a relatively normal count, and Hart is there before the bell rings. With Patrick counting normal speed, it looks like Sting just got pinned in a normal match. The announcers don't bring up Patrick's heel tactics, and they touch on it being a fast count. They don't have time because instead of Hart running down to the ring like he was supposed to, he was already there, so he stops the bell from ringing about two seconds after the pin. He says it won't happen again, which makes no sense to non-WWF fans, or to wrestling fans in general. Since he was a referee earlier in the night, he is apparently has refereeing powers all night, so he jumps in as referee. Sting hits the splash, the scorpion, and he gets the title to end the show. Two weeks later, the title is held up vacant, and Sting FINALLY pins Hogan clean in LATE FEBRUARY (this was three days after Christmas) at Superbrawl.

The whole thing just made no sense and everyone saw that it was nothing but a way to get the buyrate for Superbrawl up. Hogan and the NWO should have died then and there. Hogan should have disappeared until about June before coming back in the red and yellow, begging for the fans' forgiveness while Sting slowly accepts the fans again and becomes the surfer or at least a normal looking wrestler. Instead, it's the same things over and over again. All the fans, myself included, had their intelligence insulted. I and many other fans I knew at the time started watching Raw and loved what we were seeing, because it wasn't WCW. I never left.

2. I'm going to go with a tangent of this but say instead the NWO angle as a whole. It was one of if not the greatest ideas of all time: turn Hulk Hogan heel. That's what the initial idea was and it blew anything else at the time away. The ratings and the buyrates are proof taht this was a gold mine. However, WCW never figured out when to say enough was enough. The NWO went on nearly four years, when it should have been lucky to make it to two.

The WCW/NWO name was just stupid, the old school WCW stuff was insulted, and the NWO collapsed under its own weight. Trying to make guys like Stevie Ray and Virgil big time heels was just a terrible idea. There was almost nothing else going on but WCW vs. NWO and it got old. In WWF, while there were mega stories going in the main event, they were seperate from the rest of the show. If you didn't like Austin vs. VInce, there were all kinds of other things to get into. That's what made the Attitude Era so fun for me: you had to see the whole show because you didn't know what little thing you were going to miss.

Also, Norcal is right: there was no need for the factions inside the factions. Hall, Nash and X-Pac were the wolfpack. That's all well and good, but eventually you had people jumping from team to team left and right to the point where you needed a fucking scorecard to tell who was on which side. The heel turns and face turns were just stupid as the roster was way too big. No one cared about half the people on these teams as no one could keep up with them, so we threw up our hands and changed the channel.

3. Better use of the roster. This was a huge one as so many huge names were on WCW at varying times and most of them were gone within a year. The following people worked for WCW at one time or another: Steve Austin, HHH, Undertaker, Mick Foley, AJ Styles, Raven, Edge, Benoit, Jericho, Mysterio, Kane and an army of cruiserweights and midcarders. I know I'm missing a lot, but look at those names. that's eleven world champions. Now I know the main argument here is that Stunning Steve Austin wrestled for WCW and not Stone Cold. Ok, that's very true indeed. However, are you really going to argue that WCW simply couldn't make something out of all those guys? No way I'll ever believe that.

WCW's pecking order was so absurd that no one would ever get a break. In the entire time of WCW's mega run, two guys, DDP and Goldberg, went from midcard to main event, with Goldberg being based off literally the same angle the entire time. I went to a WCW house show one night where Hogan was scheduled to defend the world title against an unadvertised opponent. Apparently, that opponent was to be Chris Benoit, but Hogan backed out at the last minute with an "unspecified" injury. Instead, Randy Savage wrestled Benoit in what was at least a thirty minute classic. Why not that match on Nitro or headlining a PPV? Those two tore the fucking house down and got a standing ovation from the crowd.

Monday night rolled around and Benoit wasn't on the show, while Savage wrestled a two minute match with the NWO running in for a group beatdown. Why not let those young guys break through? There were so many fresh matches in there that I can't count them all. Listen to some of these possibilities and tell me you're not intrigued: Savage vs. Raven, Benoit vs. Nash, Jericho vs. Hogan. Any of those seem interesting to you? They certainly do to me. Instead we got such showdowns as Sting vs. Hogan 9, Nash vs. Giant 3, and Hogan vs. Sting 10. You could literally watch a Nitro from three different years and see the same main event without knowing any time had passed. Just a waste.

4. The Fingerpoke of Doom. This seemed like nothing, but it had so many reprecussions to go along with it. For those of you that don't know the story, Goldberg's world title reign had been ended at Starrcade (WCW's Wrestlemania) by Kevin Nash with the help of Scott Hall. The rematch was scheduled for Nitro. Goldberg, earlier in the night, was arrested for stalking Elizabeth. Instead, we get Hogan vs. Nash for the title, which I don't think had ever happened. The main event starts, they circle each other, and Hogan literally taps Nash in the chest, Nash goes down, Hogan wins the title, again turning heel and reforming the NWO.

Number One: it killed the WCW Title's credibility. Nash now looks like someone that is willing to lay down the title as it's apparently not important enough to fight for. He doesn't want to actually have to face Hogan, so he sides with him instead.

Number Two: it reforms the NWO, which should have been dead for a year at this point. No one wanted to see this come back, yet it did anyway. Goldberg was supposed to do what Sting was supposed to do and go through the NWO one by one and destroy them, but that never happened. Goldberg ran in after the match and got beaten down like so many others had been. Over the next few months, the NWO kept defecting and having all kinds of civil wars that was again, the same thing over and over again.

Number Three: Face loses again. Goldberg's assault at the end of the show was another in the line of faces getting destroyed by the NWO. In wrestling, the face wins in the end. Good triumphs over evil, and the heel retreats to fight another battle while the face stands alone on top of the mountain until he has to face another opponent. In WCW, that time never came, and the few times it tried to come, it never lasted. Goldberg, Luger, Sting etc., all were the face that the fans were begging for but in the end, it was the NWO and the heels winning out. People flat out got sick of it. When you watch any form of entertainment, the good guy is supposed to win in the end. That's just how it works, especially in wrestling. The trials and pain that the face goes through on his way to the victory is what makes it all the sweeter in the end. If the heels never lose, there's no triumphant and defining victory for the faces, and therefore no great warm and fuzzy moment. Goldberg, a mega face, was viewed as just another guy that couldn't save the day, and therefore, the year spent building him up and all the emotional investment the fans had put into him was viewed as a waste of time and efford.

Number Four: False Advertising. All night long the build up had been the main event rematch and blah blah blah. On that same night, Mankind was winning the WWF Title from the Rock on a taped show. WCW, for some reason that God alone knows, mentions this on the air. According to Mick Foley,, when that was mentioned 300,000 homes switched to Raw. That is bad, but the worse part is that after Foley wins the title, a bunch of those people flipped back, meaning they wanted to see WCW's main event as well. So, after they see a great moment and an exciting finish to Raw, they wanted to give WCW a chance to match it. That tells me that the fans cared about WCW still, and wanted to see them succeed or at least have a chance to do so. Had the fans not known what was coming on Raw, the failure of Nitro would have nothing to be compared to, and the Fingerpoke looks far less bad by comparison.

While there are other reasons that I'll save for later, I think the main insult of WCW's deciline was simple: It could have worked. It was a miserable failure, but it could ahve been made to work. the things holding it back are so small but they had such long reaching aftermaths that the whole thing just collapsed. WCW could have been saved so many times but at the end of the day it keeps coming back to one simple problem: they wouldn't change. Time after time things were always the same and people just got sick of seeing it. It's that simple. People got tired of watching the same thing and they wanted something different. Saving WCW was easy: all WCW had to do was listen to the people and use their heads for once and I would be headed to Nitro in 12 days, or at least making sure I taped it.
 
1. Sting wins clean at Starrcade - and I mean just utterly beats the shit out of Hogan. None of that screwy shit. Just straight up a Sting win.

This is first and foremost. WCW is perfect up this point. Put over Sting at Starrcade cleanly (in fact, in complete domination, if you ask me) and then give him at least a nine month to year run with the belt. The first few months of that run you have him completely disable the nWo. And while you're doing this, build new stars such as Raven, Chris Jericho, Rey Mysterio, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, DDP, ect. (No Goldberg)

And by the time Sting is ready to drop the belt, you have a new, fresh heel (Raven or Chris Jericho) to hand the company to until another super babyface is over with the crowd and could handle being the face of the company. And you keep the Hulk Hogans and Kevin Nashs around and give them a role that's similar to what Shawn Michaels and The Undertaker does today. That way, you have great balance between new and old stars.

One of WCW's biggest problems towards the end of their run was that their best matches were at the start of the show, and nearly all their main events ended up being completely shit. The months after Starrcade 1997, you slowly make the transition of legends wrestling the mid-card bouts, and the new stars, who know how to put on matches worthy of being called main events, to end the show.

You do all this, and in my opinion, WCW is still around today.
 
Absolutely brilliant thread by all involved, the scenarios and possibilities would all have worked and we would still have WCW around today. I'm going off in another direction though, after Vince bought WCW, why in he hell didn't he keep it around as a separate brand to begin with ? I know all about brand recognition and how it would have made little sense for the WWE to try and keep two brands popular, but at the time of the takeover, WCW already had established a name for itself, so upkeep would not have been too costly. What would the WWE have gained from running their own competition you may ask. Well, instead of having RAW vs Smackdown! they could have had RAW vs Nitro, instead of a competition between the same brand, they could have had a kayfabe war between brands, without the need to bury either brand since they were both Vince owned and it would have made perfect sense to keep both brands profitable.That's what I expected to happen, for some reason, they didn't do that, I suspect ego had a lot to do with it. In business, it's not unusual for a company to buy out their competition but keep the name of the former competitor's brand alive, mostly because that brand has a customer base and they plan to keep it, apparently, Vince just didn't give a damn about WCW fans. Vince did bring back the ECW brand, that didn't work out too well, but he could bring back WCW if he's willing to let it rise back up or fall based on it's own merit as a separate division of World Wrestling Entertainment without micromanaging it personally into oblivion from the start, I know it's a long shot, but one can always dream.
 
IMO WCW was a cluster fuck the moment Eric Bischoff started throwing Turners money around, he gave wrestlers more leverage then they should have gotten in the first place, think about it most of the guys on the WCW roster should never been allowed to book their own finishes, thats one of the reasons why Hogan was allowed to be so dominante was because he could do what the hell he wanted and that basically kept the majority of talent from moving up, people say Triple H was bad but hogan's WCW run was fucking disgusting.

Now onto what i would do with the Company

Hogans Debut: This is what braught WCW the more mainstream appeal but i would have braught Hogan in without the contractual clause of him deciding his own matches, This would allow more talent to at least get a shot at the World title.


Crappy Storylines:[youtube]clGOhqIQe2Q[/youtube] It was storylines like this that turned me off of the product in the first place, they had no idea how to book proper storylines with the talent they had, I would have gotten a more creative approach and stopped insulting the WCW fans intelligence, it was time for the product to become more fresh and original and stop attempting to rehash old WWE storylines and bad promos from people who should never have been in the main event in the first place, guys like kevin sullivan, man his gimmick stank worse then klunders socks!.

Eric Bischoff: I dont care about how many times Nitro outdid raw it doesnt matter, think about things this way Eric was using Turners money to bring in his buddies friends to relativly high contracts, guys who couldnt work but where taking up space for what reason?, to just look ridiculous, guys like Virgil, ernest Miller, Buff Bagwell, guys who couldnt really do anything, Brutus Beefcake comes to mind also, the guy was repackaged more times then a street corner transexual, there was no need for him to even be apart of the NWO angle apart from the fact that he was hogans friend.

Kept Goldberg in developmental I would never have had Goldberg debute the way he did, the guy was way too dangerous, he had no understanding about the business at all and was only in it for the money, If WCW thought he was that important I would have kept him in developmental until he was able to understand the basics in the ring, remember peoples lives depended on him and he needed to be safe.

The Ultimate Warrior: Man WCW totally fucked up this feud, Bischoff blamed Warrior, Hogan Blamed Warrior, the fact is the whole booking of the angle was stupid and also is partly responsible for the death of Davey Boy smith, the guy injured his back and was told to quit wrestling altogether, Davey instead chose to ride it out and continue to take pills in order to subside the pain, part of the blame is WCWS implimentation of that damn trap door, The warrior wanted to look more and mroe mysterious, it just made him look like a weak little child!.

Elevate talent better: WCW had a wealth of talent, guys who could work and i mean tear the house down, why wouldnt they allow Benoit, Gurerro, Saturn and the rest to shine is beyond me, they rather would push the likes of Six pac and Scott Nortan, Im not being funny but the misuse of talent gave WWE the edge, they still manage to utilize talent to this day instead of allowing certain individuals to keep them down, it wasnt right and it made the company look like a shit fest.

There is more i would do but these are the main points that i would touch on, alot of what has been said prior by everyone here brings the subject to relevance also, the one thing that WCW had was the worst booking and it all laid down on the shoulders of the company itself, guys where getting paid too much for doing too little and it ended up making the product itself suffer, who would care about being world champion if your getting paid the same as the champ?, I know i wouldnt.

The final point i would like to touch on is the ratings, WCW was still pulling a strong 3.0 in regards to ratings when the company was eventually sold and destroyed by the WWE nock off that was the aliance, If they sold the company to a conglomerate they could have maintained steady ratings and maybe have still been alive to this date.
 
The problem with WCW was fat contracts, egos, and no confidence from their parent company. The ONLY way to have saved WCW would have been to hit the reset button on everything: storylines, contracts, roster, everything...a complete re-branding.

Oh yeah...they did try that...

Sorry kids, it just wasn't meant to be for WC...W.

Personally, I grew up watching WCW for the WRESTLING...once it stopped being a WRESTLING show and turned into an entertainment show like RAW, I was done.

"Where's THE DOG when you need him?"
 
I want to thank some of you guys for the memories and a couple I'd like to forget as I wish I hadn't seen them or didn't know they took place because I had already giving up on WCW at that point. For me personally the straw that broke the camel's back with WCW was Jeff Jarrett being in the main event, yet alone title scene. I just fell there were too many STARS and egos to stroke. I was looking through old clips online a while back and found one where Nash(then champion) was arguing backstage with Jarrett and Scott Steiner about who would take the L in a title match between Nash and Steiner. What puzzled me about this situation was they were all in the same faction WTF? As stated already I would have tried to save wCw by getting these egos under control and focusing more on cruiserweights and actual quailty wrestling that was provided by the likes of Lance Storm, Mike Awesome, Kidman, Vampiro etc..
 
- Goldberg. They should've gave him much more time to train and time to learn how the business worked. He practically ended Bret Hart's career for god's sake!

- David Arquette as champion. Kinda speaks for itself.

- Push the younger guys sooner. Near the end of WCW's life, the older guys were beginning to step down and so WCW began a mad rush to pass guys like Jeff Jarrett, DDP, Scott Steiner and Booker T off as main eventers by passing the title between them. Even though guys like Jericho and Benoit were more over than half the main eventers at when they were there.

- Don't use gimmicks like Glacier and the Terminator. I mean, come on. WWE had some bad ones but the gobbldygooker seemed like Steve Austin compared to WCW's worst.

-DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES tell the audience what the competitor is watching. If the WWF comes up with a great idea i.e. Mankind winning the WWF title, people are gonna switch over to see what will be a guarenteed great show rather than the potential shitfest they could be watching on WCW's live show.

-The cruiserweight division was actually good despite what most people in WCW thought. It should've been given more of a chance.

That's all I got for now, but i'll think of some more.
 
WCW fucking rocked, and for anyone to say otherwise is simply a person that didn't get to see it properly, and has seen it through the revisionist viewpoint of the WWE and it's propaganda. WCW was the top company in the world, and it nearly bankrupted Vince McMahon. If AOL/Time Warner kept their stupid business guy sout of it, and proper wrestling minds took it over, then WCW would have been very successful still to this day.

1. First and foremost, the turning point was Starrcade 1997. WCW did nothing wrong up until this point. A lot of people want to blame Hogan for what happened, I say, blame Nick Patrick. Nick Patrick was supposed to fast count Sting, cuasing Hart's interferenc,e instead, he semi fast counts it, and everything is confused from that point on. It actually wasn't that bad of a match, but this mishap by the "senior official' screwed everything up from that point on.

2. End the Fucking NWO: For fuck's sake, NWO Hollywood, NWO b-team, NWO Wolfpack, LWO, NWO 2000. Not only did they go back to the goose that laid the golden egg, they anally raped that bitch, ripped out her ueterus, and then cooked the fucking goose for dinner. The NWO worked, but the NWO should have died, like will said, in a War Games style match in 1998. The NWO got too big for it's own good, and the eventual split was logical, but then to keep going back to it was just stupid.

3. Nash over Goldberg - Finger Poke of Doom: So Hogan goes on TV in November of 98, tells Jay Leno that he is retiring from the business. Starrcade comes up, and Nash beats Goldberg. First of all, you don't have Goldberg lose at big pay per views. Goldberg was the one true superstar that WCW managed to create on their own during the wars, and they pissed his streak away at the biggest pay per view of the year to put the belt on Nash?, ugh. Then the Finger Poke happens, and we all know what happened then. I don' tmind the fingerpoke of doom so much, but it led to the reformation of the NWO again, less then a year after it dissolved, and it really went nowhere.

3. Push the Young Guys: The one thing that I think is undisputable, the WWE can't find tialent worth a shit. Never has the WWE been good at growing it's own talent. The WWE is very good at taking mid card to lower card guys from other companies that get a reaction, repackage them with a Mcmahon approved gimmick, and then pushing them to the moon. WCW on the other hand had a roster stacked with talent, in nearly every single weight division. A whole roster full of talent and wrestlers existed on that roster, but they simply became frustrated because the Main Eventers that were well into their 40's didn't do the right hing and give back to the company. A powerful booker or promoter simply says, you are putting these guys over, or you don't work tonight, plain and simple.

4. Get rid of the Guarantees: Whoever invented the guarantee creative control contract should be shot. There is nothign wrong with established veterans giving INPUT into matches and storlyines, but letting wrestlers have creative control over their character with veto powers over complex storylines is absolutely ridiculous. Again, this is the problem with havinga company that had a lot of money, but nobody that was a wrestling mind. The inmates ran the assylum, and they ran it straight into the fucking ground.

5. Shoot whoever hired Vince Russo: We come to it, the bane of our existance as wrestling fans, the idiot known as Vince Russo. The guy that created the attitude era (his words [looking back, is it really something to gloat about, an era that was all shock an no substance]), the guy that said, fuck the titles, they are maningless and nothing but props. Oh and fuck the Mexicans and their style of wrestling, no one cares about cruiserweight, so take off your mask and lets have a pinata on a pole match. Seriously, Vince Russo was a worthless sack of shit, and ran that company into the ground.


So to summarize, if the old guys were stripped of their creative control clauses, or simply not used if they refused to follow orders, the young guy sbegan to get the rub from the veterans, the cruiserweights were given a proper division to work in, for you now, some fucking variety on the show, then WCW would have done fine. If you had a backer that actually appreciated the product, like a Ted Turner pre-merger, then WCW may still be in business today, and possibly the #1 company once again.

Instead, we get this stupid as monopoly devoid of any creativity and lacking in entertainment that we call the WWE.
 
i have absolutely loved this topic. many great memories quickly and easily three things that needed to be done to save WCW.....
1.get rid of the contracts that guaranteed creative control.
2.FIRE HOGAN IN 98 early 99 at the latest
3.NEVER have hired Russo..as i said in another topic a week or so ago...i have always wondered if Vinny Mac actually sent Russo to WCW to do what he did...destroy
the company.

i really hope that TNA can start to build up here really soon(but i not going to hold my breath) and be able to someday challenge WWE as WCW did so maybe we will start getting great stories as we did during the Monday night Wars
 
Well...I already posted one idea on how the WCW would have managed to stay around, but now, I'm going into the downfalls of why the WCW eventually collapsed under its own weight...

1) N-W-No
It's been mentioned before, but the NWO was just flat out overused. All the wrestlers pissed and moaned about the NWO being all powerful and instead of wanting to get rid of the concept, they wanted to JOIN, thinking it was instant credibility. Backfired. Next thing you know, only DDP and a handful of Luchadores weren't in the NWO. It got too big, too out of control, and too stale. It needed to be broken up a lot sooner than when it was.

2. The faces of WCW
Who was it? Flair? Sting? Luger? Well, the thing is, old school NWA/WCW fans still watched the WCW because Sting, Flair, Luger, and Arn Anderson were still giving it a run at it. When those guys were pushed to the side, the audience decreased. Now, Anderson and Luger weren't all that important, but to have Flair and Sting be second fiddle to Hogan was atrocious and a sign of how big Hogan's ego was. Which goes to my next point...and it's a BOLD one.

3. FIRE HOGAN!
I know it didn't seem possible at the time, but letting Hogan walk would have been the best thing to happen with the WCW when the Bookster became so political backstage that it was hindering other people. The WWE wouldn't have him, because it was the Attitude era and Austin, Rock, nor HHH would job to Hogan, so there's no fear of Hogan sticking it to the WCW. Hogan became a liability when other guys like Benoit, Jericho, Mysterio, and others were being left off TV due to Hogan's 15 minute interviews. And this comes from someone who loved Hogan.

4. NO DAVID ARQUETTE!
I know they're promoting a movie, but you don't put your world title on an actor. A bad one at that. I mean, what if fuckin' Mickey Rourke was all of a sudden on Raw, and he challenged Vince McMahon, HHH, and Cena for the belt, and then Mickey Rourke pinned Vince for the belt? That made me nauseous to think about. But that's what that compares to. Sure The Wrestler's a better movie, but there's no need to do that. And Vince Russo's only comeback was that it made the USA Today. Which leads me to this...

5. Putting a leash on Vince and Ed
Were they funny? Yep. Did they shock you? Yep. Did they get ratings? Fuck no. Making fun of JR, Road Dogg, and others show people that we can't beat you face to face, so we'll just poke fun at your success. If Vince had someone like Bischoff or someone who was over him to OK stuff before it went to TV, then things could have been different. His 'shoots' were bullshit...and eventually backfired on him. And his concept with the Millionaire's Club v/s New Blood was great. REAL great. But it was too little, too late. Which leads me to...

6. Millionaire's Club v/s New Blood 2 years earlier.
Imagine this...Hogan, Sting, Flair, Hall, Nash, Hart, and Savage feuding with Bagwell, Jarrett, Jericho, Benoit, Stasiak, Palumbo, and other ripe talent such as a young AJ Styles, The Yung Dragons, and others? Talk about building some players. This would have been a great concept. Different, and not stale...and guys like Jericho, Benoit, Mysterio and others would have been big BEFORE the WWE. It's a reach, but I like that concept done with actual talent, not Mike Sanders.

So there you go.
 
It's pretty simple.

No Goldberg streak - you can't do better than a streak that long.

No Karl Malone vs anyone.

Bret Hart doesn't translate to modern wrestling (attitude era)

No Sid - also doesn't translate.

Do something with Jericho. They lost one of the best stars that they actually built up themselves.

No 3 hour show - too much writing, obviously they were going to run out of ideas.

No Thursday night Thunder - again - they couldn't deal with just Nitro. Plus they made it look so cheesy.

Speaking of cheesy - with all the money they spent on wrestlers, they should have been spending more on production on a whole. Lighting, stage and costumes can make or break a production of anything, and WWE figured this out. The original poster mentioned when WCW changed their logo is when WCW started to lose it's ground. I disagree - my vcr had already started taping nitro by then and I had started watching RAW when it was on. WCW should have switched that logo to a modern one way before - by the time they did it just looked like a desperate attempt to get viewers and out of touch with modern wrestling.

There are so many reasons why WCW failed. I could write all day. :)
 

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