Round 8: Spoodbeest -vs- Unsex

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  1. D-Man

    D-Man Gone but never forgotten.

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    Does TNA need Paul Heyman to improve their product?

    This is a eighth round match in the Debater's League. Spoodbeest is the home debater and gets to choose which side of the debate they will be on and who debates first, but they have 24 hours to make their choice.

    This thread is for DEBATERS ONLY and will end on Friday at 2pm EST.

    Anyone that posts in this thread besides the debaters, league admins, and judges will be infracted!

    Good luck.​
     
  2. SpoodBeest

    SpoodBeest City Dweller, Successful Fella

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    I will debate on the side of Paul Heyman should be on TNA's creative team to make a better product and Remix can go first.
     
  3. Remix

    Remix Is a thin rope

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    Why Paul Heyman isn't needed for TNA to improve their product.

    Introduction

    TNA is a company with many problems, the booking is the root of most of them. Poorly thought out angles, pushing crappy wrestlers and things that make no fucking sense are just a few of TNA's problems. TNA's current booking strategy (or lack thereof) isn't working, and won't enable them to become the number 1 wrestling company. Something needs to change, but Paul Heyman isn't the man who should be making them for a number of reasons, which I'll go into in a moment.

    Logic and reason is needed more than any person

    A large part of TNA's problem is that their booking makes no sence to the average person. A healthy dose of logic would solve this problem. Anybody with common sence could supply this logic and reason, not just Heyman. In short, Heyman isn't needed to fix most of TNA's problems with the booking.

    Paul Heyman is not a successful booker

    Paul Heyman is one of wrestling's figures with a very devided opinion about him. He's either a genius, or an overrated fool. His supporters put forward that ECW was a revolution in the pro wrestling buisness. His detractors point out that ECW went bankrupt. ECW was indeed a revolution in the pro wrestling buisness, but once ECW started the ball rolling, other companies took their ideas and improved them. ECW introduced Luncha Libre to an American audience. WCW took ECW's Lunchadores and made the Cruiserweight division, something WCW is still fondly remembered for. ECW introduced the Bear drinking, cursing badasses. WWF created the Attitude Era and Stone Cold Steve Austin. Heyman comes up with great ideas, but it takes other men to profit from them.

    In addition, Paul Heyman books beyond his means. He charges forward without no regard to how he's going to support himself afterwards. He gets national PPVs, he gets on cable TV but what happens? His shows don't cut it. The ratings and buys are poor and ECW gets canned.

    Heyman is as good as gthe tallent he surrounds himself with. TNA has tallent in abundence, but for how long? How long will the tallent put up with him attempting to reach a level that they can't sustain. How long until the tallented workers have enough of being shocking for the sake of being shocking? How long until working frequent hardcore matches takes their tallent too far and injuries become an epidemic? How long until Heyman's booking kills another company?

    Conclusion

    Paul Heyman is one of the most overrated figues in Wrestling history. His revolutionalry ideas were not a success until other men took them on board and made them a success. TNA doesn't need to be different right now. It doesn't need to be the first promotion in America to do anything. It needs to be injected with industrial strength logic. When the cancerous booking is sorted, then it can try to be revolutionary. TNA right now needs to walk, not run. Heyman won't walk with TNA, he'll get it in a dragster and let it rip, forgetting to deploy the parachute and cause the company to die in a fireball. Just like ECW.
     
  4. SpoodBeest

    SpoodBeest City Dweller, Successful Fella

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    Why Paul Heyman would produce a better Product

    1.TNA shows no signs of improving

    Lets take a little gander at their current creative team for a moment shall we? We have Vince Russo as the head booker in creative, and Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff collaborating with him. It was the collaboration of these three egos that essentially burnt the WCW empire to the ground. And since they have come together as a "creative" team things have gone from bad to worse for TNA. Dutch Mantel and Jeff Jarrett also were never a great team for creating material that interested fans. Creative has always been a trouble for TNA and with schmucks like these writing the shows with same tiresome crap week after week things will not change and fans will lose interest. Russo is a man who thinks all of his ideas are good ones and that he knows what the wrestling fan "wants" but in reality he is always making the wrong decisions and hurts a company without even realizing it. Things have gone downhill since he became a head writer for TNA in 2007.

    2. Paul Heyman is an excellent booker

    Look if Paul Heyman could book a entire wrestling show in three in the morning from some parking lot and week after week could broaden his fan base to his rather unknown and small promotion then he must have been doing something right. He built a legacy around a promotion that barely went on for ten years. These fans still remember what a show it was and they still appreciate it to this day. Sure he made a couple of little mistakes back in the day like not pushing Rob Van Dan properly and what not. He wasn't the greatest business man either as the smalle promotion did file for bankruptcy but he wouldn't be in charge of the business aspect would he? No he would create concepts that the average wrestling fans would like to see. He could help TNA push the right guys, who for the most part they have no idea how to use. Heyman would help in that aspect, because so far TNA just seem to be looking at a number of talented guys with a dumbfounded look as if they don't know what do with them, look at their X-Division for an example. I'm sure he would also cut the old fogies who can't contribute anymore when it comes to ring performance, something that the current staff right now seem like they don't have the balls to do so.

    Final Statement

    Would bringing in Heyman help save TNA over night? Of course not that would be absurd to think. However I think that if he was in charge of TNA's creative for a year or so we would see some drastic changes. Heyman is a guy who knows just about every aspect of the creative side of professional wrestling. TNA has perhaps the best roster out there in terms of wrestler, Heyman being the smart guy he is would exploit that and push TNA in a much more positive direction than it's going in at this stage of the game.
     
  5. Cena's Little Helper

    Cena's Little Helper Mid-Card Championship Winner

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    Clarity of debate: Draw
    Nicely organize posts on both of your parts.

    Punctuality: Draw
    Spoodbeast could have won this competition had he posted his opening argument a few hours earlier. Alas, the point is split.

    Informative: Draw
    Both of you guys were seriously lacking in information. Also, it seems as if, factually speaking, one of you has to be wrong. Remix argues that Heyman was not a successful booker while Spoodbeast argues that this is not the case. Why weren't one of you able to call the other one out, or to at least seriously question their definition of a successful booker?

    Persuasion: Draw
    Read what I wrote above.

    Final Score
    Remix: 2.5
    Spoodbeast: 2.5
     
  6. Phoenix

    Phoenix WZCW's First Triple Crown Champion

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    Clarity of debate: Draw
    Great organisation and understanding of the Debate.

    Punctuality: Draw
    Like Tdigs said, taking over 24 hours on both halves draws this one.

    Informative: Draw
    Again, what Tdigs said, nothing solid was given aside from the norm.

    Persuasion: Draw
    The debate never really got underway and I can't really award the points to either competitor as they gave about the same output here

    Final Score
    Spoodbeest: 2.5
    Unsex: 2.5
     
  7. BooCocky

    BooCocky On A Nature walk with Daniel Bryan

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    I agree with Tdigs and Phoenix. They split all the points...

    Reasoning. This delete lacked something outside of responses. Not many valid points, very little information, I was persuaded by either argument. No one responded quickly..

    Spoodbeest-2.5
    Remix-2.5
     
  8. Miko

    Miko WATCHA GONNA DO, BROTHER!?

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    2 good opening posts but that was it, a big fat draw

    Unsex - 2.5
    Spoodbeest - 2.5
     
  9. Phoenix

    Phoenix WZCW's First Triple Crown Champion

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    After a complete judge's tally, both Spoodbeest and Unsex drew with 10 points each.
     
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