Round 1, WWE - Guerrero/Santana vs. Lesnar/Harris

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  1. Uncle Sam

    Uncle Sam Rear Naked Bloke

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    Round 1, WWE:
    Eddie Guerrero & Tito Santana
    vs.
    Brock Lesnar & Chris Harris


    No spam and no flaming.​

    It's the first wildcard showdown and it's an interesting one to say the least.
     
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  2. Little Jerry Lawler

    Little Jerry Lawler Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids

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    What a good draw for my team Lesnar and Harris. Now I know everyone is going to say that Eddie Guerrero has beaten Brock Lesnar and I know that painfully. I don't think Goldberg will be coming out and spearing Lesnar and everybody knows before that spear, Lesnar was making Guerrero his bitch.

    Guerrero and Santana are good but if they try one of their high-flying moves, Lesnar will snatch them out of the air and break them in half. Harris can do a little bit of damage himself as he would let Lesnar do all the work. While the referee is distracted, Harris can smash Tito over the head with a beer bottle and Santana will stagger right into the F-5/Death Sentence combination.

    Lesnar/Harris FTW.
     
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  3. NSL

    NSL Life's A Bitch, And Then You Mosh

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    I really like the pairing of Guerrero and Santana, but...Well, there is no but. I have to go with Lesnar/Harris here. Harris was one of the better tag wrestlers since the trio in the WWE all split, and he's still the weak link of his team. Lesnar will end up doing all the heavy lifting, tossing the Matador and the Liar, Cheater, Stealer like ragdolls, and then winning it with an F-5.
     
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  4. Mr. TM

    Mr. TM Throwing a tantrum

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    Los Lonely Boys or whatever they are getting called here will be decimated. Swagger has reached Tito's level, and Lesnar is better than Guerrero. The Guerrero upset has been explained, so that evens that out. Not really sure what to say here, you have two agile tanks in the ring against two agile light weights. Easy victory here.

    EDIT: Just realized it was Harris and not Swagger as his partner. Meh, Lesnar still gets the win here if he had Zack Gowan.
     
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  5. jmt225

    jmt225 Global Moderator

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    Man, I wish Lesnar had a better partner. But since it's none other than that piece of garbage Chris Harris, then I'm going to have to vote for Eddie Guerrero and Tito Santana.

    Eddie is one of the most talented in-ring workers in professional wrestling history, in my opinion, and while I'm not a fan of Tito's singles work, his contributions to the awesome tag team that was Strike Force (who should be in the tournament, btw) does not get neglected on my part. I really think these two would've made a great pairing, and it'll be interesting to see what match-ups they get once they get past Lesnar and Harris.
     
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  6. Rizza

    Rizza Is for the children

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    Lesnar and Harris all the way here, I was a total mark for AMW, and Brock Lesnar was the biggest thing in pro wrestling during his short tenure, so how could I not vote them here over the death induced love fest that is Eddie G, and IMO(Im sure some will call me out on this) the worse half of strikeforce? I just can't, Chris Harris in his Pre Braden Walker days, was main eventing TNA ppv's,which won't sound like alot to most people but, its the same Main Event ring and Main Event matches that the likes of Sting, Kurt Angle, Booker T, Double J, and countless other big names stars have headlined. Not to mention his extensive Tag Teaming background, who with James Storm he is a 6 time NWA-TNA tag champ with and a 1 time champ with Elix Skipper. I think that out of all four of these men in the ring Chris Harris and Tito Santana,to me at least, are without a doubt the most effective and impressive with their Tag Work, and have the legendary tag teams to prove it. Thus, I think they cancel each other out, which brings me to Brock Lesnar and Eddie.

    This Exactly, I think that someone will bring it up that Eddie beat Brock for the title, therefore Eddie>Brock right? Not at all, they had to have Goldberg come in and spear the shit out of Lesnar before he could lose to Eddie and somebody would buy it. I know I wouldn't bought it for a second. Bottom Line, Lesnar was an unstoppable monster, who had to get screwed in the form of a spear, to make it look believable when he lost the title. Eddie Guerrero couldn't of beat him then without outside interference, and Eddie couldn't beat him this time without outside interference.

    As far as either man's tag team credentials goes, Eddie's looks better, but Brocks as far as people are concerned are not of existence, and while I won't argue that Brock is a tag teaming God, he isn't stupid in that area either, he was a 3 time tag champ with Shelton Benjamin in OVW and they had a total combined reign of 136 days.

    I see this match going the way of Lesnar & Harris after Tito or Eddie trys some high-Flying bullshit on Lesnar, and Lesnar catches one of them and pretty much fucks his world all up with a F-5 for the win.
     
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  7. Hyorinmaru

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    I'm going with Eddie and Tito.

    ON one side you have Eddie Guerrero who, Goldberg or not, has beaten Brock Lesnar. Even with out Goldberg who's to say Eddie won't do what he does best and Lie to get his opponents DQed. Add in the extremely fast Tito Santana and you got speed that the power of Lesnar & Harris just can't withstand.
     
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  8. Baller

    Baller WZCW Veteran

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    I'm going with my team if tito and eddie. As most of said Eddie beat Lesnar plus Tito is faster then all men and is elusive enough to avoid lesnars attack. Harris is a weak link and will get frog splashed by eddie and viva la tito gets the W.
     
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  9. X

    X RIP Sgt. Michael Paranzino / RIP CM

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    As usual JMT goes and steals my thoughts. I'm getting tired of him stealing from my brain.

    Lesnar is amazing. We all know that. Chris Harris is terrible however, and always has been. Add to that the fact that they're facing Eddie G and Tito Santana, two of the best wrestlers of their respective times, seals the deal against Lesnar & Harris.

    People really need to stop sleeping on Tito Santana. Everything that you love about guys like Eddie was being done by Tito in the WWF during the 80s (and 90s). We all know how talented Eddie Guerrero was, but the addition of Chico Santana seals the deal here for me.

    Vote San-Guerrero!
     
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  10. Little Jerry Lawler

    Little Jerry Lawler Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids

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    You think Lesnar is incapable of catching Santana or Guerrero. You won't think that when they get an arm's reach of Lesnar that he would catch them. Lesnar has dealt with fast people before and has beaten them. I don't see why this would be any different.
     
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  11. Tastycles

    Tastycles Turn Bayley heel

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    Eddie Guerrero beat Brock Lesnar. Tito Santana is better than Braden Walker, it should be as simple as that, but I'll elaborate. I know Harris is a tag team specialist, but the sum total of Lesnar's experience was feuding with those wrestling luminaries BJ Payne and Damien. No? Me neither, OVW apparently.

    Both Santana and Guerrero are multiple time tag team champions and wrestle a similar style. Santana is latino, and most of Guerrero's tag reigns were with fellow Latinos. This team has the ability to be a genuine threat in this tournament, while I think Lesnar, who was always booked as a loner, isn't going to have good chemistry with Harris.
     
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  12. Mr. TM

    Mr. TM Throwing a tantrum

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    Well guys, I guess I have no arguments left. I am defeated. Yes, the secret is out of the bag. Tito and Eddie are both of the same Nationality, thus making them a stellar tag team, such that Brock Lesnar and Chris Harris could never match. Yes, I must admit, Brock Lesnar doesn't land 900 Demon Dragon Drops on his opponents, and maybe their opponents can. Harris isn't the best wrestler, thus he is a weak link. Fine I admit defeat.

    But I do remember a tag match featuring Brock Lesnar where he himself had a weak partner. His name was Paul Heyman. Now Paul Heyman is not a great wrestler. He is not a good wrestler. In fact, Paul Heyman isn't even a wrestler if my memory serves me right. But they were partnered together. I know comparing wrestlers is hard, and Chris Harris doesn't really compare to Paul Heyman, but I would say he is a little bit better in the ring.

    Here i the match I am talking about.



    Brock Lesnar with his weak partner takes on probably one of the best tag teams of all time, who are of the same nationality, and are actually even brothers. They also have won several tag team belts before as well, just like Eddie and Tito. Now watching this match, I noticed one thing. Brock Lesnar, even with that weak tag team partner, was about to beat The Hardys (who are of the same nationality (that is key)) even though they are faster than he is. Now doesn't that compare a little bit to this match-up? If only Chris Harris was perhaps, deceased, this match would be a little different (I'd hate to think so).

    And just encase you were planning to discuss the fact that this is Brock Lesnar versus someone of a different nationality (the key point here), a point I agree with heavily, I just want to show (for the fun of it) a match against people who speak a different language than Brock Lesnar.



    And the point about Brock Lesnar not being experienced as a tag team wrestler, such as the great career midcarder Tito Santa was, or that guy who beat Brock Lesnar (in what can only be remembered as a screw job (still counts, as Goldberg WILL be at ring side for all of Eddie Guerrero's matches I am told.) I am just here to remind you (for my own sake) that Brock did team with another career midcarder in his lifetime known as Shelton Benjamin (giving him SOME practice on how to deal with midcarders and tag team matches). In fact, I think there were three time champions before (Not that titles matter).

    So I admit defeat. Go the deceased people who are the same nationality!
     
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  13. klunderbunker

    klunderbunker Welcome to My (And Not Sly's) House

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    I've always been a big fan of Santana. Eddie can more than hang with Brock, and if he keeps the monster busy, you're asking Tito Santana, one of the most solid wrestlers ever to take on Chris Harris. That tells the whole story right there: Santana and Guerrero win. They're smart enough to not try to beat Brock, because even 2-1 they likely couldn't. Both are better when sound asleep than Harris is on his best day and they know it. If they get him in the ring, he won't be getting out until he's pinned or tapping. Santana and Guerrero win.
     
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  14. Theo Mays

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    Lets not forget Braden Harris or Chris Walker, whatever you wanna call him was decent in TNA and part of one of their greatest teams in AMW. Weak argument, but he is a decent tag team wrestler and he is teamed with a monster, a beast, a machine that is Brock Lesnar. Eddie has beaten Brock and Tito is better than Harris. But I still Lesnar is gonna be too much and will pretty much have to carry this team however far they go.
     
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  15. Viola Moonlight

    Viola Moonlight I'm Literally Just Here for WZCW

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    This is probably the hardest choice for picking a tag team to win at this point in time. Two wildcard draws whom both have great resumes.

    Lesnar is one of the most dominant athletes you will ever see step inside the squared circle. He has God-Like strength, he understands how to work in the ring & can pull off some technical moves as well. He can definitely manhandle every person whom steps up against him. He is also an experienced tag team wrestler when he teamed with Shelton Benjamin back in the day. Chris Harris does have the tag team experience to help out Lesnar in his endeavours but is nothing more than just a back-up partner. You can't expect Lesnar to run the match as he will eventually need a long rest & Harris cannot supply it in the ring.

    Guerrero & Santana are a great pairing in their own right. You have the technical skills & one of the best in-ring psychologists in Eddie whom knows what to do in the ring at every moment. He knows how to cheat his way around things without being caught & has the essential tag experience to have a shot at this match. Couple this with the fact that he has a classic wrestler in Santana whom definitely has experience in these situations & you will find yourself at the worst end of punishment.

    Lesnar/Harris will dominate, but Santana/Guerrero will get the victory. I vote for G&S.
     
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  16. It's...Baylariat!

    It's...Baylariat! Team Finnley Baylor

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    Someone tell me how the FUCK Strike Force isn't in this tourney? Strike Force could beat Lesnar/Harris. Chico and EDDIE? No. Brock Lesnar is a one man wrecking crew and could have Hornswoggle as a partner and I'd debate voting with his team.

    It's a case of power v/s speed and power usually wins. I voted Lesnar/Harris. Sorry 'bout your damn luck, El Pollo Banditos. That's my tag team name for Tito and Guerrero.
     
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  17. King Patrick Star

    King Patrick Star K. O. T. R. 2007 -€“ Team Undisputed

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    Wildcard team vs. Wildcard team. What the “Deuce”?? I’m going to go with the Team with more Tag Team experience. In this case, Latino Heat and El Matador gets the nod from me. Yes, Brock is strong and Chris has had success in the Tag division, but the Guerrero Strike Force looks like they can catch Lesnar or Harris making one vital mistake to steal the victory.
     
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  18. Little Jerry Lawler

    Little Jerry Lawler Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids

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    Looks like I got some work to do and the one thing I'm going to target is the low opinion of Chris Harris.

    Everyone seems to think that Storm is that much greater than Harris and they seem to base it off on the fact that Harris is unemployed and Storm is still in TNA. James Storm is basically in the same position now as he was when AMW. Hell even Harris pinned Storm in one of the best matches in TNA history. Storm had unspectacular feuds with Rhyno and Young before teaming up with Roode.

    I'm going to use Edge and Christian as an example. When they split up, Edge was put into high profile feuds with Kurt Angle and Eddie Guerrero while Christian joined the Un-Americans. You saw what happened three and four years down the road. If Storm was so much greater than Harris, don't you think that he would be in the main event by now. Maybe Storm is destined to be just a tag team wrestler and that's it.

    Storm needed Harris just as much as Harris needed Storm when they were together. Sure Storm has won titles without Harris, but he hasn't reached the same level of success and status. It's like when people say Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all-time. They seem to forget that Pippen was with him and he's a damn good ball player and neither one won titles without the other but at least Pippen got closer to the finals again.

    To the statement that Tito and Eddie would be too elusive, Harris has faced similar wrestlers in Styles and Daniels and came out victorious so I don't see why he would have any problem. Lesnar can catch one of them out of the air and he can work on them from there. Tito and Guerrero are good and they have my respect, but I think in this one match, Lesnar and Harris will beat them.
     
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  19. Big Sexy

    Big Sexy Deadly Rap Cannibal

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    I went with Lesnar and Harris. Everyone is shitting on Harris, and I really don't know why. Yes he was horrible in the WWE as Braden Walker, but before that he was part of one of the best tag teams in TNA history. Combine that with the fact that Brock Lesnar single-handedly beat the fucking Hardy Boyz I don't see how they would lose. Guerrero and Santana would put up a good fight but in the end Lesnar would be too much and he and Harris would pick up the victory.
     
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  20. gd

    gd Plump, Juicy User

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    Come one people, Here come's America's Most Wanted Pain, or HCTAMWP for short, should definetly be winning this here. Eddie and Santana were both decent , but they have to go up a team that included Brock freakin' Lesnar. I bet he could beat this team if it was 2 on 1.

    Lesnar also has a pretty credible partner in Chris Harris, not Braden Walker. Just because Harris failed in the WWE, that doesn't take away from all of the success he had as a tag wrestler in TNA. Lesnar and Harris are a great combo, and should be winning this.
     
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