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Regarding the recent ratings

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Alright, there is a post on here that I'm afraid people will find similar to this one. Let me try to be as clear as possible - I'm not trying to say that WWE is going "stale", bash the PG rating or give the WWE any hate at all for that matter. I just want to know why they are losing ratings in all honesty because I don't like seeing something that I have such a passion for doing badly.

I was getting caught up on how the ratings have been for WWE recently and was pretty shocked at what I found. We are building up to the largest PPV of the year: the WWE's version of the Superbowl, the Grand-Daddy of them all, and any other cliche' that you can think of. Yet ratings have been declining weekly. I mean a 1.9 for Smackdown this past week?! What gives? With Mania on the horizon, the ratings should be going up every week and we are getting the exact opposite. ECW seems to be fairly stable in it's (moderate at best) ratings. However, the flagship show of Raw has saw it's ratings go down with guys like HHH, Orton, Cena, Jericho, Taker, Edge, & Michaels appearing on it. Not to mention the teased match between Flair & Jericho this past week. Over on Smackdown, The Primo & Carlito vs. Miz & Morrison matches have showcased some of the best technical mat work I've seen in quite some time. The Hardy fued (while neither Hardy is great at promos) should still manage to bring in viewers given how personal it is and the way that most fans like these guys.

I could continue to give examples of what should equal an increase in ratings on all three shows, and yet they have been on the decline. To stop my rambling and not write a short novel with this, what I want to ask you is why aren't they pulling in the ratings we expect leading up to Wrestlemania this time around? Like I said, please don't say the PG rating, because while I personally don't like the rating (as you can find in many of my posts) that's not what this post is about. I would much rather see the rating increased again so that we could see more hardcore action. I would love to see a match similar to the HHH/Shawn Michaels, Randy Orton/Mick Foley, intense match ups. You'd never know from saying that, that I am a true technical wrestling geek. It doesn't get any better than seeing two great mat technicians go at it. That said though, there are only a handful of guys in a company at a given time that can pull those types of matches off and do it well. There needs to be a mixture of match types; some weapons & blood filled and some old catch as catch can type action. But I'm rambling...

I think that with the right storylines, superstars, and match types that the WWE could still pull in great ratings, especially this close to Wrestlemania. In the 80s there was a PG rating in place, and the ratings were still remarkable. Here in lies why the ratings are declining. The storys, even the ones that on paper sound great, haven't been executed as well as they should have. Take the Hardy vs. Hardy feud for instance. Instead of letting them do several promos spread out through a couple of weeks when everyone knows that they just aren't that great at promos, they should've let them have some type of action. In a backstage attack, a tag match on opposing teams - something that doesn't see them quite in a straight up one-on-one match because that's what Mania is for, but something that sees them fighting.

I could go on, but this post is long enough as is - maybe too long. So, I want you to give me your opinions on what it is that has the WWE on the decline in ratings without bashing the PG rating. To me, that shouldn't factor in if other things are done well enough.
 
it is a bit odd aint it?wwe is trying its best to keep the high ratings coming in.you can tell how serious there being leading up to maina just by how intense some of these build ups are.but its not quit enough.and i cant figure out why.i guess some people were expecting a little more going into the 25th anniversary of wrestlemaina and when they realized what that cards going to be like.i guess some of them were turned off and thought it wasent good enough

which is crazy.cuz the build up for these matches are fantastic.the ppv itself should be great.looking forward to it.its a bit puzzling to say the least
 
Lets be honest the WM XXV line-up is shitty; and so are the programs leading up to it; nit unless it surprises on the night of the event I expect to be dissappointed in this years Wrestlemania. I was hyped or Orton/Triple H but I have the feeling Triple H will bury him; only HBK/Taker has any intrigue honestly. They totally fucked the Y2J vs Legends angle.
 
hmmm...I was pretty hyped after No way out...really liked the way it was going. But right now, apart from Orton-HHH and Taker-Michaels, am ain`t seeing anything interesting. It may end a good thing for me; less expectation=more surprise.
Anyway, Y2J angle has gone from great to crap.....but there`s still time to change it. As for Orton-HHH, still good but as far as I am concerned, if HHH...that would a major disappointment. I know Austin will on 2 raws..say what you want, he is still damn entertaining.
 
Whenever WWE (and wrestling in general) has been big (mania and attitude eras), there were crossover stars, i.e. those who were part of pop culture as well as wrestling. EVERYONE knew who Hulk Hogan was in the 80's and Stone Cold and the Rock were known in the 90's by non-fans as well.

As great as Orton, Edge, Jericho and HHH are, who outside of true fans know who they are? While Cena is on every talk show and doing movies, no one outside wrestling really gives a damn, and 20-30% of wrestling fans want him to go away.

So, there are few if any casual fans tuning in.

Then let's look at what the true fans are looking at:

I know for me, once the Jericho angle turned to a steaming pile of feces, I started losing interest. Plus, it looks more and more like HHH is going to go over Orton. I hope not, but I'm just getting that feeling. Now you add the triple threat match, and even hardcore fans are starting to lose interest.

Hardy vs. Hardy isn't generating any heat. JBL / Mysterio seems thrown together. It's a given that Miz/Morrison either win, or it's a DQ ending. I just don't see the Colons being undisputed tag champions. Unless the Colons win, and Morrison blames the Miz the they break up to launch Morrison's solo career.

I'm not even sure they'll get 25 Divas for that Battle Royal. Every past diva seems to be saying no. This seems like an excuse to thrust Gail Kim into the front of the pack.

And let's not forget the Money in the Bank match. The only person I would want to see win is Christian and Vince thinks he's somewhere between Jimmy Wang Yang and an arena janitor in the pecking order, so he's probably not it.

All of this = dropping ratings.

I personally went from not being able to wait for WM25 to seriously considering not ordering it. Any good highlights will be shown on Raw the next day anyway.
 
Smackdown = 1.9, pathetic going into Wrestlemainia. WWE is absolute utter shit! Fuck Vince, what does it take to realize your "PG era" wrestling is the biggest failure in wrestling history! What does it take to realize John Cena doesn't sell!!!! And for you who says he does, why are the ratings the worst in years! Changing the FU to "Attitude Adjuster", complete fuckin nonsence. I personally hope the ratings continue to plummet, and they will. Shit, where is your new generation of fans, vince?! You know, the one you are designing your product around....the kids/tweeners.....How's it working for you Vince!?..a complete ratings disaster! .. Think about it, who buys the PPV's, kids?! I have been watching WWE since the mid-90'. Even after The Rock and Austin left, they still had some interesting storylines....now, they are just going through the motions.

Last week was the first time since then, that I didn't watch RAW....cater to the kids vince, you lost a once loyal fan. And hundreds of thousands agree with me. I always laugh when I hear the "boring, boring, boring" chants. And how can some of you actually have the balls to say that WWE is going strong or it's entertaining!!! Wake up, if the 1.9 smackdown rating isn't good enough for you, then you are a mindnumbing, WWE mark!

When it comes to RAW, they go from 2 weeks with 4.1 ratings...now? 3.6. And it falls a tenth of a point every week, for the past 3 weeks. I wouldn't be surprised if it drops to 3.4 or lower....
 
I think one of the problems wih Smackdown's ratings, aside from the poor WM25 line up, is the MyNetwork TV situation. It's get they're getting over 2.0 for a good while, but given many fans can't get the network, so that is probably why Smackdown suffers, not to forget it's on Friday night too.

I seriously think NWO did get people tuned in for Wrestlemania, but at the same time, WWE has killed it's momentum by messing up the 7 weeks they had to build up Wrestlemania. Only Taker/HBK and Orton/HHH has truly been in full momentum since No Way Out, everywhere else is stalling and is only finally getting underway - seriously, they didn't take this "25th anniversary" seriously, when the real one is due next year!
 
I think one of the problems wih Smackdown's ratings, aside from the poor WM25 line up, is the MyNetwork TV situation. It's get they're getting over 2.0 for a good while, but given many fans can't get the network, so that is probably why Smackdown suffers, not to forget it's on Friday night too.

I seriously think NWO did get people tuned in for Wrestlemania, but at the same time, WWE has killed it's momentum by messing up the 7 weeks they had to build up Wrestlemania. Only Taker/HBK and Orton/HHH has truly been in full momentum since No Way Out, everywhere else is stalling and is only finally getting underway - seriously, they didn't take this "25th anniversary" seriously, when the real one is due next year!

Really?! Blame MyNetwork TV, nice scape-goat. How can you say that with a straight face man!? The last time I checked MyNetwork hq wasn't hit by lightning and the network crashed, or did a market like (Dallas,Denver, ect.) stop broadcasting Smackdown?! Or......how about the product Sucks!? I'll go with option 3.
 
Really?! Blame MyNetwork TV, nice scape-goat. How can you say that with a straight face man!? The last time I checked MyNetwork hq wasn't hit by lightning and the network crashed, or did a market like (Dallas,Denver, ect.) stop broadcasting Smackdown?! Or......how about the product Sucks!? I'll go with option 3.

I didn't say it was the main problem, but one of them. It's been a number of problems, the product, the network, the overhype of nothing (WM), nothing is ever just one problem. I can't truly comment on the Smackdown ratings because I'm from the UK and can't say if I have problems or not, plus UK viewings don't count to the Nielson rating!
 
Well one good fact about this is the ratings are gonna face vince and the creative team to work a little bit harder into makin this WM worth it and also the weeks leading up as well.

Ever since wcw was bought out there Is nothin of a competition for these guys so really sucks.

I still think that wwe has some surprises up its sleeve and hasent shown all of their cards yet. (Hopefully)

Raw really sucked on monday though.

Agree???
 
I see WWE ratings going down for the exact same reason it went sky high in the first place back in the late 80's/early 90's. Cycles. Or, for a bad pun...Evolution.
In the 50's thru 70's period I grew up in, the territory system still ruled wrestling and 1000's of tv stations carried a localized version of a wrestling program. The champion of a wrestling organization...let's say the AWA, would travel to these different citys in his copany's territory and appear on the local broadcast with the local wrestling talent.
Vince, Sr. was a promoter for the northeast territory of the NWA. When Vince, Jr. took control of his father's operation, he had a vision to back wrestling something new and unique. A programming vision that not only included using cable television to cross over into the territorys of all your competitors, but to effective kill them off one by one or reduce them to former shells of themselves (such as the NWA of today compared to when a lot of us remember the days of Flair and Dusty).
During the 1980's, I recall seeing a lot of programs from all over. The WCCW, AWA, GCW, WWW,Georgia/NWA and WCW all had national programming. In fact, that business model of Vince McMahon, Jr. was so successful it killed off it's sole surviving competitor, WCW.
Then, around 2002 or so, with Vince's traveling 3 ring circus coming to an arena near you, a couple of smaller company's with big dreams started attracting attention and slowly people started checking out this TNA and ROH they had been hearing about. Early reports on these digital ragsheets were that WWE didn't take TNA seriously at all. And Vince started losing viewers.
The success that TNA had has given others the courage to try to build their companys up. The NWA has a program on TV. ROH debuts it's new program tonight (March 21)! I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple more show up on cable in 3 to 5 years much as it was in the 80's.
Then the natural progression would take us into a type of territory system but done thru the medium of television. I think the decline of WWE ratings is the Mega-size shows in front of 10,000+ people...and back to the studio wrestling of the 50's thru 70's. Smaller more intimate audiences. Vince goes down and a new breed arises.
 

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