Randy Orton face/tweener = John Cena Heel???

[Lrrodri_86]

Okay so this is my first thread so go easy on me.

Now after watching Raw this Monday night I couldn't help but think that turning Randy Orton into a face/tweener character as the company seems to be leaning towards with the announcement of the handicap match with him
And Hhh against legacy and sheamus, creates the possibility to to actually turn Cena Heel.

Now hear me out John Cena has pretty much done everything he could have done as a face and is the main draw for the company, but every week it's seems that he's getting booed a little more, while orton on the other hand almos got An equal Face Pop as HHH during there match and his character is growing. Whereas Cena's I beleive has reached it's height.

So here is how I can see it being pulled off I would prefer heading out of wrestlemania to keep building upon Ortons growing popularity. At mania you keep the title on Batista. Then Orton gets a shoot and wins the title which will give him a huge ovation. This is where Cena comes out and destroys Orton Ending the PPV with everyone in shock. The next night on Raw you have cena cut a promo talking about how the fans are stupid for cheering Orton who punts people in the head ends careers etc.... While they booo! him eventhough he's done everything right and for the fans but not anymore.. Something along those lines. I beleive if done correctly it could be one of the greatest turning points in wwe history and would shatter any of tna's hopes.

This may not happen but it's just something I was thinking about. Let me know what you think and if you do or don't see it happening at some point.


Just my thoughts.

 

[AwesomeONE]

i was like on my way to post something along the lines of this thread but u beat me to it. TOTALLY agree with u! tho i dont think wwe would do this just to crush tna (but if they do this that is exactly what it will do) this is just something that needs to be done, it is time for cena to be heel and a face orton would prolly get more pops from the crowd anyway. I hope to see this happen, not to soon tho, i hope it has a great build up and alot of shock value

 

[Lrrodri_86]

I agree with you on the build up part I'm just so tired seeing cena face I wouldn't mind it happening soon but I hope they don't have to obvious where everyone is expecting it like they do things sometimes, and I didn't mean to state that it would be done to crush tna but it would be the best move for the wwe and in they end would end killing tna cause of the great shock value something that could only be compaed the hogan heel turn IMO.

Just my thoughts.

 

[Junior]

if they make orton face they have to do it right and not like his last face run. He needs to stay this sick crazied character and not go away from it i think thats what the crowds are liking about him, how he just strikes out of nowhere with moves...if he face just to keep his character the sick twisted guy at times he should just RKO a face for the hell of it. Its time for orton to be face and fight jericho morrision bc we no he going heel soon, have a real fued with sheamus, and i think him n miz would have a heck of a fued. Cena is a tough one...he makes the wwe money, and vince loves that, its Y hogan was face n champion so long but i think if cena turned heel it would be the same type of reaction as it was when hogan went heel n formed the nwo....its time for changes and make the wwe exciting and interesting again.

 

[boozinjedi]

I can definitely see Orton becoming a face/tweener,If you remember at the Rumble,the crowd was SOLIDLY behind Orton!!
When he set Sheamus up for the on-rope DDT the place went nuts!!
If had gotten ready to spring the RKO and started punching the mat..I fully expected the crowd to clap along like they do with HBK's superkick!!

Everyone is talking how they expect a Dibiase fact turn at Mania??
Just how will they do that?
I could see Orton getting that instead,Am I the only one seeing that the "Austin Effect" is happening to Orton..where the crowd starts getting behind a heel?

As for the Cena heel turn...I just can't see that right now,Batista hit the nail on the head:
It pretty much went from Austin to Cena as the big name draw.
All the movies..
The commercials..
He's one of IF not the biggest names in Make-A-Wish requests.

As much as a major move it would be....from a business standpoint,it would be too risky.

 

[FromTheSouth]

I would argue that Cena has been getting booed less and less for about six months now. The peak of his boos were at No Way Out 2009. Since then, I would argue that people have been cheering him predominately. He has gotten intense, been funny at times, and, in all honesty, been on the fans side of everything. His interactions with Mr. McMahon have certainly curried him quite a bit of favor.

Now, as far as Orton goes, I think they should leave him right where he is. Like Stone Cold, he can play a loner role, feud with everyone, get a mixed crowd reaction, and turn that into legend status. The only difference between face and heel for Orton is the punt move.

Personally, I like Orton as a bit of a tweener. I always want to cheer him as a heel because he is everything a professional wrestler should be. He is great in the ring, with what I consider the greatest dropkick ever, and very good on the mic. Everything he does achieves the biggest role of the pro wrestler; he makes people care about him. One way or the other, like Cena, people react to him, and they react strongly.

I feel that Orton can be the next Stone Cold. He can be the guy with no friends, plenty of enemies, and zero cares. He can be the guy who dominates the WWE while taking no prisoners and having no regard for anyone or anything else. He is one "moment" from ascending to that point anyway. One superior promo, one big win, one angle with Vince, that's all he needs. He's had all of them as a heel, but any of those as a face, and it is nothing but the stars for him.

 

[y2jvaljcasta]

WOw! Yes I think that is a great idea. But as you all said it would have to be dne right...Randy orton's last face turn really sucked! I agree, he should still be a "rulebreaker" much like Eddie Guerrero and Stonecold SA... Te only problem that I see is John Cena vs Randy Orton AGAIN!!! We have seen this match way too many times! Although it could be different if the roles ae different (heel/face)...so we should stay tuned and see what happens!

 

[axl626]

I've thought since last years Mania that if Orton keeps his character while becoming a face at the same time then we have the next Stone Cold. The most disappointing part about the buildup to WM 25 was Orton's speech a week or two beforehand that undid everything that had been built up. And despite what a section of WWE fans and WWE themselves want us to believe, Cena just can't cut it as the face of a company, at least not by staying with the same character for so long. I'm fine with Cena as a main event guy but he's not what WWE thinks he is, same with Edge.

As much as some people might not like it I'd love if Orton took out both Rhodes and Dibiase at 26 in a squash. Neither have proven that they deserve to be where they are and only coast by on their names. This could prop up Orton and prove that he's changed from who he was. Orton should be a loner that no one really wants to associate with. Hell, his nickname is the Viper. It seems like they were grooming him to be Stone Cold.

This could also lead to a Cena heel turn where he starts berating the fans for cheering a psychopath and booing a hero to children. Cena's shown before that the boos do bother him so just have him cut a real promo. This could really set WWE in a good direction for the future. They've fixed Batista and made him one of the most interesting guys, why not get around to two other stars.

 

[Doomsday Device]

In my opinion it will happen. Not just yet.

Vince McMahon/Creative Team is holding the "Turn Cena Heel in case of Emergency" card safely in his pocket. Right now, as many people who would love to see this happen, (myself included) it just wont happen yet. There's really no reason to at this moment, besides this stale PG thing there's no serious problem here. Ratings are fine right? Plus there's enough stories, and muscle to get through this quarter of the year. We have Bret, NXT, Edge is back, Orton is tweening, Raw Hosts, the E is as healthy as it can be.

Back in 1996 WCW were trying to figure out, and this is straight from Bischoff's mouth "what could we do that hasnt been done before?" TURN HOGAN HEEL. And they did it as an act of desperation to get people's attention, to get noticed and to get people to watch their show.

My prediction is, if perhaps TNA starts to catch up to the E, and they have quite a way yet to go, and the E is desperate scrambling for ideas and whatnot, then, just then, will Vince play the "Turn Cena Heel Card"

But in the meantime, we'll just having to keep getting used to seeing Cena running the ropes with his orange shirt on.

 

[tattooed_superman]

I was reading this and agree with a lot of points everyone is saying. One thing that came to my mind though...that would also be a big swerve that no one would see coming would be if Orton got involved in the Batista vs Cena match at Mania. They could have Orton help Cena some how win the title from Batista at Mania thus setting up a feud with Orton and Batista. Since Batista is a big time heel right now this would help elevate Orton further as a face, but also get payback from Evolution days. At the same time this could help Cena finally become heel again. He could talk about how he always fights his own battles and didn't need any help from Orton to beat Batista, and start to rub bad on Orton's character.

 

[RicSpade]

Honestly I haven't been really entertained by Cena since his rap gimmick, and don't get me wrong he has had some incredible matches with HBK and HHH and Jericho, but I just don't like straight laced never say die John Cena I like cocky I will fight you and beat you down John Cena I liked the man who got in HBK's face in their Wrestlemania rematch and said I respect you but you don't have this and did everything to beat HBK only to come up short. I wish this was the Cena I had to put up with right now, because John Cena keeps getting punked by Batista heading into Mania, and when he was trying to get to Sheamus we were seeing this, but at the same time he was lacking something. I wouldn't mind keeping him face if that is what we are going to see otherwise I would love Cena to go heel, its the only thing going to freshen up Cena as a character for me, and yeah some guys can't pull it off (Sting is sort of an example I am waiting to see) but I think Cena can.

 

[Mr Breezy]

I think Orton will never become a full blown face. He should keep with his dark, narcissistic-like character. I think if the WWE does turn him full face, he will just end up boring us like he did with his first face run. Keeping him a tweener gives us more of a Stone-Coldish type character where he does what he wants, and the fans just happen to enjoy it.

Now with John Cena, turning him heel can be done easily. The way i see it happening if it were involving Randy Orton would be to have Cena finally punt Orton in the skull. At this point Orton would have to be getting face reactions going up against Cena, which i dont see far along from happening. Cena could finally snap and take it out on a fan favourite tweener Orton. Keeping Orton tweener/angry and Cena a full blown heel.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

John Cena is NOT turning heel...at leat not for a while. He is the face of this PG-era. And more importantly, if he were to turn heel right now, who would be the face of the PG-era? There is no one near popular enough to take that spot. I can already hear some of you saying names like Kofi Kingsotn, Evan Bourne, Ted DiBiase, Jack Swagger, John Morrison, or some other guy who is nowhere near as popular as Cena. None of these guys work. The only guy who can serve as the face of this era is John Cena. No one is as over as he is with this particular crowd.

Do I like the PG-era? No, but that is an entirely different topic. Do I like John Cena? No, but again, another topic. This guy will probably turn heel, but not unti the PG, family-friendly era is over with. And that should be around at least another 3-5 years. I don't like it, but it's doing consistent business for the WWE (especially in merchandising).

Randy Orton is getting a face reaction some of the time. Some crowds still boo him. I think he is the most talented wrestler on the planet today, but I am worried about the direction the WWE creative team is going to take this amazing character. I just have this terrible feeling that since he is getting a face reaction a lot of the time now, they are going to mess it up and turn him completely face. And that might be enough to make me stop watching for a while, honestly.

This guy is a dynamite heel, the best in the business today. If the WWE creative team gets too "creative," they will ruin him. They will turn this sadistic, edgy character into a eat your vitamins, say your prayers kind of guy. Do I KNOW they will do this? No. But I really don't have a lot faith in the creative department over there. They want family-friendly faces, and Orton's current character doesn't seem to fit that mold. So I have a bad feeling they are going to try and MAKE him fit that mold. And it will be awful. Sure, he will still be one of their most talented in-ring performers, but that is only half of it. Turning him face, John Cena-style, will be God awful to watch.

So, I hope they keep Orton as he is. Let him do his thing. Let him do heel things, and get the occasional face pop. As for Cena, I don't care what they do with him. Probably just let him do what he is doing now, and keep selling as many t-shirts and armbands as possible. Who knows, in 3-5 years, when Orton is 32-34, the WWE may switch to more adult-oriented programming. If so, I think they have their "tweener" in Randy Orton. The kind of guy that you can build a whole new era around. At least I hope that is what happens. The sooner the better, if you ask me.

 

[Jaims]

I pretty much agree with everything the original poster said. I would just like to add why I agree, however.

You see, if you had asked me this question 4 months ago or longer, I would have said that the WWE might be keeping the "turn Cena heel card" in case of an emergency, but I would have said there was a 0% chance within the next few years that Cena would turn. He the babiest of babyfaces, and to turn him would be too risky in terms of business and story lines. Ultimately I think turning him heel (especially if kept secret from the public until the moment it happens) would generate a HUGE buzz in the industry and fans alike, and I think everyone would tune in to see the transformation. But 4 months ago, I would have said no way, no how.

But something has happened recently that makes me think creative has no problem making risky character changes. And that something is what appears to be a face turn for Randy Orton. Randy Orton, just to remind everyone, has been in some of the most despicable of heel story lines: he was a "legend killer", he punted people's heads in to end their careers, he rope-assisted DDT'ed and RKO'ed Stephanie McMahon and kissed her in front her husband on national TV, he tried "torturing" Cena in a recent "I Quit" match, and there is a slew of other cases from even further back. Randy Orton has been placed in truly evil angles, and yet he always had a small contingent of fans cheering him on, respecting him for his ring work. From a creative standpoint, turning him face should have seemed impossible, especially when you look at what angles he has most recently been involved with. And although we still are not sure if he is actually turning face for good, right now it appears as if creative has listened to that small group of fans and said "all right, we can turn him face a bit and he will probably be successful". And so far, it's kind of working, at least from what I can tell.

So if Randy Orton can show signs of a face turn with nothing more than a little fan support and some nudging in the right direction from creative, I now believe that sooner rather than later, Cena will turn heel. I mean, it would be an easy turn, unless those who used to hate him decide to cheer for him once he turned heel. You can't control everyone, right?

So how soon can I see this happening? Next year. I'll throw that out there. There's just no one left, even now, that Cena can face and have it seem fresh. Unless someone gets elevated soon, Cena will simply be out of competition, out of angles, and out of anything interesting that could attract fans. Look at HHH. He's heel for a while, it gets a bit drab after he runs through a handful of feuds, than he overnight switches to face, feuds some more, then it's right back to heel-town when he needs to freshen up again. Right now, you can sense an impending HHH turn on the horizon. For Cena? Not quite yet. But he'll follow the HHH pattern. It's been successful, tried and tested true, and HHH is still believable, irrespective of what role he plays. The same would be true for Cena.

 

[kingofkings190260]

I would not say it is inevitable in the slightest.

I would love to see it because I have also gone right off the Cena character for a long time. I think Cena deserves everything he has ever gotten in terms of his monster push, movies, merchandise, praise and being face of the company but it is the character he plays which I am not into anymore.

However, the reason I say it is not inevitable is because as WWE are well aware, he is a merchandise machine. He sells more than anyone in the company and despite the idiots that hate him as a person and complain about his move set he is still the most popular wrestler on the planet just now by a mile.

So I really can understand if WWE keep him face for a long long time to come but I really would like to see a heel Cena back again.