R Truth Should Stay Heel

[AustinHartLesnarHBKTaz80]

here's some random thoughts about r truth's recent FACE turn again.....

r truth turning back to a face for his fued with the miz is a big mistake. this will KILL his character and his momentum.

truth was more enjoyable antagonizing the fans and not caring about the llittle jimmys.

but miz shouldn't turn face for this fued , he should stay heel as well.

i dont see why we cant have HEEL vs HEEL fueds. they still can work. heel truth vs heel miz will still be a great fued. both miz and truth work better as HEELS.

also, truth should go back to smoking cigarettes inside the arena again (haha hilarious) and smashing water bottles on other guys' heads. that was awesome and hilarious. he should have continued doing this , as it would have garnered him even more heat. his heel character had potential, but WWE killed it with his face turn....well, i think truth killed it while he was hot with his wellness violation....that pretty much snapped all his momentum...

but HEEL vs HEEL fueds can still work. it doesnt have to be face vs heel all the time.....what you guys think?

 

[Punkses]

I think he should just be future endeavoured.. He's boring in and out of the ring whether he's heel or face.. I hope miz just dominates the shit out of him

 

[MikeyTheAwesome]

I agree.

Heel vs Heel feuds have been done before (recently Sheamus vs Orton, Rated RKO split), but since they are rarely done, people really anticipate that WWE creates heel vs heel storylines once alliances (usually involving the most-over heels) break up. Rated RKO was a great example. After their feud with D-X, Orton and Edge were having differences, eventually broke up leading to a Heel vs heel match on RAW (which Edge won). As I recall, Orton, still a heel, was playing the baby face role as Edge was the one walking out on him and suggesting Orton to be involved in difficult matches. After the feud was over, both parties remained heel.

Going down a route similar to the Rated RKO storyline wouldn't be such a bad idea. R-Truth was over with the crowd with his little hip hop gimmick, but WWE realized it was getting old. Considering his age (will be 40 on thursday), R-Truth might have a couple years left in him...but it's doubtful that anything he will do in the future can compare to the push he got as a heel between April and November. Sadly, if you're a cheered heel, WWE turns you face..and we've seen what that could do to careers. R-truth's psycho little jimmy gimmick was serious but a lot of the times became an antic, which is why he was cheered, feeding WWE a reason to turn him face so that Miz can move on to bigger things...as well as suspending Truth for the Wellness Policy violations.

What WWE could have done and can still probably do is have the anticipated match between Truth and Miz, where the loser "leaves" RAW and the winner get's a title shot. Have Truth lose the match and move to SD and make an impact as a heel by attacking a beloved face like Hornswoggle, and have him bitch and moan about being so mistreated at RAW that he was fired. His current gimmick can only go so far as a face

 

[y2grae]

Truth still does the water bottle bit.
he is still bat shit crazy

Vince was apparently mad keen on getting some "little Jimmy" merchandise out there

as long as Truth sticks to doing his non dancing intros then as far as i am concerned he can be a goooood or a baaaad R-Truth.

just no more pretty ricky please

 

[The_Sharpshooter]

Idk what gets you an infraction here, but let's see if my next comment does:

When R Truth says "I'm a good R Truth now", thats reminiscent of a slave talking to his "massa", reassuring his massa that "he's a good ***** now". When he was a heel, he was mocking his "Jimmys" or "massas" with that line. So if Truth is gonna be face, I hope he doesn't use it anymore. But since the E likes to use stereotypical/derogatory things about other cultures to get a character over positively/negatively, I doubt it will change.

I'm not digging R Truth as face. I don't think fans can root for a guy talking nonsense for too long. Only Santino has that ability. And I don't think Miz will ever be a good face. Still, only way I see those two fueding heel/heel style is if a 3rd party was involved & he was face, IE those two competing over #1 contendership for Punk's title turning into a 3 way dance.

Bring back the man held back by the conspiracy! Bring back the bad guy we loved to cheer for! Riley, Randy, Riley, Randy, JIMMY!

 

[Youngsleez]

I like the heel R Truth, but i can stomach this face turn. It's still early and he still has kept his character, and R Truth is probably the most entertaining man on the Raw roster right now. I've been enjoying his promo ability as well as i didn't know until recently that Killings could deliver a great promo until his heel turn on JoMo. As far as what @Sharpshooter said, I agree and have long realized this as a black wrestling fan that R Truth was playing off of stereotypes. I watched some videos posted in another R Truth thread and I noticed some similarities in the whole stereotype issues as well. Yet when you look at wrestling as a whole now days you have to realize who the WWE has to cater too, easily you could say with Mark Henry's character he's the stereotypical black man fed up with his job and being passed over by his white counter parts and have taken matters into his own hands, yet where he is showing passion and being upset he's the "angry black man" and when you have a "angry black man" on the work place how do you stop him? thus making him the "unstoppable monster" they had him built as going into his bout with RKO when he won the belt. Or you can say that Otonga is the Black man that plays the role just to be relevant (the sell out, see Terrence Howard's character in Crash) so the WWE does have it's undertones, i think South Park displayed it best subliminally in the episode when they mocked the WWE.

 

[TheViperRKO22]

for tha last friggin time no such thing as heels or faces anymore pay attention to cm punk or randy orton, punk has brought on the era of personality, they are not faces or heels they are themselves so plz shut up about faces and heels

 

[steveom07]

I like the heel R Truth, but i can stomach this face turn. It's still early and he still has kept his character, and R Truth is probably the most entertaining man on the Raw roster right now. I've been enjoying his promo ability as well as i didn't know until recently that Killings could deliver a great promo until his heel turn on JoMo. As far as what @Sharpshooter said, I agree and have long realized this as a black wrestling fan that R Truth was playing off of stereotypes. I watched some videos posted in another R Truth thread and I noticed some similarities in the whole stereotype issues as well. Yet when you look at wrestling as a whole now days you have to realize who the WWE has to cater too, easily you could say with Mark Henry's character he's the stereotypical black man fed up with his job and being passed over by his white counter parts and have taken matters into his own hands, yet where he is showing passion and being upset he's the "angry black man" and when you have a "angry black man" on the work place how do you stop him? thus making him the "unstoppable monster" they had him built as going into his bout with RKO when he won the belt. Or you can say that Otonga is the Black man that plays the role just to be relevant (the sell out, see Terrence Howard's character in Crash) so the WWE does have it's undertones, i think South Park displayed it best subliminally in the episode when they mocked the WWE.

Hahaha. This is the most ridiculous post I've ever seen on these forums and trust me, that is saying something.

Mark Henry is the stereotypical black man fed up with his job?? I've personally never heard of this stereotype, maybe its an American thing, i dont know. Doesn't change the fact that its a stupid statement to make. Black, white, green it doesnt matter what colour he was. The guys a beats who wanted success after years of underachievement.

As for Otunga he has a law degree, so it makes sense that he sides with JL to get heat.

You're trying your best to make square pegs fit in round holes.

 

[Late Train]

This current Face Truth isn't as bad as "What's Up (Wrong City)" Truth. He still has his entertaining moments like he did with Ricardo Rodriguez on Raw. But I will agree, I personally enjoyed Truth the most when he was heel. It's apparent that there are the fans also want him to be heel as there are still fans still saying "What?" when he talks just to try and get him to say "DON'T WHAT ME!".

 

[Cats Pajamas]

This current Face Truth isn't as bad as "What's Up (Wrong City)" Truth.

I'll give you that, but I hope it doesn't turn into another Perry Saturn debacle. Mr. McMahon seems to have little to no knowledge of how head sicknesses work. He seemed to get educated by watching cartoons... tell me, whaddaya think of this stable Vince? Perry Saturn, R-Truth, Planet Stasiak (he was bat shit, you know it), and Chris Benoit. And just in case Stasiak is unavailable, we can use Festus instead.

 

[Cats Pajamas]

for tha last friggin time no such thing as heels or faces anymore pay attention to cm punk or randy orton, punk has brought on the era of personality, they are not faces or heels they are themselves so plz shut up about faces and heels

Yes there are, you know there are. I don't even need to explain that, of course there are faces and heels silly goose. You're just not comfortable around unconventional "faceness".

 

[Mustang Sally]

When you read most "should he be heel or face?" topics, wrestling fans invariably want almost all performers to be heels. It's an easier role to play, and I believe most wrestlers themselves would rather portray heels, for the same reason.

Of course, the problem is that there has to be a balance of faces and heels, or there'll be no one for heels to play off against. Yes, it's harder to be a face; you have to have qualities that fans will rally around, and not everyone has them. A performer might be able to hide the fact that he has no outstanding personal characteristics by playing a heel and simply doing some evil deeds to the faces. We'll boo him just for that and it may be enough to get him over.

As far as personality, R-Truth is actually kind of special. He has an instinctively ingratiating manner about him: great talking ability, a terrific smile, a jacked physique and enough wrestling ability to pull the whole package together.

I say, let him be a face. For one thing, WWE needs them.....and when you've got a guy who can play the "psycho" role effectively either as a good guy or bad guy, he'll do fine by occasionally shifting back and forth. He can mumble to himself about Little Jimmy" whether we're cheering for him or rooting against him.

Let him go with the new persona......it's fun.

 

[Shakin' Abe]

R-Truth can be just as over as a face or heel. The kids like the little Jimmy crazy stuff he pulls. I feel that Vince knows R-Truth will never be a top guy so why not make him another comedy releif like Santino or Hornswoggle? Vince is acting like he's from Utah with his direction of getting fans in the seats with WWE! "I don't care how you bring em. Just Bring em young!"

 

[Poop Master Flex]

I enjoyed Truth better as a heel but that shouldn't suggest that he should stay heel. As a face currently he really hasn't changed at all outside of he is now feuding with the Miz. He still sounds and acts like the same R-Truth he did 6 months ago, only now he is getting a good response from the crowd.

R-Truth has a lot of good qualities about him, he can talk, has a great look and his wrestling skills aren't amazing, but they are good enough that he can put on good matches with whoever he is facing.

When he was a heel he was a little more insane (which I thought went well with him) but I don't see any reason why he can't be a successful face. I hope he doesn't regress to his old face personality because his current character is much better.

 

[TheViperRKO22]

ok so u guys are ignoring my statement i love everybodys opinions but wwe superstars are no longer faces or heels they have PERSONALITIES! CM PUNK AND ORTON are examples of that lol

 

[Hulk Hogan's Brother]

The best way for R-Truth to have stayed heel was if Truth had been sent over to Smackdown after he broke up with Miz. It should have been said that R-Truth himself asked for the transfer. That would have implied the fact that he was scared of the Miz. However if there was ever to be a feud between the two after their break up R-Truth was always going to end up being the face.

As good as this face turn has been, I do not think that it is going to last for long. The face heel ratio on Raw is heavily lopsided in the favor of the faces. Smackdown has a slightly more even ratio but overall Truth is better off being a heel. I have a feeling that the crazier traits of his characters may become less apparent if he stays face for a significant amount of time. It would be really funny while it lasts though.

 

[dadubay]

I see what you are saying and was a little weary at first but it seems as if they are staying true to his crazy loose cannon character. Fans already loved cheering for Little Jimmy, so it kind of makes sense if they can turn it into some merchandising thing. The truth is, we are moving into a wrestling world where the lines of heel and face are blurred (Punk when he was a full blown heel was still getting cheered, everyone knows Cena) so I am not worried. I just hope they stay true to the loose cannon that has become fun to watch.

 

[WWE4EVA]

im down with the idea of truth going to SD and resuming his role as a heel. WWE can have the match with Truth getting a W via something illegal (illegal chair shot etc) n move him over to smackdown, forcing MIz to eat the lost and carry that extra frustration out on the current WWE champ or Zack Ryder . This would give Miz a chance to perhaps put over Ryder as a legit US champ or have him take it and gain more heat. I think this way both of them have great momentum n can either sink or swim at that point.

 

[BigThunder]

Keep him a face. He's over and the crazy man persona is far more interesting than his first face run in the WWE; he can go a long way with this gimmick and it's one that other wrestlers have a lot of fun reacting to. The E needs faces, and Truth stands out.

 

[justinept]

ok so u guys are ignoring my statement i love everybodys opinions but wwe superstars are no longer faces or heels they have PERSONALITIES! CM PUNK AND ORTON are examples of that lol

Dude, I get what you're saying, but I can't agree 100% with you. This isn't 2001 anymore. The WWE isn't catering to teenagers and young adults. This is 2012. The WWE is catering to young kids and families. What's the difference?

When you cater to teens and young adults - you can build an edgier product. You can have a lot more gray area in your characters because the audience can comprehend that not everything is good nor is everything bad.

When you cater to young kids, everything has to be black and white. You can't expect a 7-year old to understand why two of his heroes dislike each other. They expect all your heroes to be friends, team together and take down the bad guys.

To sit back and say that the WWE doesn't have heels and faces is just not true. To cite CM Punk and Randy Orton as examples suggests that you haven't watched the product since they turned face. In fact, CM Punk is the premier example of the WWE sticking with the direction of the face/heel, black and white story lines that have defined their PG eras.

Punk had a chance to be a "tweener" in the mold of Austin and The Rock, the ability to get over wrestling both face and heel performers. He was getting over big time during his program with John Cena. Older fans were loving him even though he was attacking Triple H during the COO/conspiracy story line. Then what happened? He became friends with Cena and Triple H, thus eliminating his "tweener" role - and since September, he has only feuded with "bad guys" such as Del Rio, Miz, R-Truth and now Ziggler.

I get what you mean when you say the wrestlers are just "personalities," but you fail to acknowledge that when characters continually make similar choices, those choices clearly define them as a heel or a face.

 

[Da Solo]

I honestly dont see a difference. Although Truth was on fire as a heel, he is still the same Truth, as many here have said. He still does the water-bottle-to-the-face thing. He still has his catchphrases (Get got, Truth/Whole Truth/Nothing but the Truth, etc.). He's still the same, only it seems this time he doesn't seem to hate little Jimmy anymore.

While this face turn is going well, I still think I would prefer him as a heel. Faces are always more limited than heels in this PG era. They have to abide by so many guidelines and pander to people and seemingly have no faults. Basically, they have to always be righteous and do the morally right thing. Other than Punk, Orton, and Kofi when he was flipping out on Orton and Ziggler, I have rarely seen a superstar of this era who defies this stereotype and succeeds. While Truth's character can pretty much guarantee against conforming to this, I feel that Creative might find a way to strip his character down too much to the point where he loses his niche.

But at the same time, a face turn, though it might end up ad for Truth, is a plus for RAW right now. I always noticed that a strong roster always has at least 6 superstars, 3 heels and 3 faces, who can be in the brand's World Title picture. Smackdown is doing pretty good on their end (Faces: Sheamus, Orton, Big Show/Heels: Henry, apparently Bryan, and Barrett), but Raw is pretty lopsided. While on the heel side they have Kane, Ziggler and Miz, there are only 2 faces main-event ready: Punk and Cena. Face Truth fills that 3rd spot. Otherwise it would fall on Ryder, and he isn't ready for that yet.

 

[matthewchamilliard]

i 100% agree however... there is a problem with your theory about heel vs heel the new era of fans (cenation mostly) don't know who to cheer for during a heel vs heel fued i would like to see r-truth and miz run their course then when its dont say after mania turn truth heel again and he can continue his heel gimmick cause i dont think it got the end it deserved or even the run it deserved

 

[24fawwe12fa24]

I thought originally R-Truth would have to stay heel for his character to work, but that isn't the case at all R-Truth's character can just as well work as a face or heel, he is just a deranged man who everybody laughs at cos he talks to 'Little Jimmy' when you think about it, that's a pretty good face. I think this guy should get a WWE Championship run this year he deserves he has transformed over 2011 from being a guy who raps to the ring and looks an idiot to a deranged freak who has been in my opinion one of the most interesting and entertaining characters of 2011.

 

[Youngsleez]

Hahaha. This is the most ridiculous post I've ever seen on these forums and trust me, that is saying something.

Mark Henry is the stereotypical black man fed up with his job?? I've personally never heard of this stereotype, maybe its an American thing, i dont know. Doesn't change the fact that its a stupid statement to make. Black, white, green it doesnt matter what colour he was. The guys a beats who wanted success after years of underachievement.

As for Otunga he has a law degree, so it makes sense that he sides with JL to get heat.

You're trying your best to make square pegs fit in round holes.

dude either your a dumb ass, or you just dont know. If your brake down the characters portrayed into an intelligent point of view (not a dumb ass ha ha ha point of view) you can see a lot of what is perceived on a day to day notion. Now I for one have worked in a pretty respectable field for years, and I've seen many of my people have to play the card that I said Mark Henry has had to play, and I've always found it funny how white people respond, ironically that's basically a decent dumb down to what happen with Mark Henry during his heel turn. (Did you forget his 18 years... or 15 years speech). As far as Otunga's character your right, he has a law degree, and he chooses not to follow anybody but big johnny, yet I brake down his character on tv very close to Terrence Howard's character on Crash. Check out the movie for the undertone message and then watch Otunga, you'll see what I'm saying. I'm currently in a class called Psychology of the Black Family and we literally break down Raw, Smackdown and other shows on a week to week basis.