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Discussion in 'Wrestlezolympics '10' started by Cena's Little Helper, Oct 21, 2009.
Captain - Mitsuharu Misawa
Jushin "Thunder" Liger
So since we're playing some sort of rep-around-the-rosey game, I'll back up Tenta and I'll throw my red rep in as well. Tenta + X's rep = more than IC's. This is what happens when you try to throw a walking heart attack into this prestigious tournament IC.
How do we know about who's votes are disqualified though? Some people probably accidentally voted for more than 3.
Not really, I'd replace any lost rep you gave out too. The wonders of the admin CP.
Captain: Mitsuharu Misawa
Jushin "Thunder" Liger
1st alternate: Keiji Mutoh
2nd Alternate: Hayabusa
"You're only as strong as your weakest link" is the saying, right? Poor Team Japan. They have a stacked team, and then they have Yokozuna. I'm sure he'd stand a chance in the Battle Royal match, and maybe help out in a tag match, but he's dead in the water in a ladder match, or anything that requires endurance.
Mutoh and/or Hayabusa are far better options...
I agree with you. And I'm, like, Mr. Superheavyweight, and even I voted Muta over Yoko.
Yoko has name recognition, and maybe I messed Japan up by posting Mutoh's real name instead of calling him "The Great Muta." But even still, it was close, and Yoko did take the cake. G'head, laugh.
Consider this - Japan's team is smaller, and Yoko gives them a real shot in the Royal Rumble.
Jushin "Thunder" Liger
Individual Events - Round 1
Ironman (30, 45, 60 mins)
Falls Count Anywhere
Ladder / MITB Match
Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal
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I'll do these like I did for Team USA...I'll list them in the order that I made the pairings.
Falls Count Anywhere ~ Yokozuna
He needs to stay away from ladders and the Iron Man match, and I don't think I've ever seen him attempt a submission move. To keep him away from the randomness of the Spin The Wheel, Make The Deal Match, this is the best bet for him to have a chance.
Iron Man ~ Antonio Inoki
He could probably go anywhere, but this match seemed to be the best fit, and still lets his very talented teammates go into other matches.
Submission ~ Mitsuharu Misawa
I haven't sat down to watch dozens of matches from Misawa, but I have no doubt that this would be his match to dominate. He's tremendous all around, and if Angle makes it in for USA (which he should), Japan will need to counter with their best.
Spin The Wheel, Make The Deal ~ Jushin "Thunder" Liger
I'm going to be honest, and say I don't know a lot about Kobashi, so putting Liger in the most random match seemed like the safest bet. He can wrestle with anyone, and now that he has a backing here on WZ, he could do well against guys like HBK or RVD, if they're the ones making it in for USA.
Ladder/MiTB ~ Kenta Kobashi
Same as Hogan landing in the Iron Man match...He's the last guy left, and I didn't know who else to put in here.
Ironman (30, 45, 60 mins)- It was either Kenta or Misawa but I decided to go with Mitsuharu Misawa for this one.
Misawa has been involved in many classic matches throughout his illustrious career and a lot of them have lasted for a very long time. He can go with the best of them in here and he shouldn’t have any problems in this match at all.
Submission- Antonio Inoki
I’m not really sure what his win/loss record is in submission matches but just from looking at some of his moves in his Wikipedia profile, he shouldn’t do bad here. He has some pretty good submission moves such as the Indian Deathlock.
Falls Count Anywhere- Kenta Kobashi
He’s one hell of a wrestler, like Misawa, and this match seems like a perfect fit for him. He is a beast and I see him doing well here.
Ladder / MITB Match- Jushin "Thunder" Liger
He is the high flyer of the team and a very good one if I may add. I’m not quite sure if he’s ever competed in a ladder match, I’m sure he’s probably competed in something similar to a ladder match, but he shouldn’t have many problems here. All he really has to do is keep his opponents down long enough and then climb the ladder. That doesn’t sound like something that will be too difficult for him.
Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal- Yokozuna
I know many people feel he shouldn’t even be on team Japan, and I kind of agree with the people who think that, but since this match can turn out to be any match then he might get lucky and do good here….hopefully.
Iron Man: Kenta Kobashi. Although not technically an Iron Man match, Kobashi went to a 60-minute draw with Kawada in 1995; no other match of similar length has come close to it in terms of quality. Although bulky, Kobashi probably has enough fighting spirit to compete in ten Iron Man matches in a row (he should also be a shoo-in for this event's Gold Medal).
Submission: Antonio Inoki. This man always had a hard-on for MMA, and it showed in his arsenal of moves. While not a lock for the Gold Medal, this man should, at the very least, take home the Silver Medal in this particular event.
Falls Count Anywhere: Mitsuharu Misawa. Realistically, those who excel in Falls Count Anywhere matches should be able to endure unfathomable amounts of punishment. Thus, I look no further than Team Japan's captain.
Ladder / MITB: Jushin Liger. Extremely agile and quick in the late 80s/early 90s, Liger is the perfect competitor for this event.
Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal: Yokozuna. I have no clue what gimmick the wheel will come up with, so I'm voting to put Team Japan's weakest link in the most unpredictable of situations. Anyway, it's not as if Yokozuna had a chance of winning a medal in any of the aforementioned events.
I would like to say I did a lot of research, but I didn't do anymore than what Wikipedia or the odd 20 minutes of Google would afford me. At least I did that much, huh?
Ironman (30, 45, 60 mins)-- I did this order pretty much randomly, so I'm left with Kenta Kobashi for the Ironman Match. I checked out his Wiki to make sure this at least made some sense, and I fully believe that Kobashi won't be outmatched in this event. Unless I get what I want and Hogan gets the Ironman Match, of course. Kenta Kobashi for the Ironman Match.
Submission-- Inoki has a move called the Indian Deathlock. Come on. That ought to blow Angle and his pussy "Ankle Lock" out of the water. From what I can tell Inoki seems to love MMA also, and if there's one thing that will get votes from this board it's mentioning a wrestler and "He likes MMA and Submission wrestling" in the same post. Antonio Inoki for the Submission Match.
Falls Count Anywhere-- Odds are we're going to get Steve Austin or someone like a Hulk Hogan here. You're going to need the best that Japan can offer to take the best that America (..or Canada, I guess...) can throw at ya, and from what I can gather that is Misawa. Mitsuharu Misawa for Falls Count Anywhere.
Ladder / MITB Match-- What, did you think I was going to put Yoko here? I probably would have if this were in the Bar Room and if I hadn't already fucked up in the America Event Selection. I have a rep to recover, as it were.
At any rate, I would go with the man I believe to be incredibly agile and most likely completely at home with a match that is nothing but agility and speed. That man is Liger. I think he would be a great counter to RVD or HBK, whichever one gets the inevitable nod from America. Jushin Liger for Ladder/MITB Match.
Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal-- I like Tdigs' logic. Yoko should go no where near the Ladder match, I fear he doesn't have the longevity for a Ironman Match, and I doubt Yoko has any place in a Submission match. Yokozuna for Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal..because he doesn't have anywhere else to go, really.
Kenta Kobashi for the Ironman Match
Antonio Inoki for the Submission Match
Mitsuharu Misawa for Falls Count Anywhere
Jushin Liger for Ladder/MITB Match.
Yokozuna for Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal
Did you see the move Angle used to make Wolfe tap? Or any of his matches with Samoa Joe? Angle knows a lot more than just an Ankle Lock, and like Inoki, has a true love for MMA. He considered going into it before TNA, then again while he was TNA's champion, and has said in many interviews he would do it if the right opportunity came along.
Inoki is a true legend, so I'm not saying he won't get votes based on name value, but the "MMA + technician" thing would get matched up easily. You also need to consider he'd be facing whoever Canada puts in, and ever member of that team knows more than their share of submission moves and counters.
Yoko getting into the Spin The Wheel, Make The deal Match is almost laughable. Why there? What are the odds he really gets a Sumo Match? That's the only match I can see him pulling off a win. at least in a Falls Count Anywhere, he can maybe use some weapons, and it will be tough for anyone to keep him down for a pinfall.
Sheesh, how did I not see this thread earlier today.
Iron Man Match - Kenta Kobashi. The man is my avatar for a reason, and it's because I firmly believe he is the greatest professional wrestler to ever live. Not only because of my love for the man, but he has been involved in literally DOZENS if not HUNDREDS of matches that have lasted close to and over an hour in length. Japanese main events typically can be much, much longer than most American wrestling fans would be used to seeing. I could literally go find you like thirty matches involving Kobashi right now that have been up to or over an hour, and that's just off the top of my head. He's perfect here.
Submission Match - I suppose Antonio Inoki gets my vote here as well. Honestly I would have preferred someone else over Inoki on this team, but you can't argue the man's legend. He has submission wrestling and pancrase experience so he'll do well here.
Falls Count Anywhere Match - I was undecided on going with Kobashi or Misawa here, but in the end I went with Mitsuharu Misawa when I saw everyone else nominating him for this category. If we're going to have Misawa in one role, this one will do just fine. He's likely to defeat anyone that's thrown up at him IMO.
Ladder/MITB Match - Jushin Liger here. He has experience in ladder matches as well as being one of the hardest working guys on the planet for over twenty years now. Have you seen him in the Super J Cup this year? The guy STILL has it. Liger works here.
Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal - Yokozuna I suppose. He's the only one that's left. The fact that he's on this team at all is a fucking travesty. This spot would be so better used for someone like Kawada, Tsuruta, Taue, Akiyama, Muta, Chono, or many others.
This is the strongest team all around though IMO with Misawa and Kobashi, really there's no one that could defeat those two, we're just going to have to see how well the other members pan out. I'll be backing this team far though for sure.
To be honest you have great talents for Team Japan. It's sort of hard to really decide who goes where in away. Considering there are three guys that can compete in any match but the thing that gets me is the Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal match. You have a guy like Yokozuna that can only do one match like the Falls Count Anywhere but if he gets a good deal then your best bet is to go with him in that one. This is how I went with it.!
Individual Events - Round 1
Ironman (30, 45, 60 mins) Antonio Inoki this is just the best fit for a guy like this.
Submission Mitsuharu Misawa Is a great wrestler and this could be is to take.
Falls Count Anywhere Yokozuna or Kenta Kobashi For the safe size the best bet is to go with Yokozuna but then again Kenta Kobashi would be excellent in this match as well.
Ladder / MITB Match Jushin "Thunder" Liger Even Liger is a great wrestler and is capable of facing anyone and type of match I just feel like this would be his match though.
Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal as I stated earlier I would just flip a coin between Yokozuna and Kenta Kobashi because you just don't know what the match will be so. I could go either way with this.
Ironman Specialist: Mitsuharu Misawa
I was going to nominate Kenta, but Misawa has a lot more experience than him, equating to more matches and more understanding on everything. Knowing puro, Misawa would have been involved in multiple contests where these matches would go on forever and ever. Misawa was one of the best the industry has seen and has been proven to be a successful amateur wrestler. Why not stick him in a match where endurance and psychological prowess is needed, something up Misawa's alley?
Submissions Specialist: Antonio Inoki
I'm glad he made the team, because Inoki is a submissions freak who has a martial arts background. What possible combination could you hope for to better than that! Inoki could easily tear you limb from limb, disecting you like a science experiment, and lock on any hold he wishes to choose from his vast repertoire to end the match. Need a list?
- Sleeper Hold
- Multiple armbar variations
- Indian Deathlock
That's not all of what he knows and right there it attacks most of the human body in the legs, arms and head. It doesn't matter if the torso goes unharmed, Inoki needs his opponents to be able to breathe so he can take them through the pain he intends to deliver.
Falls Count Anywhere Specialist: Yokozuna
I'm with X/Mr. Eko on Yoko's usefulness. Why is he here? But, there is no chance in hell that I am wasting my vote on this guy.
Think about it... how in God's name are you seriously going to ground the guy if the elements of the match allow him to maneuver anywhere to keep his balance? Yoko is too large to ground for any simple man and will need weapons. But I wouldn't want to be in the way when Yoko is swinging around a chair.
Ladder Specialist: Jushin "Thunder" Liger
Easy choice here. This man has made a reputation of having great agility and speed, something you need in ladder matches. Liger has some essential experience needed to get through and defeat most of the other choices, and he doesn't even need the ladder as a weapon. If it were to come into play, you can believe Liger has a counter around him getting the hit.
Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal: Kenta Kobashi
I have been led to believe this guy is the shit of professional wrestling in the modern era and he has a great style that can work with anything. Well, rather than stick him in a particular match type, why not place him in an area where he can easily gain wins for his teams due to him being versatile? He is much like Shawn Michaels in that aspect, but he is younger and much, much more talented with in-ring ability.
I'm sure Kenta has the knowledge and the ability to walk into any match, get a couple of minutes to understand its surroundings and find his niche. Kenta can go long distances, due to both stamina and endurance. So, he won't be going down without a fight in any instance. I believe the entire StW, MtD event should be eradicate with all points given to Japan if Kenta goes through here.
Mitsuharu Misawa - Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal
Antonio Inoki - Submission
Jushin "Thunder" Liger - Ladder / MITB Match
Kenta Kobashi - Ironman (30, 45, 60 mins)
Yokozuna - Falls Count Anywhere
Inoki was the first stand out decision, considering that is an MMA guy, and also wrestles that kind of realistic hold based style. Yokozuna was also an immediate pick, because he's not going to win anywhere else. I doubt he'll win this either, to be honest. Unless there is a battle Royal, his inclusion is looking a bad idea for Japanese supporters.
All of the other three could comfortably wrestle for an hour, but I think Kobashi is probably slightly worse suited to the other options so I went with him. Misawa is the most versitile, so he gets a run out in spin the wheel, and the high octane Liger gets the ladder match, where he may be a dark horse medalist contender.
Official Team Japan Match Participants
Iron Man Match - Kenta Kobashi
Submission Match - Antonio Inoki
Falls Count Anywhere - Mitsuharu Misawa
Ladder / Money in the Bank - Jushin "Thunder" Liger
Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal - Yokozuna