[Official] Mr. McMahon Memorial Thread

[The Live Wire]

To all the people who say this sucks,

Give the WWE a damn break. Nothing is ever going to be good enough for you unless they build a time machine and bring us back to the attitude era. We all miss it but some of us can let it go. This angle is a great one, it has potential to be the biggest story in a while. I'm interested to see what happens and if there is a suspect i am interested to see who it is. Whoever it is, that person will be launched into superstardom. However, if that was the last time we see him on tv the only possible outcome is people obsessing over the fact that it was stupid because they read about him all the time and they see pictures of him ALIVE all the time. This storyline wont be ruined or stupid unless the fans make it that way. So before everyone jumps all over it and says they are only watching to see how bad it is just stop bein so annoying about it and let it ride. If you hate the WWE Creative team much, stop watching it.

 

[Prax]

Shockmaster, I think you're a little too sensitive here. I don't think it's a big deal that it was a car bombing... it obviously has nothing to do with the war in Irak and there were no mentions of a suicide bombing... it's like saying any movie where there's an explosion the writers are being insensitive... excuse me, but I find that kind of asinine. What do you want them to call it? Someone purposely put a bomb in Vince's car. It's a car bomb...

And as for them copying the Sopranos... wasn't the angle filmed Sunday night? So they would've either have had to have some sot of insider information or have acted REALLY quickly to set up that angle. So I don't think they're copying the Sopranos, I think some fans are just trying to find excuses to hate what was obviously a really good angle.

 

[Uncle Sam]

I cannot think of a single person that could've "whacked" ol' Vinnie Mac. Seriously, even in Vince's senile, crazy wrestling reality, this storyline is absolutely, positively MENTAL! Paul Heyman? "I was mad about being fired, so I thought a suitable solution would be to bomb him... now that's extreme... uh, bitch!". Hassan? "All Muslims are terrorists, be afraid. Allah akhbar. I will kill all white people for no reason. Except that I am Muslim, so I bombed Vince. Because he is American". Actually, I think we're all missing the obvious one. How about Vito coming back, repackaged as a mafia boss and it turns out he ordered the hit? But John Cena is not afriad, oh no, he can overcome any odds. John Cena vs. The Mafia at Vengeance. Who's gonna get whacked!?

 

[Lee]

The only reasonable explanation with him coming back is that he faked his own death. All others would suck if he suddenly turns up 6 months down the line and steph and shane are like oh you're alive dad and not care the week after. And plus it makes sense with all his alleged paranoia going on that it was just a big act. I'm quite hoping they could play this out correctly

 

[Prax]

The Vito thing, you know what, could actually work. Put him in there with Guido and a couple others and form a monster heel mafia group. I actually dig that a lot. But if they were to do a Mafia angle I would have to retract my post against what the Shockmaster said, lol.

 

[Shocky]

Live Wire, the reason why I say it sucks, is because, it sucks.

This is no different then Steve Austin dropping Triple H on the roof of his Car in 2000, and yet with a miracle, Triple H reappears two weeks later unscathed. It has nothing to do with the Attitude Era, but everything to do with a stupid storyline, it's simple as that.

All this is is Vince setting people up for the next few weeks trying to get a positive reaction for himself. When he sees that people actually liked him, he'll come back and be happy again, in turn pissing everyone off for faking his death, and yet we have another psycho McMahon storyline. It's a cycle of stupidity.

If Vince wanted to take time off the air, simply go away. This is now the third on-air "Death" of a wwe character in the last 3 years, it's getting stupid and unbelievable, and takes wrestling back another few steps.

Prax, I agree with a lot of what your saying, but tell that to some soldier watching from a VA hospital and seeing a car blow up, I don't think he's going to think its very entertaining. This angle is going to have the same negative stigma attached to it as Katie Vick.

 

[Mexican Geek]

I'm interested to see what happens and if there is a suspect i am interested to see who it is. Whoever it is, that person will be launched into superstardom.

Just like Rikishi....?

i think the story is great, just as you said it, but obviously, there's a lot of bad points on this...(as mentioned...)
1)the "car Bombing" concept: yep, i think they screwed it with that one, but what can you expect from the same guys that are bringing you Batista vs Edge for the N x10^999999999 time..
2)The "presumable dead":first, presumable for me its the word of the week, im using it here at the office, and is quite funny! i personally would prefered a disfigured Vince angle, all burned up, and making him look scary!!
3)the "Whodunit" angle: if worked well, could be excellent... but hey!! i got news for you! is Fucking Stephanie McMahon on the Top of the Food Chain! no way this can end properly well... thanks Steph!
4)"Botched" points at the explosion: Certainly, McMahon is...im sorry.. WAS, a Billionaire, but i cant imagine any Rich man having a SELF DRIVEN LIMO. Where was the driver? taking a piss while his boss dies in a CAR BOMBING? or maybe he was having a joint with RVD celebrating the Chris Benoit Trade to ECW?? and also, if you look (and hear) well, you can realize the switch popping before the explosion..
For those who incredibly believed that this was real...you havent see Chris Angel:MindFreak stunts i guess! LOL!

 

[Prax]

Major Update On The Limo Explosion From RAW
06/12/2007 by Ryan Clark

According to reports, WWE filmed the limo explosion on Sunday night in Wilkes-Barre, PA with an outside stunt team that helped coordinate the explosion. WWE had acquired local permits to do the stunt many weeks ago.

The footage of McMahon getting into his limo was shot live and then the company quickly spliced into the pre-taped footage of the limo explosion filmed on Sunday night. To keep the stunt going, WWE set the limo back on fire when fans exited the arena after the show came to a close.

It should also be noted that this stunt had been planned for at least two weeks now, so it really had nothing to do with the rather lackluster ending to "The Sopranos" on Sunday night. WWE did issue a press release earlier playing off the negative feedback to the show ending badly, but it really was just a case of something working out that was not planned to begin with.

Some WWE fans caught Vince McMahon leaving in another limo after the show came to a close last night.

It should also be noted that many within WWE had no idea about the big finale to last night's big WWE Draft show. It was said to be just as much of a surprise to the wrestlers backstage as it was for the fans in attendance and watching at home.

WWE issued a press release today addressing the angle, still playing up the storyline of course, but also referencing "The Sopranos" - something many wrestling fans instantly thought of when the angle went down.

So as you can see this was in the plans way ahead of the Sopranos ending, so it had nothing to do with that.

And Shockmaster, as for the soldier watching this, I can understand where you're coming from with this, and I certainly sympathize with your troops and mine from Canada in Afghanistan, but I still disagree with you. What's the difference between them watching RAW last night and them watching, say, 24 on Fox???

This isn't this kind of thread and I don't want to turn it into that kind of thread, but you can't say WWE is insensitive towards the troups, after all that they do for them throughout the year. It's an angle, and I'm sorry, but the people who pry these things out as a form of negativity towards the angles are just trying to hard to find reasons to hate the angles.

 

[ExtremeIronChef]

I can see the end result being disappointment because if/when Vince returns people are going to be saying, wow, he came back from the dead, he must be a god. But for me the biggest thing is the report where it said his body hasn't been found yet. That's a dead give a way that he somehow escaped and they can play on that when he returns to tv. I knew they would do something like that so it leaves it open for him to return to tv, possibly burned, scarred or some other disfigurement.

 

[X]

Shockmaster, I think you're a little too sensitive here. I don't think it's a big deal that it was a car bombing... it obviously has nothing to do with the war in Irak and there were no mentions of a suicide bombing... it's like saying any movie where there's an explosion the writers are being insensitive... excuse me, but I find that kind of asinine. What do you want them to call it? Someone purposely put a bomb in Vince's car. It's a car bomb...

And as for them copying the Sopranos... wasn't the angle filmed Sunday night? So they would've either have had to have some sot of insider information or have acted REALLY quickly to set up that angle. So I don't think they're copying the Sopranos, I think some fans are just trying to find excuses to hate what was obviously a really good angle.

You said it all perfectly Praxy. I was just bringing up the car bombing thing because I thought of it and found it interesting. But I mean, you can't say it wouldn't be something Vince wouldn't do. I mean, Vince is one sick motherfucker. He's a wrestling genius(most of the time) but my god this man has mental problems. All of the most asinine and disturbing storylines always come straight from him. I remember reading about how he proposed to Steph that they do a fucking INCEST storyline! I mean, jesus, how far can you go Vince? Necrophilia wasn't far enough? Vince is a sick man, and I think he needs mental help honestly. I mean with the whole Hassan fiasco, it wouldn't come as a shocker if next week they had a bunch of Muslims with AK's jump into the ring and start screaming in Arabic saying they killed Vince as part of the war on America. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised.

That said...I must ask Shocky and others who have said it...how in the FUCK is this a ripoff off the Sopranos in the slightest? They share absolutely ZERO similiarities whatsoever. People thought Tony Soprano would be whacked at the end of the last episode but he wasn't. Vince gets whacked in a car. Sounds exact opposite to me. They aren't even remotely related.

That being said I'm still digging this storyline never the less. I think alot of us longtime fans are being WAAAY to critical and picky of pretty much anything that ever shows up on WWE, ever. I mean, come on, aside from a wrestling clinic masterpiece, what IS it that some of you guys will enjoy? I'm sorry but like it was said before, the old days are gone, and they aren't coming back and you need to accept that. If you think it's shit, stop watching. If anything exciting happens you can always start watching again. But man I too am starting to get tired of every single night every person coming on here, even incredibly intelligent and well informed longtime wrestling fans are coming on here and saying "That sucked, this sucks, everything sucks, WWE sucks, push CM Punk, give us masterpieces of wrestling, fire John Cena, this sucks, that sucks, everything sucks." I mean come on guys...stop looking at everything so critically.

 

[Shocky]

Originally Quoted By: The Shocker Daily News

WWE released a false statement, stating that they did not watch the Soprano's the night before. They are in no way saying that once the Sopranos was over, they did not film that scene during the middle of the night and fabricate paperwork

See the Shocker Daily News is a wonderful website that never delivers wrong news. That line is bullshit.

I guess the only thing I could say with 24, is that is expected on that show, whereas wrestling is starting to get into the blurry area it doesn't need to go. I know it's all about pushing the envelope, but some times you don't want to cross the line, which this is getting to that point. I guess in the end though, it's got people talking, and that's what the WWE needs right now.

I think the criticism that this angle is getting is completely fair. I don't feel like I watch Raw to nitpick, but things that I find wrong, I will point out. The angle itself has been done before in one way, shape or form. The ending to this angle is painfully obvious you can see it from months away, that's the problem.

I've personally given the WWE a ton of respect, just check out the Draft thread. I praised 9 of the draft picks and only had something bad to say about 1. This has nothing to do with the attitude era at all in my opinion. The point is that this is a hot topic issue, and the WWE is going to be criticized, and the people need to expect the criticism. In the end though, Controversy Creates Cash.

 

[X]

What exactly are you trying to get at though Shocky? I mean...how is this even remotely related to the Sopranos? Seriously, I don't see a single thing similiar.

I didn't know that the Sopranos owned exclusive rights to car explosions or people getting killed.

I mean....where is the similiarty? Tony Soprano wasn't whacked, people just thought he would be. I mean seriously...can someone explain the similiarity here at all?

 

[Jonny B]

I still dig it though, I don't care what Jonny says, theres no fuckin way in hell anybody could've predicted that, no way.

So your saying I'm lying? Firstly it added nothing to the actual problem I had with the Angle so had I not actually seen it coming I'd of still thought it was crap, so lying about it accomplishes nothing apart from making me look like a fool. I saw it coming, hell even Jake said he saw it coming, it surprises me that more people didn't see it coming, it was obvious with all the bad stuff being said about Vince by almost everyone (during the show) and Vince having a feeling that something bad was going to happen to him, that something was going to happen to him on RAW. I spotted it a few moments before (probably when Coach directed him to his Limo), I didn't predict this weeks ago, I cottoned on to what was going to happen... usually I don't get things right, but its usually because I spot the most unlikely things, and in this case the unlikely thing I spotted just happened to actually happen.

One thing people who know me well will know is, I don't lie... ever.

 

[Mexican Geek]

some people didnt saw that one coming(Xfear,some other guys in the live thread, including me..), some people did(Jonny B and i think Shock..) but COME ON guys! instead of debating that, we should be organizing a Special Investigation Counter-terrorism Kickin-ass Unit, or S.I.C.K.-U. and hunting down the responsible for the tragedy that only brought $adne$$ and tear$ to Stephanie McMahon....AND Triple H, of course..
seriously, nobody is a liar or a blind guy, or whatever... its just a matter of focus, thats all... i was 200% sure that something BIG was behind the limo angle, but my idea was Some evil Driver taking McMahon as a Hostage, or maybe some other evil force waiting for McMahon in the rear seat, making a maniacal-evil-sick Deal to finish all of Vince enemies, like a super-henchman or stuff... i saw something coming, thats for sure!!

So, lets be all friends again, shall we? LOL! kiddin, kiddin!

 

[jlake226]

great job by wwe and vince with this angle .. i have no clue what is going to come of it but it was unexpected and that's what we all want .. and i just have to say that everybody that says they hate vince and vince is ruining wrestling they're all asses cus if it wasn't for vince mcmahon there wouldn't be wrestling .. they people all complain about it yet they watching every week so if you don't like it that much .. don't watch .. bottom line

 

[WrestlingDude]

well now theyre gonna do this angle on sumone was trying to assassinate vince mcmahon. so some of the suspects might be the ppl he had recently screwed over in "crazy mode". so it coulda been ashley, matt (and maybe jeff) hardy and etc. then again he coulda been "killed" by sumone who hated him from the past.

 

[wrestling247]

i think that in the end who ever "killed" Vince is gonna be someone we totaly did not expect, A person i would think of would be Eric B. i mean it was vince who threw eric in the garbage truck. But whoever it is im thinking total swerve with this storyline, Maby shane,coach,lashly, Whoever it is im excitied about this storyline as it will bring somthing fresh to the wwe.

 

[Ja_204]

I think the crazy angle is not working for me. We know that it is some set up for Lashley who is now going to be on Raw. There will be a match, or supposed to be a match and then poof. He is charged with Vince's death because he had motive, except for the fact on how the hell he could rig a car (and with little time as well).

 

[rvdiswhatsforme]

i think he will come back in a couple of months all bandaged up like a burn victim and johnathan coachman pointed him to the limo when vince was going the other way

 

[Shaft]

Its already old after watching ECW.

The crowd was booing after the bell rings..that was funny though.

I couldnt stand how Styles and Tazz were bitching and moaning about disrespecting him either, i mean, we're not stupid..we know hes not dead..and people are suppose to play along with this crap?

What makes it doubly worse, is when ACTUAL wrestlers who destroy their bodies in the ring pass away, and they ACTUALLY do the bell ringing...NOW THATS..disrespectful to those fallen legends.

 

[tweener316]

heres a thought remember when coach said vince your limo is this way maybe b/c of his condition there tryin to say he has all-timers or whatever its called and

Johnathan Coachman Set him up to bring Sleezy E Erik Bishoff bak to the wwe

just a thought

 

[Rock-N-Sock]

I know the storyline.. i am currently a wwe trainee at the chaotic wresting center.. I over heard our trainers talking about the story.. they said that the undertaker will bring back vince at survivor series. taker will come out to the ring with paul bearer and kneel in the middle of the ring. taker will take the ern and drink the substance in the ern. he will then say RISE!! and then the cooperate ministry no chance in hell music will play. the arena will go black and then the lights will come on with vince standing in the ring with viscera and gangrel. I know you may not believe me.. but that is what I heard.

 

[Bernkastel]

I didn't watch the 3 hour Raw, but I read the highlights on WWE.com and Wrestlezone. I was surprised to see that WWE has gone to this level to get ratings, but I can see why they would. To me this storyline is similar to the Who ran over Stone Cold Storyline, which saw several high profile feuds and matches created, and turned out to be a huge success. Maybe WWE is looking to do something similar with this storyline, perhaps making it last to Survivor Series or beyond. I can see in the future many superstars being dragged in to this feud as we try to figure out who killed Vince and what did they have to gain from his death.

 

[iget4:20higher]

im not tryin to be an ass to all you true wwe fans but it seems we got a true desperation move for ratings.and quite frankly it worked. good job wwe but now lol what are you gonna do your gonna eventually somehow someway get him on camera and yea youre gonna be lookin real stupid. they couldve just put him as in a coma or something so theyd look less stupid.way to think things out vince

 

[Downward Spiral]

^^Can't say that the ratings went skyrocketing because of this or the draft. In fact, they stayed exactly the same. I guess we'll have to wait and see how this affects the ratings, and I think once the whole McMahon is dead thing wears off, so will the ratings, and I think it will only be a slight jump if that. It is making news though, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a boom in ratings, although most know it's garbage anyway.

Onto what was one of the most stupid things we've seen in the WWE for the last few years: McMahon's 'death'. It seems pretty tasteless when you look at it, that they are going to portray this homicide angle, only to probably have McMahon return when he feels his break from TV is over. It will shock the marks and bore us, and I only hope this "Who Shot JR?" type thing will make something decent out of this crap. WrestleCrap, here this comes!

And regarding speculation that people could see this coming, I think what they mean is that they couldn't see this exact event coming, but something like this was going to happen. From my perspective, this was out of the blue and unexpected, so I didn't feel that way, but hell, maybe the WWE has gotten so predictable, that people can see these things coming. At least it gets McMahon off TV, and that could have good effects.