[Official] John Cena Thread

[Insanity_X]

I've been wondering why it is in particular that it is John Cena that is singled out by the IWC for being cr*p and having a repatitive moveset.

Lets face it he is n't great in the ring and his moveset is repetitive but that hardly qualifys him for the abuse that he recieves. There are plenty of other wrestlers with about the same level of abitity as Cena on WWE pay, look at Umaga, Chris Masters and Hulk Hogan. Cena was champ for nearly a year because he sold the most merchandice, put the butts in seats not because vinnie mac likes him, same reason as Batista and JBL were champs for so long. Lets face it the marks in the audience lap up Cena's gimmik and from the mind of an eight year old mark which action figure would you rather have the one of the WWE champion or the guy he beat on six separate occasions.

as for his limited moveset it's one hell of a lot more varied than Hogan who recieves a huge pop no matter what or how bad the match is. and lets not forget which wrestler first had the six moves of doom Bret Hart yet dispite him using the same formula to end the match he never recieves 'same old shit' chants. granted Bret is a better wrestler than Cena but you catch my drift.

Cena, yes the IWC's criticisms are true but does that really qualify him for 'if Cena wins we riot' signs? unlike Batista Cena doesnt really need to be carried he can put on an ok match himself. Unlike Randy Orton he isn't lazy in the ring, doesn't have an appauling backstage attitude, doesn't have a lack of respect, and has never been caught with drugs directly in violation of the wellbeing policy. Yet both of those wrestlers recieve their 'proper' responces from the fans.

rant over, have a nice day.

 

[johncena11]

Amen to that brother... thats exactly what i think... and its not all cena's fault that he doesnt have that many moves... well at least i think its not. I think the WWE doesnt want him to use all his moves. He probably can do a whole lot more becuz i doubt tehy wud let him join WWE if he only new five or six moves

 

[jericho9]

I really don't like Cena, but you make some very valid points. However...
You're right that Cena may have the same ability as Umaga and Masters, but it's not like they have a lot of fans anyway and the reason they don't catch as much crap is they're not in the spotlight as much as Cena. The bigger you are the more of a target you become.
I don't think anyone has ever considered Hulk Hogan a great technical wrestler. Hogan gets a pop because of sentimentality, and love him or hate him he put WWE on the map.
Bret Hart may have had very limited moves, but he made them look believable. We saw how he came up from training in the dungeon and the hard work he put in. What kind of adversity did Cena go through? I guess that's my problem. Cena never seemed to earn the title. When was his low point? When did he have to dig down and really go after something? Sure he may have worked his way up through the WWE ranks, but it was for his mic abilities. Vince saw he could make money off him and gave him the belt.

 

[mnvike2002]

Cena is terrible, but Umaga is even worse.

The reason people single out Cena and bash him is cuz WWE is pushing him as the top guy, and he's been champion for most of the last 2 years.

 

[jefferson411]

What kind of adversity did Cena go through?

He's black isn't he?

just kidding.

He catches so much shit beause he has been champion for forever, and even though he loses the belt on occassion, he never leaves the title scene, nor does he stay away from the belt for more than a month or two. So thats basically why, if Umaga or any of those other guys grabbed the belt they would get the same stuff as Cena does, probably worse since they have limited microphone presence, but only if they too held the belt for so freaking long.

When was the last time Cena was not in the title match at a PPV? The only time in 2006 that he wasn't main eventing was Royal Rumble when SD! main evented, and Vengeance which DX main evented, or any time that the title was not even being defended at the event.

People in general get tired of one guy always being on top anyways. Jarret is hated for hogging the title, HHH was hated for it, thats as far back as my knowledge goes though, I am young.

 

[jefferson411]

I think that being 7 something feet tall automatically counts as 10 moves.

I have always heard that Cena was much better at wrestling when he was in OVW than he is in WWE because they've limited his moveset, anyone know if thats true?

 

[Y 2 Jake]

The thing with Cena's moveset is that he has moves like the 5-Knuckle Shuffle that he insists on using in every match. He uses them because they alway's get heat good or bad. He's similar to The Rock in that respect. I've seen some video's of when Cena was starting out and he cartainly was no worse than he is now.

I used to be a Cena hater but over tha past year he's really impressed me. The worst match he's had on P.P.V. this year was against Triple H, and that's because he tried to make him have a wrestling match. His feud with Edge has been the best thing in Cena's whole career. Whilst wrestling an established main eventer has elevated Edge to the top, it's helped Cena far more. I also gained more respect for him at O.N.S.2. when he got booed out of the building and played a subtle heel to the ECW crowd.

 

[Moneymaker_90]

You are talking if 2 different things when it coms to Bret and Cena.
Bret's 6 moves of doom was the way he finalized the match, he had more moves than that. And it is a common thing to see wrestlers trademark a certain finish. Cena doesn't do that. He has the same moves for all the match. It doesn't bothers me if he has a trademark finish like now, what bothers me is that he doesn't have anything else.

 

[Skullz Crack'Em]

Vince expected Cena to be the next "Stone Cold" but it didn't turn out like that b/c Cena is rubbed in our faces as if we got to love this guy unlike Austin who got a natural fan base and Vince ran with it which led to Austin being one of the most loved superstars in WWE history. Cena gets repetitive, the last new move to his arsenal was the STFU but that was over a year ago, at least Batista is making improvements, last night he surprised me with few of the new moves he did(Rolling Senton especially). Cena needs to surprise the fans by doing a couple new moves that we wouldn't expect him to do so his matches would be shakened up a little then he might get a more positive response from critics.

 

[mudd2006]

And I wouldn't necessarily put Umaga in the same category as all those other guys, simply because he has a lot more moves he uses then most of the people you mentioned and unlike all of Cena's moves, they actually look like they would finish you off, unlike the F-U or the 5 Knuckle Shuffle. And though he is a good 100 lbs heavier then Cena he has twice the agility and speed that Cena has ever exhibited in a match. When was the last time you seen Cena jump from a standing position and hit someone with a spinning heel kick, oh yeah you have never seen him do that ever. Or how bout catching a 300 pounder and tossing them into the air before connecting with a samoan drop, nope he has never done that either. Or how about soaring of the top turnbuckle to connect with a splash on the opponent and then smoothly pop right back up to his feet as soon as he lands, hmm, once again the answer is no.

 

[jefferson411]

Twice is the agility and speed is a little much, and finishers don't have to be believable honestly. Rock bottom? A ddt would be much more painful than a rock bottom, all that is is falling on your back, no more painful than a sidewalk slam or something like that. Hogan's leg drop, and wasn't Andre the giants finisher just a body slam? I just think it is more in the delivery than in the believability, and Umaga delivers them like they would hurt, Cena doesn't do this as well. Rocky delivered the rock bottom like it would hurt and anything a 7'4 guy does to you is bound to hurt, but Hogans leg drop sucks. Cenas finisher is essentially the same move as Lesnars was, yet Lesnar made it look painful. Sometimes Cena does this very well, but more often than not it is "oh, the F-U" instead "OH!!! THE F-U!!!"

 

[justinsayne]

People in general get tired of one guy always being on top anyways. Jarret is hated for hogging the title, HHH was hated for it, thats as far back as my knowledge goes though, I am young.

Your 100% right as far as I'm cocerned, before HHH, Rock was getting heat for always being on top, and on SD! JBL was hated for the same reason, anytime some one holds the title for the better part of a year or more, with Jarret, JBL, and HHH they were all heels during thier long reigns so the fans were suppose to hate them, Cena is however going through this as a face so it creates a new problem, because the fans are booing someone that they are suppose to be cheering, what WWE should do is at WM23 have a match similiar to the Stone Cold/Rock match at WM17, and have Cena turn heel like Austin did

Cenas finisher is essentially the same move as Lesnars was, yet Lesnar made it look painful. Sometimes Cena does this very well, but more often than not it is "oh, the F-U" instead "OH!!! THE F-U!!!"

I disagree the FU and F5 are two completly different moves, the FU is basiclly a standing firemans carry, the F5 is a fire mans carry into a DDT witch makes look more devestating

 

[ConflictedX3]

I respect Cena and other wrestlers like Batista( who happens to be my favourite) but they get misused by the WWE and the problem is Vince McMahon. If Cena had a good brand like SD!, T-Lo would do good for him.

 

[jefferson411]

I respect Cena and other wrestlers like Batista( who happens to be my favourite) but they get misused by the WWE and the problem is Vince McMahon. If Cena had a good brand like SD!, T-Lo would do good for him.

HA!!!!!!! You understand that "T-LO" has no control over anything whatsoever right? He is just a character, he has about as much say so in what happens as a referee. Plus, Batista is on SD!?

Oh and my bad for saying the F-U and F-5 are the same, I was completely wrong on that, I admit it. Don't know what I was thinking.

 

[Cracker5000]

You have to give Cena some credit. He's the hardest working wrestler on the roster. He manages to do appearances on TV for his "film", commercials, appear on SD, work every night. But the fact is, he got to the top by being a "Hogan". Big, muscley, charasmatic. All his moves are recognisable like hogans.

 

[Dead Saint]

You only need to watch his matches when he first came into the wwe, he can wrestle but sadly higher ups have made him stale. He badly needs to turn heel.

He also needs to lose cleanly every now and again.

 

[I_Heart_Princess_P]

Like I said on another post he needs to lose the belt and stay away from the title scene for awhile. He should not turn heel, but get a little mean streak going on, so he won't be seen as so much a goody good.

 

[Punisher1205]

Like I said on another post he needs to lose the belt and stay away from the title scene for awhile. He should not turn heel, but get a little mean streak going on, so he won't be seen as so much a goody good.

I agree... a heel turn would make him just annoying. i mean, how is JOHN CENA supposed to be the EVIL MR MCMAHAN's(<--Spelling?) little henchman, I just dont know how well it would work... but a mean streak would be good. like after the whole losing the title to RVD, and going to ECW. He seemed to start pickin up some more people... he had that feeling of being pissed, and just wantin to kick ass. then he won the title... and what happened? they made him happy ole john.

Dont get me wrong, i like cena. but i do think he is a lil repetative, even if he didnt add more moves, maybe just like stealing the opponents finisher once and awhile, that would suprise me... of course thats used usually only when a smaller guy is goin against a big name... which with WWE making him the Unbeatable guy with a clean match, that would be hard to do... might not look too good... i dunno... so what you guys think about the match with Umaga for the championship? I think its just gonna be another DQ match, so cena stays champ, and Umaga is technically still "Undefeated"


also i agree with the guy that said the Cena Vs. Edge thing was really good. and it ended very well. that TLC match was awesome (xcept for a couple mess ups.)

Other things bout cena... his attitude after and during the end of the TLC match... what was up with that? i mean, i realise its supposed to be this special time for his dad and all that, but he could still be happy charismatic Cena once he one the dang title... or at least get excited...


I dunno, the Cena thing is pretty complicated.

 

[showtyme27]

I seen people put all kinds of thing but the fact is this John Cena is no where near as bad as people say, John Cena is the most entertaining character in wrestling today, say whatever you want about his wrestling ability which has been limited the truth is people are tried of Cena he's overexposed it's time for him to go heel or step out of the title picture for a while, now hear are some other random thought's about what i've seen writen, yes Cena had way more creative freedom in OVW his matches was better but everybody needs to realize every wrestler has a routine that they follow HHH,HBK,CM Punk,RVD, and any other wrestler you can think of so you can't say Cena is horrible but praise HBK when their routines are very simmiler, the F-U is a motified fireman's carry drop the F-5 is a motified fireman's carry throw, Brock rarely broght his opponents back down in the DDT position that's why I called it a throw the moves are very alike, as far as Batista picking it up lately I agree he has heard what the people think and is trying to change and show us more of him moves but it didn't shock me to see him use the moves he's been useing like the rolling senton slam because he used them regularly in OVW so to me he's just showing us a little more of his old moveset but it's still better than what we been getting so I won't complain, one last thing people keep stating that Umaga is a horrible wrestler, i'm not a fan of his samoan spike finisher either but that doesn't make him a bad or horrible wrestler in fact he is one of the better big men wrestling right now I loved him when he was with the Island Boyz as Ekmo Fatu, I loved him in 3 minute warnning as Jamal and I still love him now he's a great talent but not quite ready for a top title run, in closeing I want to say that fans just get tried of seeing a person on top for to long the same thing that's happening to Cena now happened to JBL, HHH, The Rock, Hogan, Stone Cold, people are ready for a change in him or the top spots and that really has nothing to do with Cena or his talent but more to us as fans and our short attension spans.

 

[lapel8533]

The average cena basher is a ecw mark. They resent what john cena is because he's the opposite of what they are. They like wrestler's who are like them. Low lifes.

I guess they'd rather look up to some convict who is so low that he would dismember peoples limbs. Much like the gang ms13 likes to do. They would even do this to there own fans. Kept on liking these people, it's leading wrestling to great places. Fools.

 

[cuckfena]

The average cena basher is a ecw mark. They recent what john cena is because he's the opposite of what they are. They like wrestler's who are like them. Low lifes.

I guess they'd rather look up to some convict who is so low that he would dismember peoples limbs. Much like the gang ms13 likes to do. They would even do this to there own fans. Kept on liking these people, it's leading wrestling to great places. Fools.

The Average Cena fan is a 9 year old boy or a teenage girl. They haven't been into wrestling for long and have the I.Q of roadkill.

You see how stupid it is to genralise about fans of a particular wrestler.

Cena is hated because he hasn't got the best ring skills, just above average mike skills and hasn't been seen to pay his "dues" but has got pushed to the extreme

 

[xwave7000]

I have to disagree - Cena's mic skills are probably the best after D-X in WWE right now - with Edge its the same old shit week in week out - whine and complain - With Cena last week we saw something different again - "As for your challenge - I accept" and that's all! Usually he's a brash loudmouth with an answer for everything - it was nice to see a change.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

the reason everyone hates cena so bad is the wwe tries to shove him down our throats and has him win in ridiculous situations...i mean cmon how much of a slap in the face is it to have a guy who is terrible at wrestling with no moves to beat kurt angle OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER....or to beat edge in TORONTO in a TLC match...made TRIPLE H TAP OUT at wrestlemania...ridiculous....how bout next he engages in a mat wrestling contest with angle in the backyard of the house angle grew up in and soundly defeats him...respect is earned. not forced....

 

[jefferson411]

I agree... a heel turn would make him just annoying. i mean, how is JOHN CENA supposed to be the EVIL MR MCMAHAN's(<--Spelling?) little henchman, I just dont know how well it would work... but a mean streak would be good. like after the whole losing the title to RVD, and going to ECW. He seemed to start pickin up some more people... he had that feeling of being pissed, and just wantin to kick ass. then he won the title... and what happened? they made him happy ole john.

I think you and Kurt Angle would get along well. Back in the day he was always pitching the idea of Angle champ and Cena chasing, he said that would work best, everyone thought h was just trying to get the title for himself, but it turns out he was right.I think Cena is good when he is chasing, but when he is champ he is not. He is great at the intensity thing. Last night when he had that cuban guy by the neck and started screaming, that was great and to see Cena do that more often than making stupid jokes will make me a Cena mark again. I would love to see a Cena heel turn, though, more than see him be a really intense face.

The average cena basher is a ecw mark. They resent what john cena is because he's the opposite of what they are. They like wrestler's who are like them. Low lifes.

I guess they'd rather look up to some convict who is so low that he would dismember peoples limbs. Much like the gang ms13 likes to do. They would even do this to there own fans. Kept on liking these people, it's leading wrestling to great places. Fools.

WTF are you talking about. Who is this gang? I am not an ECW mark and I am a Cena basher, usually, but I will give him credit when he does good things. I don't consider myself a low life, but I consider you an idiot. How the hell did you even come to that conclusion? We resent Cena for his limited wrestling ability, not because we are so jealous that he can't wrestle.

 

[Punisher1205]

I think Cena is good when he is chasing, but when he is champ he is not. He is great at the intensity thing. Last night when he had that cuban guy by the neck and started screaming, that was great and to see Cena do that more often than making stupid jokes will make me a Cena mark again. I would love to see a Cena heel turn, though, more than see him be a really intense face.

Yes, last night was a good night for cena... at least in my eyes... when i let loose on estrada... he needs to do that more often. also i was really hoping he would FU melina, that woulda been kinda funny.

Only thing i didnt like was the whole Masterlock challenge. cuz everyone knew cena wouldnt technically break the lock. and everyone knew he wouldnt lose the belt... so it was just kinda boring, watching and thinking... how can they do another one of these cena vs the unbeaten thing, only to have neither lose.