Needed Tag Teams

[themiz937]

Every body know's by now that WWE has a terrible Tag Team division with really only two or three Tag Teams. And the WWE just keep making it worse by wasting chances with new Tag Team Like the uso's and breaking up the hart dynasty and cryme tyme and giving the titles to Santino and Vladimir kozlov when i think New Nexus should of got them. But my actual qeustion is could the wwe fix their Tag Team division by bringing in more Tag Teams or making new Tag Teams i Would start by bringing in some teams from FCW i don't know what teams are in FCW but there must be some T.V worthy teams. They can make teams of Justin Gabriel and Heath Slater, Curt Hawkins and Trent Barreta, Daniel Bryan and Derick Bateman, Johny Curtis and R truth, Hart Dynasty, Booker T and Goldust and maybe make some teams from people like Evan Bourne, Darren Younge, Zack Ryder, Primo But i don't know There might be to many Tag Teams or some teams may not get over with the crowd. I think the only way this would work is if Vince really comited to getting these teams over and giving the Tag Team division some T.V time but i don't think that's happening any time soon but what do yous think what teams could the WWE add to make a better Tag Team division?

 

[Hollywood Naitch]

Dude try and use paragraphs when you post, it makes it alot easier for people to read and understand.

The WWE needs to seriously invest some time in regenerating their tag-team division if they ever want it to hit the heights again. However, it just doesnt seem like Vinny Mac has any interest in doing so right now, which is a big shame as I loved all the Attitude Era tag teams.

I would go with Curt Hawkins and Trent Barretta as a team, and perhaps Skip Sheffield and Michael Tarver when they return. Obviously there are the Uso's and Slater and Gabriel, so that would give 5 teams if you include Koztino.

If they were really serious about improving the tag team division, WWE would have to look outside the company and bring in a few teams who are actually TEAMS, not random wrestlers thrown together for a short run- e.g Rhodes and McIntyre.

Teams like The Kings of Wrestling- Chris Hero and Claudio Castagnoli, LAX if Hernandez ever left TNA, or The Briscoes (although they would need to tone down their style). Perhaps even Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas could return to dominate the tag-team ranks, or the Hart Dynasty could re-unite.

There are alot of options available to Vince, he just doesnt seem interested in any of them.

 

[WJDwjdWJDwjd]

There are so many thread on this already. The idea of putting together tag teams for whatever reason is so beaten to death in these forums. Isn't there and official "State of Tag Team Division" thread or something yet?

Firstly I'd like to just point out that WWE obviously isn't interested in tag team wrestling at the moment. There have not been any real tag team feuds lately. They need to start building actual storylines first before they beef up a tag team division that is getting no on air relevance. If they are just to make new tag teams and give them no on air relevance, it really defeats the purpose.

Secondly, not all tag teams need to be "real" or brought in together like teams such as the Usos or THD. Some teams that seem "throw together" end up working in the long run of things. I know I may get flamed for this, but the New Age Outlaws are honestly one of my favorite teams of all time. They were seemingly throw together at first. The former Roadie/Assistant of Jeff Jarrett and the a wrestler managed by the Honky Tonk Man. They were both irrelevant before being put together. All you need to do is give a team a little air time and make a story to make them look and give them a "real" feeling to the audience.

 

[JGlass]

The WWE needs to do no such thing, Natch. Tag wrestling is not important to the WWE and to most fans. The days of the Hardy Boyz and Edge and Christian, let alone Legion of Doom and Fabulous Freebirds, are long gone. The fans want single action now, not tag team wrestling, and that's just the way it is.

Tag team wrestling doesn't draw. Plain and simple. The reason WWE doesn't keep a lot of tag teams around is because they feel the talent could be better used to bolster their singles roster. People were skeptical when they broke up Miz and Morrison, and now they are two of the most entertaining wrestlers in the WWE. Tyson Kidd is getting television time and wrestled against DBD last week, and it's probable that we'll see both Kidd and Smith getting consistent time on the main shows within a year.

Having Santino and Kozlov hold the belts is fine, it allows other tag teams to compete on a fairly regular basis, thus getting them air time, and it's always entertaining television. Santino is one of the most enjoyable people to watch on Monday nights. As CM Punk said in a recent interview, "You can't get this type of entertainment anywhere else."

 

[Rock]

They need to make some new tag teams.There are only 3 or 4 teams which most of them are really bad imo.Also I don't think Santino and Koslov will keep the tag titles for a long time.

Like you said,it was a bad move when they broke the Hart Dynasty,and Cryme Tyme.
But I don't think that's really a big problem,but they must try and make new teams and push them to the top.

I don't like the Usos team,but I think they have potential,and they would make great tag champions if they reach the top.

 

[Scarefox]

The WWE needs to do no such thing, Natch. Tag wrestling is not important to the WWE and to most fans. The days of the Hardy Boyz and Edge and Christian, let alone Legion of Doom and Fabulous Freebirds, are long gone. The fans want single action now, not tag team wrestling, and that's just the way it is.

Tag team wrestling doesn't draw. Plain and simple. The reason WWE doesn't keep a lot of tag teams around is because they feel the talent could be better used to bolster their singles roster. People were skeptical when they broke up Miz and Morrison, and now they are two of the most entertaining wrestlers in the WWE. Tyson Kidd is getting television time and wrestled against DBD last week, and it's probable that we'll see both Kidd and Smith getting consistent time on the main shows within a year.

Having Santino and Kozlov hold the belts is fine, it allows other tag teams to compete on a fairly regular basis, thus getting them air time, and it's always entertaining television. Santino is one of the most enjoyable people to watch on Monday nights. As CM Punk said in a recent interview, "You can't get this type of entertainment anywhere else."

i for one like tag team wrestling gives a good starting point to check out potential in a wrestler and how the fans react.
people not wanting to see tag team wrestling ain't true at all they want to see tag team wrestling but not by jobbers or people who are in WWE's dogpen.

if WWE did put some effort into there tag team division they coudl(not saying they would) even overtake TNA wich imho has one of the best tag team divisions in wrestling.
they have people who actually can wrestle but are still rookies. Give them a air time by getting them known to the public and while in the tag team they can still have singles matches without breaking the tagteam up. if they're main event status in the guy you could start to think to break them up when they are ready for that. otherwise you can put the tag team titles on them and maybe if they are good enough and to give them more exposure the US belt/IC belt and have them defend those aswell.

so to come to my conclusion if WWE want they can have a good tag team division

 

[Awesomesauceinacup]

The WWE needs to do no such thing, Natch. Tag wrestling is not important to the WWE and to most fans. The days of the Hardy Boyz and Edge and Christian, let alone Legion of Doom and Fabulous Freebirds, are long gone. The fans want single action now, not tag team wrestling, and that's just the way it is.

Tag team wrestling doesn't draw. Plain and simple. The reason WWE doesn't keep a lot of tag teams around is because they feel the talent could be better used to bolster their singles roster. People were skeptical when they broke up Miz and Morrison, and now they are two of the most entertaining wrestlers in the WWE. Tyson Kidd is getting television time and wrestled against DBD last week, and it's probable that we'll see both Kidd and Smith getting consistent time on the main shows within a year.

Having Santino and Kozlov hold the belts is fine, it allows other tag teams to compete on a fairly regular basis, thus getting them air time, and it's always entertaining television. Santino is one of the most enjoyable people to watch on Monday nights. As CM Punk said in a recent interview, "You can't get this type of entertainment anywhere else."

Eh....I dont really agree with you that much about tag team wrestling. I think it can be saved, its just that there's no tag teams out there that people care about. Or just when they start to care about a team they get broken up. In TNA they have a decent tag division. The series between Beer Money and MCMG was amazing and the last couple matches really had the crowd on there feet. (big whoop right? 800 doesnt even compare with over 20 thousand lol)

Back in the day, the feuds between the Hardyz, the Dudleyz, and Edge & Christian was one of the bigger angles going on then. Because it innovated the Tables, Ladders, and Chairs match and people actually cared about those tag teams. New Age Outlaws were over thanks to Road Dogg entrance and them being in DX. Back before that tag team wrestling was just as much a major part of the main show. Even teams like Kane and Hurricane or Kane and RVD or Booker T and Goldust were over half way decently.

The problem now is that just when you start to like a team "Cryme Tyme" "Hart Dynasty" the wwe goes and breaks them apart and tries to push each individual member as a singles star. And it's just like.....not every wrestler who ever works a match is meant to be a huge singles star. They broke up Cryme Tyme and now Shad is future endeavored and JTG wrestles on superstars or something. Tyson Kidd has a bodyguard who never shows up and DHS is working on superstars in more tag matches with Yoshi Tatsu. Do you ever expect JTG to be a star? Like, feuding with Randy Orton or Cena in the main event for the world title star? No. Is Tyson Kidd ever going to main event wrestlemania? Yeah effing right. Sometimes wrestlers just work better as a tag team. If you take two mediocre guys with a limited fan base and put them together there mediocreness and there small fan base joins together and you have a great tag team with a great fan base.

But I guess it isn't worth it when the title you go after looks like a flattened penny you found on the rail road track.

If they want to save the tag division, you take Santino and Koslov (another example of two guys who weren't going to be anything higher then curtain jerking despite how hilarious santino is) and you have them feud new teams all the time. Go over Nexus, make the Uso's look credible by beating the champs in a non title match, create more tag teams with the guys who arent going to do anything decent Like Dibease and Barreta or Reks and make each team look good against Kostino. Then finally once Kostino is finally dethroned (big credibility to the team who finally pulls it off) for the love of God don't split up the friggen team. Keep them together and have them try to win the belts again. I hate it when they lose the belts and its just like...well thats it. I guess we should break them up.

Also...and im sure this has been suggested before but take NXT and create an all tag team edition. Six tag teams come onto the show and try to win a shot at the belts. Thats your test right there.....if nobody cares at all then maybe tag team wrestling is dead in the wwe.

 

[Capitan Gringo]

Does anyone else think that putting together a team like jeri-show, with two upper card members, and letting them dominate the division, whilst also bringing some prestige to the titles would work? Perhaps we are in need of a long title run by a strong team?

 

[911 JP]

Well i think that all the teams mentioned are solid contenders, i would add that since percy watson is getting a push to the big time through untelevised dark matches that he could be teamed with JTG, this was an idea i have had ever since NXT Season 2 and Cryme Tyme broke up.

 

[AK2V8]

Heres some ideas for some tag teams:

The Perfect Masterpiece (Dolph Ziggler and Chris Masters)
They have similar gimmicks

Celtic Clash (Sheamus and Drew McIntyre)
They are both celtic and would make a great heel tag team

Evan Bourne and Yoshi Tatsu:
A good highflying tag team

The Jamaican Invasion (Booker T and Kofi Kingston)
A nice gimmick for a tag team

 

[The 1-2-3 Killam]

Tag team wrestling is awesome when done correctly. The WWE doesn't do tag team wrestling. They have a bunch of guys who have no idea what they're doing as teams flop around in the ring, make a few tags, and follow the same standards as singles matches. It's a whole different world, and that's why tag teams used to be a huge deal. Teams came into wrestling as teams, and when they broke up it was a big deal. You got to find out if people could make it on their own without the support of their tag team partner. Nowadays it's more like "I wonder if they can survive as a tag team". If they don't, they'll just get jobbed out and fired a few months later. It's frustrating as all hell, and I want them to bring back tag wrestling as it is meant to be.

I remember at Wrestlemania 20 when there was not one, but TWO 4-Way tag team title matches. That's 8 tag teams at one PPV. Every single team had history, worked well together, and had a reason to be in the match. Booker T and RVD were the only team that was sort of thrown together, and even they were close friends who had wrestled together for years. The Bashams, the Dudley Boys, APA, La Resistance, Cade & Jindrak, Too Cool, and the World's Greatest Tag Team were all given time on ONE PPV EVENT! In a matter of 7 years the WWE has gone from having 8 teams legitimately fighting over two sets of tag belts, to one...sort of...team and a few factions...sort of...fighting over one set of titles. It's ridiculous.

The WWE could hire back La Resistance (they are free agents right now), push the Usos, put back together the Hart Dynasty (did they really expect them to make it on their own), use McIntyre and Sheamus (the Celtic Connection), and utilize the Nexus and Corre properly. That's six legit tag teams without trying very hard. The issue is, WWE has no idea how to handle people when they aren't in the midst of a push. You can still keep people relevant and not having them showcased every single week without fail. ESPECIALLY with tag teams.

 

[.]

There are currently teams that WWE had in tag teams in the past.

Zack Ryder and Curt Hawkins should be put back together. While they were an active Tean they were treated like jobbers and often lost to the likes of Hornswoggle & Finlay in what was really a glorified handicap match. They had the tag titles and their only defence was against Carlito and Primo which they lost.

Curt Hawkins proved with Vance Archer than he can work well in a team with literally anybody. With Vance they were a dyanmic team. They made some damn good moves together and their finishing move, though unoriginal looked stiff as hell. If anybody has to be put into the tag division it's Curt. He's also only 25 years of age

Zack Ryder. Wild and young like Hawkins.

Trent Barretta is another. The DudeBusters were one hell of a tandem aswell. Curt Hawkins is an ideal partner for him as those who watched FCW would know that Curt was the unofficial third member of the DudeBusters so they already have a history in tagging. Again he is young(Only 23) and has time to break out on his own.

Chavo Guerrero is another name. He has history with teaming but I doubt he would ever win the title but just be a team that could compete for the titles and make the champs look good.

Chris Masters could be a good name in the tag division also. He could form a team with Cody Rhodes considering neither appears to be about to break into the main event anytime soon. They both have a narcissistic gimmick and could be a good powerhouse/technician team.

Primo is yet another name. He was part of the first ever unified tag team with his brother the now released Carlito and though their reign was a lackluster and forgettable one, Primo could use a much needed storyline to get him back in the fray. Him and Zack Ryder could work as they seem to be in sync since teaming on superstars.

Put the Hart Dynasty back together for Pete's sake aswell. Both are doing nothing and need refreshment.

WWE could dow onders with all these guys if they bothered.

 

[The_Gene_Genie]

Personally I like tag team wrestling. The division itself tends to move in peaks and troughs; all the talent tends to arrive on the scene at the same time i.e. the very strong 80's/90's heyday with the likes of The Rockers, Hart Foundation, Demolition and LOD, then there was a bit of a lull before the New Age Outlaws, Dudley Boyz, Hardyz and Edge & Christian. Now nothing really.

With the focal point in WWE being on creating 'The Next Big Thing' in singles wrestling at the moment, something has to lose out time wise and unfortunately it would appear that it is the tag team division that is being made to suffer. I would rather they just dropped the Divas from wrestling and retained a little bit of focus with the tag teams. Nothing against the current crop of Divas, or women in general, just my personal preference.

That way they can continue to devote the inordinate amount of time with their talent drive and push those on the fringes through the tag team division in the hope that they unearth a diamond in the rough. I mean how many great singles stars spent years developing their in ring skills as part of a tag team? Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels are the obvious names that spring to mind.

There are a number of established teams plying their trade in the Indies at the moment; Jay & Mark Briscoe for example. Then you've still got former WWE stalwarts Shelton Benjamin & Charlie Haas. WWE missed a trick with both the Hart Dynasty and the Usos killing both off too early (Harts by splitting them too early and Usos by lack of perseverance and lack of creativity). They could also use the short term option of bringing back the likes of The Bashams, Highlanders, Haas & Benjamin; or utilise a little bit of financial clout to encourage MCMG or Beer Money Inc to abscond from TNA.

Another thing would be to bring in former tag team stars to specifically write for, train, manage or even team with the younger stars. I'm sure Jannetty, Neidhart, Rick Steiner, Road Warrior Animal, or the like would be greatful of the work (it doesn't have to be those named, just examples).

I could go on and on about tag team wrestling all day, but I fear I'm just wasting my breath.

 

[American Steamboat]

The WWE needs to do no such thing, Natch. Tag wrestling is not important to the WWE and to most fans. The days of the Hardy Boyz and Edge and Christian, let alone Legion of Doom and Fabulous Freebirds, are long gone. The fans want single action now, not tag team wrestling, and that's just the way it is.

Tag team wrestling doesn't draw. Plain and simple. The reason WWE doesn't keep a lot of tag teams around is because they feel the talent could be better used to bolster their singles roster. People were skeptical when they broke up Miz and Morrison, and now they are two of the most entertaining wrestlers in the WWE. Tyson Kidd is getting television time and wrestled against DBD last week, and it's probable that we'll see both Kidd and Smith getting consistent time on the main shows within a year.

Having Santino and Kozlov hold the belts is fine, it allows other tag teams to compete on a fairly regular basis, thus getting them air time, and it's always entertaining television. Santino is one of the most enjoyable people to watch on Monday nights. As CM Punk said in a recent interview, "You can't get this type of entertainment anywhere else."

Okay so that's why 75% of Raw main events are tag matches? Tag team wrestling DOES draw, look at the big business times in wrestling, the late 80s /early 90s and the attitude era. Both of those boom periods had a plethora of great tag teams, and many teams were extremely popular and profitable. If they would take the time to put together real teams, and let them develop as a team, they will sell merch and can help sell shows.

Edit: Here are some teams I think should be put together or put back together--

The DiBiase's (Ted and Brett)
The Hart Dynasty
Primo and Zach Ryder (with a name and or matching attires)(I would rather see Darren Young and ZR)
Barretta and Hawkins (^^^^)
Evan Bourne and Yoshi Tatsu
McIntyre/Sheamus

 

[JGlass]

Okay so that's why 75% of Raw main events are tag matches?

Don't insult my, or any other poster's intelligence by pulling bullshit facts out of your ass. Yes, they have tag matches sometimes, but those aren't tag teams, those are two megastars teaming up against two megastars. Tag team wrestling is when guys like Paul London and Brian Kendrick wrestle again Shad and JTG. Nobody wants to see nobodies who are suddenly competitive because they're a team, they want to see superstars.

Tag team wrestling DOES draw, look at the big business times in wrestling, the late 80s /early 90s and the attitude era. Both of those boom periods had a plethora of great tag teams, and many teams were extremely popular and profitable.

Don't make me laugh. The fans came to see Hulk Hogan and Macho Man Randy Savage, not The Rockers or LOD. It was the megastars that put the peoples' asses in seats, not a couple of tag teams.

If they would take the time to put together real teams, and let them develop as a team, they will sell merch and can help sell shows.

But why waste time developing tag teams that may or may not move merchandise when you can spend that time developing singles competitors that WILL move merchandise and can be used in multiple capacities. If you put time into developing Tyson Kidd as a solo star he could wrestle in the midcard with Daniel Bryan, he could eventually be in the main event, or he could even be thrown in with another guy to be in the tag division. Investing your time in solo competitors is much more worthwhile than investing it in teams.

 

[American Steamboat]

Don't insult my, or any other poster's intelligence by pulling bullshit facts out of your ass. Yes, they have tag matches sometimes, but those aren't tag teams, those are two megastars teaming up against two megastars. Tag team wrestling is when guys like Paul London and Brian Kendrick wrestle again Shad and JTG. Nobody wants to see nobodies who are suddenly competitive because they're a team, they want to see superstars.



Don't make me laugh. The fans came to see Hulk Hogan and Macho Man Randy Savage, not The Rockers or LOD. It was the megastars that put the peoples' asses in seats, not a couple of tag teams.



But why waste time developing tag teams that may or may not move merchandise when you can spend that time developing singles competitors that WILL move merchandise and can be used in multiple capacities. If you put time into developing Tyson Kidd as a solo star he could wrestle in the midcard with Daniel Bryan, he could eventually be in the main event, or he could even be thrown in with another guy to be in the tag division. Investing your time in solo competitors is much more worthwhile than investing it in teams.

I apologize, I didn't research every Raw tag match ever and do the math. It just seems to me that more often than not we see six man tag matches or tag matches in the main event. You're spouting bullshit if you don't think those tag teams contributed to the success of the WWE during those periods. The problem with taking the time to develop guys as singles stars like the ones I listed to put in tag teams, are unable to get over by themselves. Why waste time letting guys job out on superstars and get released? Sometimes guys who would never get over get over huge as a part of teams. Take the Dudley Boyz for example. Even after their success they tried to split them and it went terribly. Imagine if those guys had never been put together...do you think they would've made it? Probably not. I have a valid point/opinion, so you can shove your overly critical and personal response to my post up your ass.

 

[JGlass]

I apologize, I didn't research every Raw tag match ever and do the math. It just seems to me that more often than not we see six man tag matches or tag matches in the main event.

It's fairly rare that you see a main event tag match any time that's not a PPV build-up match. And once again, those aren't tag matches, those are two megastar faces teaming up to take on two megastar heels. There's a difference between that and London and Kendrick vs. the Colons.

You're spouting bullshit if you don't think those tag teams contributed to the success of the WWE during those periods.

And you're high off your ass if you think they were anything more than a minor attraction. If tens of thousands of fans showed up to MSG and didn't see LOD, they wouldn't care. If tens of thousands of fans showed up to MSG and didn't see Hulk Hogan, there would be riots.

The problem with taking the time to develop guys as singles stars like the ones I listed to put in tag teams, are unable to get over by themselves.

Not true. Sheamus is a top heel. Evan Bourne was getting a big push and was swelling in popularity before his inury. Ryder, Tatsu, Barreta, and McIntyre all have what it takes to get over by themselves, they just have either not gotten their push yet or have been pushed poorly.

Why waste time letting guys job out on superstars and get released?

Because every company needs jobbers. The ones that show promise get their push eventually, others get released. Such is life.

Sometimes guys who would never get over get over huge as a part of teams. Take the Dudley Boyz for example. Even after their success they tried to split them and it went terribly. Imagine if those guys had never been put together...do you think they would've made it? Probably not.

The Dudleys are shitty wrestlers to begin with, so that's already setting them back. Secondly, their only appeal is their goofiness and the fact that they've been a tag team since the dawn of time. If they hadn't made it, wrestling would have taken a minor hit, another team would have taken their place, and Botchamania would have a lot less material.

I have a valid point/opinion, so you can shove your overly critical and personal response to my post up your ass.

Welcome to Wrestlezone forums.

Edit: Here are some teams I think should be put together or put back together--

The DiBiase's (Ted and Brett)

The only one I approve of. Ted sucks, I don't know anything about Brett, but hopefully Brett can make something of himself and use Ted as a stepping stone because Ted is useless.

The Hart Dynasty

Too late. Besides, they were starting to become played out by the end of their reign. They both have what it takes to make it as singles stars. They could have a midcard title match at Mania in 3-4 years.

Primo and Zach Ryder (with a name and or matching attires)(I would rather see Darren Young and ZR)

I guess this would help them kill time, but they could use both of them to put over superstars getting pushes before these two get themselves pushed (I think Ryder has a push waiting for him in no more than a year, and Primo... who knows).

Barretta and Hawkins (^^^^)

I suppose it could work, but DudeBusters played out and nobody cared about them, so what would make them any better?

Evan Bourne and Yoshi Tatsu

Evan Bourne is too popular and talented to waste on a tag team. He'll be in the midcard when he returns.

[quote/]McIntyre/Sheamus[/QUOTE]

For everyone one good reason you give me regarding why these two should team up, I will give you three regarding why they should not. This is a STUPID idea.

 

[American Steamboat]

It's fairly rare that you see a main event tag match any time that's not a PPV build-up match. And once again, those aren't tag matches, those are two megastar faces teaming up to take on two megastar heels. There's a difference between that and London and Kendrick vs. the Colons.



And you're high off your ass if you think they were anything more than a minor attraction. If tens of thousands of fans showed up to MSG and didn't see LOD, they wouldn't care. If tens of thousands of fans showed up to MSG and didn't see Hulk Hogan, there would be riots.


Not true. Sheamus is a top heel. Evan Bourne was getting a big push and was swelling in popularity before his inury. Ryder, Tatsu, Barreta, and McIntyre all have what it takes to get over by themselves, they just have either not gotten their push yet or have been pushed poorly.



Because every company needs jobbers. The ones that show promise get their push eventually, others get released. Such is life.



The Dudleys are shitty wrestlers to begin with, so that's already setting them back. Secondly, their only appeal is their goofiness and the fact that they've been a tag team since the dawn of time. If they hadn't made it, wrestling would have taken a minor hit, another team would have taken their place, and Botchamania would have a lot less material.



Welcome to Wrestlezone forums.



The only one I approve of. Ted sucks, I don't know anything about Brett, but hopefully Brett can make something of himself and use Ted as a stepping stone because Ted is useless.



Too late. Besides, they were starting to become played out by the end of their reign. They both have what it takes to make it as singles stars. They could have a midcard title match at Mania in 3-4 years.



I guess this would help them kill time, but they could use both of them to put over superstars getting pushes before these two get themselves pushed (I think Ryder has a push waiting for him in no more than a year, and Primo... who knows).



I suppose it could work, but DudeBusters played out and nobody cared about them, so what would make them any better?




Evan Bourne is too popular and talented to waste on a tag team. He'll be in the midcard when he returns.

[quote/]McIntyre/Sheamus

For everyone one good reason you give me regarding why these two should team up, I will give you three regarding why they should not. This is a STUPID idea.[/QUOTE]

I never said all of the teams I listed needed to be put together or that all of the stars involved weren't already over. Sheamus and Drew would be a Rated RKO/Power Trip type team. OBVIOUSLY people came mostly to see Hogan or Austin. OF COURSE the main event guys are the biggest draws. What those eras had that the current does not is DEPTH in the card. I'm not just talking about tag teams, but midcarders, jobbers etc, most anyway, had feuds and storylines that meant something. And you're telling me that the Triangle Ladder Match at WM 16 didn't have a big part of selling that show? Obviously, the WWE Championship match was the main sell, but I think the tag title match was the other major seller. No one gave a shit about the TLC match at WM 17? Come on. And dude, what main event on Raw isn't a PPV build up match? Those matches ARE tag team matches even if they don't have regular teams genius. Yeah, I'm the one who's high bud. Maybe you should get high so you think longer before you say the crap you've been saying.

 

[CrayzChris]

The WWE has a huge roster right now, and the best way to showcase a lot of these guys is to create a formidable tag team division. I've always been a fan of tag team wrestling. It adds a different dynamic to the show. It's a great way to cleanse the pallet between singles matches. (That's why I also support a decent women's divison)

The WWE "youth movement" is in full effect. The problem is that most of these guys are very inexperienced, and don't really have a character yet. It's just a bunch of generic guys who serve no real purpose. Start using these guys to create tag teams. There's also a bunch of experienced guys on WWE TV who are just floundering.

Splitting up the Hart Dynasty was a terrible decision. I don't think they were ever actually given a chance to shine, because there were no decent teams for them to go up against. Smith & Kidd are two awesome athletes, and with the Hart name behind them - they seemed to be a no-brainer. But they split them up before they had a chance to peak. And for what? They were much better together than they are apart. At least together, they had an identity.

R-Truth and JTG should just team up. JTG is an awesome young talent, and his gimmick and R-Truth's gimmick are basically the same. I don't see R-Truth getting a major singles push anytime soon, so use him to elevate the tag division and give JTG a rub.

The fired Caylen Croft, so what's next for Trent Baretta? Superstars! Why not give him a new tag team partner? How about NXT's Derrick Bateman? Bateman's proved to be a little quirky, and Barretta's "Dudebusters" character would work well with Bateman. Let them team until they develop the skills they need to be breakout singles stars.

Yoshi Tatsu is another guy that the fans seem to get behind...but I don't see him getting a major push anytime soon either. Get him a tag team partner! How about Richie Steamboat? The son of the Dragon. He's hanging out in FCW, why not bring him in - without having to suffer through NXT?

Reunite Zack Ryder & Curt Hawkins. Neither one of them are really doing anything.

I know Kozlov is teaming with Santino....but Alex Koslov and Vladimir Kozlov just seem like a no-brainer pairing to me. Could be like a Russian version of the Holly's.

Also in development in Jinder Mahal - could be a great partner for Khali. Khali is a good guy to keep around due to his size and his popularity in India. But let's face it, he's terrible in the ring. So why not team him with a younger guy, who can actually carry a match - and make Khali a little more bearable.

And what about guys like Darren Young, Byron Saxton, Heath Slater, Michael McGillicutty, Husky Harris, Tyler Reks, Johnny Curtis, etc. Use these guys to make some solid tag teams. And let them actually develop. Don't just team people for a week, and have them turn on eachother for no reason.

Some of the biggest stars in the business came from Tag Teams. Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Davey Boy Smith, and Booker T ....just to name a few. They had time to mature, really learn their craft and establish a character for themselves. Would any of these guys have been as successful as they were in the business, if they were split up from their teammates earlier in their careers?

Would Shawn Michaels have been "the showstopper" if he was a singles wrestler in 1987, as opposed to teaming with Jannetty until 1992 - and having a chance to hone his skills, and gain the respect of the audience?

What about Booker T? Could you imagine if Booker T was brought in to WCW in the early 90's and pushed as a singles star? He would have never gotten over. But again, over time, he matured, and found a character that worked for him.

To me, there are a lot of guys on the WWE roster who are never going to become singles stars. Not at the rate they are going. But if they are put in a team, and given time to develop, they could be the mega-singles stars of the future.

 

[Daniel]

Tag team wrestling can be great. And I don't believe tag team wrestling should be looked down on. All that you need are good teams. Teams that fans actually care about. We had the Hardyz, Edge and Christian, Power Trip, etc. Why can't teams with that level of popularity be around nowadays?

WWE's tag division is in dire need of rejuvenation. This has been said for as long as I've been a member of this forum and it's true. As over as Santino is, people are turning off when Santino and Kozlov are on (inevitably wrestling The Nexus, The Corre or The Usos) and that's a problem.

First of all, the tag team division needs to be rebuilt around The Usos. They're the most talented team at the moment. They're good in the ring (I love their tag team finisher), have a unique look (twins!), and they are entertaining on the mic (watch their first promo). The Usos have so much potential as faces. They could be quite convincing as faces, battling The Nexus or The Corre.

Not convinced by The Nexus, how about a Celtic team of Sheamus and Drew McIntyre? Don't tell me you didn't think that they could be a tag team when they were working together in the Royal Rumble. I sure as hell did. Neither are doing much at the moment (especially if Triple H doesn't return soon to feud with Sheamus). They work well together and I don't think that it would be "lowering themselves".

The Hart Dynasty could be put back together. It's not like they have split violently and they're relationship is irretrievable. They shouldn't be by themselves in the first place, they're just not ready.

Johnny Curtis and Derrick Bateman are another duo who could make it as a tag team. They did it in FCW and were very entertaining. They work well together and could be a DX of the PG era. That's certainly how I see them.

 

[American Steamboat]

Some great ideas in the two posts above. Thank god most people on here have sense. I particularly like the idea of a Bateman/Curtis team, as they are both funny and quirky and could be a fun and entertaining duo. I also think that Byron Saxton and Dolph Ziggler would make a great team, obviously Ziggler is really catching on as a singles star but it could be a Miz/Riley type relationship, maybe they could be tag champs if and when Ziggler wins the world title.

 

[JGlass]

I never said all of the teams I listed needed to be put together or that all of the stars involved weren't already over.

Then why did you suggest them?

Sheamus and Drew would be a Rated RKO/Power Trip type team.

Rated-RKO was shit, and Sheamus and McIntyre aren't and will never be Triple H/Stone Cold level competitors. They would be neither of those teams, it would be useless.

OBVIOUSLY people came mostly to see Hogan or Austin. OF COURSE the main event guys are the biggest draws. What those eras had that the current does not is DEPTH in the card.

Are you fucking kidding me? The current WWE is way more deep than the Attitude Era ever was. Compare Wrestlemania X7 (widely considered to be one of the best Manias) to Wrestlemania 26 (also regarded as one of the best Manias. There was not a single match on the Wrestlemania 26 card that didn't involve a megastar of sorts. Seriously, if you exclude the divas match, all of those matches had at least one performer that was a megastar. Now look at X7 where you have matches like APA vs. Right to Censor and a Gimmick Battle Royal. There wasn't a single match at 26 that wasn't worthwhile, and X7 already had two throw away matches that were just used to eat up time. To say that the current WWE roster has less depth than the Attitude Era is ludicrous and makes me seriously question your knowledge on wrestling.

I'm not just talking about tag teams, but midcarders, jobbers etc, most anyway, had feuds and storylines that meant something.

No, that's just not true. Wrestling has always and will always have feuds for the sake of convenience.

And you're telling me that the Triangle Ladder Match at WM 16 didn't have a big part of selling that show? Obviously, the WWE Championship match was the main sell, but I think the tag title match was the other major seller. No one gave a shit about the TLC match at WM 17?

Both are fantastic matches, no doubt, but the Wrestlemania 2000 card was weak otherwise, and once again pales in comparison to Wrestlemania 26, a card where there were only 2 tag matches and one was the mandatory divas match.

And dude, what main event on Raw isn't a PPV build up match? Those matches ARE tag team matches even if they don't have regular teams genius. Yeah, I'm the one who's high bud. Maybe you should get high so you think longer before you say the crap you've been saying.

No, you're just unable to do critical reading, so either you're high or you have the reading comprehension skills of an elementary school student. The type of tag team wrestling you are suggesting is putting two guys into a dedicated team where they rarely compete separately. What the WWE does is put two singles stars together to form a temporary alliance in a tag team match. There's a difference between tag team wrestling and a tag team match. There's a difference between the Hart Dynasty vs. The Usos and Cena and Orton vs. CM Punk and Miz. The former is about the team, winning through team work, and using your combined skills to take apart your opponent. The latter is about the individual, where one tries to win by being the most powerful man in the ring, and where personal feuds are portrayed more than the actual wrestling. Go ahead, watch a Hart Dynasty vs. Usos match and then a RAW main event match and tell me there's not an obvious difference. One is tag team wrestling, the other is four singles stars in a tag team style match. I can't make this any simpler for you.

 

[IceMalenko]

Daniel Bryan and Jack Swagger - goofy faces that get it done in the ring (Bryan's "the next Steve Blackman" joke with Bateman on NXT and Swagger's Soaring Eagle).... or vicious heels out to make the entire tag team division tap out or pass out. Give 'em a Diva like AJ or Layla that always mocks opponents by offering a towel for them to throw. Also, this plays up the inter-brand nature of the tag team champions. If someone can take their belts away, Swagger & Bryan would most likely be forced to split up, ending their threat.

 

[American Steamboat]

Then why did you suggest them?



Rated-RKO was shit, and Sheamus and McIntyre aren't and will never be Triple H/Stone Cold level competitors. They would be neither of those teams, it would be useless.




Are you fucking kidding me? The current WWE is way more deep than the Attitude Era ever was. Compare Wrestlemania X7 (widely considered to be one of the best Manias) to Wrestlemania 26 (also regarded as one of the best Manias. There was not a single match on the Wrestlemania 26 card that didn't involve a megastar of sorts. Seriously, if you exclude the divas match, all of those matches had at least one performer that was a megastar. Now look at X7 where you have matches like APA vs. Right to Censor and a Gimmick Battle Royal. There wasn't a single match at 26 that wasn't worthwhile, and X7 already had two throw away matches that were just used to eat up time. To say that the current WWE roster has less depth than the Attitude Era is ludicrous and makes me seriously question your knowledge on wrestling.




No, that's just not true. Wrestling has always and will always have feuds for the sake of convenience.



Both are fantastic matches, no doubt, but the Wrestlemania 2000 card was weak otherwise, and once again pales in comparison to Wrestlemania 26, a card where there were only 2 tag matches and one was the mandatory divas match.



No, you're just unable to do critical reading, so either you're high or you have the reading comprehension skills of an elementary school student. The type of tag team wrestling you are suggesting is putting two guys into a dedicated team where they rarely compete separately. What the WWE does is put two singles stars together to form a temporary alliance in a tag team match. There's a difference between tag team wrestling and a tag team match. There's a difference between the Hart Dynasty vs. The Usos and Cena and Orton vs. CM Punk and Miz. The former is about the team, winning through team work, and using your combined skills to take apart your opponent. The latter is about the individual, where one tries to win by being the most powerful man in the ring, and where personal feuds are portrayed more than the actual wrestling. Go ahead, watch a Hart Dynasty vs. Usos match and then a RAW main event match and tell me there's not an obvious difference. One is tag team wrestling, the other is four singles stars in a tag team style match. I can't make this any simpler for you.

Wrong, wrong and wrong. First of all, I'm an English major, so I'll just get that out of the way quick. The current roster is NOT more deep than in the attitude era or the Hulkamania area which you neglected to comment about. Granted, there are better in ring performers these days, unfortunately, people don't give a shit about most of them. You mentioned the APA trying to refute my statement and yet they were extremely popular and if they came back today they would be more over than the majority of the roster. Jesus Christ dude I understand that there is a difference between tag teams and two stars put together for a main event match. What you literally said was that they weren't tag team matches, and I get what you're saying but I was pointing out that they are in fact matches with tag team rules. Basically, I'm being a smart ass. Funny that you question my reading comprehension skills and knowledge of wrestling. I'm starting to wonder if you're ten years old or something. Case in point: WWE does need to build their tag team division because they have fucking tag team titles. Simple. Tag teams can be draws, sometimes as big of draws as midcard single stars. Some guys can really benefit from being in a team, like almost everyone else in this thread has said. Keep on living in your own little world and keep thinking that you're the one who knows what they're talking about.

 

[JGlass]

Wrong, wrong and wrong. First of all, I'm an English major, so I'll just get that out of the way quick.

Congratulations at failing to impress anyone.

The current roster is NOT more deep than in the attitude era or the Hulkamania area which you neglected to comment about. Granted, there are better in ring performers these days, unfortunately, people don't give a shit about most of them.

Nearly anyone the WWE pushes is cared about. For instance, the only two wrestlers that didn't get a big reaction on Smackdown last Friday were Drew McIntyre and Chavo, and Chavo isn't even getting any sort of push. Everyone else got a loud reaction and were getting pushed. Sure, you can get rid of any two of those stars and replace them with a tag team, but why bother? Fact: Tag team wrestling is not as profitable as singles wrestling. Ask anyone who knows anything about wrestling.

You mentioned the APA trying to refute my statement and yet they were extremely popular and if they came back today they would be more over than the majority of the roster.

Uh, they were popular, not extremely popular. And even though they were popular, nobody cared about Right to Censor. Right to Censor was shit, and that match was a throw away match.

Jesus Christ dude I understand that there is a difference between tag teams and two stars put together for a main event match. What you literally said was that they weren't tag team matches, and I get what you're saying but I was pointing out that they are in fact matches with tag team rules. Basically, I'm being a smart ass.

Yes, but you get something different out of the main event tag matches than regular tag team matches, so they're not really tag-team matches (because they're not really a team), but just a singles match with tag team rules.

Funny that you question my reading comprehension skills and knowledge of wrestling. I'm starting to wonder if you're ten years old or something. Case in point: WWE does need to build their tag team division because they have fucking tag team titles.

Which are enjoyable enough with Koztino holding them and being challenged by the teams from Nexus and Corre and the various other challengers. Koztino is the best thing that's happened to the tag division since Miz and Morrison, and the WWE doesn't need to waste talent that would be better spent in singles competition to give Koztino competition.

Tag teams can be draws, sometimes as big of draws as midcard single stars. Some guys can really benefit from being in a team, like almost everyone else in this thread has said.

There have been guys who benefited from tag teams, yes, but look at all the top stars in the WWE today. Only two of them came from tag teams originally, and I'm of course referring to Edge and Miz. Cena, Orton, CM Punk, Big Show, Del Rio, Ziggler (since he is not Nicky from the Spirit Squad, he's an entirely different character), Sheamus, Barrett... all of them started out as singles competitors.

Keep on living in your own little world and keep thinking that you're the one who knows what they're talking about.

I know what I'm talking about more than you. All you have proven is that you're a tag wrestling mark and have provided few examples to prove that I'm wrong.