Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
people are getting their asses whipped left and right during this game
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I must admit, Megatron>>>Stormtrooper when it comes to football knowledge, and i like both guys.
No, it's not shocking, it's the fact that the program had problems, he fixed the problems, and then gets fired. They want to win more then they want quality people. He did what he was brought in to do, did it, then gets the axe because they don't like that he wasn't winning 10 games ("only" 9 wins in 2009). Shannon wasn't as bad as you make him out to be. He never really had a chance. This QB they played today (Morris) looks pretty fucking good. He'll maybe be the thing that turns them around, but now Shannon won't get the credit for it, even though he's the reason the kids there.I know, its a shocker that a high-profile college fired it's coach after 2 7-5 seasons, a 5-7 season, and one 9-3 season.![]()
No, Miami made the right move. That's like saying ND firing Charlie Weis was a bad move because, throwing out the one bad year in 07, he was .500 or better each year. (For the record it was the right move firing Weis, but it's a similar example)
They should expect to be relevant again, but the program never got a chance to turn around on-field. They seem to be expecting it at the expense of having quality people on their team, which is their problem. Miami always had off-field issues, they wanted to fix it, so they bring in Randy Shannon, who FIXED THE DAMN PROBLEMS. They don't like that he isn't winning National Championships, so he's fired.The fact is, Miami EXPECTS to be relevant in the national title picture again, and I see no problem with that. They're in Florida, one of the biggest recruiting bases in all of America. Hell, you probably wouldn't have to move out of a 50 mile radius of the campus and you could field a credible team. Shannon was a decent recruiter and did a good job at changing the image of the program from a bunch of thugs, but he wasn't that good of a coach.
we have different philosophies. He doesn't seem to give a shit if his players kill people or steal things or commit violations of the rules/laws. I prefer to have good standing citizens/athletes.I must admit, Megatron>>>Stormtrooper when it comes to football knowledge, and i like both guys.
I'm going out. I'm heading to a bar for the night (in fact, I meant to leave 20 minutes ago, but this thread kept me here). Otherwise I'd keep the game on. Besides, my football night can't get no damn better. ND killed Miami, and UCF won (rooting fro them and I root against the SEC in these games). And I got to hear Lou Holtz as happy as he'll ever be (ND won and his son won).Uh no, he is done for the night.
Why shit did you turn it off!!!!!!
No, it's not shocking, it's the fact that the program had problems, he fixed the problems, and then gets fired. They want to win more then they want quality people. He did what he was brought in to do, did it, then gets the axe because they don't like that he wasn't winning 10 games ("only" 9 wins in 2009). Shannon wasn't as bad as you make him out to be. He never really had a chance. This QB they played today (Morris) looks pretty fucking good. He'll maybe be the thing that turns them around, but now Shannon won't get the credit for it, even though he's the reason the kids there.
Weis BCS Bowls- 2You really are pathetic. It wasn't even close to similar, because Shannon actually had SUCCESS at Miami, making the program respectable off the field, and pretty solid on it (1 non-winning season, a 5-7 2007). Weis had NO successes at Notre Dame, especially once he had to use HIS recruits. Shannon wasn't total shit on the field (0 losing seasons, if you take out 2007, which for some reason you wanted to do) and his record off the field was phenomenal.
ND under Weis was worse on the field then before (3 consecutive non-winning regular seasons, the most single season losses in school history), and had no positive change off it (because they don't have off-field problems). In fact, the coach/campus relations were way worse, he was hated by alumni.
Don't go comparing the 2, when you obviously don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
They should expect to be relevant again, but the program never got a chance to turn around on-field. They seem to be expecting it at the expense of having quality people on their team, which is their problem. Miami always had off-field issues, they wanted to fix it, so they bring in Randy Shannon, who FIXED THE DAMN PROBLEMS. They don't like that he isn't winning National Championships, so he's fired.
Again, they hired him because their problem wasn't on the field, it was off the field. And again, yes, they weren't great on the field, and I'm not saying he didn't need to get fired. All I said is that he did what they asked him to do, which is turn the program around off the field. And in only 3 years he wasn't given the chance to succeed with his own guys. The kids he brought in might be really fucking good, and he won't get the chance to coach them, because they cut the cord too early.I'm sorry, if Miami wanted an image consultant they would've hired one. They hired Shannon to be a head COACH which means, y'know, winning games. A .500ish record over a 4 year span at fucking MIAMI isn't going to cut it. Christ, Larry Coker went 60-15 (a whopping .800 win percent) and got canned. Shannon did a good job in fixing the image, I'm not saying he didn't, but finishing only 3rd best in your own division in the 5th best BCS conference isn't going to cut it, especially when they year after (this year) they regressed the way they did. He was 3-4 against Miami's in-state rivals (USF, FSU, Florida) including losing to USF for the first time in program history. If he's recruiting all of these talented players from Florida (and theres a shit ton of them) why could he only field a 7-5 football team this year? Hint: He's not that good of a coach. At least not good enough to be at Miami.
Weis made 2 BCS Bowls with Ty Willinghams players. And I bet people bitched and moaned about them being there, since they likely got in because of name value one of those years. You wanna bring up the 6-6 season (that he got fired for)? Good. He started 6-2, then they couldn't beat fucking Navy (who we beat 41 out of the past 42 games) at home, Stanford (8-5, but ND was expected to win), and UConn (no, not basketball, FOOTBALL) at home. This was all after starting 6-2 and having great hope for an 8-win season after going 3-9 and 6-6 (+1 bowl win) the years before. We all thought they were turning it around, and instead they shit the bed and regress.Weis BCS Bowls- 2
Shannon BCS Bowls (and ACC Championship appearances) - 0
That's what it all comes down to. Weis, no matter what you say, had two BCS bowl berths. Yes, they lost, but that's more of an accomplishment then Shannon can say (where his biggest bowl was the Champs Sports Bowl). Weis definitely had more success, because he had a 10 win season, along with a 9, those two BCS appearances, and a season of 7-6 and 6-6. If Shannon is given a pass for two 7-5 seasons, then Weis definitely should get a pass for those two, since he had success at the start of the season.
And he was gonna take the MAIMI job? Dude, he was an SEC guy who was jumping at the Bama job because it's the SEC. He would NEVER have taken the Miami job, and to think otherwise is sad.And Miami wasn't? Shannons first season was the first in 25 years (non suspended, that is) that the U didn't even become bowl eligible. And his career record is the worst since they became the 'U' (with Howard Schnellenberger). Hell, let's look at some other notable coaching hires after the 06 season, the same time Shannon was hired for the U, just to see how successful he REALLY was:
Alabama - Nick Saban. Oh, he only has a national championship already, along with another BCS bowl and a Capital One Bowl bid in 4 seasons. Definitely more successful then Shannon.
OOOOOH the CAPITAL ONE BOWL. OOOOOOH.Michigan State - Mark Dantonio. Well, he's won MSU's first Big 10 championship in 20 years this year, has been bowl eligible every year, and has 2 Capital One bowl berths. Definitely more successful then Shannon.
Butch Davis was already at Miami (and had success). However, it's unlikely he would have gone BACK there. And he hasn't been all that successful in North Carolina, anyway.North Carolina - Butch Davis. He's had 3 consecutive 8-5 seasons, 2 years where he was above Miami in the ACC standings (and two lower) he also didn't regress this year. I'd say they're about even, but since Shannon's at Miami (which has loftier expectations by far) I'd say Davis was/is more successful.
Yes, he's been more successful. Although again, it's not a guarantee he'd be just as successful, nor that he would even want the Maimi job.Stanford - Jim Harbaugh. Had two non winning seasons to start off, but has followed that up with 8-5 and 11-1 seasons at Stanford which, if you didn't know, is a tough place to win. Considering everyone with a coaching vacancy wants him, and he's reached a BCS bowl at Stanford, I'd say he's more successful.
And?????? Yes, 3 schools (not UNC) had slightly more success. That has fuck all to do with Miami.Look, there's 4 programs (3 with not nearly the amount of prestige of Miami) that have had more (arguable with UNC) success then Shannon had during his time at Miami.
ND - Hired a man (Weis) who they thought would make them into National title contenders. After 2 BCS seasons, it was mediocrity from there and he was canned after 5 years with a winning record because he didn't bring ND back to the national title picture like they wanted and was continuously owned by his main rivals (UM, MSU, USC).
Let me fix this.
ND: Hired Weis (to replace a guy that many people felt didn't deserve to be fired since he had a winning record, was successful, and was immensely popular) because they thought he'd lead them to the National Title. After 1.5 successful seasons with his predecessors players, the team was mediocre at best (including the worst season in ND history). He got pwned by the schools rivals a lot, failed to bring them a National Championship contending team, and was hated by everyone off the field for being an arrogant asshole that thought he was better then everyone.
Time to fix this too:Miami - Hired a man (Shannon) who they thought would make them into National title contenders. After the programs first losing season that wasn't sanctioned in 25 years, he went 7-5 twice (mediocrity) squeezed in with a 9-3 record (yet still 3rd place in the division). He got fired because he didn't bring them back to even conference champions, let alone national title relevance, and was owned by all 3 in-state rivals (FSU, USF, Florida)
The U: Hired Shannon because they thought he'd fix their off-field issues, as well as produce quality football. He gave them a winning record as a head coach, and recruited very well (the classes were ranked).
Not in the fucking least. Weis was the biggest asshole in the universe whose worst was 10 times worse then Shannons. Weis recruited decently, but couldn't do anything with them, and was universally hated by everyone associated with Notre Dame. AND Weis's only success was with his predecessors (who wasn't given the chance to succeed and was immensely popular) players.Well damn, it almost looks like these two are identical to each other, just with the names switched around. I think its a great comparison, actually.
1. Why do you assume that every coach in America wants the Miami job?Shannon has had 4 years to fix it. Nick Saban won a national title in his 3rd season. Fucking PAUL JOHNSON won the ACC title in his 2nd year at Georgia Tech. Mark Dantonio helped MSU win it's first big 10 Championship in 20 years. Bo Pelini has led Nebraska to 3 Big 12 Championship games in all 3 years he's been there, with 2 of those being 10-4 seasons. Bobby Petrino led Arkansas to a BCS bowl in their 3rd season (this year) with a 10-2 record. Bill Stewart at West Virginia has been 9-4 in all 3 years there, yet he's getting canned after next year because he DIDN'T WIN ENOUGH. Gene Chizik was hired two years ago and is IN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP already, as is Chip Kelly. Damn, there's 8 guys there, all around the country, that have had much more success then Shannon in the same (or even less) time period.
2. They hired Al Fucking Golden. Yeah, he's this amazing coach all right.
3. Paul Johnsons a good coach.
4. yes, those guys had more success. What does that has to do with Miami? Fuck all.
I never said they should be ecstatic with his job so far. What I was saying is that he should have been given a little more time, and a lot more credit. He turned the program around, and it's not like he had a shit year every year. He was 9-3 int he regular season in 2009, with his own players. This year (playing a redshirt freshman QB for 4 games) he was 7-5.Shannon had two jobs to do, 1) clean the program up, and 2) win and win alot. Shannon has done half of that. Doing half of a job after 4 years is going to get you canned, ESPECIALLY at Miami. Shannon has had mild (at best) success at Miami, and you'd be an idiot if you said that Miami should be happy with that.
And by firing him, they say that they don't care about what their players do off the field, just that they play good football. So it's back to being the Convicts for Miami. Too bad, because they got away from that, and had decent football too.
Again, they hired him because their problem wasn't on the field, it was off the field. And again, yes, they weren't great on the field, and I'm not saying he didn't need to get fired. All I said is that he did what they asked him to do, which is turn the program around off the field. And in only 3 years he wasn't given the chance to succeed with his own guys. The kids he brought in might be really fucking good, and he won't get the chance to coach them, because they cut the cord too early.
Weis made 2 BCS Bowls with Ty Willinghams players. And I bet people bitched and moaned about them being there, since they likely got in because of name value one of those years. You wanna bring up the 6-6 season (that he got fired for)? Good. He started 6-2, then they couldn't beat fucking Navy (who we beat 41 out of the past 42 games) at home, Stanford (8-5, but ND was expected to win), and UConn (no, not basketball, FOOTBALL) at home. This was all after starting 6-2 and having great hope for an 8-win season after going 3-9 and 6-6 (+1 bowl win) the years before. We all thought they were turning it around, and instead they shit the bed and regress.
And again, Weis totally fucked up the relations between the football program and the rest of the campus/community, as well as the alumni. Not because of the play on the field, but because he was beyond an arrogant fuck off of it. Randy Shannon can say that he took a program that was shit off the field and made it respectable, all the while having decent play on-field, but without getting a chance to really show what his players could do.
And he was gonna take the MAIMI job? Dude, he was an SEC guy who was jumping at the Bama job because it's the SEC. He would NEVER have taken the Miami job, and to think otherwise is sad.
OOOOOH the CAPITAL ONE BOWL. OOOOOOH.
Yes, Danonio is successful. No question about it. Although he is 0-3 in Bowl games, and does have a losing season to his name (6-7 in 2008).
but OH WAIT, LETS LOOK AT THEIR RECORDS!
Shannons first 3 years: 23-15
Dantonio's first 3 years: 22-17.
Yep, Dantonio's better all right.
Butch Davis was already at Miami (and had success). However, it's unlikely he would have gone BACK there. And he hasn't been all that successful in North Carolina, anyway.
Yes, he's been more successful. Although again, it's not a guarantee he'd be just as successful, nor that he would even want the Maimi job.
And?????? Yes, 3 schools (not UNC) had slightly more success. That has fuck all to do with Miami.
ND: Hired Weis (to replace a guy that many people felt didn't deserve to be fired since he had a winning record, was successful, and was immensely popular) because they thought he'd lead them to the National Title. After 1.5 successful seasons with his predecessors players, the team was mediocre at best (including the worst season in ND history). He got pwned by the schools rivals a lot, failed to bring them a National Championship contending team, and was hated by everyone off the field for being an arrogant asshole that thought he was better then everyone.
Time to fix this too:
The U: Hired Shannon because they thought he'd fix their off-field issues, as well as produce quality football. He gave them a winning record as a head coach, and recruited very well (the classes were ranked).
Not in the fucking least. Weis was the biggest asshole in the universe whose worst was 10 times worse then Shannons. Weis recruited decently, but couldn't do anything with them, and was universally hated by everyone associated with Notre Dame. AND Weis's only success was with his predecessors (who wasn't given the chance to succeed and was immensely popular) players.
1. Why do you assume that every coach in America wants the Miami job?
2. They hired Al Fucking Golden. Yeah, he's this amazing coach all right.
4. yes, those guys had more success. What does that has to do with Miami? Fuck all.
I never said they should be ecstatic with his job so far. What I was saying is that he should have been given a little more time, and a lot more credit. He turned the program around, and it's not like he had a shit year every year. He was 9-3 int he regular season in 2009, with his own players. This year (playing a redshirt freshman QB for 4 games) he was 7-5.
And by firing him, they say that they don't care about what their players do off the field, just that they play good football. So it's back to being the Convicts for Miami. Too bad, because they got away from that, and had decent football too.