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Sorry, I never got a chance to reply to this, so I'm doing it now.

I know, its a shocker that a high-profile college fired it's coach after 2 7-5 seasons, a 5-7 season, and one 9-3 season. :disappointed:
No, it's not shocking, it's the fact that the program had problems, he fixed the problems, and then gets fired. They want to win more then they want quality people. He did what he was brought in to do, did it, then gets the axe because they don't like that he wasn't winning 10 games ("only" 9 wins in 2009). Shannon wasn't as bad as you make him out to be. He never really had a chance. This QB they played today (Morris) looks pretty fucking good. He'll maybe be the thing that turns them around, but now Shannon won't get the credit for it, even though he's the reason the kids there.

No, Miami made the right move. That's like saying ND firing Charlie Weis was a bad move because, throwing out the one bad year in 07, he was .500 or better each year. (For the record it was the right move firing Weis, but it's a similar example)
:disappointed: You really are pathetic. It wasn't even close to similar, because Shannon actually had SUCCESS at Miami, making the program respectable off the field, and pretty solid on it (1 non-winning season, a 5-7 2007). Weis had NO successes at Notre Dame, especially once he had to use HIS recruits. Shannon wasn't total shit on the field (0 losing seasons, if you take out 2007, which for some reason you wanted to do) and his record off the field was phenomenal. ND under Weis was worse on the field then before (3 consecutive non-winning regular seasons, the most single season losses in school history), and had no positive change off it (because they don't have off-field problems). In fact, the coach/campus relations were way worse, he was hated by alumni.

Don't go comparing the 2, when you obviously don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

The fact is, Miami EXPECTS to be relevant in the national title picture again, and I see no problem with that. They're in Florida, one of the biggest recruiting bases in all of America. Hell, you probably wouldn't have to move out of a 50 mile radius of the campus and you could field a credible team. Shannon was a decent recruiter and did a good job at changing the image of the program from a bunch of thugs, but he wasn't that good of a coach.
They should expect to be relevant again, but the program never got a chance to turn around on-field. They seem to be expecting it at the expense of having quality people on their team, which is their problem. Miami always had off-field issues, they wanted to fix it, so they bring in Randy Shannon, who FIXED THE DAMN PROBLEMS. They don't like that he isn't winning National Championships, so he's fired.
 
I must admit, Megatron>>>Stormtrooper when it comes to football knowledge, and i like both guys.
we have different philosophies. He doesn't seem to give a shit if his players kill people or steal things or commit violations of the rules/laws. I prefer to have good standing citizens/athletes.

And I do agree that Mega is pretty knowledgeable, and I like him. Do I think he's 3 >'s better then me? No, I don't think he's even 1 > better then me. I'd say it's about =, or ST >->>> Mega.

And yes, I'm bias.

I turned off the game, did Lattimore come back? If he doesn't, they might be fucked.
 
Uh no, he is done for the night.


Why shit did you turn it off!!!!!!
I'm going out. I'm heading to a bar for the night (in fact, I meant to leave 20 minutes ago, but this thread kept me here). Otherwise I'd keep the game on. Besides, my football night can't get no damn better. ND killed Miami, and UCF won (rooting fro them and I root against the SEC in these games). And I got to hear Lou Holtz as happy as he'll ever be (ND won and his son won).

Last I saw they said his return was questionable (mouth injury), so that's why I asked. I see it's 6-0 FSU (I turned it off right before the 2nd FG).
 
I'm going to murder the thread for the Sugar Bowl. Kniles Davis is going to run that ball right up the ass of OSU.
 
No, it's not shocking, it's the fact that the program had problems, he fixed the problems, and then gets fired. They want to win more then they want quality people. He did what he was brought in to do, did it, then gets the axe because they don't like that he wasn't winning 10 games ("only" 9 wins in 2009). Shannon wasn't as bad as you make him out to be. He never really had a chance. This QB they played today (Morris) looks pretty fucking good. He'll maybe be the thing that turns them around, but now Shannon won't get the credit for it, even though he's the reason the kids there.

I'm sorry, if Miami wanted an image consultant they would've hired one. They hired Shannon to be a head COACH which means, y'know, winning games. A .500ish record over a 4 year span at fucking MIAMI isn't going to cut it. Christ, Larry Coker went 60-15 (a whopping .800 win percent) and got canned. Shannon did a good job in fixing the image, I'm not saying he didn't, but finishing only 3rd best in your own division in the 5th best BCS conference isn't going to cut it, especially when they year after (this year) they regressed the way they did. He was 3-4 against Miami's in-state rivals (USF, FSU, Florida) including losing to USF for the first time in program history. If he's recruiting all of these talented players from Florida (and theres a shit ton of them) why could he only field a 7-5 football team this year? Hint: He's not that good of a coach. At least not good enough to be at Miami.

:disappointed: You really are pathetic. It wasn't even close to similar, because Shannon actually had SUCCESS at Miami, making the program respectable off the field, and pretty solid on it (1 non-winning season, a 5-7 2007). Weis had NO successes at Notre Dame, especially once he had to use HIS recruits. Shannon wasn't total shit on the field (0 losing seasons, if you take out 2007, which for some reason you wanted to do) and his record off the field was phenomenal.
Weis BCS Bowls- 2
Shannon BCS Bowls (and ACC Championship appearances) - 0

That's what it all comes down to. Weis, no matter what you say, had two BCS bowl berths. Yes, they lost, but that's more of an accomplishment then Shannon can say (where his biggest bowl was the Champs Sports Bowl). Weis definitely had more success, because he had a 10 win season, along with a 9, those two BCS appearances, and a season of 7-6 and 6-6. If Shannon is given a pass for two 7-5 seasons, then Weis definitely should get a pass for those two, since he had success at the start of the season.

ND under Weis was worse on the field then before (3 consecutive non-winning regular seasons, the most single season losses in school history), and had no positive change off it (because they don't have off-field problems). In fact, the coach/campus relations were way worse, he was hated by alumni.

And Miami wasn't? Shannons first season was the first in 25 years (non suspended, that is) that the U didn't even become bowl eligible. And his career record is the worst since they became the 'U' (with Howard Schnellenberger). Hell, let's look at some other notable coaching hires after the 06 season, the same time Shannon was hired for the U, just to see how successful he REALLY was:

Alabama - Nick Saban. Oh, he only has a national championship already, along with another BCS bowl and a Capital One Bowl bid in 4 seasons. Definitely more successful then Shannon.
Michigan State - Mark Dantonio. Well, he's won MSU's first Big 10 championship in 20 years this year, has been bowl eligible every year, and has 2 Capital One bowl berths. Definitely more successful then Shannon.
North Carolina - Butch Davis. He's had 3 consecutive 8-5 seasons, 2 years where he was above Miami in the ACC standings (and two lower) he also didn't regress this year. I'd say they're about even, but since Shannon's at Miami (which has loftier expectations by far) I'd say Davis was/is more successful.
Stanford - Jim Harbaugh. Had two non winning seasons to start off, but has followed that up with 8-5 and 11-1 seasons at Stanford which, if you didn't know, is a tough place to win. Considering everyone with a coaching vacancy wants him, and he's reached a BCS bowl at Stanford, I'd say he's more successful.

Look, there's 4 programs (3 with not nearly the amount of prestige of Miami) that have had more (arguable with UNC) success then Shannon had during his time at Miami.

Don't go comparing the 2, when you obviously don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Hmm, let's see:

ND - Hired a man (Weis) who they thought would make them into National title contenders. After 2 BCS seasons, it was mediocrity from there and he was canned after 5 years with a winning record because he didn't bring ND back to the national title picture like they wanted and was continuously owned by his main rivals (UM, MSU, USC).
Miami - Hired a man (Shannon) who they thought would make them into National title contenders. After the programs first losing season that wasn't sanctioned in 25 years, he went 7-5 twice (mediocrity) squeezed in with a 9-3 record (yet still 3rd place in the division). He got fired because he didn't bring them back to even conference champions, let alone national title relevance, and was owned by all 3 in-state rivals (FSU, USF, Florida)

Well damn, it almost looks like these two are identical to each other, just with the names switched around. I think its a great comparison, actually.

They should expect to be relevant again, but the program never got a chance to turn around on-field. They seem to be expecting it at the expense of having quality people on their team, which is their problem. Miami always had off-field issues, they wanted to fix it, so they bring in Randy Shannon, who FIXED THE DAMN PROBLEMS. They don't like that he isn't winning National Championships, so he's fired.

Shannon has had 4 years to fix it. Nick Saban won a national title in his 3rd season. Fucking PAUL JOHNSON won the ACC title in his 2nd year at Georgia Tech. Mark Dantonio helped MSU win it's first big 10 Championship in 20 years. Bo Pelini has led Nebraska to 3 Big 12 Championship games in all 3 years he's been there, with 2 of those being 10-4 seasons. Bobby Petrino led Arkansas to a BCS bowl in their 3rd season (this year) with a 10-2 record. Bill Stewart at West Virginia has been 9-4 in all 3 years there, yet he's getting canned after next year because he DIDN'T WIN ENOUGH. Gene Chizik was hired two years ago and is IN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP already, as is Chip Kelly. Damn, there's 8 guys there, all around the country, that have had much more success then Shannon in the same (or even less) time period.

Shannon had two jobs to do, 1) clean the program up, and 2) win and win alot. Shannon has done half of that. Doing half of a job after 4 years is going to get you canned, ESPECIALLY at Miami. Shannon has had mild (at best) success at Miami, and you'd be an idiot if you said that Miami should be happy with that.
 
I'm sorry, if Miami wanted an image consultant they would've hired one. They hired Shannon to be a head COACH which means, y'know, winning games. A .500ish record over a 4 year span at fucking MIAMI isn't going to cut it. Christ, Larry Coker went 60-15 (a whopping .800 win percent) and got canned. Shannon did a good job in fixing the image, I'm not saying he didn't, but finishing only 3rd best in your own division in the 5th best BCS conference isn't going to cut it, especially when they year after (this year) they regressed the way they did. He was 3-4 against Miami's in-state rivals (USF, FSU, Florida) including losing to USF for the first time in program history. If he's recruiting all of these talented players from Florida (and theres a shit ton of them) why could he only field a 7-5 football team this year? Hint: He's not that good of a coach. At least not good enough to be at Miami.
Again, they hired him because their problem wasn't on the field, it was off the field. And again, yes, they weren't great on the field, and I'm not saying he didn't need to get fired. All I said is that he did what they asked him to do, which is turn the program around off the field. And in only 3 years he wasn't given the chance to succeed with his own guys. The kids he brought in might be really fucking good, and he won't get the chance to coach them, because they cut the cord too early.

Weis BCS Bowls- 2
Shannon BCS Bowls (and ACC Championship appearances) - 0

That's what it all comes down to. Weis, no matter what you say, had two BCS bowl berths. Yes, they lost, but that's more of an accomplishment then Shannon can say (where his biggest bowl was the Champs Sports Bowl). Weis definitely had more success, because he had a 10 win season, along with a 9, those two BCS appearances, and a season of 7-6 and 6-6. If Shannon is given a pass for two 7-5 seasons, then Weis definitely should get a pass for those two, since he had success at the start of the season.
Weis made 2 BCS Bowls with Ty Willinghams players. And I bet people bitched and moaned about them being there, since they likely got in because of name value one of those years. You wanna bring up the 6-6 season (that he got fired for)? Good. He started 6-2, then they couldn't beat fucking Navy (who we beat 41 out of the past 42 games) at home, Stanford (8-5, but ND was expected to win), and UConn (no, not basketball, FOOTBALL) at home. This was all after starting 6-2 and having great hope for an 8-win season after going 3-9 and 6-6 (+1 bowl win) the years before. We all thought they were turning it around, and instead they shit the bed and regress.

And again, Weis totally fucked up the relations between the football program and the rest of the campus/community, as well as the alumni. Not because of the play on the field, but because he was beyond an arrogant fuck off of it. Randy Shannon can say that he took a program that was shit off the field and made it respectable, all the while having decent play on-field, but without getting a chance to really show what his players could do.


And Miami wasn't? Shannons first season was the first in 25 years (non suspended, that is) that the U didn't even become bowl eligible. And his career record is the worst since they became the 'U' (with Howard Schnellenberger). Hell, let's look at some other notable coaching hires after the 06 season, the same time Shannon was hired for the U, just to see how successful he REALLY was:

Alabama - Nick Saban. Oh, he only has a national championship already, along with another BCS bowl and a Capital One Bowl bid in 4 seasons. Definitely more successful then Shannon.
And he was gonna take the MAIMI job? Dude, he was an SEC guy who was jumping at the Bama job because it's the SEC. He would NEVER have taken the Miami job, and to think otherwise is sad.

Michigan State - Mark Dantonio. Well, he's won MSU's first Big 10 championship in 20 years this year, has been bowl eligible every year, and has 2 Capital One bowl berths. Definitely more successful then Shannon.
OOOOOH the CAPITAL ONE BOWL. OOOOOOH.

Yes, Danonio is successful. No question about it. Although he is 0-3 in Bowl games, and does have a losing season to his name (6-7 in 2008).
but OH WAIT, LETS LOOK AT THEIR RECORDS!
Shannons first 3 years: 23-15
Dantonio's first 3 years: 22-17.

Yep, Dantonio's better all right.


North Carolina - Butch Davis. He's had 3 consecutive 8-5 seasons, 2 years where he was above Miami in the ACC standings (and two lower) he also didn't regress this year. I'd say they're about even, but since Shannon's at Miami (which has loftier expectations by far) I'd say Davis was/is more successful.
Butch Davis was already at Miami (and had success). However, it's unlikely he would have gone BACK there. And he hasn't been all that successful in North Carolina, anyway.


Stanford - Jim Harbaugh. Had two non winning seasons to start off, but has followed that up with 8-5 and 11-1 seasons at Stanford which, if you didn't know, is a tough place to win. Considering everyone with a coaching vacancy wants him, and he's reached a BCS bowl at Stanford, I'd say he's more successful.
Yes, he's been more successful. Although again, it's not a guarantee he'd be just as successful, nor that he would even want the Maimi job.

Look, there's 4 programs (3 with not nearly the amount of prestige of Miami) that have had more (arguable with UNC) success then Shannon had during his time at Miami.
And?????? Yes, 3 schools (not UNC) had slightly more success. That has fuck all to do with Miami.


ND - Hired a man (Weis) who they thought would make them into National title contenders. After 2 BCS seasons, it was mediocrity from there and he was canned after 5 years with a winning record because he didn't bring ND back to the national title picture like they wanted and was continuously owned by his main rivals (UM, MSU, USC).
Let me fix this.
ND: Hired Weis (to replace a guy that many people felt didn't deserve to be fired since he had a winning record, was successful, and was immensely popular) because they thought he'd lead them to the National Title. After 1.5 successful seasons with his predecessors players, the team was mediocre at best (including the worst season in ND history). He got pwned by the schools rivals a lot, failed to bring them a National Championship contending team, and was hated by everyone off the field for being an arrogant asshole that thought he was better then everyone.

Miami - Hired a man (Shannon) who they thought would make them into National title contenders. After the programs first losing season that wasn't sanctioned in 25 years, he went 7-5 twice (mediocrity) squeezed in with a 9-3 record (yet still 3rd place in the division). He got fired because he didn't bring them back to even conference champions, let alone national title relevance, and was owned by all 3 in-state rivals (FSU, USF, Florida)
Time to fix this too:
The U: Hired Shannon because they thought he'd fix their off-field issues, as well as produce quality football. He gave them a winning record as a head coach, and recruited very well (the classes were ranked).


Well damn, it almost looks like these two are identical to each other, just with the names switched around. I think its a great comparison, actually.
Not in the fucking least. Weis was the biggest asshole in the universe whose worst was 10 times worse then Shannons. Weis recruited decently, but couldn't do anything with them, and was universally hated by everyone associated with Notre Dame. AND Weis's only success was with his predecessors (who wasn't given the chance to succeed and was immensely popular) players.


Shannon has had 4 years to fix it. Nick Saban won a national title in his 3rd season. Fucking PAUL JOHNSON won the ACC title in his 2nd year at Georgia Tech. Mark Dantonio helped MSU win it's first big 10 Championship in 20 years. Bo Pelini has led Nebraska to 3 Big 12 Championship games in all 3 years he's been there, with 2 of those being 10-4 seasons. Bobby Petrino led Arkansas to a BCS bowl in their 3rd season (this year) with a 10-2 record. Bill Stewart at West Virginia has been 9-4 in all 3 years there, yet he's getting canned after next year because he DIDN'T WIN ENOUGH. Gene Chizik was hired two years ago and is IN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP already, as is Chip Kelly. Damn, there's 8 guys there, all around the country, that have had much more success then Shannon in the same (or even less) time period.
1. Why do you assume that every coach in America wants the Miami job?
2. They hired Al Fucking Golden. Yeah, he's this amazing coach all right.
3. Paul Johnsons a good coach.
4. yes, those guys had more success. What does that has to do with Miami? Fuck all.


Shannon had two jobs to do, 1) clean the program up, and 2) win and win alot. Shannon has done half of that. Doing half of a job after 4 years is going to get you canned, ESPECIALLY at Miami. Shannon has had mild (at best) success at Miami, and you'd be an idiot if you said that Miami should be happy with that.
I never said they should be ecstatic with his job so far. What I was saying is that he should have been given a little more time, and a lot more credit. He turned the program around, and it's not like he had a shit year every year. He was 9-3 int he regular season in 2009, with his own players. This year (playing a redshirt freshman QB for 4 games) he was 7-5.

And by firing him, they say that they don't care about what their players do off the field, just that they play good football. So it's back to being the Convicts for Miami. Too bad, because they got away from that, and had decent football too.
 
Christ MSU needs to recruit the speed like Alabama. MSU's players are so much slower compared to Bama's its not even funny.
 
Again, they hired him because their problem wasn't on the field, it was off the field. And again, yes, they weren't great on the field, and I'm not saying he didn't need to get fired. All I said is that he did what they asked him to do, which is turn the program around off the field. And in only 3 years he wasn't given the chance to succeed with his own guys. The kids he brought in might be really fucking good, and he won't get the chance to coach them, because they cut the cord too early.

They didn't cut the cord too early. He was given 4 years to make them into a contender in the ACC. This year was his first year with all of his players and they went 7-6. Average.

And if you aren't saying that he didn't need to get fired, there's no reason to argue.
Weis made 2 BCS Bowls with Ty Willinghams players. And I bet people bitched and moaned about them being there, since they likely got in because of name value one of those years. You wanna bring up the 6-6 season (that he got fired for)? Good. He started 6-2, then they couldn't beat fucking Navy (who we beat 41 out of the past 42 games) at home, Stanford (8-5, but ND was expected to win), and UConn (no, not basketball, FOOTBALL) at home. This was all after starting 6-2 and having great hope for an 8-win season after going 3-9 and 6-6 (+1 bowl win) the years before. We all thought they were turning it around, and instead they shit the bed and regress.

I'm not arguing that Weis shouldn't have been fired. But you said he had less success then Shannon, which is completely false.
And again, Weis totally fucked up the relations between the football program and the rest of the campus/community, as well as the alumni. Not because of the play on the field, but because he was beyond an arrogant fuck off of it. Randy Shannon can say that he took a program that was shit off the field and made it respectable, all the while having decent play on-field, but without getting a chance to really show what his players could do.

He was given four years to fix them. That's 4 recruiting classes and all he can do at Miami is 7-6?
And he was gonna take the MAIMI job? Dude, he was an SEC guy who was jumping at the Bama job because it's the SEC. He would NEVER have taken the Miami job, and to think otherwise is sad.

I'm giving you examples of coaches who've done much better then Shannon has since he was hired. I never said they were going to go to Miami. But these are highers that have done much better jobs during the same time.

OOOOOH the CAPITAL ONE BOWL. OOOOOOH.

Yes, Danonio is successful. No question about it. Although he is 0-3 in Bowl games, and does have a losing season to his name (6-7 in 2008).
but OH WAIT, LETS LOOK AT THEIR RECORDS!
Shannons first 3 years: 23-15
Dantonio's first 3 years: 22-17.

Yep, Dantonio's better all right.

First of all, the Capital One Bowl is considered as one of (along with the Cotton Bowl) the biggest non BCS-Bowls. And he would've takent this team to a BCS bowl, but because of a stupid rule OSU and Wisconsin got in.

And why are you only taking their first 3 years? They've both been there for four. And what has Shannon done? 28-22, 16-16 in the poor ACC. Dantonio? 33-18, 20-12 in the Big Ten, with a Big 10 Championship and a bowl berth each year. Why you are only taking 3 years (which excludes Dantonio's best year) is beyond me.

You're fucking stupid if you think Shannon is a better coach then Dantonio. And Shannon has a lot more of an opportunity to get better players since Miami's in sunny florida, while MSU plays in freezing Michigan.

Butch Davis was already at Miami (and had success). However, it's unlikely he would have gone BACK there. And he hasn't been all that successful in North Carolina, anyway.

I said it was about a draw, although Davis hasn't regressed at UNC like Shannon did this year.

Yes, he's been more successful. Although again, it's not a guarantee he'd be just as successful, nor that he would even want the Maimi job.

He's won at a place that has no tradition, has higher expectations (academically speaking) and has fielded poor teams many years before Harbaugh got there. I'm not saying he'd go to Miami, but these are all guys that were hired at the same time as Shannon and have done much better jobs then what he did.

And?????? Yes, 3 schools (not UNC) had slightly more success. That has fuck all to do with Miami.

That's saying that Shannon wasn't the right hire because there's many guys around the country that have been doing much better then him during the same timeframe.

ND: Hired Weis (to replace a guy that many people felt didn't deserve to be fired since he had a winning record, was successful, and was immensely popular) because they thought he'd lead them to the National Title. After 1.5 successful seasons with his predecessors players, the team was mediocre at best (including the worst season in ND history). He got pwned by the schools rivals a lot, failed to bring them a National Championship contending team, and was hated by everyone off the field for being an arrogant asshole that thought he was better then everyone.

I still don't know why we're arguing about this. I'm not trying to make it sound like he should've stayed. He deserved to be canned.


Time to fix this too:
The U: Hired Shannon because they thought he'd fix their off-field issues, as well as produce quality football. He gave them a winning record as a head coach, and recruited very well (the classes were ranked).

Shannon isn't a great coach. If he can get all of these great recruits that you're bragging about, he should be able to translate that into a winner. 7-6 isn't a winner. That's an average football team with better then average talent. Shannon shouldn't be surprised he got canned with the results that he brought.

Not in the fucking least. Weis was the biggest asshole in the universe whose worst was 10 times worse then Shannons. Weis recruited decently, but couldn't do anything with them, and was universally hated by everyone associated with Notre Dame. AND Weis's only success was with his predecessors (who wasn't given the chance to succeed and was immensely popular) players.

Yet on the field they're about equal in wins and losses. Weis was a bad coach, no doubt. But Randy Shannon was an average at best coach, and average isn't going to cut it at Miami.

1. Why do you assume that every coach in America wants the Miami job?

Did I say they wanted the job? No. But every single one of those hires has done much better jobs on the field in the same amount of time, showing the failures of Shannon as a head coach.
2. They hired Al Fucking Golden. Yeah, he's this amazing coach all right.

He's at least proven he can win somewhere before he was hired. Miami was Shannons first job as HC and he was average. Golden took a really, really bad Temple team and got them to the MAC Championship and had another 8-4 season this year. He's a better coach then Shannon for sure.

4. yes, those guys had more success. What does that has to do with Miami? Fuck all.

It shows that Miami missed on their head coaching hire when all of these guys around the country are winning and they are stuck in the middle of the pack in the ACC. Why keep a guy that's gonna give you 7-5 every year?

I never said they should be ecstatic with his job so far. What I was saying is that he should have been given a little more time, and a lot more credit. He turned the program around, and it's not like he had a shit year every year. He was 9-3 int he regular season in 2009, with his own players. This year (playing a redshirt freshman QB for 4 games) he was 7-5.

7-5 is average. This is fucking MIAMI. If this was Baylor or Louisville or NC State that'd be good, but at Miami 7-5 is bad. Miami clearly regressed this year and he couldn't beat the teams he needed to (rivals) consistently.

And by firing him, they say that they don't care about what their players do off the field, just that they play good football. So it's back to being the Convicts for Miami. Too bad, because they got away from that, and had decent football too.

You're making stupid-ass blind assumptions. Miami is a FOOTBALL TEAM. Yes, they're glad that he cleaned up their image, but they gave him his contract so that he could win them football games and make them money by playing in big bowls. If you can't win often at Miami, like they expect you to, you shouldn't stay. Why in their right mind should they keep a guy that can't win them games, which is what a COACH is supposed to do?

And again, please go out and get some of these speed guys Dantonio. It's clear your guys can't stay up to par with Bamas guys. It's embarassing.
 
I knew this was going to be an ugly matchup. Bama has way too much team speed in the trenches. MSU moves too slow off the ball and by the time they realize whats going on bama already has 5 yards. Thats why I wished we would've gotten LSU. Not that we would've beaten them, but they're inept on offense so maybe they would've had a shot.

But Dantonio has recruited this team to compete in the big 10, which is going to hurt him in bowl season when they get matched up with these fast SEC teams.
 
It's embarrassing when Bama's second string can blow right by your offensive linemen. That's what you got to address, Dantonio. Get some of those quicker defensive and offensive linemen from the south. This game shows you need them badly.
 
MSU definitely overachieved this year, but hopefully they can start getting some top recruits with this season and can be competitive in their bowl games. They weren't that competitive last year against Texas Tech, against Georgia 2 years ago, and today. I mean, I'll take all of the bowl losses if it means we can be in the Big 10 title picture every year, but after a while it gets annoying seeing their season end on a sour note like this. And I'm not too high on Pat Narduzzi (our D-Cord) he let Julio Jones go wild on them, despite it obvious that he was their best player, and they can't get a tackle before Bama gets 5 yards.

But Bama will be dangerous again next year. These guys have a ton of depth.
 

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