MVP's "Thug" Promo Was a Blown Opportunity

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Not because he used wrestling as a platform to espouse political views.

Not because his views would be considered "edgy" or "controversial".

And certainly not because he used the term '******', even if it was censored out of the live cast.

In fact, I don't even disagree with what he said — specifically citing the racial tensions between blacks and "the establishment" (code-speak for the Police) and shining a light on the term "thug" as a racial epithet. These things are actually true. Thug, savage and other such media-supported epithets are generally used in lieu of far more damning terms like ****** by racists, pseudo-racists and bigots of all makes and models, and are generally only applied when speaking about blacks. Especially black males. The reason for that is because it makes it that much easier to say and support racist ideas and lines of thinking when you side-step larger terminology land mines. If you walk into the conversation leading with racial slurs, you go nowhere fast. If you walk in with a wry smile and a nice hair cut, in a nice suit, and refer to these folks as savages, well, you've got yourself a soap box to stand on.

Under different circumstances, this was a golden opportunity for TNA to bridge the gap between real life politics and wrestling story lines, but it will almost certainly fail to launch because of a critical error that should have been realized before this was allowed to see the light of day. That error is the fact that this promo rolled off the tongue of MVP — a roster heel who leads a faction called the BDC (Beat Down Clan). A faction renowned for, in effect, acting like thugs. Actual thugs. Not the pseudo-racist epithet I was referencing before. Violent criminals. Scum bags. People who generally lack common decency and have little to no respect for their fellow man. The BDC are a group of guys who viciously attack others (who they are feuding with in the wrestling universe), often in man-up numbers, almost always using subterfuge, dishonesty and pretense to achieve what they want... because they can. Because they can. Not because it's righteous or justified — because they want it. So they take it. This is, righteously speaking, not exactly model behavior. It's behavior criminals use, that we don't consider socially acceptable.

In what world does a righteously-driven promo designed to shine a light on race relations and bigotry belong coming out of the mouth of the least respectable person on the roster? Herein lies the critical failure. Having this promo preached by a guy with as poor a track record as a wrestling persona as MVP (I'm speaking only to behavior here, not his actual accolades) is just a fundamental error, even if he's actually quite active in politics in real life. This wasn't real life MVP we were hearing from. It was the BDC's leader.

And that's exactly why any real, honest discussion on such an important topic as this will go no where. At least on TNA television. It's a shame, too, because this could have been a real home run considering what Billy Corgan was talking about in his interview with Josh Matthews, in wanting to inject a lot more reality into TNA's brand. This could have been the type of thing that got people talking, recognizing TNA for being something it's competition can't, or won't be. But it won't, because it's coming out of the wrong side of the megaphone.

Instead of upstanding political discourse fused with reality-based wrestling, we were given a moment of shock... for the sake of shock.
 
Here's the problem with your theory. What if they were faces? They would not be doing any of the things that lead to the promo in the first place. If this were a case of say Kevin Owens cutting it. That would be a different story. Because he's billed as a family man willing to do extremely harsh things for income.

The promo itself, in my eyes, did more to paint the actions of the U.S. in a less endearing light than justify the BDC. Think of it this way. "Because of how the government acts, people are inspired to keep the violent attitude going." Which, when you think about it, does also reflect the real life issues caused by the Michael Brown incident and all the other police brutality cases going around.
 
I'm giving it more time to play out. I think the point of the promo was that the BDC aren't "thugs." At least to me it was MVP trying to show people they're hypocrites for liking The Rising who are basically thugs themselves. People cheer for the good guys doing bad things and belittle the ones doing the same thing but are looked at as "bad guys" if that makes sense.

Was it a blown opportunity? I'm not sure but it was a really good segment for sure. I'm hoping something does branch off from the promo but only time will tell.
 
Here's the problem with your theory. What if they were faces? They would not be doing any of the things that lead to the promo in the first place. If this were a case of say Kevin Owens cutting it. That would be a different story. Because he's billed as a family man willing to do extremely harsh things for income.

The promo itself, in my eyes, did more to paint the actions of the U.S. in a less endearing light than justify the BDC. Think of it this way. "Because of how the government acts, people are inspired to keep the violent attitude going." Which, when you think about it, does also reflect the real life issues caused by the Michael Brown incident and all the other police brutality cases going around.

If they were faces they take on the same role as non-violent protesters. MVP comes off looking more like a fusion of MLK and Malcom X instead of like Al Sharpton.

I loved the fact they went there. I just hated how they did so, with who they did it with, right now where we are with these characters today. It came across more as shock value and less as political value.
 
If they were faces they take on the same role as non-violent protesters. MVP comes off looking more like a fusion of MLK and Malcom X instead of like Al Sharpton.

I loved the fact they went there. I just hated how they did so, with who they did it with, right now where we are with these characters today. It came across more as shock value and less as political value.
It's MVP. He's been at it with these types of promo's for a good while. Chances are we'll see more well played ones down the road. Also, I find it kinda funny he's cutting these against a stable with only one American.
 
I agree, in a sense. It's possible that Impact's writing team (or maybe MVP himself) are trying to pull a Bret Hart type angle. Possibly trying to make the BDC heroes to some, and villains to others (ie: Bret being a hero in Canada, and a villain in the USA). If that is the road they're trying to go down in the future, I get it. I don't necessarily love it, but I don't think I'm part of the audience that's supposed to love it (at least not yet).

I do have respect for MVP, for actually using the term "******" as opposed to saying "The N word" (which was probably debated in the writer's room). I'm reminded of Louis CK, who said something to the effect of "I hate hearing 'the N word' used on television. I'm not talking about the word '******', but rather when I see some white lady with nice hair say 'the N word' on the news. When she says 'the N word', I know she means "******". She's making me say it. Why don't you take responsibility for the shitty words you want to say?".

I know that MVP is black, so him using that word isn't that controversial in this day and age; but it still is a shocking word to hear on television. You have to wonder how Destination America will feel about it, as well. I hope Impact isn't given more restrictions because of that promo, or that they get soured on live shows in the future.

If the word was only used for shock value because they were live last night, then I agree it was a wasted opportunity. If that was only the beginning of a bigger story, I think it has the opportunity to get interesting. I said earlier that I didn't love the promo, and I didn't...but the promo could lead to a really cool story (if done tastefully), and that's something I could see myself getting into. Not that race wars are so interesting, but being able to use wrestling as a commentary for the way race is viewed in the United States is at least something that I haven't seen in a long time. Maybe Imapct/The BDC will have the opportunity to tell this story "correctly". Then again, I could easily see DA squashing it because they don't want to be associated with a perceived "race war". I'm willing to give Impact the benefit of the doubt here, at least until I see if the story goes anywhere.
 
I think it's actually going not bad, last week I think it was Rockstar Spud got cheated out of the X Division title by BDC, and he labelled them thugs. I agree with most of the points in the OP, but as I'm fairly sure Spud said 'thugs' on Impact last week the heel thing still works, so perhaps MVP was deliberately trying to take his words out of context, or something. I dunno, it's a TNA promo by somebody other than Kurt Angle or ECIII, I'll look at it optimistically and take what I've got
 
I agree, in a sense. It's possible that Impact's writing team (or maybe MVP himself) are trying to pull a Bret Hart type angle. Possibly trying to make the BDC heroes to some, and villains to others (ie: Bret being a hero in Canada, and a villain in the USA). If that is the road they're trying to go down in the future, I get it. I don't necessarily love it, but I don't think I'm part of the audience that's supposed to love it (at least not yet).

This is a solid point, and something I didn't at all consider. Essentially aligning them as a "heel" faction for most, but a more righteous faction for black viewers?

The only time in recent times I can remember this being done was during the Nation of Domination.

I do have respect for MVP, for actually using the term "******" as opposed to saying "The N word" (which was probably debated in the writer's room). I'm reminded of Louis CK, who said something to the effect of "I hate hearing 'the N word' used on television. I'm not talking about the word '******', but rather when I see some white lady with nice hair say 'the N word' on the news. When she says 'the N word', I know she means "******". She's making me say it. Why don't you take responsibility for the shitty words you want to say?".

I know that MVP is black, so him using that word isn't that controversial in this day and age; but it still is a shocking word to hear on television. You have to wonder how Destination America will feel about it, as well. I hope Impact isn't given more restrictions because of that promo, or that they get soured on live shows in the future.

If the word was only used for shock value because they were live last night, then I agree it was a wasted opportunity. If that was only the beginning of a bigger story, I think it has the opportunity to get interesting. I said earlier that I didn't love the promo, and I didn't...but the promo could lead to a really cool story (if done tastefully), and that's something I could see myself getting into. Not that race wars are so interesting, but being able to use wrestling as a commentary for the way race is viewed in the United States is at least something that I haven't seen in a long time. Maybe Imapct/The BDC will have the opportunity to tell this story "correctly". Then again, I could easily see DA squashing it because they don't want to be associated with a perceived "race war". I'm willing to give Impact the benefit of the doubt here, at least until I see if the story goes anywhere.

Fair enough.
 
I don't normally post in tna or watch it a lot for that matter, and crap like this is why.

Controversial? How? It's flat out racist, pathetic, racist, tasteless, and yes racist. The guy AKA MVP showed why he should be out of wrestling. And a company like tna is lower pier for letting him in there..taking the racial divide and racial unrest in America and turning it into a sport "shoot" is pathetic..

ThugLife, YO, that was a little sarcastic..
 
This isn't the first time that wrestling had taken a hot topic and added it to a promo to push a feud. And it's not surprising that a black wrestler, in this case MVP, was the one to speak on it. I'm not saying I was or wasn't cool with it; I only saw it as another promo in regards to an underwhelming storyline.
 
I wasn't calling you racist, I was trying to get you to elaborate on how the promo was racist

Ohh, my bad..sorry..

But I was trying to say that in a way he is racist towards whites, or "the establishment" by simply taking one side over the other in a racially fueled topic (whites/blacks or cops/young black men) is a racial statement all itself. And I really hate this. Where I don't watch a lot of tna maybe this is the normal thug life stuff these people do and this company provides?

"The N word" is racist whether said by a white guy or black guy...pretty simple.
 
What people do not understand is that this was personal to MVP. People forget that he was at Ferguson for the protests over there. That is what made that promo seem frighteningly real. THIS is what TNA needs more of: not scripted "reality" but REALITY. This is what people are seeing on the news every other night. So, why should MVP NOT take a stab at something personal to him? Remember what WWE was going to do with the New Day? It was basically the same thing that MVP was pushing. The difference is that WWE chickened out, while TNA pushed on. The proof is going to be when the payoff arrives. And, I think people will be quite surprised when they see it.
 
"The N word" is racist whether said by a white guy or black guy...pretty simple.

Censorship is telling a man he can't have steak because a baby can't chew it. - Mark Twain

rac·ism


the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Saying that people use the word thug as a code word for ****** isn't racist. Merely saying a word is not racist.

GREAT fucking promo, by the way. I haven't had much interest in TNA in a few years but this definitely piqued my interest.
 
I don't normally post in tna or watch it a lot for that matter, and crap like this is why.

Controversial? How? It's flat out racist, pathetic, racist, tasteless, and yes racist. The guy AKA MVP showed why he should be out of wrestling. And a company like tna is lower pier for letting him in there..taking the racial divide and racial unrest in America and turning it into a sport "shoot" is pathetic..

ThugLife, YO, that was a little sarcastic..

So your saying that TNA should only do storylines that are obviously fabricated, and no one can relate to? The facts are that the entire nation has a strong view on the subject and all sides are making valid points. For example, all people perceived to be thugs arent thugs. All cops perceived to be dirty pigs arent all bad cops.Then there are some that are exactly what they are perceived to be.

Theres a video of Members of the Black Guerrilla Family, the Bloods and the Crips talking about the negative image the media is portraying about the "thugs" of Baltimore. That they understand why the city is upset but they are trying to prevent violence just as much as the cops, and not trying to cause it. The fact is that everyone is being painted to be something through smokescreens, its all gray and nothing is clear. Thats why I believe MVP's promo works. I mean Drew split Low Ki's head open with a pipe and got no flag for it. Its a double standard, its real, its in our face when we walk outside and grab the paper, when we turn on the news. TNA is being conscious with the real themes people face everyday. If they did a promo that contradicts these real themes you'll complain for that reason. Below is the link to that video about the gang members who are trying to prevent violence but are being mislabeled during the crisis.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HaaRZ8nxd4
 
It was a waste. MVP's promo was fantastic, the second part was just a good as the first. The problem is he dropped that promo in the middle of this going nowhere feud with Galloway and Co. It's a waste for that reason.

As far as what he was trying to convey, I think it was pretty obvious he was calling the fans hypocrites and saying they were racist for labeling them "thugs" despite the fact that they are exhibiting "thuggish" behavior. The irony of the group having a gangbanger named Homicide in the group was not lost on me either.
 
Sometimes I listen to the things heel say and think how poorly it reflects on the audience that they expect to be booed. For example, Muhammad Hassan pointing out that he was unpopular largely because of his ethnic background. More recently, we had CJ Parker, an environmentalist who the fans couldn't hear over the sound of their Range Rover engines and patio heaters.

This, same thing.
 
Controversial? How? It's flat out racist, pathetic, racist, tasteless, and yes racist. The guy AKA MVP showed why he should be out of wrestling. And a company like tna is lower pier for letting him in there..taking the racial divide and racial unrest in America and turning it into a sport "shoot" is pathetic..

Racial unrest is world wide. You think TNA is unscripted? LOL. Some white guy in the back wrote that crap to drum up people talking and looky here what we got.....talk and lots of talk about it.

Like this guy above said "I don't even normally watch or comment about TNA" Guess what now they got you talking so they reached at least 1 person with the tactics, and that is what entertainment is about. Good or Bad this is how the business works. Nation of Domination didn't randomly sprout. Do you really think it was Randomly around same time that OJ was Pronounced Innocent and fear of riots were to come if found guilty.(95) Nation (96)......Sure it was, WWE did the same for Iraq and Slaughter and doing it yet again with Rusev. Lets not pretend TNA is even close to the first to tap the media for ideas.

It is just another way to build up yet another word as a racial slur or at least try too, and judging by the outpour of all these people who actually don't understand racism, it worked. Well player TNA. Tasteless? sure, Racist? Not even close?
 
You know what, even though it could've been polished I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Wrestling seems to be so out of the real world when it comes to the issues they portray. This felt relevant. It sounded like "real talk". It sounded like something we hear on an every day basis. The vocabulary, the issues, everything. It was a breath of fresh air to be honest.

My only criticism is how jammed in the comment about oil and Iraq was. It came out of nowhere and it was obviously done to just have it there. The transition could've been smoother.

Other than that, I want to see more of this. Address these issues in a good way. Use words like ******, it doesn't matter, just censor it. One way for wrestling to seem more relevant is to introduce these things into it. The violence can't be too real, but the language can, and language can go a loooong way.

Loved it, I'm curious to see what other things they do. As long as it doesn't go into random word dropping territory where people start coughing up things like "******", "******" or "cracker" just to show they can.
 

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