Most overrated star on RAW

[Crush1]

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Raw is suposed to be the A show but i feel like the talent that people are so high on have no place in there at all.

JBL: This wrestler is suposed to be the main event heel but he seems more like a main even jobber.He rarely gets any promo time and the only time we hear him are in backstage or pre-taped segments.His wrestling skills are flat out boring that we've witnessed while he was facing Jericho CM Punk and Batista.

Kofi Kingston: I dont get this move from the wwe.They let him win the intercontinental championship and soon after that he's losing to the worst IC champion in recent history.And what's he doing now? tagging along with divas and playing a favorable face who comes to the aid of his good ol buddy CM Punk.Creative should have moved him over to smackdown.

so what do u think?

 

[Mattyboy]

personally id say the future looks kinda bleak for Kofi. Now obviously im just basing this on what ive seen, but as you said he's dropped the ic title to a cowardly heel in what, less than a minute in that match? Since then he's been thrown into the Punk/Orton stuff, but didnt really look that great coming to the aid of Punk.

Now losing a title in a very very short match cant be good for anyones career prospects

 

[Dead Kennedy]

To be fair here, I'll list the most overrated man and the most overrated woman.

John Cena. He's good on the mic and over with the fans, but has never possessed good in-ring psychology or wrestling skills. His gimmick doesn't even make sense and he's often given clean wins over guys much better at actual wrestling than him (Team Priceless) and basically he gets every advantage one could ask for without having deserved it, in my opinion. You don't get much more overrated than that.

Candice. For some reason she keeps getting pushed for the Women's Championship and the fact that she has even had one title match, much less that she's held it is a freakin' joke. She's not particularly nice to look at and her wrestling is just straight up bad. Not to mention she has the second worst voice in WWE after Jillian and a tie with Shelton Benjamin. She has absolutely nothing going for her. It's a freakin' mystery. I don't know...I just like girls with self-respect I guess.

 

[The Snake]

Is Cena still overrated when the audience is extremely split on him, choruses of boos are synonymus with cheers, so I'm not sure everyone is a fan of him, so he is pretty much rated correctly IMO.

For me, I am going to say Batista, I've always seen Batista as someone similar to Cena, but for a slightly older audience, my mum likes Batista for example. I don't see what all the fuss is about really, I mean he is strong, and kids do like him because he is friends with Mysterio and he has cool fireworks and goes crazy, but he has always seemed very 1 dimensional to me. The crowd always cheers Tista whenever he is a face, and it is a huge ovation more often than not, but when it comes down to it there are far many more people I enjoy watching than Batista.

 

[Skillz]

There is just so much wrong with this post, I just had to reply to it.

John Cena. He's good on the mic and over with the fans, but has never possessed good in-ring psychology or wrestling skills.

LOL.

Never possessed good in-ring psychology? Do you even know what in-ring psychology is?

It's the process two wrestlers goes through to tell a believable story in a match, based on the characters they are portraying and the storyline they are involved in. Cena does this better than just about anyone in the business today. He is a power wrestler, a brawler. So he does a lot of power moves. Most of the moves he does, especially when making his babyface comeback, work on the back and neck, which lead up to his finishing moves. That's good psychology. To say he lacks good in-ring psychology is just completely ridiculous.

And what exactly are these wrestling skills you think he lacks? I don't know about you, but when I see Cena in a wrestling ring, against an opponent, I see him wrestling. I don't see him playing football, or driving a car, or having sex. I see him wrestling. And if he's wrestling, he has wrestling skills.

His gimmick doesn't even make sense

The reason why you think his gimmick doesn't make sense is because you still haven't realised that he doesn't really have a gimmick anymore. He's just John Cena. A guy who never backs down, and stands up for what is right.

and he's often given clean wins over guys much better at actual wrestling than him (Team Priceless) and basically he gets every advantage one could ask for without having deserved it, in my opinion. You don't get much more overrated than that.

Here's this "better at actual wrestling" crap again. What is "actual wrestling"? Just because he's not chain wrestling for 20 minutes it doesn't mean he's not wrestling. And what are these advantages he's been getting? Have you even been watching for the past year? He's been jobbing all year long.

 

[AnthonyMango/NoFate007]

Most Overrated Male by the WWE = JBL and Rey Mysterio (tied).
--Ugh. I'm so sick of these two and all the commentary on them. JBL is a slow, sloppy, ridiculous looking hack. Mysterio is surrounded by "suspension of disbelief" to the point where if you take him out of it for one moment, he'd choke on the sweet air of common sense. Mysterio's popular. We get it. But they've GOT to stop doing the same damn storyline with him, where his little stupid kicks, his ABUNDANTLY WEAK looking 619, and his punches are being sold as devastating by these guys that are huge in comparison to him. Mysterio would be good as ECW champion or IC champion but I've grown so tired of watching him defeat the likes of Kane, Batista, and other big guys that should just dominate him and beat him to a pulp. JBL is a case of them being a fan of John Layfield and nothing more. They can't possibly think that the fans are buying into it. So unfortunately, JBL won't be going away (or placed in his proper role of midcard jobber in comparison to Knox, Neely, Palumbo, etc) until he retires or he pisses Vince off.

Most Overrated Male by the fans = William Regal
--Does he deserve to be a solid midcarder, possible contender for the IC championship? Yes. A lot of people want him to be a main event champion, though. He's good on the mic but he simply isn't anything special in the ring. He definitely is good enough to help teach the new guys back stage some of the basics. I'd argue that Regal is like Mysterio in that he is even good enough to hold the ECW title for a little reign on top of the midcard title. But I think too many people overrate him as being someone who should be WWE champion and some huge megastar.

Most Overrated Female by the WWE = Candice
--Good lord. They've tried so, so hard to build her up as an amazing talent, but she just seriously lacks it. She's got the personality of a wet towel and she's even taken a dive in her looks. Girl offers nothing. If I have to listen to "raise your hands up" (or for that matter, R-Truth's "whatsup" song) one more time I think I'll spontaneously combust.

Most Overrated Female by the fans = Beth
--Now I'd have said Candice, but I chose her already. Beth is overrated in the sense that a lot of people seem to think that she's basically infallible and she's a godsend to women's wrestling across the globe. The girl's definitely one of the best women's wrestlers they have - without a doubt. But I still can't sit through most of her matches without getting bored, no matter who she's with. If she was as amazing as some (not all, mind you) people make her out to be, I'd be more entertained as a whole.

 

[HBK35]

JBL is easily the most over rated superstar ... he sucks in the ring, he sucks on the mic, and his entrance sucks. At least he could get the limo to the ring...he just sucks

 

[AMERICANFIRE]

most overated women is candice by far. she sucks in the ring. im sorry girl but you do i cant help it. your hot and iwould screw you. but you eithier hurt yourself or someone else.

most overated male is batista this guy is worse than cena. he always complains when he is not champ. or in main tittle picture. this is piss poor attitude your not always going to be on top ass hole.

i would say jbl but he is on everyones list for being most boring and stale. he is only here because of his relationship with vince. he would already have been on the street a long time ago

 

[DeadmanInc.]

Rey Mysterio is my pick as most overrated male. He looks small against just about everyone. I feel bad for the larger guys like Batista, Kane, and JBL that have to sell his moves. Rey can be entertaining IF and ONLY IF he is facing guys around his size, ie the cruiserweight division. He would be great on ECW where the guys are smaller, but he should stay far away from RAW and Smackdown's main event scene. I just hate watching his matches where I'm expected to be dumb enough to believe that Rey's offense is actually effective against guys that could easily squash him. He got a pity WHC reign as a tribute to Eddie, which was a nice gesture by WWE, but Rey is simply not World Title material.

I would have said JBL as the most overrated, but at least he can cut an awesome promo. But JBL as of late has been really overrated considering that RAW lacks a good heel. I can't wait for Orton's return so we can stop seeing JBL in the title picture.


As for most overrated female, it has got to be Candice by far. I'll give her credit, she is improving, but she is no Trish Stratus in the sense that she isn't improving nearly as fast as Trish did. Candice still botches a hell of a lot and is injury prone. I would say that 90% of her injury was her own fault due to her crappy ring skills. Her looks are really overrated too. I don't think she is as pretty as some of the other Divas, yet she is glorified for "defining beauty". The only reason I see for her push is because she is more mainstream than most of the other Divas right now.

Most Overrated Female by the fans = Beth
--Now I'd have said Candice, but I chose her already. Beth is overrated in the sense that a lot of people seem to think that she's basically infallible and she's a godsend to women's wrestling across the globe. The girl's definitely one of the best women's wrestlers they have - without a doubt. But I still can't sit through most of her matches without getting bored, no matter who she's with. If she was as amazing as some (not all, mind you) people make her out to be, I'd be more entertained as a whole.

I kinda agree here. I don't think Beth is overrated, but it's easy for people to over glorify her because the rest of the division stinks. Outside of Melina and Mickie, there isn't really any other Raw Diva that's on her level. If Beth was active while Trish and Lita were around, I'm sure it wouldn't seem like Beth was being overrated because she would actually have good competition. The constant matches against Kelly Kelly are really getting old...

 

[etc]

agreed, rey mysterio is one of the more overated guys on RAW right now. For sure there are more but Rey Mysterio is not especially good on the mic like JBL and can't wrestle a very good match for the reasons listed above.

Does anyone hate it when Rey can't cut a good promo in english he needs to start rambling in spanish. All his freakin promos are almost always related to family, heart and some other stupid shit. He's a total joke on RAW...

 

[wwefan49]

agreed, rey mysterio is one of the more overated guys on RAW right now. For sure there are more but Rey Mysterio is not especially good on the mic like JBL and can't wrestle a very good match for the reasons listed above.

Does anyone hate it when Rey can't cut a good promo in english he needs to start rambling in spanish. All his freakin promos are almost always related to family, heart and some other stupid shit. He's a total joke on RAW...

JBL actually has very good mic skills. His in ring work is very stiff and sloppy. But his character is actually quite interesting. His wall street better than everyone attitude is quite good. I actually think DiBiase and Rhodes would have been better off with JBL and I'm a huge Orton fan. But it would work better with Layfield. Most Overrated on Raw IMO is Mysterio as well. He should be upper midcard at best.

 

[J-Mustang]

JBL the self-proclaimed "Wrestling God" is not really that good i think is highly overrated and does not seem to much but complain how he is not the World Champion and his move-set is to basic and boring i think a new stable/cabinet would be good for JBL but a lso the IC belt would be good for him and would bring some life into the IC division.

 

[The Snake]

JBL actually has very good mic skills. His in ring work is very stiff and sloppy. But his character is actually quite interesting. His wall street better than everyone attitude is quite good. I actually think DiBiase and Rhodes would have been better off with JBL and I'm a huge Orton fan. But it would work better with Layfield. Most Overrated on Raw IMO is Mysterio as well. He should be upper midcard at best.

Am I missing something or is Rey Mysterio on the upper midcard on RAW atm? He is where he should be, if the statistics are right in the more children watch SD! he should be on there, but if anything he has been demoted since he got moved to RAW, he was in the Scramble, but Smackdown had much worse wrestlers in theres (Kendrick had been on TV for about a month before getting in (as a singles wrestler)).

JBL is not very good now, which is a shame I was a big fan of him when he was Champion after I got over Eddie losing the title which I was angry at for like a month, but noone thinks he is any good anymore, so how can he be overrated now? It's like saying Cena is overrated, when a lot of people think someone sucks, it does not make them overrated.

I'll still stick with Batista, he doesn't really do much for me, I don't really get the appeal of him, that might be because I am at the wrong sort of age to like him, but I've never really liked much of him apart from him being strong...

 

[CaseyisBA52'sGFnow]

Rey Mysterio - The only reason he gets pushed is because little kids love him. He botches moves WAY too much. At times he looks out of shape and lost in the ring. They push him as a high flyer but i realy dont see much high flying as of late. And just to be honest his biggest push came from the death of Eddie Guerreo and he still exploits the death of Guerreo. Also , What the hell is that damned flopping his arms thing he does when he comes out ? It looks ******ed.

 

[Harthan]

JBL is really only around because Raw needs the heel. They're still working on Kane apparently, but I don't think it's working. Raw needs a heel to main event, and JBL is the only one other than Jericho (Orton being hurt). I'm really of the opinion that CM Punk would make a fantastic main event heel. But anyway, JBL should manage some monster. He would be perfect; he's just got that manager voice and if it was backed up by a good monster heel, he'd be in the money.

I have to go with JBL as most overrated, only because it looks like Mysterio is realizing he's not a World Heavyweight Champion. It was a ridiculous move to ever make him champ, a waste of a Rumble to have him win it, a useless spot in the Scramble (to be fair, it was Cena's but obviously, he got hurt)...so on, so on. However, he seems to realize that and has decided to use the fact that he's pretty over and a pretty good cruiserweight wrestler and help out midcarders by teaming with Evan Bourne and fighting heel midcarders. I think that's a good deicision for Rey, and can't name him most overrated for that.

Therefore, the "Wrestling God" (blech) is the most overrated wrestler on Raw. Seriously, JBL...take off the tights, put on the suit, pick up the mic. Be a manager if you must be on TV, or go back to announcing. You were really good at that, remember? Yeah. Just...never take your shirt off again. Please.

There are children watching.

 

[golden miz]

JBL is my choice because he can't wrestle, come on he has no carisma in the ring. Charlie hass did better at playing a rediciolous CBL then JBL ever does. He hs no personality and I have to say that by far hes the worst in ring if you concider his personality or lack there of.
Other then JBL I think that Chris Jericho is over rated, I just see something missing, I can't figure out what is missing though. Other then Jericho I cant think of anyone else that is an overated main eventer now.

 

[Slyfox696]

John Cena. He's good on the mic and over with the fans, but has never possessed good in-ring psychology or wrestling skills. His gimmick doesn't even make sense and he's often given clean wins over guys much better at actual wrestling than him (Team Priceless) and basically he gets every advantage one could ask for without having deserved it, in my opinion. You don't get much more overrated than that.

You don't understand how a guy 240 pounds and can bench press an elephant got the gimmick of an unrefined street brawler?

Sounds like to me you're the last person to talk about good in-ring psychology, because you obviously don't even understand what that means.

For me, I am going to say Batista, I've always seen Batista as someone similar to Cena, but for a slightly older audience, my mum likes Batista for example. I don't see what all the fuss is about really, I mean he is strong, and kids do like him because he is friends with Mysterio and he has cool fireworks and goes crazy, but he has always seemed very 1 dimensional to me. The crowd always cheers Tista whenever he is a face, and it is a huge ovation more often than not, but when it comes down to it there are far many more people I enjoy watching than Batista.

The reason people cheer Batista is because he puts on good matches, and is as entertaining as fucking.

People who say JBL are out of their minds, because he's one of the better workers on Raw.


As for my overrated? CM Punk and Shawn Michaels.

All the wanna-be smart fans like to suck these two guys testicles, and the fact of the matter is neither one of them have put on a good match in the last 3 years without being carried. Punk hasn't done it at all. Since the moment he's debuted, he's never had a good match. Michaels had a couple good matches with Cena, but since? Or before? Anyone?

Punk failed as a champ, bombing big time. Michaels has had to have his sulking ass carried by Jericho big time to make their feud as good as its been. Michaels is boring, routine, cliche, and way past his prime. Punk is boring, routine, different in a bad way, and still needs a lot of help to put on a solid match.

And yet, fans think these two are the greatest ever. They're not. They suck.

 

[Dead Kennedy]

You don't understand how a guy 240 pounds and can bench press an elephant got the gimmick of an unrefined street brawler?

Sounds like to me you're the last person to talk about good in-ring psychology, because you obviously don't even understand what that means.

That's not really the part of the gimmick that doesn't make sense. A super-muscle man that does random salutes and obviously is the greatest submission wrestler of all time it seems? If I were on Crystal meth, sure it would, but in a state of sobriety...

Cena sometimes forgets (or is booked not to) to sell damage and moves, hence the lacking in-ring psychology. I'm not saying he can't put on a good match, but in most normal matches there's a lot of stuff that can be easily spotted unless you're a die-hard Cena mark.

Cena gets titles. He gets movie roles. He's booked to go clean over mostly everyone on the collective WWE roster. He gets every publicity spot they could ever give him. I'm not saying Cena is a bad performer, but his current role is attributed more to his natural charisma and all that jazz rather than his in-ring performance. And quite frankly, in my opinion, he's just not, nor has he ever been a main event quality performer - at best a mid-carder. But hey, it happened somewhere along the line. So you're saying a guy who gets all those perks and whose in-ring work is not nearly the best thing available in WWE is NOT overrated? I don't get it.

 

[Miko]

Whether or not some-one is overrated is all down to opinion, I could say that so and so is overrated and have people disagree with me and they would have valid points.

So here is who's overrated on RAW right now:
CM Punk - The guy is overrated by the fans, he is bland in the ring, bland on the mic and his gimmick of being straight-edge is about as exciting as alchohol free beer. I just dont see what the ROH fans etc. . (not to generalise here) see in him, he gets the worst reaction possible from me, no reaction.

Rey Mysterio- For the reasons that many other posters have used, and it really gets on my nerves how all of his promo's are about family, the problem is its the wrong family. I know his son's supposed to be Eddie's but his last name isnt Guerrero, and I cant help but think he's used that name to get sympathy pushes (it might not be true but it's how I feel).

Team Priceless- When I stop yawning through everything they do I may take this back but I dont see what the hype is about these guys, they have potential but it seems that everyone thinks they should be main-eventing mania already. All I see is generic wrestler 1 teaming with generic wrestler 2 teaming with fat samoan guy. Orton's influence will help hopefully.

-EDIT- I will say that HBK is kinda overrated because no one lives up to the hype that he gets, although I really do find most of his matches to be good, I do enjoy a Shawn Michaels match, it just seems that he (much like The Undertaker on Smackdown) is spending much of his time being upstaged by their opponents. In Shawns case Jericho, and in Takers case Edge.

Thats right, no JBL or Cena or even Batista as these guys are in my opinion three of RAW's legitimate top stars.

 

[Mr. TM]

Well I would like to go with the tag team of Cryme Tyme. They are probably the most used team on Raw, but have yet to win the gold. They are pretty sloppy in the ring. They have lost their appeal to the white audience as funny "gangstas." They are offensive to lots, even though I don't think so. They are horrible and slow on the mic. That said, Shad is definitely the better talent compared to JTG. With all their flaws though, and declining fan support, they still get to be in main event feuds involving tag teams.

 

[Slyfox696]

That's not really the part of the gimmick that doesn't make sense. A super-muscle man that does random salutes and obviously is the greatest submission wrestler of all time it seems? If I were on Crystal meth, sure it would, but in a state of sobriety...

They weren't random salutes. He's a big fan of the military, and he played The Marine in a full length feature movie. And who said he was the greatest submission wrestling of all time? He does like one submission move, one that benefits from his incredible strength.

Again, I'm not sure you should discuss wrestling psychology, when you don't understand the term.

Cena sometimes forgets (or is booked not to) to sell damage and moves, hence the lacking in-ring psychology. I'm not saying he can't put on a good match, but in most normal matches there's a lot of stuff that can be easily spotted unless you're a die-hard Cena mark.

Please. You act like you've never seen a WWE babyface match. That's been going for four decades. It's not that he's no-selling, he's just refocusing the match in a different direction. If it's an integral part of the match, like it was with his match against Umaga at Royal Rumble, then he'll continue to sell it. But, if it is merely shrugging damage that was done simply to pass the time, then the explosive face comeback is MUCH more important to the psychology of the match.

It's psychology 101. Face starts hot, then the heel gets the upper hand (usually through dubious means), and then the face makes his white hot come back and then they go home. Everyone does it. Hogan, Savage, Warrior, Hart, HBK, Taker, HHH, Rock, Austin, Rey...all the faces. You trade the meaningless selling for the much more important crowd pleasing comeback, where the Good Guy gives the Bad Guy his come-uppance he so richly deserves.

If you would like, send me a PM on "in-ring psychology", and I'll explain it to you. Because you don't understand it at all.

Cena gets titles.

Not for over a year now.

He gets movie roles.

And his movie did better than any WWE Film.

He's booked to go clean over mostly everyone on the collective WWE roster.

What? Since when? He went over clean against JBL once this year and he won the Rumble. Everything else has resulted in him losing or failing in his quest.

He gets every publicity spot they could ever give him.

Because he's their biggest draw and has the most mainstream appeal. That only makes sense.

I'm not saying Cena is a bad performer, but his current role is attributed more to his natural charisma and all that jazz rather than his in-ring performance.

Funny, because I could have swore that there was NO ONE in America who put on more great matches in 2006 and 2007 than John Cena. Go ahead, look it up.

And quite frankly, in my opinion, he's just not, nor has he ever been a main event quality performer - at best a mid-carder.

So you're saying a guy who gets all those perks and whose in-ring work is not nearly the best thing available in WWE is NOT overrated? I don't get it.

Considering that he gets all those perks because he's earned them and he's the best man for the job, and considering he's one of the best workers in the world at this point...no, I'd say he's not overrated.

 

[RVDgurl]

Shawn Michaels. Right now in the year 2008 HBK is way past his prime and has become boring. Yes, he is one of the better wrestlers to eve step in the ring. Yes, I was an HBK fan when he was an itty bitty Rocker and throughout the 90's. Yes, HBK deserves much respect, but it is time to remove him from the main event scene. I'm over HBK. There are so many younger guys who would benefit from his hype but the WWE continues to cling to his name.

 

[RBH]

While I like the guy, I havge to go with RVDgurl and say HBK Shawn Michaels (sorry Becca) Lemme explain. The man is now in his early to mid 40s. He is still great at putting matches but even he cannot carry a Great Khali or Big Daddy V. Shawn Michaels is and always be a great performer but he is a typical athlete. Athletes get old and lose their luster. On occasions, they have great performances but most of that is usually just a good day (Brett Farve is an example) The simply fact is that HBK has accomplished all he needs to and does not need to do anything else.

 

[The Champ is here]

Their are alot of fucking idoits on this thread.

Where to begin, well.......JBL, Kelly Kelly, Dibiese, Mike adm....... -it doesn't matter wut his name is-

People are talking about HBK getting old and boring, wut about JBL the guy is clearly out of shape, has no athletic ability and he can not sell an injury.
Kelly Kelly wut the fuck is this shit? Wrestling-Barbie
Debiese -it doesn't matter if i spelled his name wrong- But come on, his first match was at a P.P.V. where he won the tag team titles. and the son of a bitch is a 2 time tag team champion.
Mike adm.....The manger of Raw. My 8 year old cousin can give better promos then this guy. I mean the guy dont know jackshit about WWE or sport entertainment.

-Why so serious-

 

[ExtremeSwagga93]

I gotta say it's Batista. I can't remember that last good match he's had since WM23. He really only does a few, generic powerhouse moves, he's not very good on the mic, I just don't understand his appeal.

And as much as I like Team Priceless, Dibiase Jr. is rather overated, I haven't seen a good match from him yet since his debut on RAW.