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Date: November 14, 2005
Location: Target Center, Minneapolis, Minnesota
Attendance: 6,000
Commentators: Jonathan Coachman, Jerry Lawler, Joey Styles
This is the Eddie Guerrero Tribute Show. Eddie passed away I think the previous day in his hotel room, making this obviously not a normal show. Its an often requested show so I more or less had to do it at some point. The matches mean nothing of course and its not like the guys heads are on straight. Ive heard its good, so lets get to it.
Before I get started, I probably should give my thoughts on Eddie as a whole. I never was huge on him. I think hes a great wrestler and had exceptional talent, but he wasnt the guy that I saw as this legend that so many people claim him to be. It also strikes me as very ironic that after he passed away he was all of a sudden this tragic figure that was so inspirational to everyone, despite no one seeming to say that while he was alive.
I do not like the way his legacy was exploited in storylines later. I stand by what I say that Eddie Guerrero won the 06 Rumble and beat Orton and Angle in the world title match at Wrestlemania. Rey got his push off the back of Eddie and I cant stand that at all. Im not saying it was Reys fault, but Ive never been able to stand the push that he got as well as the constant referencing Eddie when he has nothing to do with the stories. Anyway in short hes a great wrestler, but not one of the greats. Lets get to it.
We open with the entire roster standing on the stage to a big Eddie chant. Vince stands in front of them and says that he passed away so tonight were going to celebrate his life and career. Everyone is clearly sad but theyre not as shaken up as they probably had been before. Vince asks everyone to stand in silence as they ring the bell ten times which is kind of hard to watch.
Theres a video tribute to Eddie, set to Johnny Cashs Hurt. Good stuff. Back in the arena Vince says Viva La Raza. BIG Thank You Eddie chant.
We begin the sitting down tributes from the guys, the first being Cena. He talks about how passionate Eddie was and how he mentored Cena as he started here.
First clip is Eddie spraying Big Show with sewage on Smackdown.
Big Show/Kane vs. MNM
The difference in Shows weight then as compared to now is striking. He is FAT here. Hes still big today but he doesnt look like hes retaining water. I probably shouldnt notice this here but Lillian is smoking in that little black dress. Both teams are tag champions on their respective shows with Show/Kane being on Raw. Show vs. Nitro starts us off and we unleash the chops.
Kane goes up for the clothesline but the two Ms take care of the big friend freak and Nitro gets a shot in to Kane with a belt to get two. MNM cant suplex Kane so he throws them around instead. Off to Show and the beating begins again. Show massacres them as Melina gets up on the apron. She gets a kiss and Mercury gets the Kane clothesline. Double chokeslam ENDS Nitro for the pin.
Rating: C-. If I didnt mention this before, the ratings here arent ones that should be taken seriously. The guys arent really thinking clearly probably and the matches arent going to mean anything in the long run. MNM would get better but their successors, Miz and Morrison would work better. This was ok for a semi-squash though.
Lillian tells a story about being in Eddies group in Iraq last year. She speaks some Spanish, saying shell see him again someday.
We get a clip of Eddie talking about auctioning off a bunch of Kurts stuff which is similar to the way Cryme Tyme would sell stuff off. Funny bit.
Shelton Benjamin vs. Kurt Angle
This works. Angle is in the black tonight so you can tell hes being serious. Angle takes a quick knee to pray a bit before we start. Angle takes him to the mat almost immediately so Shelton starts using the ropes to his advantage and we have a standoff. I love watching Angle hit belly to bellies. Angle gets a chinlock and calls some spots a bit too loudly.
Benjamin counters a suplex and hooks a DDT to put both guys down. Its so odd to hear Joey talking about Kurt Angle for some reason. We crank it up a bit but Shelton breaks out a Samoan Drop of all things but he cant get the T-Bone. Dragon Whip works instead for a close two. Running corner suplex is blocked and Benjamin gets a HUGE clothesline off the top for two.
Angle is like bitch Im Kurt Angle and busts out the Germans and the Angle Slam for only two of course. Shelton blocks a moonsault and hits a release German off the top! SICK bump there. Somehow it only gets two and as Shelton complains about the count Angle grabs the ankle and gets the grapevine. Since Shelton isnt the Undertaker, that ends this solid match.
Rating: B-. I really liked this actually. Shelton was the MAN in 2005, more than holding his own by just showing off how awesome he was against far better wrestlers than himself. This was another good match where his inexperience caught up with him but was still pretty freaking sweet. Good match and a lot of fun on a hard show to get through.
I wasnt kidding on the hard to get through part as this has taken me nearly two days to get this far. Angle holds up the armband with EG on it and is having trouble holding it together.
Shawn talks about how he never wrestled Eddie but has a connection with Eddie as both men were born again Christians. Good little speech here and rather touching. Unless youre Gregory Helms I guess.
Clips from the Lie Cheat and Steal vignettes which were absolutely hilarious and were actually the parts of Smackdown I was looking forward to most for a few months. Its so weird to see Vickie as a decent looking woman with red/blonde hair.
Chavo does what is probably the hardest talk of his life as he talks about growing up with Eddie as a brother rather than as his uncle. They were only three years apart so they grew up more or less as brothers. We get a cool story of them wrestling in Chavo Sr.s promotion in El Paso when they were kids. This is clipped as Id definitely assume he talked about this for a long time and you know they wouldnt tell him to wrap it up. This was again hard to sit through.
Shawn Michaels vs. Rey Mysterio
This should be awesome as well. This is the older version of Reys song which is kind of weird to hear now. The new one is way better. Of course they speed things WAY up and neither guy can get an advantage. Coach talks about how tonight the titles and rivalries and brands have been put aside which for once isnt cheesy as this stuff really does come off as they want to perform in Eddies name which is cool to see.
Joey makes a good point: how often do you see Shawn as the bigger and slower guy in a match? Shawn catapults Rey over the top but he hangs on and gets a springboard seated senton for two which Joey calls a Thesz Press for some reason. Shawn avoids a pair of 619s but gets caught with a Pescado as we take a break.
Back with Shawn holding a sleeper. We see a clip of him hitting a spinning neckbreaker during the break. I always like when guys break out random basic moves like those. Its not like everyone knows five moves and thats it. Hell even Cena knows six. Shawn controls for the most part here which is weird to see. Shawn beats on him a bit and works Reys back.
Rey speeds things up a bit and kicks Shawn in the legs and gets some dropkicks for two. Shawn hits the flying forearm and both guys are down. Coach predicts a nip up. Hey what do you know as he was right. 619 is avoided and a clothesline gets two for Shawn. He liked it I guess so he hits another and Rey is down again. The elbow hits but the Chin Music does not. In a VERY surprising twist, Rey gets a headscissors, hits the 619 and drops the dime on Shawn for the clean pin. WOW.
Rating: B-. Keep in mind that Rey wasnt a world champion guy at this point so this would be like Kingston pinning Edge clean. It would be a huge win for him which wouldnt be remembered soon after this due to it being a special night. Still though, this would be a good match either way and the whole thing worked. Something similar would happen the next night as Chavo beat JBL which there wasnt a thing wrong with at all.
Batista talks about Eddie helping him through a lot of problems including some personal problems. Eddie was in a lot of pain but would go out there every night for the fans and entertain them as well as he could.
Another Eddie video to Hurt which might be the same one from earlier. Yeah its the same one.
Diva Battle Royal
Ashley, Maria, Christy, Victoria, Melina, Jillian Hall, Mickie James, Candace Michelle, Trish Stratus
Mickie was still psycho at this point and didnt have her usual personality here. Trish is Womens Champion here and theyre all in Eddie shirts. All the shirts come off at once in one of the best parts of the night. Everyone pairs off except for I think thats Maria. Sweet goodness how hot was Christy?
Mickie gets a sweet headscissors to show off her sweeter thong but goes out as a result. As does Jillian. Maria is kind of standing off to the side and stealing shots when she can. Ashley goes out by Victoria and Candace. Victoria and Melina try to take out Trish but runs into the Matrish which is awesome. Candace punches Christy to the floor.
Were down to Victoria, Trish, Maria, Melina and Candace. Trish gets the headscissors to put Candace out. Maria sneaks up on Victoria to put her out. Shes the ditzy chick here so this is surprising. Melina and Trish look at her and throw her out with ease. Stratusfaction is blocked and Melina shoves her out for the surprising win.
Rating: C. Hard to grade again but the girls were rather hot and this was the only storyline thing they did all night which I can certainly live with. They were trying to find someone for Trish to feud with while Mickie got ready so there wasnt much going on here at all. Hot girls though so no complaints on that end.
Rey talks about missing Eddie as he is clearly not sure what to say at first but it starts coming out. His is clipped a bit also as theres also the possibility that they said something personal that they dont want airing on national TV. Totally understandable if thats the case. He stops talking for awhile and says that everyone is going to miss Eddie and his presence. Rey has to keep pausing during this as he cant keep talking.
We see one of Eddies biggest moments as he and Benoit hugged with both of them as world champions to end Wrestlemania 20. That was a huge moment in retrospect as the smaller and less marketable stars were at the top of the company and were completely accepted as the top guys on the roster. Really an amazing moments and the peaks of both of their careers.
Simon Dean vs. Eugene
Dean is the fitness guy played by Nova. This is a comedy match if you didnt get that. They get in a pushup contest and Eugene does his JYD headbutts. Back in the ring after a brief skirmish on the floor. Dean hits a chinlock and Eugene Hulks Up and hits an Airplane Spin. Dean accidently slingshots himself into the buckle with his stretch bands and a Rock Bottom ends this. No rating but this was rather funny at times and you cant complain for a second about a match like this on a show like this.
Chris Benoit talks and this is the big one here for the most part as these two were more or less inseparable throughout their mainstream careers. Benoit talks about being able to pour his heart out to Eddie and get help whenever he needed it from him. Benoit talks directly to Eddie and breaks down in tears that are bordering on wailing. The emotion here is real as allegedly the diaries found at Benoits murder scene were filled with writing about how he missed Eddie so much. Its so .so ..Im not sure what the right word is to think that you might have just seen the moment that sent Benoit beyond the point of return.
HHH talks about how great Eddie was in the ring and how great of a performer he was. He talks about how Eddie overcame his demons and beat every single one of them which from what Ive heard was completely true and that he had been clean and sober for four years when he passed away which is a very good thing to hear.
Ric Flair vs. William Regal
Flair is the Intercontinental Champion here but this is of course non-title. This is a very old school style match with Flair hooking an abdominal stretch and cheating. This is less of a match and more of a how to have a Ric Flair match. Regal unlaces Flairs boot which is a new one for me I think. Regal hammers away for a bit and sends Flair to the floor. And never mind as Flair gets some chops and goes for the knee as the Figure Four ends it with relative ease. No rating here as it was little more than a long practice for Flair.
Stephanie talks about first meeting Eddie when Eddie was thinking about making the jump to WWF. Eddie was apparently very humble which is a recurring line tonight. She talks about talking to Eddie on Friday where he talked about winning the title again. Allegedly, and Ive never heard this confirmed for sure, Eddie was supposed to win the title on the upcoming Smackdown as Batista was injured. Supposedly Stephanie confirmed that here but I didnt hear that from her here.
We get some more Eddie stuff including him accidently winning the IC Title (in Lexington) which was one of the oddest title changes ever but it worked perfectly in a weird wrestling way.
John Cena vs. Randy Orton
Cena is world champion. Orton actually wears his own shirt here which is a first tonight I think. Cena wrestles in the shirt which is a nice little touch. Since there is zero point to this being a real match its an extended highlight reel from these two. It doesnt even break four minutes as Cena cranks things up and then Bob Orton runs in for the DQ to break up the FU. No rating again as about ¼ was chinlock. Cena gets the FU anyway. In a classy move Cena takes off his shirt and leaves it and the title on the mat to end the show.
Overall Rating: A. This was a damn fine show tribute aside. There were some very good matches, but again thats not something that mattered here. This was about a show in memory of a great wrestler that suddenly passed away. I do have issues with Eddies death as it was brought on by years of substance abuse, but the fact that he got clean means a lot and is a great story indeed.
This was a very good show, but again its hard to sit through until I just rammed through it one night. It got to me, which isnt something that happens often. The wrestling was good and having the comedy match on there was a nice touch as comedy was a big part of Eddies style at various times. He was indeed great and this was a very well done tribute to him as it felt genuine rather than something thrown together. Well done and a very good show, but I wouldnt recommend watching it unless you can take some hard emotions along with it.
Date: November 14, 2005
Location: Target Center, Minneapolis, Minnesota
Attendance: 6,000
Commentators: Jonathan Coachman, Jerry Lawler, Joey Styles
This is the Eddie Guerrero Tribute Show. Eddie passed away I think the previous day in his hotel room, making this obviously not a normal show. Its an often requested show so I more or less had to do it at some point. The matches mean nothing of course and its not like the guys heads are on straight. Ive heard its good, so lets get to it.
Before I get started, I probably should give my thoughts on Eddie as a whole. I never was huge on him. I think hes a great wrestler and had exceptional talent, but he wasnt the guy that I saw as this legend that so many people claim him to be. It also strikes me as very ironic that after he passed away he was all of a sudden this tragic figure that was so inspirational to everyone, despite no one seeming to say that while he was alive.
I do not like the way his legacy was exploited in storylines later. I stand by what I say that Eddie Guerrero won the 06 Rumble and beat Orton and Angle in the world title match at Wrestlemania. Rey got his push off the back of Eddie and I cant stand that at all. Im not saying it was Reys fault, but Ive never been able to stand the push that he got as well as the constant referencing Eddie when he has nothing to do with the stories. Anyway in short hes a great wrestler, but not one of the greats. Lets get to it.
We open with the entire roster standing on the stage to a big Eddie chant. Vince stands in front of them and says that he passed away so tonight were going to celebrate his life and career. Everyone is clearly sad but theyre not as shaken up as they probably had been before. Vince asks everyone to stand in silence as they ring the bell ten times which is kind of hard to watch.
Theres a video tribute to Eddie, set to Johnny Cashs Hurt. Good stuff. Back in the arena Vince says Viva La Raza. BIG Thank You Eddie chant.
We begin the sitting down tributes from the guys, the first being Cena. He talks about how passionate Eddie was and how he mentored Cena as he started here.
First clip is Eddie spraying Big Show with sewage on Smackdown.
Big Show/Kane vs. MNM
The difference in Shows weight then as compared to now is striking. He is FAT here. Hes still big today but he doesnt look like hes retaining water. I probably shouldnt notice this here but Lillian is smoking in that little black dress. Both teams are tag champions on their respective shows with Show/Kane being on Raw. Show vs. Nitro starts us off and we unleash the chops.
Kane goes up for the clothesline but the two Ms take care of the big friend freak and Nitro gets a shot in to Kane with a belt to get two. MNM cant suplex Kane so he throws them around instead. Off to Show and the beating begins again. Show massacres them as Melina gets up on the apron. She gets a kiss and Mercury gets the Kane clothesline. Double chokeslam ENDS Nitro for the pin.
Rating: C-. If I didnt mention this before, the ratings here arent ones that should be taken seriously. The guys arent really thinking clearly probably and the matches arent going to mean anything in the long run. MNM would get better but their successors, Miz and Morrison would work better. This was ok for a semi-squash though.
Lillian tells a story about being in Eddies group in Iraq last year. She speaks some Spanish, saying shell see him again someday.
We get a clip of Eddie talking about auctioning off a bunch of Kurts stuff which is similar to the way Cryme Tyme would sell stuff off. Funny bit.
Shelton Benjamin vs. Kurt Angle
This works. Angle is in the black tonight so you can tell hes being serious. Angle takes a quick knee to pray a bit before we start. Angle takes him to the mat almost immediately so Shelton starts using the ropes to his advantage and we have a standoff. I love watching Angle hit belly to bellies. Angle gets a chinlock and calls some spots a bit too loudly.
Benjamin counters a suplex and hooks a DDT to put both guys down. Its so odd to hear Joey talking about Kurt Angle for some reason. We crank it up a bit but Shelton breaks out a Samoan Drop of all things but he cant get the T-Bone. Dragon Whip works instead for a close two. Running corner suplex is blocked and Benjamin gets a HUGE clothesline off the top for two.
Angle is like bitch Im Kurt Angle and busts out the Germans and the Angle Slam for only two of course. Shelton blocks a moonsault and hits a release German off the top! SICK bump there. Somehow it only gets two and as Shelton complains about the count Angle grabs the ankle and gets the grapevine. Since Shelton isnt the Undertaker, that ends this solid match.
Rating: B-. I really liked this actually. Shelton was the MAN in 2005, more than holding his own by just showing off how awesome he was against far better wrestlers than himself. This was another good match where his inexperience caught up with him but was still pretty freaking sweet. Good match and a lot of fun on a hard show to get through.
I wasnt kidding on the hard to get through part as this has taken me nearly two days to get this far. Angle holds up the armband with EG on it and is having trouble holding it together.
Shawn talks about how he never wrestled Eddie but has a connection with Eddie as both men were born again Christians. Good little speech here and rather touching. Unless youre Gregory Helms I guess.
Clips from the Lie Cheat and Steal vignettes which were absolutely hilarious and were actually the parts of Smackdown I was looking forward to most for a few months. Its so weird to see Vickie as a decent looking woman with red/blonde hair.
Chavo does what is probably the hardest talk of his life as he talks about growing up with Eddie as a brother rather than as his uncle. They were only three years apart so they grew up more or less as brothers. We get a cool story of them wrestling in Chavo Sr.s promotion in El Paso when they were kids. This is clipped as Id definitely assume he talked about this for a long time and you know they wouldnt tell him to wrap it up. This was again hard to sit through.
Shawn Michaels vs. Rey Mysterio
This should be awesome as well. This is the older version of Reys song which is kind of weird to hear now. The new one is way better. Of course they speed things WAY up and neither guy can get an advantage. Coach talks about how tonight the titles and rivalries and brands have been put aside which for once isnt cheesy as this stuff really does come off as they want to perform in Eddies name which is cool to see.
Joey makes a good point: how often do you see Shawn as the bigger and slower guy in a match? Shawn catapults Rey over the top but he hangs on and gets a springboard seated senton for two which Joey calls a Thesz Press for some reason. Shawn avoids a pair of 619s but gets caught with a Pescado as we take a break.
Back with Shawn holding a sleeper. We see a clip of him hitting a spinning neckbreaker during the break. I always like when guys break out random basic moves like those. Its not like everyone knows five moves and thats it. Hell even Cena knows six. Shawn controls for the most part here which is weird to see. Shawn beats on him a bit and works Reys back.
Rey speeds things up a bit and kicks Shawn in the legs and gets some dropkicks for two. Shawn hits the flying forearm and both guys are down. Coach predicts a nip up. Hey what do you know as he was right. 619 is avoided and a clothesline gets two for Shawn. He liked it I guess so he hits another and Rey is down again. The elbow hits but the Chin Music does not. In a VERY surprising twist, Rey gets a headscissors, hits the 619 and drops the dime on Shawn for the clean pin. WOW.
Rating: B-. Keep in mind that Rey wasnt a world champion guy at this point so this would be like Kingston pinning Edge clean. It would be a huge win for him which wouldnt be remembered soon after this due to it being a special night. Still though, this would be a good match either way and the whole thing worked. Something similar would happen the next night as Chavo beat JBL which there wasnt a thing wrong with at all.
Batista talks about Eddie helping him through a lot of problems including some personal problems. Eddie was in a lot of pain but would go out there every night for the fans and entertain them as well as he could.
Another Eddie video to Hurt which might be the same one from earlier. Yeah its the same one.
Diva Battle Royal
Ashley, Maria, Christy, Victoria, Melina, Jillian Hall, Mickie James, Candace Michelle, Trish Stratus
Mickie was still psycho at this point and didnt have her usual personality here. Trish is Womens Champion here and theyre all in Eddie shirts. All the shirts come off at once in one of the best parts of the night. Everyone pairs off except for I think thats Maria. Sweet goodness how hot was Christy?
Mickie gets a sweet headscissors to show off her sweeter thong but goes out as a result. As does Jillian. Maria is kind of standing off to the side and stealing shots when she can. Ashley goes out by Victoria and Candace. Victoria and Melina try to take out Trish but runs into the Matrish which is awesome. Candace punches Christy to the floor.
Were down to Victoria, Trish, Maria, Melina and Candace. Trish gets the headscissors to put Candace out. Maria sneaks up on Victoria to put her out. Shes the ditzy chick here so this is surprising. Melina and Trish look at her and throw her out with ease. Stratusfaction is blocked and Melina shoves her out for the surprising win.
Rating: C. Hard to grade again but the girls were rather hot and this was the only storyline thing they did all night which I can certainly live with. They were trying to find someone for Trish to feud with while Mickie got ready so there wasnt much going on here at all. Hot girls though so no complaints on that end.
Rey talks about missing Eddie as he is clearly not sure what to say at first but it starts coming out. His is clipped a bit also as theres also the possibility that they said something personal that they dont want airing on national TV. Totally understandable if thats the case. He stops talking for awhile and says that everyone is going to miss Eddie and his presence. Rey has to keep pausing during this as he cant keep talking.
We see one of Eddies biggest moments as he and Benoit hugged with both of them as world champions to end Wrestlemania 20. That was a huge moment in retrospect as the smaller and less marketable stars were at the top of the company and were completely accepted as the top guys on the roster. Really an amazing moments and the peaks of both of their careers.
Simon Dean vs. Eugene
Dean is the fitness guy played by Nova. This is a comedy match if you didnt get that. They get in a pushup contest and Eugene does his JYD headbutts. Back in the ring after a brief skirmish on the floor. Dean hits a chinlock and Eugene Hulks Up and hits an Airplane Spin. Dean accidently slingshots himself into the buckle with his stretch bands and a Rock Bottom ends this. No rating but this was rather funny at times and you cant complain for a second about a match like this on a show like this.
Chris Benoit talks and this is the big one here for the most part as these two were more or less inseparable throughout their mainstream careers. Benoit talks about being able to pour his heart out to Eddie and get help whenever he needed it from him. Benoit talks directly to Eddie and breaks down in tears that are bordering on wailing. The emotion here is real as allegedly the diaries found at Benoits murder scene were filled with writing about how he missed Eddie so much. Its so .so ..Im not sure what the right word is to think that you might have just seen the moment that sent Benoit beyond the point of return.
HHH talks about how great Eddie was in the ring and how great of a performer he was. He talks about how Eddie overcame his demons and beat every single one of them which from what Ive heard was completely true and that he had been clean and sober for four years when he passed away which is a very good thing to hear.
Ric Flair vs. William Regal
Flair is the Intercontinental Champion here but this is of course non-title. This is a very old school style match with Flair hooking an abdominal stretch and cheating. This is less of a match and more of a how to have a Ric Flair match. Regal unlaces Flairs boot which is a new one for me I think. Regal hammers away for a bit and sends Flair to the floor. And never mind as Flair gets some chops and goes for the knee as the Figure Four ends it with relative ease. No rating here as it was little more than a long practice for Flair.
Stephanie talks about first meeting Eddie when Eddie was thinking about making the jump to WWF. Eddie was apparently very humble which is a recurring line tonight. She talks about talking to Eddie on Friday where he talked about winning the title again. Allegedly, and Ive never heard this confirmed for sure, Eddie was supposed to win the title on the upcoming Smackdown as Batista was injured. Supposedly Stephanie confirmed that here but I didnt hear that from her here.
We get some more Eddie stuff including him accidently winning the IC Title (in Lexington) which was one of the oddest title changes ever but it worked perfectly in a weird wrestling way.
John Cena vs. Randy Orton
Cena is world champion. Orton actually wears his own shirt here which is a first tonight I think. Cena wrestles in the shirt which is a nice little touch. Since there is zero point to this being a real match its an extended highlight reel from these two. It doesnt even break four minutes as Cena cranks things up and then Bob Orton runs in for the DQ to break up the FU. No rating again as about ¼ was chinlock. Cena gets the FU anyway. In a classy move Cena takes off his shirt and leaves it and the title on the mat to end the show.
Overall Rating: A. This was a damn fine show tribute aside. There were some very good matches, but again thats not something that mattered here. This was about a show in memory of a great wrestler that suddenly passed away. I do have issues with Eddies death as it was brought on by years of substance abuse, but the fact that he got clean means a lot and is a great story indeed.
This was a very good show, but again its hard to sit through until I just rammed through it one night. It got to me, which isnt something that happens often. The wrestling was good and having the comedy match on there was a nice touch as comedy was a big part of Eddies style at various times. He was indeed great and this was a very well done tribute to him as it felt genuine rather than something thrown together. Well done and a very good show, but I wouldnt recommend watching it unless you can take some hard emotions along with it.