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So much of the focus around this company is centered around the mistakes they've made, the mistakes they continue to make, the reports of their inability to pay various employees on time, their "inability" to make their own stars, their television contract, etc. It's a cavalcade of negative, plenty of which has legs to stand on, and plenty of which is rightful criticism. But lost in the years of negative press is actually a lot of good. Especially today.

Last night's IMPACT was, I thought, one of the better episodes of 2016 thus far (sans the Hardy/Sweeney Todd bad daytime soap opera nonsense), and one of the better episodes in the POP era in general. The character development and story-telling going on in a lot of the feuds is just good wrestling television, and it also featured the debut/introduction of three new characters, all of whom show tremendous potential. Among them are The Tribunal (formerly the Legionairres in NXT), composed of Baron Dax and Basile Baraka (fantastic ring names, might I add). Baraka alone looks like a future super star and someone who can probably be the top heel in the promotion with enough work put in to establish him (think EC3). Dax is more muscle, but who knows… maybe there's more to unearth there going forward? They also introduced a budding baby face in Braxton Sutter (formerly Pepper Parks), the real-life boyfriend of Allie (Cherry Bomb), who herself is a great addition to the Knockouts, and a really fresh, fun new face to see in a division that had been orbiting around the same group of around eight girls for the last four-to-six years. I liked Parks for a while now, but his little 90-second sit-down intro really sold this new character for me. You can check it out below:

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But beyond these new-comers, there's the Decay — a tag team stable that I doubt anyone could have predicted this level of success for. With a completely re-invented Abyss who is actually, shockingly, must-see TV again for the first time in years. Crazy Steve just went from annoying clown-horn-honking jobber to interesting character, essentially overnight. Rosemary is the least interesting of all three, but gives them a female component that lends to their heel nature with her running interference and still doing the talking for the group when Abyss isn't.

There's Eli Drake who is almost single-handedly reinventing and making the mid-card matter again. Arguably the best talker in the company. Another future top heel.

Maria and Mike Bennett are doing their thing. Maria has the Knockouts interesting again without even having wrestled a single match yet. She's talked her way to the top and has Gail Kim chasing her in Kim's most interesting feud since Taryn Terrell (the first match). Bennett is doing wonderful work with EC3, simultaneously getting himself over and keeping EC3's face status (which always feels tenuous) in tact. They even managed to pull off some great wrestling comedy last night with EC3 "running" the show and having Bennett forced to clean toilets (much better this time around than the last time when Bischoff and Hogan had Jarrett doing it).

Zema Ion seems to be getting another push. Eddie Edwards also seems to be getting a spotlight in the X Division while Davey Richards heals up. Oh, and the Helms Dynasty (silly name) is showcasing two wonderful future X Division stars in Andrew Everett and Trevor Lee. Maybe the X Division can be revived after all?

Beyond this there's a pretty funny Bro Mans reunion going on through new-comer Raquel (though I can understand if that's not your cup of tea — they're hit or miss), Bobby Lashley is doing his thing as a dominant, cocky, physical heel, and while they're floating in a non Hardy-related island right now, even Spud and Tyrus aren't a total waste of your time. They're something of an odd couple tag team at the moment.

I get that the brand is really damaged and that the reputation is entirely untrustworthy. I really do. Because I'm someone who feels the exact same way about WWE for similar reasons. Even when my closest friends are explaining these wonderful feuds and new faces, talking up the rise of AJ Styles and Kevin Owens, I'm still skeptical, arms crossed with a sour puss face waiting for the Miz to come out and ruin it all (and he has uncanny timing in doing exactly this seemingly every time I turn WWE programming on). But through it all, I really do think, objectively speaking, there's a lot right here that isn't being given the opportunity to impress because all the wrong done in the past is completely clouding the water and preventing a lot of people from even entertaining the idea of watching TNA again. And they have no one to blame for that but themselves. This is a situation of the boy who cried wolf. The bridges have been burned beyond repair and few seem willing to give it another chance. I can't blame them for feeling that way, even if I feel like the product they're producing right now is worth their time.

I can't sit here and tell you you should watch. I'm a hypocrite, because I'm using the same excuse for not watching WWE despite so many reasons to. But I will say that maybe… maybe… you might just want to entertain the idea. At the very least, even if this is lost on everyone for reasons I would completely understand, it's promising to see given the nature of TNA's existence right now. While it could all be too little too late, it's nice to see this roster refresh and the focus being put back on the things that really helped establish TNA's identity all those years ago. Given the right amount of time, I honestly feel there's a resurgence to be had here.
 
The problem with TNA is their uncanny ability to deliver compelling, must see TV for a period of time and then in the blink of an eye, they manage to fuck it all up.

Their history shows this.

You may feel like they are in the midst of a possible resurgence but just wait. I am sure disappointment is right around the corner.

Don't worry though, as a fan of WWE and TNA, I will be right there with you watching.
 
I would love to discuss what is good with TNA. But myself... like 99% of the country... have no clue what Destination America is. Have no clue how to obtain it. Have no clue when TNA is on because it's changed so many times in the last 5 years. TNA from about 2006-2009 was amazing. It was better than WWE. Yes. It was better. So that's what TNA did well. They did great television and PPVs 10 years ago. Then Hogan got there. And that's where it ended. Since TNA left Spike... I can't even watch it. I wish I could offer more here. But TNA does have a history of just monumentally screwing everything up.

But what I can offer is TNA's move back to the 6-sided ring. It defines them as an alternative. I dig it.
 
Wrestlers that make me watch TNA nowadays:

Ethan Carter III: TNA made a star out of a comedy jobber. That really shows what TNA could do if it focusses on young talented wrestler.

Drew Galloway: I love this guy since he was Drew McIntyre in WWE. He has a great look and is good at in-ring work too. A deserving world champion.

Sienna: Never liked The Beautiful People or The Dollhouse. This lady made me invest in the Knockouts division.

I have also started watching the X Division. This division has a lot of potential. Trevor, Everett, Eddie and Zema are good enough and Konley & Sutter are gonna make it more interesting.

The tag division is dull now. The Decay and The Bromans are the only viable tag teams.

About other wrestlers, I have always loved Jesse Godderz. Never liked Robbie E though. Al Snow isn't good to watch either.

Just sign Sandow, Rhodes & Barrett and I am gonna love it more and more.
 
Something about Miz: I don't get why you hate him so much. I agree that he isn't great at in-ring work like Cesaro or Owens but he is surely a good in-ring worker atleast. His mic-skills are damn good and he has the ability to make a silent crowd boo him with his promo skills. He can easily get heel heat. Yeah, he is an annoying guy but isn't a sneaky cowardly heel supposed to annoy you?

If he would annoy you, then only you would be interested in some face beating the hell out of him.

I suggest you to watch WWE InterContinental Fatal Four Way match at Extreme Rules which consists of Miz, Cesaro, Owens and Zayn. It was a damn good match in which every guy was put over and each guy's credibility was enhanced.
 
I would love to discuss what is good with TNA. But myself... like 99% of the country... have no clue what Destination America is. Have no clue how to obtain it. Have no clue when TNA is on because it's changed so many times in the last 5 years. TNA from about 2006-2009 was amazing. It was better than WWE. Yes. It was better. So that's what TNA did well. They did great television and PPVs 10 years ago. Then Hogan got there. And that's where it ended. Since TNA left Spike... I can't even watch it. I wish I could offer more here. But TNA does have a history of just monumentally screwing everything up.

But what I can offer is TNA's move back to the 6-sided ring. It defines them as an alternative. I dig it.

You might can watch it. It is on POP TV and they were putting the episodes online, but haven't done that in a bit. Last one was from March. Disappointing because that is how I watched it since I don't get POP.
 
1. Abyss was doing nothing to note for some time and Crazzy Steve was nothing more than a jobber that doesn't have much of a move set, so I would say creating The Decay has been a good move by TNA.

2. Eli Drake. I wasn't sure what to think of Eli Drake when he first debuted with Micah & Galloway. He's still a bit 'green' in the ring but he can improve, but TNA has given him his own little segment and time on the mic and we can see how they are building him.

3. ECIII. TNA basically made a rookie the quarterback of the company, gave him the ball and told him to run with it. I prefer ECIII as a heel but this current run keeps him fresh with feuds against heels, even with defeat they haven't buried him and he deserves any glory he gets.

4. Rebuilding the divisions. We're finally seeing some depth in the divisions which can only be a good thing.
 
TNA are taking massive steps in the right direction adding more depths to the Knockouts (Sienna, Rosemary, Maria, Allie and Raquel), Xdivision (Trevor Lee, Andrew Everett), tag team (The Tribunal, Tyrus and Spud, Shera and Grado, Decay) and Heavyweight (Mike Bennett, Braxton Sutter). The product is not what it once was but is better than it has been for at least 5 years.
 
Something about Miz: I don't get why you hate him so much. I agree that he isn't great at in-ring work like Cesaro or Owens but he is surely a good in-ring worker atleast. His mic-skills are damn good and he has the ability to make a silent crowd boo him with his promo skills. He can easily get heel heat. Yeah, he is an annoying guy but isn't a sneaky cowardly heel supposed to annoy you?

If he would annoy you, then only you would be interested in some face beating the hell out of him.

I suggest you to watch WWE InterContinental Fatal Four Way match at Extreme Rules which consists of Miz, Cesaro, Owens and Zayn. It was a damn good match in which every guy was put over and each guy's credibility was enhanced.

Has nothing to do with this thread, but quick sidebar — because he's fucking terrible and is a poster boy for everything I dislike about WWE, right down to the stupid outfits he wore for years, his AWWWWWful catch phrases, his shitty mall rock entrance music, his stupid, ugly fucking facial expressions (he's like the male version of duck face) and his terrible name. There's literally nothing about him that is redeeming. He's poison. Cancer. I heard that match was amazing, and I was completely sold on it by a friend... and then he said "Miz" and all the fun was just sucked out of the conversation like a supermassive black hole just opening right next to our chat.

Imagine you and a friend are talking and he/she is telling you about this amazing group of women (or men) who are just so hot. He/she is just talking them up, explaining all these wonderful features they have, how great their bodies look, how sexy their voices sound, how great they smell, and even how sexually open they are. You're just roaring to go. And then he says "oh, but one of them has full blown AIDS".

Still wanna fuck? That's what the Miz does to me. Takes otherwise incredible opportunities and just destroys them beyond repair.

He screams generic "WWE" to me. That silly Donald Trump spray-tan, his mannerisms, the "model" look. He's everything I hate about what WWE did to pro wrestling.

I mean, for fucks sake, you're defending a guy who not too long ago had a partially dyed faux hawk, wore a bedazzled fedora (with a fucking ying-yang on it), a bandana beneath said fedora, a studded belt, fingerless gloves, and studded shorts with like new era tribal designs on them. He's like a culturally lost teenage douche bag who thinks that appropriating every culture he's ever come across makes him deep.

Long story short, why do I hate The Miz? Because he's a massive tool.

But beyond him, there's been a running list of around half a dozen guys, most just like Miz, who almost single-handedly made me stop watching — Big Show, Ryback, Heath Slater, Zack Ryder, and pretty much everyone who was ever in Nexus just killed it for me.
 
First, the biggest problem with TNA is these rumors of financial troubles. If the financial situation gets fixed, then i think TNA is a company that is having ALOT of good. the only problems that i see right now is lack of Knockouts (women) and lack of Tag Teams, but the Tag Team Division can improve with the creation of more teams and more signings to TNA. The X-Division is showing some growth with Lee as champion and the injury to Richards helping more Eddie Edwards to feud with Lee. with that said, the X-Division could use some help. the King of the Mountain Championship has been gaining a bit more of steam lately, hopefully that championship can be built up by the new champion Eli Drake.

the best thing about TNA though is the main event scene. i consider both Hardys (Matt and Jeff), Mike Bennett, EC3, Drew Galloway and Lashley as the main eventers and they are doing the best work. the Bennett and EC3 feud has been amazing and the re-match should be great. Matt Hardy is doing his best work currently and finally the Galloway and Lashley match has real fight feel. So basically the best thing going for TNA is the main event picture. anyone of those 6 guys are deserving of being the TNA Champion.
 
Personally, if you take the crap that his the whole hardy feud, they actually got a good product going sometimes. The biggest problem is that they can't produce compelling tv every week that makes you want to see the next episode or buy the PPV.

Let take this week episode for example, you're three big match for slammiversary are EC3 vs Benett, Jeff VS Matt Hardy and drew Galloway vs Lashley. So the focus should be on these three main match and they should be doing compelling storyline to make you want to see these matches on PPV, but at less for 2 of those 3 matches, it didn'T happen. The pretty much use a recycle angle they did a couples of years ago of having EC3 in charge and he makes Bennett do odd job and finally he get his match against benett at the ppv which is the same thing they use a couple of years back in the Jeff Jarett/kurt angle feud and it wasn'T that interesting either back then. So that make the match luck warm and uninteresting

Then you got the whole jeff hardy vs matt hardy fiasco. How in the hell are you going to create interest for this match when you show videos that look like it was filmed in wcw circa early 90'S. I was waiting for cheatum the dwarf to come out and set up a bomb on jeff hardy motocycle or something. They even release the directOR'S cut of this on youtube and if you read the comments section, they are the laughing stock of the wrestling community and you are telling me that this video will create so much interest that fans will want to see this match on ppv? i don'T think so.

The positive in tna is that they have a really good rosters that pretty much want to bust their ass to help the company grow. The negative is that the creative them backstage suck, dixie let's to much freedom to the main event star to come up with their own angle (matt hardy contract signing video) and that what is bringing the company down. Dixie need to get over her own ego and give a chance to somebody new to control the company. Sell the majority stake of the company to somebody that might have a different approach to this. her way doesn't work and it didn'T work for a long time now so if she really want this company to grow, she would step aside and give somebody else a chance because dixie is the cancer in tna.
 
TNA has some good talent but right now they are just another indie Vince can look over for talent. The creative work of Dixie and her crew kills everything. I don't know what level of wrestling Dixie is looking to go against because her show is not Freddy for prime time players. They need to bring in known names while they're working with the younger guys and women to try for a bigger draw. You have a great wrestler in Jeff Hardy if you get past the injuries and the drugs. Now pick a number 2?
 
The good: Michael Bennett, ECIII, Galloway, Lashley, Jeff Hardy, Eii Drake, Eddie Edwards, Sienna, and Jade. All are legit and enjoyable to watch. I think Jade is the next big thing in women's wrestling and will be everything that Sasha Banks was supposed to be.

Just waiting for Matt Taven, Moose, and Red Dragon to come on down! The only WWE reject worth signing is Wade Barrett.
 
What's good with TNA at the moment? They are doing the basics. They're establishing new stars, they have tweaked some of the staler talent to make them more interesting and they are currently utilising the established guys to sell the product.

If they can maintain this approach and retain the support of their network; who knows - this might actually be a proper dawn.
 
The good:

Drew Galloway: Very good in ring skills for such a tall person! Great look and presence.

EC3: Plays the heel very well, and his evolve debut was good stuff.

Lashley: MMA monster Alert!

The miracle: Sounds a bit like CM Punk...can only be a good thing right?

Eli Drake: Decent on the mic.

Jeff Hardy: Big fan and is quite unique.

Decay: Strangeness quality about them.

Sienna: Decent KO

Grado: I'll probably get slated for this but when he was in ring and started to lose his breath I kind of chuckled a little bit... so I guess there is room for "some" comedy.
 
I'm kinda obligated to open my yap here, since I spend so much time documenting TNA's business position that I should speak up on the good things TNA has going on. I'm a little behind the curve on this thread, mostly because I didn't want to do it in a snarky manner.

TNA has built themselves a decent core of "TNA guys"; performers who didn't come from ROH or the WWE, who are recognizable as TNA products. The top of their card is no longer reliably "former ROH guy vs. former WWE guy", and if TNA can make it through the multiple pressures on their business model over the next couple of years, they're going to emerge from their time in the woods with performers who have built up audience credibility. Guys like Eli Drake, who often get the 'who' treatment from people who aren't watching TNA, are going to get serious second looks from people after they've been around for a while and haven't disappeared.

Here's another positive people might be surprised to hear coming from me- TNA, the business entity, isn't the one causing most of their problems today. Yes, TNA is in their current position as the result of a variety of previously cataloged mistakes, but if TNA does end up going by the wayside, it won't be as a result of anything the company did in 2016. TNA is playing a very poor hand as well as it can; their biggest danger is no longer a revenue/expenses issue, but the ongoing changes in how the cable television market is structured.
 
The only thing that sucks at the moment is that poop er POPTV can't telecast a live show worth a shit and any one who attempted to watch tonights show can verify this.
 
I'll chime in. I haven't watched TNA in ages but it's on right now in front of me. Decay is a decent little tag team. Abyss in a tag team is a good idea. Matt Hardy's new look and accent in this cage match promo is pretty funny, he looks like Will Ferrell from Zoolander. I'd get rid of....UGH...Josh Matthews and The Pope on commentary though, both are horrible.
 
Pope is fantastic. Best color guy they've had since heel Don West.

Matthews I couldn't care less about. I think he's an upgrade on Tenay, but just barely. A lot of his vocal inflections and mannerisms are just so, so, so WWE, which makes sense considering he effectively trained to call matches there.
 
Matthews I couldn't care less about. I think he's an upgrade on Tenay, but just barely. A lot of his vocal inflections and mannerisms are just so, so, so WWE, which makes sense considering he effectively trained to call matches there.

How could any TNA fan be okay with taking Matthews over Tenay? Tenay's voice is TNA to me. He's been there since day one, and when I think of TNA, I think of him and Don West. I didn't hate Josh in WWE, because his deliverance worked for that brand. For TNA though, he doesn't have the right voice for it. He sounds like a kid playing commentator. I'd rather them replace him with Jeremy Borash. I think him and The Pope would work great.

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Last night's episode of Impact was the first one I've seen all the way through in a long time. Partially because I forgot TNA was on Tuesdays now, another part was because I just have been working. But that aside, I have to say that things are looking good for TNA. I've kept up with the company via the WZ news and have been okay with what I read. I've known about Matt's weird heel transition, and to be honest I kind of like it. It's different and gives Matt some much needed depth to his character. I'm still not sold on Drew being in the main event picture. I love that Bobby Lashley has become a solid mic worker since being in TNA. When he was in WWE, he felt forced and rehearsed. But in TNA, he's really become something special. Also, him as champion will always work for me.

I'm not too sure what to think about this Doll House feud. Who's the heel? Both of them were breaking the rules last night, and it got really lame. But I still think that the Doll House are the two hottest women in wrestling. I'm sure they'll become better workers, just like Gail Kim did. Speaking of which, I'm absolutely okay with her being inducted into the TNA Hall of Fame. She has been the face of the division since day one, and as I just alluded to, she's really developed as a worker with TNA. Sure, she can't transition well at all in the WWE, but at least she's good enough for TNA and that's all that matters here.
 
Because Tenay was mailing it in the last three, maybe four years straight. His calls became monotonous bores. If he still had the same passion he had when he first got there, it'd be a different story, but I had no issue whatsoever with them moving on from him.
 
For me right now it's most things around the Women's Division (need a little bit more ring time though), Bobby Lashley, Drew Galloway, EC3, Rockstar Spud, The Decay and Rockstar Spud. The Wolves and Ion could be pretty good veterans for TNA along with James Storm, but there's not quite enough to them just yet. Wouldn't mind both the Hardys and Matt's family leaving the company after BFG, maybe try and sign a couple of fresher ex-WWE guys in their steads.
 
Personally, while I'm not a huge fan of dixie carter and she is putting her own ambition in front of what best for tna, I've got to say that I actually enjoyed the product a little more. The one thing that I think make this show a lot more enjoyable is that it's mostly casual ans that goes to these tapings which mean that the wrestlers gets a little bit more freedom of developing their characters. Mike benett is probably the bes heel that I seem this year. He does those little things that a heel should do and since they are casual fans they actually hate him for the right reason instead of cheering him because they respect him. I think that tna has found a way to make their product different from any other promotion by targeting the one audience that nobody seem to care about, the old school fans that miss the era when heels were heels and babyface were babyface and giving a product we're your no stuck hearing the smart fans take over the show with stupid chant. It's an old school product and it's refreshing to see his type of product in 2016.
 

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