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John Cena vs. The Rock Should be for the WWE title

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I remeber back in the day when Wrestlemania was booked correctly,one big main event which was for the title...one big match, one big prize! Today the logic seems to be that there should be a main event with stars who can draw which will sell the ppv and then the undercard should be filled with the World Title and WWE title matches. I miss the days when the main event was actually the main event...Going back to the first few Wrestlemania's we had Hulk vs Andre, Hulk vs Macho Man, Hulk vs Warrior. All of these matches were the main event and were for the title. Theres no way these events would have drew more if another match on the card was for the title and then these matches went after. These were the established guys that fought in the main event for the biggest prize. I feel this is a partial reason the title seems more devalued now than it was back then, its used more as a secondary attraction. We all know the main event this year is John cena vs The Rock, it should be for the title. My argument is that although Jericho vs Punk will be a great match, its only the third most anticipated on the card right now. The WWE seems to think it will draw more buys if they have the big match and then another match for the title. I disagree, I dont think Punk vs Jericho for the title brings in any additional buys if its a title match or not. They have barely even mention the title in the feud so far, they care more about proving who is "the best in the world."

Any thoughts on this?
 
Adding the WWE Championship to John Cena vs The Rock does not add anything whatsoever. This is a dream match people have been begging for years to finally happen. The match does not need it. It's two of the biggest stars in the history of pro wrestling going at it in a match we never thought we would see. Cena and Rock are already established future hall of famers. Besides the fact that:

1. The Rock is not and will never be a full time wrestler again, making it obvious that John Cena would win if the match were for the WWE championship.

2. The match wouldn't draw or feel anymore special if the WWE title were added.

Let Jericho and Punk, 2 guys who are nowhere near Cena or Rock's level of star power, have something added to their match to make it more special on a card where they are being overshadowed by HHH vs Taker in Hell In A Cell and Cena vs Rock.
 
John Cena and The Rock doesn't need the WWE Championship to be a success. It isn't about a belt, it shouldn't revolve around a belt, what would The Rock have to gain from fighting for the WWE Championship? How would the WWE Championship look being challenged for by a guy who has shown up four times in twelve months? It would make no sense whatsoever, because The Rock vs. John Cena is about two guys in prime, physical condition, from two seperate eras coming together to have a match on the biggest card in wrestling.

CM Punk holding the WWE Championship is a better situation due to the fact it strengthens his stature going into the event, as it will be heavily publicized. Placing the belt in a match other than The Rock vs. John Cena means we get two high profile matches instead of one high profile match and another middle match, if Cena brought the WWE Championship into 'Mania.

The Rock vs. John Cena doesn't need, never needed and afterwards nobody will ever say, it needed the WWE Championship belt to be something special. It isn't just a smart business move by WWE but it was the obvious one, it would have made the belt look cheap and would have added nothing to the event, case closed.
 
It's like getiing to the Superbowl and having the game not be for the Vince Lombardi Trophy. It doesn't make sense that a main event is not for the top prize the company has to offer. I understand that The Rock vs Cena does not need the title but it should be for the title. Historically it has been...Hulk vs Andre, HBK vs Bret, Austin vs Rock did not have to be for the title, but they all were. Theres no way any of these events would have drew more if an undercard match was for the title and back then these matches are what made the title important.
 
It's like getiing to the Superbowl and having the game not be for the Vince Lombardi Trophy. It doesn't make sense that a main event is not for the top prize the company has to offer. I understand that The Rock vs Cena does not need the title but it should be for the title. Historically it has been...Hulk vs Andre, HBK vs Bret, Austin vs Rock did not have to be for the title, but they all were. Theres no way any of these events would have drew more if an undercard match was for the title and back then these matches are what made the title important.

Last year the World Heavyweight Championship OPENED Wrestlemania. Was it the correct decision? No. But it was the beginning of the winds of change. This match is one of the biggest they could possibly have in wrestling, where is the fairness in saying, "Hey, seeing as its Wrestlemania lets just throw the belt on Cena because you can't have a Wrestlemania main event without it." Wouldn't be fair, wouldn't be needed and wouldn't make sense.

Sometimes you can look back on history and say it should be like this now, but the match is big enough by itself to both hold the Main Event slot and not need the WWE Championship. It's one year they're doing it, and It'll happen again somewhere down the line. It's a smart, logical move by WWE.
 
I think the title is better off in Punk/Jericho.

Their deal is who is really "the best in the world." If you think the title is devalued because it's not in the last match, how much more would it be devalued if you could be the best without it?

Was the WWE title devalued when the main event of Summerslam 92 was for the intercontinental title? No. The PPV value of the championship is determined by the program it's in and the competitor's vying for it, and I think it couldn't be in better hands.

Rock vs. Cena may be the "main event" but Punk vs. Jericho is the match I'm looking forward to the most.
 
So with your logic, the match between Hogan and Rock at WM 18 should have been for the title too? I realize it was in the middle of the card, but I had friends there and by their accounts it was obvious people were there to see THAT match. Alot of people left after the Hogan/Rock match.

I agree with the guys above that putting the title on the line in this match would make it way too predictable. If the plan is for Rock to win the match, then somehow the title would have to be dropped by him. So the only logical winner would be Cena. I realize alot of people predict Cena winning anyhow, but if you basically tell everyone that, no one will watch, and if they do they will boo through the entire match.

It's nothing like your Superbowl comparison, because wrestling is a unique entity. Basically with Taker's streak and 2 world title matches, there's usually atleast 3 main event matches. This year there will be 4 when you add Rock vs. Cena. This is not the first time a "special attraction" match has been on the WM card and could be considered the main event. Like I said Hogan/Rock at WM 18, Rock/Austin at WM 19, Goldberg/Lesnar at WM 20. Those are all examples of matches that were considered "main event" matches that didn't involve titles.

I'm glad it's not for the title, because that gives Punk and Jericho a great opportunity to steal the show. Or Sheamus and D-Bryan could do it as well. I do agree that the Cena/Rock match should NOT be last on the card and that the WWE title match should be. However, I don't see it happening that way just because they've put so much hype into Cena/Rock and it will be the match that most people pay to see.
 
I really think that it will not make a blind bit of difference if the WWE Title was involved with this. Why? First off, that match is already assigned for two more then deserving individuals in CM Punk & Chris Jericho.

2ndly, there has been so much talk lately of the WWE Championship being devalued in recent years including the WHC. Yes, The Rock is not even a part time performer with WWE but when I look at the 3 minute championship reigns in the last few years with certain wrestlers...how more devalued can it get? The Rock is a former WWE performer, a Legend in this business if he was to take the strap he would do a hell of a job putting someone over to take the strap from a former 7 time WWE Champion.

Only way I could see this working if the Rock & Cena were to work a Championship program is for Dwayne Johnson to be around actively in the ring for the time he does bring to WWE.
 
Splitting your draws up is a good idea.

You could of had The Rock win the WHC from Daniel Bryan in a via satelite match, and had Cena win the WWE belt, and then also consolidated the IC and US titles together to make it a 4 title winner takes all match, and such, because booking an entire WM around 1 single match means it'll get huge buys, right?

Right now, there is a chance that Rocky wins, putting the title into the picture already tells us who will win, because The Rock can't defend a world title from satelite at the filming of Tooth Fairy 2, the way it is, I could see a storyline developing around The Rock winning that makes sense, I can't justify seeing the belt on a twice a year sellout.
 
I just finished up watching the WWE Greatest Rivalries DVD that featured the Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels controversy and, apart from being an absolutely phenomenal piece, both guys talk a lot earlier on about the legacy of championship in the WWE. Bret is well known for being a honorable champion, and almost taking the prize "too seriously" by a few - indeed there are some who see it as nothing more than a prop to get a guy "over". But what really hit me was how in the late 80's to early 90's the Intercontinental championship was what Shawn referred to as the "workhorse's title", while the WWF Championship was awarded to only those the company felt could carry the proverbial "ball".

When guys like Bret and Shawn got the World title, it was a sign that management finally took somebody their size seriously enough to place the company on their shoulders. People would come to see a WWE Championship match - the belt just meant more to both the fans and the wrestlers who held it. In a lot of ways I think the CM Punk's and Chris Jericho's of the world understand that mindset, and that is why I truly believe they SHOULD be fighting over the WWE title at WrestleMania, rather than Rock and Cena.

There is one huge "draw" at WrestleMania, and it is the Rock vs John Cena in the final main event of the evening. They've built the event around it for over a year now, and no matter what happens that will (and rightfully should be) the all-important focus of the PPV. There's a chance that making the match for the WWE Championship would put more focus on the belt and help rebrand it as something that matters again - but there's also a greater chance it won't actually effect anything. As much as I hate to admit it, there are certain icons in wrestling that ARE above the championship belts. John Cena is one of them, the Rock is another. Guys like Hulk Hogan, Sting, Ric Flair, Steve Austin, and the Undertaker don't need to hold title belts for their matches to be a huge deal - they've effected the industry and its fans in such a way that their career and legacy is almost a championship in its own right. Much as I don't think Cena has reached the level of impact as some of those men listed (truly debatable, I know), I do think he's reached a level where a championship isn't necessary to face the Rock at WrestleMania.

Punk and Jericho are fighting over the title of "Best in the World". While Cena and (to a lesser extent) the Rock personify that golden age of huge (both in name and stature) wrestlers, ala Hogan, Andre, Warrior, etc., Jericho and Punk personify the age that came after it. An age of Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Mr. Perfect, and more that changed the way the industry works. Cena and Rock might bring glory to the WWE title by name along, because that match WILL be huge. But we're better off seeing two technical work-horses like Punk and Jericho feud over the WWE title - it's their breed who rebranded the belt years ago, and its likely their breed who will do it again.

Punk and Jericho is all about figuring out which wrestler is the true "best in the world". And whoever holds the WWE title, whoever walks away victorious in that match will have claim to both the figurative and the literal title. It makes sense, and in its own way I think it brings a lot more prestige to the belt than the alternative.

Rock and Cena is about the colliding of genres, decades, generations, and demographics. This isn't about the future of the company, who is carrying the ball, or anything like that. It's simply fan-service; giving back to the fans for their years of support for both competitor. Neither Rock nor Cena NEED to do this match. As the streamlined ratings have shown, the WWE as a company doesn't NEED to do this match. It's pure and simple fan service, and it's going to rake in a shit ton of money in the process.
 
To the OP = No.

Cena/Rock has no need for the WWE title to be involved. This match is hyped enough to stand on its own without any title at all. Did Rock/Hogan from WM18 need a title to make it big? No. Besides, we all know Rock isn't going to be around full time after WM28 which means putting the belt on Rock would be meaningless.
 
To the OP = No.

Cena/Rock has no need for the WWE title to be involved. This match is hyped enough to stand on its own without any title at all.

Cena/Rock doesn't need the title but it degrades the title when Jericho and Punk have and finish their match while everyone is more interested in getting to HHH/UT and Cena/Rock.

Did Rock/Hogan from WM18 need a title to make it big? No. Besides, we all know Rock isn't going to be around full time after WM28 which means putting the belt on Rock would be meaningless.

This isn't Rock/Hogan. Hogan was way past his prime. Rock is still over as a young viable contender.

Say what you want about Rock not being around after WM. Didn't we just have a guy win the WWE championship title and supposedly end his contract leaving the title in purgatory? An event like that creates a new story. As opposed to the story that we are going to get with Jericho and Punk having the obvious rematch at the next PPV.

Yeah, here's my $110 for the next two PPVs.
 
Seeing as how there's already an extensive thread on the Cena vs. Rock match in the WM 28 section and that there's no feesible way this match will be for the WWE Championship, this thread serves no purpose. It can easily be debated in the Cena vs. Rock thread, so I'm closing this.
 
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